| What if? 22:01 - May 19 with 4721 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
What if Martin signed a new two year contract in March. What would be the difference? I personally did not recommend it back then, few did.
Not a lot of difference I suggest. Just another £1m or £2m in the bank in compensation. This is being used as another stick to bash the owners. Martin leaving is not the issue. Who is replacing him is the issue. If he has the same philosophy he has a ready made squad starting to get more consistent. Swansea can put a gentlemen's agreement for SFC not to raid the club.
Martin wants to leave Swansea like Manning does. It is business life. |  |
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| What if? on 22:05 - May 19 with 2291 views | QJumpingJack |
Most clubs in the Championship would have a succession plan if/when their manager goes. |  | | |
| What if? on 22:06 - May 19 with 2287 views | Whiterockin |
Manning is out of contract RM has 12 months left on his. Anyone who wants him has to pay the settlement figure you can't add clauses now. If he had signed a new contract the compensation would have been more than £1-2M more. |  | | |
| What if? on 22:09 - May 19 with 2269 views | magicdaps10 |
If the bid is right then the owners won't care if its Martin's new club behind it.
If he signed a contract and this was still to happen then we would have more money in the bank or ultimately Soton wouldn't bother......either way we would be better off than what picture we are seeing now.
The owners are making the same mistakes time and time again......they are not proactive. Unless they change then it is going to end in tears and there will be no one to blame but themselves. |  |
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| What if? on 22:19 - May 19 with 2235 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| What if? on 22:06 - May 19 by Whiterockin |
Manning is out of contract RM has 12 months left on his. Anyone who wants him has to pay the settlement figure you can't add clauses now. If he had signed a new contract the compensation would have been more than £1-2M more. |
Swansea got £7m for Brendan because Brendan agreed to it. He agreed to it because he would only leave Swansea for really big rich club. Swansea also had a really smart Chairman who knew how to get things done.
Presumably Martin has agreed nothing so the compensation I would think is related to his current salary and outstanding time on it. Martin is not huge money at the moment I would think. In the order of £20k a week maximum at a guess. £1m per year.
Martin was prepared to join a small club like Southampton so would most likely not put a blockage in the way of him leaving like Brendan did in his new contract. | |
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| What if? on 22:51 - May 19 with 2165 views | KeithHaynes |
| What if? on 22:05 - May 19 by QJumpingJack |
Most clubs in the Championship would have a succession plan if/when their manager goes. |
The succession planner was Julian Winter, he hasn’t been seen for weeks, it’s a crock. |  |
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| What if? on 23:28 - May 19 with 2103 views | jasper_T |
I'm sure it's been stated in the past that every manager since relegation (maybe before) has had a specific figure written into their contract as a release clause. Brighton were delighted to pay Potter's. No one fancied Cooper's, which made things drag on. If Southampton want to pay for Martin then there's nothing the club can realistically do besides promise him a budget equal to that of a parachute payment club, and either renege or bankrupt ourselves gambling promotion.
Like with Potter a lot of people are desperate to have someone to blame for something that is just very normal business. Can't just be a working person having a chance to step up in their career, there has to be drama. Some proper meltdowns on Twitter, although mostly from kids tbf. Some poor lads not sure they will even watch the Swans next season without Russ in the dugout. We're destined for League One without him! When have I heard that before? | | | |
| What if? on 23:35 - May 19 with 2094 views | ModeratorD |
| What if? on 22:19 - May 19 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Swansea got £7m for Brendan because Brendan agreed to it. He agreed to it because he would only leave Swansea for really big rich club. Swansea also had a really smart Chairman who knew how to get things done.
Presumably Martin has agreed nothing so the compensation I would think is related to his current salary and outstanding time on it. Martin is not huge money at the moment I would think. In the order of £20k a week maximum at a guess. £1m per year.
Martin was prepared to join a small club like Southampton so would most likely not put a blockage in the way of him leaving like Brendan did in his new contract. |
Not sure Southampton could be considered a small club.
They will have multi millions to spend and will be looking to do a "Burnley"
For any new manager, succeed and they get lauded. Fail and they get well compensated.
Win win for Martin if he goes there.
Also if the owners had the foresight to offer him a new contract as well as back him in the January window, we would now either be looking at a decent package of compensation if he does end up going or may well have got into the play offs.
Neither scenario happened.
The reason neither happened is down to the owners pure and simple.
Not sure who else you would blame ? | | | |
| What if? on 23:42 - May 19 with 2092 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| What if? on 23:28 - May 19 by jasper_T |
I'm sure it's been stated in the past that every manager since relegation (maybe before) has had a specific figure written into their contract as a release clause. Brighton were delighted to pay Potter's. No one fancied Cooper's, which made things drag on. If Southampton want to pay for Martin then there's nothing the club can realistically do besides promise him a budget equal to that of a parachute payment club, and either renege or bankrupt ourselves gambling promotion.
Like with Potter a lot of people are desperate to have someone to blame for something that is just very normal business. Can't just be a working person having a chance to step up in their career, there has to be drama. Some proper meltdowns on Twitter, although mostly from kids tbf. Some poor lads not sure they will even watch the Swans next season without Russ in the dugout. We're destined for League One without him! When have I heard that before? |
I am not quite sure about Martins desperation to win at all costs. The match away at Hull city I was sure Swansea would win. On form playing well and it was a "must win". Possibly the first "must win" in Martin's career.
Some one like Mourhino would have thrown the kitchen sink at the last 10 minutes. Not Martins's Swansea. Perhaps martin was thinking about the nice unbeaten record t the end of the season not the three points an keeping the season alive.
Martin is builder of foundations perhaps and that job is largely complete. Sousa a different type of manager made the same decision moving to Leicester City who had more cash to spend. He come about 8th perhaps and had some ups and downs earlier in the season and a duff signing of Lopez and a dodgey January with over the hill Kuqi and Trundle. Brendan built on his foundation. Martin improved Wood, Cabango and Darling. Sousa stitched together Monk Tate and Williams. | |
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| What if? on 23:57 - May 19 with 2075 views | KeithHaynes |
| What if? on 23:28 - May 19 by jasper_T |
I'm sure it's been stated in the past that every manager since relegation (maybe before) has had a specific figure written into their contract as a release clause. Brighton were delighted to pay Potter's. No one fancied Cooper's, which made things drag on. If Southampton want to pay for Martin then there's nothing the club can realistically do besides promise him a budget equal to that of a parachute payment club, and either renege or bankrupt ourselves gambling promotion.
Like with Potter a lot of people are desperate to have someone to blame for something that is just very normal business. Can't just be a working person having a chance to step up in their career, there has to be drama. Some proper meltdowns on Twitter, although mostly from kids tbf. Some poor lads not sure they will even watch the Swans next season without Russ in the dugout. We're destined for League One without him! When have I heard that before? |
It isn’t as important as many people are keen to make out. I can understand younger fans being upset. We’ve seen it many times and hopefully will see it many times in the future. However, there has been mismanagement not only by Martin but by the majority owners themselves. We all know that.
The thing in most peoples lives is control and make differences to what you can, not what you can’t, hence the meltdowns. What is needed now is good communication by the club. Maybe after a few beers on Sunday we will see another one of those tweets 😉 | |
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| What if? on 01:14 - May 20 with 2042 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
Martin's management career has been patchy. When he has a good run people being optimist s believe a"corner has been turned ". We has the spell with Wolf and Christie last season. The corner ha been turned but it had not. Solid performers but not world beaters. They could have been replaced in the summer but were not.
No one wanted to give him a contract in March. He actually started performing adapting and improvising I believe he was given some home truths by the US management who did not believe Martin could deliver top 6 with or without transfers. It did martin a power of good as he knuckled down. Good for him. However the scars have not healed. that is the way it goes.
Many other clubs spent no money in January. Martin turned this common phenomena into a 'fiasco' "disaster" "washout" and the media and fans bought into a another fake narrative.
Norwich one loan. Blackburn one loan Bristol city two awful signings (Cornick was terrible). Cardiff only Kabba . QPR just Jamal Lowe. Reading one loan, Sheff utd Nothing. WBA one loan. | |
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| What if? on 12:24 - May 20 with 1893 views | BillyChong |
Manning wants to stay | | | |
| What if? on 13:20 - May 20 with 1872 views | lifelong |
| What if? on 12:24 - May 20 by BillyChong |
Manning wants to stay |
I would liked to have seen Martin have a third season with us. |  | | |
| What if? on 13:23 - May 20 with 1870 views | onehunglow |
| What if? on 13:20 - May 20 by lifelong |
I would liked to have seen Martin have a third season with us. |
You’re a nice man,that s why.
I would have,had he abandoned the suicide passing. He wouldn’t . You deserve better,seriously. | |
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| What if? on 13:24 - May 20 with 1870 views | max936 |
| What if? on 12:24 - May 20 by BillyChong |
Manning wants to stay |
Providing the monies right or because Martin is on his toes, or both? |  |
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| What if? on 13:25 - May 20 with 1865 views | Fireboy2 |
I just cannot believe that you have the gall to defend these shysters.
'Martin leaving is not the issue, replacing him is'
Who in their right mind would come to this basket case of a club when the owners treat the manager like sh!te. |  | | |
| What if? on 13:28 - May 20 with 1850 views | onehunglow |
| What if? on 13:25 - May 20 by Fireboy2 |
I just cannot believe that you have the gall to defend these shysters.
'Martin leaving is not the issue, replacing him is'
Who in their right mind would come to this basket case of a club when the owners treat the manager like sh!te. |
One who uses the club purely as a stepping stone,like Martin has done,like most really.
Decent ground,fan base,training facilities, nice areas nearby . Yep,I think many would especially those unemployed | |
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| What if? on 13:34 - May 20 with 1839 views | lifelong |
| What if? on 13:23 - May 20 by onehunglow |
You’re a nice man,that s why.
I would have,had he abandoned the suicide passing. He wouldn’t . You deserve better,seriously. |
What type of person I am is irrelevant.
Despite our dreadful run in mid season we finished the season very strong coming close to the playoffs. We ended up 10th in the league which was an improvement on the previous season, if we were to improve by the same margin this coming season we would be comfortably in the playoffs.
Now, it will be back to the drawing board and God knows who we will replace him with. | | | |
| What if? on 13:37 - May 20 with 1836 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| What if? on 13:25 - May 20 by Fireboy2 |
I just cannot believe that you have the gall to defend these shysters.
'Martin leaving is not the issue, replacing him is'
Who in their right mind would come to this basket case of a club when the owners treat the manager like sh!te. |
Did Sheff utd treat Heckingbottom like shite? No they did not, the gave him a job and told him to get on with it using the squad at his disposal.
Did they have a disastrous January window? Do you not remember? Did he sulk and start pointing figures at the owners? No he did not.
Sheffield Utd January signings Ziltch.
Their squad like Swansea s squad was fixed in the previous Summer. Martin did not fill the gaps in the summer right wing back and fell out with three of his strikers. He was forced by the US owners to adapt and innovate. When he did this he prospered.
Martin has admitted he sulked after the window and did not perform to his best. I have never heard a manger say this before. Unprofessional in my opinion. I cut him some slack as he is a young man learning the ropes and seemed to be learning from his mistakes.
Swansea is a great club and one of the best in selecting managers. Southampton clearly trust in Swansea's judgement as Martins managerial statistics are bog standard average. | |
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| What if? on 13:38 - May 20 with 1834 views | onehunglow |
| What if? on 13:34 - May 20 by lifelong |
What type of person I am is irrelevant.
Despite our dreadful run in mid season we finished the season very strong coming close to the playoffs. We ended up 10th in the league which was an improvement on the previous season, if we were to improve by the same margin this coming season we would be comfortably in the playoffs.
Now, it will be back to the drawing board and God knows who we will replace him with. |
It’s not.
You look at matters from a benign perspective not a cynical one like mine .
You are prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt | |
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| What if? on 13:42 - May 20 with 1828 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| What if? on 13:34 - May 20 by lifelong |
What type of person I am is irrelevant.
Despite our dreadful run in mid season we finished the season very strong coming close to the playoffs. We ended up 10th in the league which was an improvement on the previous season, if we were to improve by the same margin this coming season we would be comfortably in the playoffs.
Now, it will be back to the drawing board and God knows who we will replace him with. |
If Martin said to Swansea I will marginally improve the team and get you into the play offs at the end of year three they would not have employed him. | |
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| What if? on 13:43 - May 20 with 1827 views | Fireboy2 |
| What if? on 13:37 - May 20 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Did Sheff utd treat Heckingbottom like shite? No they did not, the gave him a job and told him to get on with it using the squad at his disposal.
Did they have a disastrous January window? Do you not remember? Did he sulk and start pointing figures at the owners? No he did not.
Sheffield Utd January signings Ziltch.
Their squad like Swansea s squad was fixed in the previous Summer. Martin did not fill the gaps in the summer right wing back and fell out with three of his strikers. He was forced by the US owners to adapt and innovate. When he did this he prospered.
Martin has admitted he sulked after the window and did not perform to his best. I have never heard a manger say this before. Unprofessional in my opinion. I cut him some slack as he is a young man learning the ropes and seemed to be learning from his mistakes.
Swansea is a great club and one of the best in selecting managers. Southampton clearly trust in Swansea's judgement as Martins managerial statistics are bog standard average. |
Swansea is a great club but run by shysters. | | | |
| What if? on 13:53 - May 20 with 1818 views | onehunglow |
| What if? on 13:34 - May 20 by lifelong |
What type of person I am is irrelevant.
Despite our dreadful run in mid season we finished the season very strong coming close to the playoffs. We ended up 10th in the league which was an improvement on the previous season, if we were to improve by the same margin this coming season we would be comfortably in the playoffs.
Now, it will be back to the drawing board and God knows who we will replace him with. |
10 th is nowhere .
We had little to enthuse over.
Our cup run ended to the behemoth that is Bristol City.And at home too.
We had promises though
We also had excuses aplenty | |
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| What if? on 13:59 - May 20 with 1817 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| What if? on 13:43 - May 20 by Fireboy2 |
Swansea is a great club but run by shysters. |
Hegginbottom wanted signings in January and did not get any. Their Window was not called a "fiasco" because he got better results than Martin.
Martin wanted "some help up top" in January. The owners gave him highly rated Whittaker (called the "new Mahrez" by a Scottish pundit) after he could not get a song from either SwansTV favourites Patterson and Obafemi. He started to use the academy more in Cullen and Cooper.
Martin always wants a lot of transfers. The ones he had g he did not use. Fisher and Darling. Swansea do not work like this. Cardiff work like this. Steve Cooper has gone nuts paying the ex Man utd player £100,000 to sit o the bench. | |
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| What if? on 14:12 - May 20 with 1810 views | max936 |
| What if? on 13:59 - May 20 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Hegginbottom wanted signings in January and did not get any. Their Window was not called a "fiasco" because he got better results than Martin.
Martin wanted "some help up top" in January. The owners gave him highly rated Whittaker (called the "new Mahrez" by a Scottish pundit) after he could not get a song from either SwansTV favourites Patterson and Obafemi. He started to use the academy more in Cullen and Cooper.
Martin always wants a lot of transfers. The ones he had g he did not use. Fisher and Darling. Swansea do not work like this. Cardiff work like this. Steve Cooper has gone nuts paying the ex Man utd player £100,000 to sit o the bench. |
Do you realise [perhaps not because it won't suit your bizarre narrative] that managers/head coaches have little say in who comes to their club, you can say who they want, but its the "people above" the managers/ head coaches that spend the money if they see fit, managers and coaches do not sign off transfer or contract deals.
Probably wasting my time here though, explaining the facts to you.  | |
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| What if? on 14:13 - May 20 with 1809 views | Superjan |
| What if? on 13:59 - May 20 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Hegginbottom wanted signings in January and did not get any. Their Window was not called a "fiasco" because he got better results than Martin.
Martin wanted "some help up top" in January. The owners gave him highly rated Whittaker (called the "new Mahrez" by a Scottish pundit) after he could not get a song from either SwansTV favourites Patterson and Obafemi. He started to use the academy more in Cullen and Cooper.
Martin always wants a lot of transfers. The ones he had g he did not use. Fisher and Darling. Swansea do not work like this. Cardiff work like this. Steve Cooper has gone nuts paying the ex Man utd player £100,000 to sit o the bench. |
What Scottish pundit called Morgan Whittaker “ the new Mahrez “ ? | | | |
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