| The end of gas? 21:23 - May 18 with 6862 views | Catullus |
I'm not against the idea, we need to do everything we can to protect the planet but blooming heck look at the expected prices,
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-57159056
£6000 to £18000.....it has to be very heavily subsidised because most of us juts couldn't afford it, surely! |  |
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| The end of gas? on 21:53 - May 18 with 2671 views | max936 |
Got a 10kw heat pump heating my Koi pond, expensive when there's no warm air about to draw in and it starts using electric, apparently its supposed to use 1.5kw of electric and give out 10kw, I'm calling foul on that one  |  |
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| The end of gas? on 21:56 - May 18 with 2669 views | max936 |
I work with gas on a daily basis and its dangerous stuff, as seen by the gas explosions, seen in the news, the sooner they can bin the use of gas the better. | |
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| The end of gas? on 22:04 - May 18 with 2664 views | Luther27 |
Pie in the sky news yet again. Without the conversion costs to electric gas is four times cheaper than electric and so is oil according to Ovo Energy on their website dated February this year. Also the UK has or is suffering a reduced spinning reserve and that’s without the future requirements of electric vehicle charging.
Where do we go to reduce emissions? Why not try China, the USA and India for starters. | | | |
| The end of gas? on 22:21 - May 18 with 2655 views | KeithHaynes |
Our bass player in the band is not happy reading this, been a Bristol Rovers fan for 40 years. |  |
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| The end of gas? on 00:09 - May 19 with 2590 views | controversial_jack |
| The end of gas? on 21:56 - May 18 by max936 |
I work with gas on a daily basis and its dangerous stuff, as seen by the gas explosions, seen in the news, the sooner they can bin the use of gas the better. |
I worked with gas for many years. Propane, butane, Hydrogen Chloride, Chlorines, methyl chloride, Nitrogen, hydrogen,and so on and they are perfectly safe when stored correctly. When they are compressed and liquified they are easy to store too. | | | |
| The end of gas? on 03:02 - May 19 with 2564 views | Kilkennyjack |
| The end of gas? on 22:21 - May 18 by KeithHaynes |
Our bass player in the band is not happy reading this, been a Bristol Rovers fan for 40 years. |
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| The end of gas? on 08:28 - May 19 with 2515 views | onehunglow |
| The end of gas? on 21:53 - May 18 by max936 |
Got a 10kw heat pump heating my Koi pond, expensive when there's no warm air about to draw in and it starts using electric, apparently its supposed to use 1.5kw of electric and give out 10kw, I'm calling foul on that one |
Koi Pond.Jeez,blyddy glorified goldfish.
My old man built his own pond and we stole the stones from Oxwich beach to make it.We had a Rover 2000 at the time and it just about nackered the suspension. Dad was a bit of a nutter.
The pond leaked,the fish then died because he put lime in the water after being advised to do so by Percy Thrower. Problem was he put too much lime in. I got whacked anyway...I always
They were big goldfish (we didnt have fancy Jap fish then).I always chortle when I read about Koi.
Thanks ,a bright start to my day. | |
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| The end of gas? on 09:44 - May 19 with 2500 views | Catullus |
| The end of gas? on 22:21 - May 18 by KeithHaynes |
Our bass player in the band is not happy reading this, been a Bristol Rovers fan for 40 years. |
From the memorial Stadium to just a memorial eh 
So heat pumps are expensive to install AND a lot more expensive to run. Sounds like another government scam, like diesel. They give us this advice, we all follow it and it costs us a lot more money than gas with their friends at the utility corp coining it.
Hmm, a conpiracy theory  | |
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| The end of gas? on 09:51 - May 19 with 2497 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The end of gas? on 21:56 - May 18 by max936 |
I work with gas on a daily basis and its dangerous stuff, as seen by the gas explosions, seen in the news, the sooner they can bin the use of gas the better. |
Mind you electricity seems even more dangerous.
70 deaths per year in UK due to electrocution and 14,000 fires caused by electrical fires. | |
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| The end of gas? on 10:27 - May 19 with 2483 views | A_Fans_Dad |
Come on Cat, I am sure that you, scotia, lisa and prof will be more than happy to make your sacrifice to save the world.
You forgot that it will also double your heating & hot water bills as well.
But come on you are saving the world aren't you?
No you would be saving nothing, if the UK stopped all Fossil Fuel use overnight it would be replaced by China increases in a week and India's increases in a month.
It is virtue signalling of the worst kind, because Johnson won't pay the price you will.
China & India have already stated they will not stop their increases until 2035, so anything we do is totall pointless.
ps where is the electricity going to come from? Please don't say renewables and batteries.
pps where is the subsidy money going to come from? [Post edited 19 May 2021 13:50]
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| The end of gas? on 10:38 - May 19 with 2475 views | felixstowe_jack |
We will continue to use gas for a long time it is one of the cleanest fossil fuels and much better for the environment than dirty coal and oil. | |
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| The end of gas? on 10:46 - May 19 with 2473 views | controversial_jack |
| The end of gas? on 10:38 - May 19 by felixstowe_jack |
We will continue to use gas for a long time it is one of the cleanest fossil fuels and much better for the environment than dirty coal and oil. |
The only problem with gas is, unless it's via a pipeline it's expensive to transport. it has to be compressed liquified and then re warmed at it's destination. very expensive! | | | |
| The end of gas? on 11:47 - May 19 with 2450 views | Scotia |
| The end of gas? on 10:27 - May 19 by A_Fans_Dad |
Come on Cat, I am sure that you, scotia, lisa and prof will be more than happy to make your sacrifice to save the world.
You forgot that it will also double your heating & hot water bills as well.
But come on you are saving the world aren't you?
No you would be saving nothing, if the UK stopped all Fossil Fuel use overnight it would be replaced by China increases in a week and India's increases in a month.
It is virtue signalling of the worst kind, because Johnson won't pay the price you will.
China & India have already stated they will not stop their increases until 2035, so anything we do is totall pointless.
ps where is the electricity going to come from? Please don't say renewables and batteries.
pps where is the subsidy money going to come from? [Post edited 19 May 2021 13:50]
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To say "anything we do is pointless" depends on how big the we is. The entire planet needs to do something, so why not set a bit of a benchmark in the UK?
Gas is one of the more carbon efficient fossil fuels when burning alone is considered. The major problem with methane is that is a very potent greenhouse gas, more so than carbon dioxide. Exploration for methane often leads to a fair amount of leakage. Nevertheless we will probably rely on it in some form for many years to come.
There's not much point whinging about cost and power. The costs of renewables are coming down and the sources are being provided.
We found the money for covid, and this WILL be a bigger problem. It's just that we won't be around to see it. | | | |
| The end of gas? on 12:18 - May 19 with 2433 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| The end of gas? on 11:47 - May 19 by Scotia |
To say "anything we do is pointless" depends on how big the we is. The entire planet needs to do something, so why not set a bit of a benchmark in the UK?
Gas is one of the more carbon efficient fossil fuels when burning alone is considered. The major problem with methane is that is a very potent greenhouse gas, more so than carbon dioxide. Exploration for methane often leads to a fair amount of leakage. Nevertheless we will probably rely on it in some form for many years to come.
There's not much point whinging about cost and power. The costs of renewables are coming down and the sources are being provided.
We found the money for covid, and this WILL be a bigger problem. It's just that we won't be around to see it. |
But the entire planet is not doing anything and won't be until well after 2035, that is the whole point, it is virtue signalling of the worst kind.
Make your sacrifices I couldn't care less it won't affect me.
The cost of renewables is immaterial, you don't appear to understand Base load requirements, by 2030 our curent Nuclear power stations will be closed, so another 10Gw of power needed to come from somewhere on top of the doubling of current needs to account for electric heating and electric cars.
Renewables at the moment Wind at 0.84Gw from 23GW = 3.65% of installed capacity.
Multiply it by 10 = 8.4Gw and it still won't even cover the Nuclear power loss let alone a doubling of our current 30Gw -40Gw requirements.
Solar 6.11Gw at it's maximum point, tonight it will be ZERO
I thought you were supposed to be an engineer, why can't you work this stuff out for yourself?
Instead you live in a fantasy unicorn land like Johnson.
As to the cost, we are not talking about a few billion, we are talking about a few trillion, but hey it is only Tax payers money, so who cares, certainly not Johnson. | | | |
| The end of gas? on 13:04 - May 19 with 2422 views | Scotia |
| The end of gas? on 12:18 - May 19 by A_Fans_Dad |
But the entire planet is not doing anything and won't be until well after 2035, that is the whole point, it is virtue signalling of the worst kind.
Make your sacrifices I couldn't care less it won't affect me.
The cost of renewables is immaterial, you don't appear to understand Base load requirements, by 2030 our curent Nuclear power stations will be closed, so another 10Gw of power needed to come from somewhere on top of the doubling of current needs to account for electric heating and electric cars.
Renewables at the moment Wind at 0.84Gw from 23GW = 3.65% of installed capacity.
Multiply it by 10 = 8.4Gw and it still won't even cover the Nuclear power loss let alone a doubling of our current 30Gw -40Gw requirements.
Solar 6.11Gw at it's maximum point, tonight it will be ZERO
I thought you were supposed to be an engineer, why can't you work this stuff out for yourself?
Instead you live in a fantasy unicorn land like Johnson.
As to the cost, we are not talking about a few billion, we are talking about a few trillion, but hey it is only Tax payers money, so who cares, certainly not Johnson. |
I'm not an engineer. Academically I was a Hydro-Geologist and now work environmental impact.
You've highlighted significant problems, it makes no difference who works them out. It's the solutions that count.
"Make your sacrifices I couldn't care less it won't affect me."
That is precisely the issue we need to resolve. Perhaps by 2035 the need to do something will be even clearer. | | | |
| The end of gas? on 13:12 - May 19 with 2421 views | Catullus |
| The end of gas? on 10:27 - May 19 by A_Fans_Dad |
Come on Cat, I am sure that you, scotia, lisa and prof will be more than happy to make your sacrifice to save the world.
You forgot that it will also double your heating & hot water bills as well.
But come on you are saving the world aren't you?
No you would be saving nothing, if the UK stopped all Fossil Fuel use overnight it would be replaced by China increases in a week and India's increases in a month.
It is virtue signalling of the worst kind, because Johnson won't pay the price you will.
China & India have already stated they will not stop their increases until 2035, so anything we do is totall pointless.
ps where is the electricity going to come from? Please don't say renewables and batteries.
pps where is the subsidy money going to come from? [Post edited 19 May 2021 13:50]
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Ummm, it has to start somewhere. I admit the Chinese and others put out more extra every year than we will save but it's not virtue signalling. I want there to be a world worth living in for my son and his kids.
We could just do nothing, sit back and enjoy our lives and the future we are creating for our kids I suppose. If you're happy for them to grow into a world destroyed by pollution, with foul air and dying eco systems then carry on.
PS, with the rising temps my heating won't be affected, we have thick walls in this house too. Now renewables, the amount we have been getting from renewables has risen steadily and we now produce more from renewables than from fossil fuels,
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jan/28/uk-electricity-from-renewabl
It's gonna keep on rising too despite you naysayers. | |
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| The end of gas? on 14:08 - May 19 with 2394 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| The end of gas? on 13:12 - May 19 by Catullus |
Ummm, it has to start somewhere. I admit the Chinese and others put out more extra every year than we will save but it's not virtue signalling. I want there to be a world worth living in for my son and his kids.
We could just do nothing, sit back and enjoy our lives and the future we are creating for our kids I suppose. If you're happy for them to grow into a world destroyed by pollution, with foul air and dying eco systems then carry on.
PS, with the rising temps my heating won't be affected, we have thick walls in this house too. Now renewables, the amount we have been getting from renewables has risen steadily and we now produce more from renewables than from fossil fuels,
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jan/28/uk-electricity-from-renewabl
It's gonna keep on rising too despite you naysayers. |
I am glad the the heating bills won't affect you too much in the future, shame about the other 50 million it will affect.
You seem to think that your kids will have a better life by making these sacrificies now, but they will be lumbered with it all over again in 20 years. when those renewables are all worn out and need replacing.
And permanently lumbered with higher Fuel prices.
When are you going to realise that CO2 is not a pollutant, it is the life breath of your Bio systems worldwide.
What needs addressing is real pollution, like that coming from plastic dumping, rubbish dumping, rare earth mining, disused Turbine blades and solar panels.
Read how much your vaunted renewables are producing right now, look at how much they have produced over the last month to six weeks.
I wonder if you have any real concept of how much electricity will be needed to be generated to get rid of gas and or auto fossil fuels.
How is it not virtue signalling when it makes absolutely no difference to the world over the next 15 to 20 years, why do you want the UK tax payers to suffer now and in the immediate future? | | | |
| The end of gas? on 14:14 - May 19 with 2391 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| The end of gas? on 13:04 - May 19 by Scotia |
I'm not an engineer. Academically I was a Hydro-Geologist and now work environmental impact.
You've highlighted significant problems, it makes no difference who works them out. It's the solutions that count.
"Make your sacrifices I couldn't care less it won't affect me."
That is precisely the issue we need to resolve. Perhaps by 2035 the need to do something will be even clearer. |
No, it is not the issue, I will probably not be around to make the sacrifices you are going to have to make and I don't believe in virtue signalling for anyone.
You state "It's the solutions that count. ", yes it is and renewable energy is not the solution unless you are really prepared to throw Trillions of Pounds away.
The only Viable solution is Nuclear.
I notice you do not even try to justify the pathetic amount of energy being generated by your "solutions" right now and for the last 6 weeks or so. | | | |
| The end of gas? on 14:29 - May 19 with 2388 views | Scotia |
| The end of gas? on 14:14 - May 19 by A_Fans_Dad |
No, it is not the issue, I will probably not be around to make the sacrifices you are going to have to make and I don't believe in virtue signalling for anyone.
You state "It's the solutions that count. ", yes it is and renewable energy is not the solution unless you are really prepared to throw Trillions of Pounds away.
The only Viable solution is Nuclear.
I notice you do not even try to justify the pathetic amount of energy being generated by your "solutions" right now and for the last 6 weeks or so. |
It's not virtue signalling. It needs to be done. It needs to be done on a global scale, we may be a small player but we need to do our bit.
Renewables are part of the solution. They are not perfect and need back up or possibly in the future some form of storage. I agree that nuclear may well need to play a part.
Your "trillions" of pounds is based on outdated technology, is it expensive? Yes. But how much do you think the first ever coal fired power station cost to set up (in total) based on the equivalent cost today?
These costs will come down, they are already, and renewables will get more efficient. | | | |
| The end of gas? on 14:48 - May 19 with 2379 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| The end of gas? on 14:29 - May 19 by Scotia |
It's not virtue signalling. It needs to be done. It needs to be done on a global scale, we may be a small player but we need to do our bit.
Renewables are part of the solution. They are not perfect and need back up or possibly in the future some form of storage. I agree that nuclear may well need to play a part.
Your "trillions" of pounds is based on outdated technology, is it expensive? Yes. But how much do you think the first ever coal fired power station cost to set up (in total) based on the equivalent cost today?
These costs will come down, they are already, and renewables will get more efficient. |
It doesn't matter how efficient they get, when the sun doesn't shine and the wind doesn't blow they are useless for running a modern Industrial society.
My trillions of pounds is not based on outdated technology, it is based on how much energy is required at current costs.
You keep saying that the costs are coming down, when they are not compared to gas and won't in the future.
You are aware that the cheap solar panels are made in China by slave labour?
https://energypost.eu/are-renewable-energy-cost-reductions-coming-to-an-end-what [Post edited 19 May 2021 14:56]
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| The end of gas? on 14:57 - May 19 with 2374 views | BarrySwan |
| The end of gas? on 21:56 - May 18 by max936 |
I work with gas on a daily basis and its dangerous stuff, as seen by the gas explosions, seen in the news, the sooner they can bin the use of gas the better. |
And I worked with gas for over 40 years on a daily basis.
It's safe enough when used in properly maintained and installed appliances. A major problem is the large number of cowboys and incompetent and negligent people who install, service and repair such appliances exacerbated by those who are quite happy for unqualified 'bloke down the pub' to work on gas in their houses.
There will of course be occasional unfortunate and deadly accidents which will occur just as there is with any other combustible fuel use.
The majority of these after investigation in the gas industry tend to be linked with faults in the installation of appliances, pipework and poor record of servicing however there will undoubtably be the occasional split mains or other unforeseen reason for an incident which sometimes cause a tragic loss of life. [Post edited 19 May 2021 14:58]
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| The end of gas? on 15:15 - May 19 with 2357 views | jack_lord |
| The end of gas? on 14:29 - May 19 by Scotia |
It's not virtue signalling. It needs to be done. It needs to be done on a global scale, we may be a small player but we need to do our bit.
Renewables are part of the solution. They are not perfect and need back up or possibly in the future some form of storage. I agree that nuclear may well need to play a part.
Your "trillions" of pounds is based on outdated technology, is it expensive? Yes. But how much do you think the first ever coal fired power station cost to set up (in total) based on the equivalent cost today?
These costs will come down, they are already, and renewables will get more efficient. |
and there is always tidal range technology. As you have said, the renewables are becoming increasingly efficient and wind turbines and solar farms are being developed at an increasing pace. Nuclear has a big part to play and as science improves then imagine cold fusion.
We still have coal and we still have gas so we have a back up. There is a website that shows how much of our energy demands are met by each technology each day. |  |
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| The end of gas? on 15:56 - May 19 with 2342 views | controversial_jack |
Alternative energy sources are a great addition and should be encouraged, but it won't be possible to rely on them totally.
We will still need fossil fuels, and maybe nuclear power. However, we will have to depend on overseas companies to build nuclear power stations, as Britain does not have the expertise to build them | | | |
| The end of gas? on 16:30 - May 19 with 2337 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The end of gas? on 15:15 - May 19 by jack_lord |
and there is always tidal range technology. As you have said, the renewables are becoming increasingly efficient and wind turbines and solar farms are being developed at an increasing pace. Nuclear has a big part to play and as science improves then imagine cold fusion.
We still have coal and we still have gas so we have a back up. There is a website that shows how much of our energy demands are met by each technology each day. |
https://grid.iamkate.com/
The figures give real time data of the national grid.
They only include output of solar farms as the national grid cannot monitor output from domestic solar panels. That data is collected quarterly from individual generation meters.
The current installed capacityof household solar is 13.2 GW (June 2020) enough to power 3 million households. 900,000 households have solar panels.
Batteries are being installed at an increasing rate as cost come down which means many houses draw little or now power from the grid overnight.
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