| What is the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? 08:25 - Mar 28 with 2488 views | SwansIndependent |
 What is the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? 28th Mar 2022 08:24The informative but not that well received article by Mark Allen from the official Swans site yesterday, for me did pose a number of questions, some of which are now answered as a result of taking time out to reflect on his thoughts.  4
The new revolution, click above.
The old revolution failed, click below.
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| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 08:34 - Mar 28 with 1491 views | Dr_Parnassus |
The answer to that analogy would be that Newcastle as a destination exists, is proven and you know that eventually that journey will take you there under the correct guidance.
This destination however is not proven, it has never been reached by the man in question.
What this would be akin to, is stepping into an Uber where the driver has never had a successful drive and has never once reached his destination, only failed journeys.
If I was reading those reviews as we were driving the wrong way down the M4 and with the Uber drivers refusal to learn that there is a sat nav in the car… I may well bail out and hail a more appropriate driver with a better track record of delivering the task at hand.
To sit in the car, seeing you are driving the wrong way, knowing exactly why we aren’t heading in the right direction while the driver maintains he is doing a great job is not something most people would do.
On this occasion the doors have been locked and we are stuck on this journey into God knows where. So the least we can do is complain about it as we take another roundabout back on ourselves in the Outer Hebrides in the opposite direction of the destination promised. |  |
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| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 08:44 - Mar 28 with 1469 views | Whiterockin |
| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 08:34 - Mar 28 by Dr_Parnassus |
The answer to that analogy would be that Newcastle as a destination exists, is proven and you know that eventually that journey will take you there under the correct guidance.
This destination however is not proven, it has never been reached by the man in question.
What this would be akin to, is stepping into an Uber where the driver has never had a successful drive and has never once reached his destination, only failed journeys.
If I was reading those reviews as we were driving the wrong way down the M4 and with the Uber drivers refusal to learn that there is a sat nav in the car… I may well bail out and hail a more appropriate driver with a better track record of delivering the task at hand.
To sit in the car, seeing you are driving the wrong way, knowing exactly why we aren’t heading in the right direction while the driver maintains he is doing a great job is not something most people would do.
On this occasion the doors have been locked and we are stuck on this journey into God knows where. So the least we can do is complain about it as we take another roundabout back on ourselves in the Outer Hebrides in the opposite direction of the destination promised. |
Possibly the sat nav in the car is outdated and needs to be updated to include traffic conditions. The driver is using an up to date version on his phone on the dashboard that you can't see, this includes current traffic conditions. The journey will take longer than you anticipated, but you will get there quicker than if you had remained on the direct course. You of course would be sitting in the back screaming that the driver is wrong and that you are right, unless you bailed out and were stuck in the traffic for longer. |  | | |
| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 08:57 - Mar 28 with 1434 views | STID2017 |
| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 08:44 - Mar 28 by Whiterockin |
Possibly the sat nav in the car is outdated and needs to be updated to include traffic conditions. The driver is using an up to date version on his phone on the dashboard that you can't see, this includes current traffic conditions. The journey will take longer than you anticipated, but you will get there quicker than if you had remained on the direct course. You of course would be sitting in the back screaming that the driver is wrong and that you are right, unless you bailed out and were stuck in the traffic for longer. |
Dr P, AC and Perch can be likened to the kids whinging " Are we there yet? " |  |
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| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 09:08 - Mar 28 with 1417 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 08:57 - Mar 28 by STID2017 |
Dr P, AC and Perch can be likened to the kids whinging " Are we there yet? " |
Well, not quite. That would be the likes of you who are now complaining of course.
Those you mention are akin to those that said “hmmm I’m not sure we should be getting in that car, the bloke has a white stick and his seat is facing the wrong way”.
“It’ll be ok, patience innit” was the reply. | |
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| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 09:15 - Mar 28 with 1392 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 08:44 - Mar 28 by Whiterockin |
Possibly the sat nav in the car is outdated and needs to be updated to include traffic conditions. The driver is using an up to date version on his phone on the dashboard that you can't see, this includes current traffic conditions. The journey will take longer than you anticipated, but you will get there quicker than if you had remained on the direct course. You of course would be sitting in the back screaming that the driver is wrong and that you are right, unless you bailed out and were stuck in the traffic for longer. |
If that was the case the updated sat nav would have a great track record of success.
Sadly it doesn’t.
I covered that in my reply. | |
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| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 09:16 - Mar 28 with 1381 views | Whiterockin |
| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 09:15 - Mar 28 by Dr_Parnassus |
If that was the case the updated sat nav would have a great track record of success.
Sadly it doesn’t.
I covered that in my reply. |
Clearly the analogy went way over your head. | | | |
| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 09:19 - Mar 28 with 1367 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 09:16 - Mar 28 by Whiterockin |
Clearly the analogy went way over your head. |
The analogy was that we are on a journey and it’s pointless aborting it mid way when you haven’t reached the destination yet.
My response was unlike Newcastle, which is a fixed and physical place, our destination may not exist and has no track record of existing, so we need to monitor the journey as it happens rather than trusting we get there.
As of yet the signs are terrible, there is only so long you can sit in the car. | |
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| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 09:39 - Mar 28 with 1338 views | Badlands |
| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 08:34 - Mar 28 by Dr_Parnassus |
The answer to that analogy would be that Newcastle as a destination exists, is proven and you know that eventually that journey will take you there under the correct guidance.
This destination however is not proven, it has never been reached by the man in question.
What this would be akin to, is stepping into an Uber where the driver has never had a successful drive and has never once reached his destination, only failed journeys.
If I was reading those reviews as we were driving the wrong way down the M4 and with the Uber drivers refusal to learn that there is a sat nav in the car… I may well bail out and hail a more appropriate driver with a better track record of delivering the task at hand.
To sit in the car, seeing you are driving the wrong way, knowing exactly why we aren’t heading in the right direction while the driver maintains he is doing a great job is not something most people would do.
On this occasion the doors have been locked and we are stuck on this journey into God knows where. So the least we can do is complain about it as we take another roundabout back on ourselves in the Outer Hebrides in the opposite direction of the destination promised. |
This destination however is not proven, it has never been reached by the man in question.
The same was true f Jackett, Martines and Rodgers yet they all achieved promotions with us.
Nor had Sousa, Laudrup or Monk yet all achieved improvements.
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| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 09:40 - Mar 28 with 1324 views | STID2017 |
| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 09:08 - Mar 28 by Dr_Parnassus |
Well, not quite. That would be the likes of you who are now complaining of course.
Those you mention are akin to those that said “hmmm I’m not sure we should be getting in that car, the bloke has a white stick and his seat is facing the wrong way”.
“It’ll be ok, patience innit” was the reply. |
I would ask for examples of where I am complaining currently about Martin and the progress ?
However that is your forte.
As with most fans, we all complain in the heat of the moment, then in the cold light of day often cool down and reconsider their opinion. | |
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| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 09:59 - Mar 28 with 1299 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 09:39 - Mar 28 by Badlands |
This destination however is not proven, it has never been reached by the man in question.
The same was true f Jackett, Martines and Rodgers yet they all achieved promotions with us.
Nor had Sousa, Laudrup or Monk yet all achieved improvements.
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All of those showed they were on the right path along the way.
Feel free to provide each managers first 35 odd matches and compare.
None of them complained that they can’t do anything with the players they have got despite spending millions and millions on them. Management is about getting the best out of what you have and getting to the destination as quickly as possible with as limited damage as possible.
All those names managed to get their ideas in place within weeks, with a fraction of the spending power and a fraction of the talent we have at our disposal.
Thems the facts. | |
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| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 10:00 - Mar 28 with 1297 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 09:40 - Mar 28 by STID2017 |
I would ask for examples of where I am complaining currently about Martin and the progress ?
However that is your forte.
As with most fans, we all complain in the heat of the moment, then in the cold light of day often cool down and reconsider their opinion. |
So you have complained or you haven’t?
You seemed to suggest you disagreed before going on to admit you have complained.
Make up your mind. | |
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| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 10:18 - Mar 28 with 1277 views | onehunglow |
Revolution eh?
Yep,get Russ out.Give us our club back | |
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| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 10:24 - Mar 28 with 1268 views | KeithHaynes |
| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 10:18 - Mar 28 by onehunglow |
Revolution eh?
Yep,get Russ out.Give us our club back |
No,money,available,to,waste. |  |
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| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 10:36 - Mar 28 with 1258 views | onehunglow |
| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 10:24 - Mar 28 by KeithHaynes |
No,money,available,to,waste. |
We will hemorrhage money if he stays and the signs are there already with many looking not to renew STs.
IMO,it is essential we get rid as soon as we are mathematically safe. I honestly believe he i corrosive and is damaging quality players and also that clubs will no longer be keen to loan us players. I cant see how we did much for Rhys Williams and we aren't for Burns. It begs the question why sign them and not play them.These are young players and they must be so disillusioned . | |
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| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 10:47 - Mar 28 with 1229 views | KeithHaynes |
| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 10:36 - Mar 28 by onehunglow |
We will hemorrhage money if he stays and the signs are there already with many looking not to renew STs.
IMO,it is essential we get rid as soon as we are mathematically safe. I honestly believe he i corrosive and is damaging quality players and also that clubs will no longer be keen to loan us players. I cant see how we did much for Rhys Williams and we aren't for Burns. It begs the question why sign them and not play them.These are young players and they must be so disillusioned . |
I don’t see us haemorrhaging money, just cleverly sourced and well researched players. Paterson, Downes, Ntcham, laird, Christie, Piroe and Obafemi for starters. If we stay at that standard in the summer we will definitely remain on track. | |
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| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 10:51 - Mar 28 with 1218 views | KeithHaynes |
| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 10:36 - Mar 28 by onehunglow |
We will hemorrhage money if he stays and the signs are there already with many looking not to renew STs.
IMO,it is essential we get rid as soon as we are mathematically safe. I honestly believe he i corrosive and is damaging quality players and also that clubs will no longer be keen to loan us players. I cant see how we did much for Rhys Williams and we aren't for Burns. It begs the question why sign them and not play them.These are young players and they must be so disillusioned . |
On loan players, Williams just wasn’t up to it after a no brainer of a loan deal. Last season he was superb. He just didn’t understand the dynamic at Swansea for me. Burns is completely different, he was a reserve player. He has come in to a side that he can experience being in a match day squad, train with a first team, learn training strategies and develop himself.
And there’s nothing to say he won’t be at Swansea next season. | |
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| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 11:10 - Mar 28 with 1180 views | Whiterockin |
| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 10:51 - Mar 28 by KeithHaynes |
On loan players, Williams just wasn’t up to it after a no brainer of a loan deal. Last season he was superb. He just didn’t understand the dynamic at Swansea for me. Burns is completely different, he was a reserve player. He has come in to a side that he can experience being in a match day squad, train with a first team, learn training strategies and develop himself.
And there’s nothing to say he won’t be at Swansea next season. |
Burns could be similar to when Guehi played for us, slow to start but brilliant in his second season. If we hold onto Burns I can see this happening again. Williams was just totally shot of all confidence and his play suffered, was this down to the online abuse? it seemed to start there. | | | |
| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 11:36 - Mar 28 with 1126 views | onehunglow |
| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 10:51 - Mar 28 by KeithHaynes |
On loan players, Williams just wasn’t up to it after a no brainer of a loan deal. Last season he was superb. He just didn’t understand the dynamic at Swansea for me. Burns is completely different, he was a reserve player. He has come in to a side that he can experience being in a match day squad, train with a first team, learn training strategies and develop himself.
And there’s nothing to say he won’t be at Swansea next season. |
I simply do not agree Keith.
He understood Liverpool FC dynamic alright.
Not sure if Martin's dynamic is smarter | |
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| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 12:10 - Mar 28 with 1101 views | KeithHaynes |
| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 11:36 - Mar 28 by onehunglow |
I simply do not agree Keith.
He understood Liverpool FC dynamic alright.
Not sure if Martin's dynamic is smarter |
Nothing can be perfect though. | |
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| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 13:15 - Mar 28 with 1037 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
Mr Allen is a key man. He will decide when Martin's tenure is over or whether he will be given a new contract. Having appointed him Winter, Silverstein and others would be almost duty bound to follow his recommendations.
Allen will have also ready had a "where do you see us being in the league this time next season Russell?" conversation. Martin will reply "depending on what signings are made minimum top 6 has to be the aim with more consistent performances".
Mr Allen has bought into this. If it does not work then Mr Allen will pressure Mr Martin to introduce new coaches to adapt to realities. Time on the training ground and unsuitable roster will not apply at that stage.
Variable 1 Pre season
Variable 2 New signings
Variable 3 Injuries
These boxes boxes will have been ticked.
The remaining variable is tactics and playing style. If it has to be adapted then Martin will have to adapt. Mr Allen will be the man pushing for adaptation. |  |
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| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 13:20 - Mar 28 with 1033 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 13:15 - Mar 28 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Mr Allen is a key man. He will decide when Martin's tenure is over or whether he will be given a new contract. Having appointed him Winter, Silverstein and others would be almost duty bound to follow his recommendations.
Allen will have also ready had a "where do you see us being in the league this time next season Russell?" conversation. Martin will reply "depending on what signings are made minimum top 6 has to be the aim with more consistent performances".
Mr Allen has bought into this. If it does not work then Mr Allen will pressure Mr Martin to introduce new coaches to adapt to realities. Time on the training ground and unsuitable roster will not apply at that stage.
Variable 1 Pre season
Variable 2 New signings
Variable 3 Injuries
These boxes boxes will have been ticked.
The remaining variable is tactics and playing style. If it has to be adapted then Martin will have to adapt. Mr Allen will be the man pushing for adaptation. |
More new signings? More breaks? Why are these going to help and why haven’t they helped so far?
Is he going to want to replace Mr Naughton? Mr Grimes? Mr Downes?
If not then why is he replacing players he’s brought in himself? Mr Obafemi? Mr Pato? Mr Ntcham?
Who is now all of a sudden being blamed for the team not being able to perform? | |
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| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 14:18 - Mar 28 with 988 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 13:15 - Mar 28 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Mr Allen is a key man. He will decide when Martin's tenure is over or whether he will be given a new contract. Having appointed him Winter, Silverstein and others would be almost duty bound to follow his recommendations.
Allen will have also ready had a "where do you see us being in the league this time next season Russell?" conversation. Martin will reply "depending on what signings are made minimum top 6 has to be the aim with more consistent performances".
Mr Allen has bought into this. If it does not work then Mr Allen will pressure Mr Martin to introduce new coaches to adapt to realities. Time on the training ground and unsuitable roster will not apply at that stage.
Variable 1 Pre season
Variable 2 New signings
Variable 3 Injuries
These boxes boxes will have been ticked.
The remaining variable is tactics and playing style. If it has to be adapted then Martin will have to adapt. Mr Allen will be the man pushing for adaptation. |
You missed a large contributor from your list, to go along with new signings you need new leavings. | | | |
| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 14:25 - Mar 28 with 980 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 09:19 - Mar 28 by Dr_Parnassus |
The analogy was that we are on a journey and it’s pointless aborting it mid way when you haven’t reached the destination yet.
My response was unlike Newcastle, which is a fixed and physical place, our destination may not exist and has no track record of existing, so we need to monitor the journey as it happens rather than trusting we get there.
As of yet the signs are terrible, there is only so long you can sit in the car. |
Doc, our destination exists, Liverpool & Man C live there.
The problem we have is that we are travelling in an old banger that is not reliable while they travelled in expensive super cars.
It could even be that the "road" we travel on may not lead there, maybe you need to fly in a plane to complete the last part of the journey, which we also do not have and can't afford.
Keith can repeat the mantra as often as he likes, it doesn't make it any more true.
But only time will tell either way, those that do not have infinite patience may well lose interest in the final outcome anyway. | | | |
| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 15:02 - Mar 28 with 940 views | onehunglow |
| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 14:25 - Mar 28 by A_Fans_Dad |
Doc, our destination exists, Liverpool & Man C live there.
The problem we have is that we are travelling in an old banger that is not reliable while they travelled in expensive super cars.
It could even be that the "road" we travel on may not lead there, maybe you need to fly in a plane to complete the last part of the journey, which we also do not have and can't afford.
Keith can repeat the mantra as often as he likes, it doesn't make it any more true.
But only time will tell either way, those that do not have infinite patience may well lose interest in the final outcome anyway. |
Somebody ,maybe you,could tell K that being relegated will hammer us
Martin could well see us drop. If he doesn’t,we will simply survive swimming in the shallows of mediocrity with nothing of real interest .
Losing games isn’t that good for the soul
To be mid table isn’t exactly full of joy either
Fans have dreams . We all need them | |
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| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 15:12 - Mar 28 with 921 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| What the point in this new Swansea City revolution ? on 14:25 - Mar 28 by A_Fans_Dad |
Doc, our destination exists, Liverpool & Man C live there.
The problem we have is that we are travelling in an old banger that is not reliable while they travelled in expensive super cars.
It could even be that the "road" we travel on may not lead there, maybe you need to fly in a plane to complete the last part of the journey, which we also do not have and can't afford.
Keith can repeat the mantra as often as he likes, it doesn't make it any more true.
But only time will tell either way, those that do not have infinite patience may well lose interest in the final outcome anyway. |
Liverpool and Man City both play 4 at the back and wingers.
Grealish, Sterling and Mahrez with support from Cancelo and Walker.
Mane and Salah with support from Robertson and Trent.
We don’t play anything like either, despite constant references to both. We have no width, no pace, play high full backs, slow CB’s, multiple holding midfielders and now two up front.
It’s bizarre.
The road to nowhere if you will, as we see most weeks. | |
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