| The Covid Inquiry 10:45 - Nov 21 with 1981 views | Dr_Winston |
Unfortunately turning out to be the expensive waste of time it looked like it had the strong potential to be. No questioning of the lockdown narrative, examination of whether they did more harm than good in the long term. No questioning of the woefully inaccurate models that were used, indeed it seems to have taken them as Gospel.
Just the expected "We should have locked down sooner and harder!" narrative, which flew in the face of all accepted responses at the time, and only the Swedes had the sense to ignore. |  |
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| The Covid Inquiry on 10:47 - Nov 21 with 1375 views | onehunglow |
But can we learn from it all
Nah |  |
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| The Covid Inquiry on 12:18 - Nov 21 with 1302 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
As the OP says, the more strategic issues missed by the inquiry. |  |
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| The Covid Inquiry on 12:45 - Nov 21 with 1286 views | Gwyn737 |
I believe there's more to come.
We'll have to wait and see if it's any use, mind. | | | |
| The Covid Inquiry on 13:19 - Nov 21 with 1250 views | Gwyn737 |
I think it's the next module(s) of the current UK one.
We've had modules 1 and 2 so far. | | | |
| The Covid Inquiry on 14:23 - Nov 21 with 1214 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
There should be a lot of criticism for keeping the country in lockdown far far too long after the mass vaccinations and when it became clear the issue was subsiding, and obviously those standing at the podium telling people to stay at home whilst having a knees up themselves are beyond contempt but I don’t think we can underestimate the scale of the task in the early stages. It’s probably the greatest peacetime crisis we’ve ever seen in this country. Whatever they did it would have been wrong. |  |
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| The Covid Inquiry on 14:38 - Nov 21 with 1205 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
I would like to know the ages of those who sadly lost their lives and the comorbidities that they may have had at that time. | |
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| The Covid Inquiry on 14:58 - Nov 21 with 1196 views | Dr_Winston |
| The Covid Inquiry on 14:23 - Nov 21 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
There should be a lot of criticism for keeping the country in lockdown far far too long after the mass vaccinations and when it became clear the issue was subsiding, and obviously those standing at the podium telling people to stay at home whilst having a knees up themselves are beyond contempt but I don’t think we can underestimate the scale of the task in the early stages. It’s probably the greatest peacetime crisis we’ve ever seen in this country. Whatever they did it would have been wrong. |
I would like to know why the Goverment based its responses on pandemic computer modelling by people with previous form for wildly overstating the risks involved with viral transmissions. Given his previous track record Neil Ferguson should have been nowhere near the decision making process, instead he was front and centre.
We knew that the young, fit and healthy faced a statistically negligible risk from it. The young, fit and healthy should have been allowed to get on with their lives whilst the most "at risk" could have been protected. Instead they used a sledgehammer to crack a peanut.
We also know that the numbers have been wildly fudged. As I've said before, I know of at least three cases where people died of causes completely unrelated to Covid but because they had tested positive in the process they went down as a Covid death. Hard to imagine that not going on basically everywhere in the UK at the time. Any inquiry worth its salt would be investigating that too.
There are questions to answer, but I have little faith that this inquiry has been asking the correct ones. | |
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| The Covid Inquiry on 15:25 - Nov 21 with 1183 views | Boundy |
| The Covid Inquiry on 14:38 - Nov 21 by JACKMANANDBOY |
I would like to know the ages of those who sadly lost their lives and the comorbidities that they may have had at that time. |
My dear mother in law passed away in a nursing home , she was healthy but became infected by other people who brought in in , the memories of how she passed will be a sad memory of someone who shouldn't have died then and how my wife cajoled the care home to allow her time with her and her subsequent burial ,standing like strangers around her grave .The memories and anger are still strong within my family. | |
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| The Covid Inquiry on 15:32 - Nov 21 with 1179 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| The Covid Inquiry on 14:58 - Nov 21 by Dr_Winston |
I would like to know why the Goverment based its responses on pandemic computer modelling by people with previous form for wildly overstating the risks involved with viral transmissions. Given his previous track record Neil Ferguson should have been nowhere near the decision making process, instead he was front and centre.
We knew that the young, fit and healthy faced a statistically negligible risk from it. The young, fit and healthy should have been allowed to get on with their lives whilst the most "at risk" could have been protected. Instead they used a sledgehammer to crack a peanut.
We also know that the numbers have been wildly fudged. As I've said before, I know of at least three cases where people died of causes completely unrelated to Covid but because they had tested positive in the process they went down as a Covid death. Hard to imagine that not going on basically everywhere in the UK at the time. Any inquiry worth its salt would be investigating that too.
There are questions to answer, but I have little faith that this inquiry has been asking the correct ones. |
It’s shocking really how unprepared the government was. It’s always been inevitable that a pandemic would come along at some point but there was no contingency plan at all. Complacency rules supreme. | |
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| The Covid Inquiry on 15:48 - Nov 21 with 1172 views | Dr_Winston |
| The Covid Inquiry on 15:32 - Nov 21 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
It’s shocking really how unprepared the government was. It’s always been inevitable that a pandemic would come along at some point but there was no contingency plan at all. Complacency rules supreme. |
There had been a plan in place for for years to deal with an influenza type virus, which is what everyone expected. That got completely torn up based on the aforementioned models which scared the shit out of everybody.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/uk-pandemic-preparedness/uk-pandemic- | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| The Covid Inquiry on 15:55 - Nov 21 with 1166 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| The Covid Inquiry on 15:25 - Nov 21 by Boundy |
My dear mother in law passed away in a nursing home , she was healthy but became infected by other people who brought in in , the memories of how she passed will be a sad memory of someone who shouldn't have died then and how my wife cajoled the care home to allow her time with her and her subsequent burial ,standing like strangers around her grave .The memories and anger are still strong within my family. |
Sad to hear about your mother, my father passed in a home during Covid. We managed to see him the afternoon before he died. We had a stupid Covid funeral for him, the only consolation is that the farce was in line with my dad's sense of humour and he would have found the whole thing hilarious.
Alongside the age and comorbidities knowing in what setting people died would be helpful. But the basic data is not reported. | |
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| The Covid Inquiry on 16:41 - Nov 21 with 1137 views | onehunglow |
I t was truly a killer virus the like of which we had not dealt with before
Mankind tried to combat it as best it could
Now five yrs on,we ponder how what went wrong and who to blame
the worst aspect of all were those who denied its killer effect and those who dissed the innoculation which set the world back on its feet.
totally exceptional times which our super smart all knowing citizens couldnt accept.We are not as smart as we think we are and nature and luck overides all.
Mankind thinks it can control nature and it cant .
Personally,we saw deaths and births during this period.
Its life and we are nothing compared with the Great Spirit | |
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| The Covid Inquiry on 16:54 - Nov 21 with 1129 views | Gwyn737 |
| The Covid Inquiry on 15:25 - Nov 21 by Boundy |
My dear mother in law passed away in a nursing home , she was healthy but became infected by other people who brought in in , the memories of how she passed will be a sad memory of someone who shouldn't have died then and how my wife cajoled the care home to allow her time with her and her subsequent burial ,standing like strangers around her grave .The memories and anger are still strong within my family. |
It's heartbreaking stories like this that will hopefully mean that posters are consderate of their langauge and tone when discussing events past and present. | | | |
| The Covid Inquiry on 17:08 - Nov 21 with 1121 views | onehunglow |
| The Covid Inquiry on 16:54 - Nov 21 by Gwyn737 |
It's heartbreaking stories like this that will hopefully mean that posters are consderate of their langauge and tone when discussing events past and present. |
indeed.
had a very good friend fall victim to it.
He was one of the first to die whilst we prayed for a jab.
When one came along ,some dismissed it and worse declared it was just a bad flu virus.
Economic health less important than mass deaths | |
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| The Covid Inquiry on 21:24 - Nov 21 with 1039 views | max936 |
All I'll add is that I was and still am grateful for furlow during that time because I was shielding my youngest who was and still his a clinically very vulnerable, his brother his Mam and me have had the blood thing twice, but we have somehow managed to keep him from getting it, when covid started my nerves and stress levels were at breaking point.
Ironically my eldest is convinced that the vaccine is the cause of his Ankylosing spondylitis, he was fine before he had that first vaccine result is that he's got to jab himself every fortnight now and have regular blood tests. |  |
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| The Covid Inquiry on 22:14 - Nov 21 with 990 views | onehunglow |
| The Covid Inquiry on 21:24 - Nov 21 by max936 |
All I'll add is that I was and still am grateful for furlow during that time because I was shielding my youngest who was and still his a clinically very vulnerable, his brother his Mam and me have had the blood thing twice, but we have somehow managed to keep him from getting it, when covid started my nerves and stress levels were at breaking point.
Ironically my eldest is convinced that the vaccine is the cause of his Ankylosing spondylitis, he was fine before he had that first vaccine result is that he's got to jab himself every fortnight now and have regular blood tests. |
But without any vaccine Ste, imagine the deaths
Covid was and is a killer | |
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| The Covid Inquiry on 22:41 - Nov 21 with 977 views | majorraglan |
| The Covid Inquiry on 15:32 - Nov 21 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
It’s shocking really how unprepared the government was. It’s always been inevitable that a pandemic would come along at some point but there was no contingency plan at all. Complacency rules supreme. |
You’re not wrong - we were woefully unprepared.
In 2016 there was an exercise based on an influenza type pandemic called Exercise Cygnus. Results from the exercise identified four main learning points and 22 further recommendations. Dame Sally Davies who was the UK’s Chief Medical Officer had previously raised concerns about about a lack of resources including ventilators and medical beds and she also highlighted concerns about an aging population who would be more susceptible to disease and pandemics. The government buried the report for over 4 years and only published the document after the FOI Commissioner ordered it’s publication n October 2020.
Jeremy Hunt was the Health Secretary at the time of Op Cygnus and Simon Steven’s was the Chief Executive of the NHS. In April 2020, during an interview Hancock on radio Matt Hancock (Health Secretary at the time) said officials informed him that "everything that was recommended has been done".
A considerable amount of the learning and recommendations from Cygnus hadn’t been implemented and we ended up where we were. Shambles and corruption like VIP lanes.
Back in January and early February 2020, a guy I know who worked in Health and Safety for a large organisation developed significant concerns about what was happening in China and how it could impact on his organisation. He took steps to secure PPE, develop safe systems etc well before this became an issue in the U.K. If someone in South Wales can see the issues, you’d think government would too…….. but clearly not because we were totally unprepared. | | | |
| The Covid Inquiry on 22:53 - Nov 21 with 972 views | Boundy |
| The Covid Inquiry on 21:24 - Nov 21 by max936 |
All I'll add is that I was and still am grateful for furlow during that time because I was shielding my youngest who was and still his a clinically very vulnerable, his brother his Mam and me have had the blood thing twice, but we have somehow managed to keep him from getting it, when covid started my nerves and stress levels were at breaking point.
Ironically my eldest is convinced that the vaccine is the cause of his Ankylosing spondylitis, he was fine before he had that first vaccine result is that he's got to jab himself every fortnight now and have regular blood tests. |
I remember you telling us about your difficulties and fears during covid it must have been a terrible time . The trouble with diseases such as Ankylosing spondylitis are that they develop over time and I understand why your eldest would link the vaccine with the development of AS in your youngster and I wouldn't dream of telling anyone that they're wrong because I don't and I suspect many doctors would admit any link. | |
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| The Covid Inquiry on 23:31 - Nov 21 with 954 views | max936 |
| The Covid Inquiry on 22:53 - Nov 21 by Boundy |
I remember you telling us about your difficulties and fears during covid it must have been a terrible time . The trouble with diseases such as Ankylosing spondylitis are that they develop over time and I understand why your eldest would link the vaccine with the development of AS in your youngster and I wouldn't dream of telling anyone that they're wrong because I don't and I suspect many doctors would admit any link. |
Nobody really knows, but the coincidence is remarkable, when he mentioned his thoughts to the rheumatologist she asked him questions around the time of him having that first jab and had anything occurred before the jab, she didn't dismiss his thoughts and she didn't agree, Mrs was with him at that first appointment and she got the impression that the rheumatologist sort of agreed by the way she spoke, but who knows, he's just got to be careful that he doesn't pick up any bugs and germs which is difficult in an office environment where he works, all be it in his own office.
if he does pick up a cold etc he's got to stop injecting himself until he's over it, he only has to inject himself once a fortnight though, he keeps himself fit and trains most days, which helps. [Post edited 21 Nov 23:33]
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| The Covid Inquiry on 09:46 - Nov 22 with 843 views | onehunglow |
| The Covid Inquiry on 23:31 - Nov 21 by max936 |
Nobody really knows, but the coincidence is remarkable, when he mentioned his thoughts to the rheumatologist she asked him questions around the time of him having that first jab and had anything occurred before the jab, she didn't dismiss his thoughts and she didn't agree, Mrs was with him at that first appointment and she got the impression that the rheumatologist sort of agreed by the way she spoke, but who knows, he's just got to be careful that he doesn't pick up any bugs and germs which is difficult in an office environment where he works, all be it in his own office.
if he does pick up a cold etc he's got to stop injecting himself until he's over it, he only has to inject himself once a fortnight though, he keeps himself fit and trains most days, which helps. [Post edited 21 Nov 23:33]
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Good luck to him and your family anyway | |
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| The Covid Inquiry on 13:09 - Nov 22 with 774 views | max936 |
| The Covid Inquiry on 09:46 - Nov 22 by onehunglow |
Good luck to him and your family anyway |
Cheers R | |
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| The Covid Inquiry on 14:05 - Nov 22 with 749 views | hectorshouse |
There were roughly 160,000 excess deaths (ie more than average)from January 2020 to December 2022, the total COVID period. These were not all COVID deaths the would include suicide and cancer patients who weren’t treated due care to Covid, these are lockdown deaths not Covid deaths. Added to that are the thousands of lives ruined by lockdown, children with anxiety and mental health issues, bankruptcies from people who lost their businesses. Also the cost of lockdown and furlough etc to the UK is a big part of why the country is so skint and we are facing large tax rises this week. I would have liked the enquiry to look into what we can learn to ensure that the country never goes into lockdown again. My personal view is that lockdown was a disaster and should never have happened and certainly should never happen again | | | |
| The Covid Inquiry on 14:20 - Nov 22 with 737 views | Dr_Winston |
| The Covid Inquiry on 14:05 - Nov 22 by hectorshouse |
There were roughly 160,000 excess deaths (ie more than average)from January 2020 to December 2022, the total COVID period. These were not all COVID deaths the would include suicide and cancer patients who weren’t treated due care to Covid, these are lockdown deaths not Covid deaths. Added to that are the thousands of lives ruined by lockdown, children with anxiety and mental health issues, bankruptcies from people who lost their businesses. Also the cost of lockdown and furlough etc to the UK is a big part of why the country is so skint and we are facing large tax rises this week. I would have liked the enquiry to look into what we can learn to ensure that the country never goes into lockdown again. My personal view is that lockdown was a disaster and should never have happened and certainly should never happen again |
This is precisely the problem. The Inquiry appears to have just accepted the necessity for lockdowns as a given and proceeded along those lines.
Even now it appears that the establishment are desperate to avoid acknowleding the damage done to the economy, the development and mental health of our children, and our society as a whole by shutting down.
Maybe I'm wrong and at some point we'll find out that it has looked into how many people died, for example, as a result of delayed cancer treatment. I'm not holding my breath though. | |
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| The Covid Inquiry on 14:21 - Nov 22 with 737 views | onehunglow |
| The Covid Inquiry on 14:05 - Nov 22 by hectorshouse |
There were roughly 160,000 excess deaths (ie more than average)from January 2020 to December 2022, the total COVID period. These were not all COVID deaths the would include suicide and cancer patients who weren’t treated due care to Covid, these are lockdown deaths not Covid deaths. Added to that are the thousands of lives ruined by lockdown, children with anxiety and mental health issues, bankruptcies from people who lost their businesses. Also the cost of lockdown and furlough etc to the UK is a big part of why the country is so skint and we are facing large tax rises this week. I would have liked the enquiry to look into what we can learn to ensure that the country never goes into lockdown again. My personal view is that lockdown was a disaster and should never have happened and certainly should never happen again |
So you don’t accept Covid was a mass killer
And also that close contact didn’t spread it
Lockdown should have been much earlier and enforced
When restrictions on force, selfish bastards swanning around in stores as they “ had mental health issues”
Mental health issues is a much misused phrase | |
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