| Devolution Debate on 20:07 - Dec 19 with 778 views | Scotia |
| Devolution Debate on 19:53 - Dec 18 by Kilkennyjack |
I have already answered.
22. The current Prince of Wales has had no investiture. Are you stuck in 1969 or something ?
I may have used poetic licence around the Swans and Wales …. But i enjoyed them both so …..
You are especially wrong about the Future Generations initiative, its as well as current needs.
Well done for the reply though, you are one crazy dude. |
The future generations act is a well intentioned piece of legislation. Unfortunately it's completely and utterly useless.
All public bodies have to consider it, but it's not associated with any regulation. So guess what happens if the public bodies ignore it? Absolutely nothing.
So guess how much public bodies consider it? |  | |  |
| Devolution Debate on 20:19 - Dec 19 with 763 views | Scotia |
| Devolution Debate on 18:54 - Dec 19 by SullutaCreturned |
Hang on, Welsh Labour got 443,047 votes but there are 2,307,900 registered voters.
That means that over 1.85 million of us have every right to moan. They didn't get a majority either, the needed Plaid to shore them up.
The truth is that the only people we have to vote for aren't worth voting for. We need better people, we need change. it's that simple. |
But it was in Plaids manifesto too (because they're basically the same party) and they got about 250000 votes..
The turnout was about 47%. So it could be said that about 1.2 million people either didn't care about the 20mph speed limit or turned down a clear opportunity to stop it coming in to force.
Moaning about a democratically elected government introducing a manifesto pledge when 53% of the electorate didn't even bother voting makes us look stupid. | | | |
| Devolution Debate on 21:09 - Dec 19 with 728 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Devolution Debate on 17:51 - Dec 19 by Boundy |
You have nothing to add to the thread except personal attacks which just sums up a intellectually barren mind . [Post edited 19 Dec 2023 18:14]
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I tell you what then …. you tell us how you know so much about these 200 countries and i’ll edit my post accordingly.
It not a personal attack to suggest your post is just a guess. |  |
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| Devolution Debate on 21:23 - Dec 19 with 703 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Devolution Debate on 18:03 - Dec 19 by SgorioFruit |
it all boils down to these three factors...
1. if these corrupt, nasty, self service conservatives continue to try govern the UK.
2. Or the next party who wins the general election is just as bad as what the conservatives have been.
3. If Cymru actually allows a independence referendum
then we will be looking at an Independent Cymru.
That might not go down too well with the haters and the dic sion dafydds on here, but it will be a reality.
Will an indy Cymru work out for the best? Time will tell. But it will be a reality.
Have a good evening everyone,
Nos Da Pawb
SgorioFruit out!!!! |
Absolutely inevitable.
Some of the more mature posters on here simply lap up the BBC and the UK MSM as they have always done.
The papers are owned by non tax paying right wing super rich.
The BBC has been bowed and is just an arm of the rabid Tory government - we know why they are closing Newsnight down. Debate is unhelpful.
The young dont watch the BBC or take the papers.
They can think for themselves.
They are social media savvy.
The future belongs to the young, and they know Indy is normal. | |
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| Devolution Debate on 21:26 - Dec 19 with 686 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Devolution Debate on 20:07 - Dec 19 by Scotia |
The future generations act is a well intentioned piece of legislation. Unfortunately it's completely and utterly useless.
All public bodies have to consider it, but it's not associated with any regulation. So guess what happens if the public bodies ignore it? Absolutely nothing.
So guess how much public bodies consider it? |
Theew is an awful lot of international interest and copying going on …. so i am not sure that you are entirely correct. | |
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| Devolution Debate on 21:27 - Dec 19 with 687 views | Flashberryjack |
| Devolution Debate on 20:19 - Dec 19 by Scotia |
But it was in Plaids manifesto too (because they're basically the same party) and they got about 250000 votes..
The turnout was about 47%. So it could be said that about 1.2 million people either didn't care about the 20mph speed limit or turned down a clear opportunity to stop it coming in to force.
Moaning about a democratically elected government introducing a manifesto pledge when 53% of the electorate didn't even bother voting makes us look stupid. |
"53% of the electorate didn't even bother voting makes us look stupid"
Maybe it's only now hitting home with people just what a shower shyte we have running Wales, I wouldn't mind betting that voting figures will be significantly up at the next Welsh elections. |  |
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| Devolution Debate on 21:32 - Dec 19 with 681 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Devolution Debate on 09:39 - Dec 19 by Boundy |
And I have to disagree with you , partly because I have no other interest in comparing countries halfway across the world whose democratic process in part bares no resemblance to ours .Why is the f defence of the governing political party always reverts back to, well its worse in England so on and soon. I agree the current Tory government is not fit for purpose with many despicable acts been carried out and the less said about Johnson and his ilk the better. But that doesn't excuse the acts carried out by a Labour run government with future policy's and decisions yet to be introduced which will directly affect everyday lives of the people its supposed to protect.
Since I can remember I have always believed that a socialist party would be the best for the majority of this country but as time progressed and my naivety was overcome with a better understanding how the world worked my cynicism towards politics has grown.
The current Welsh Labour party bears absolutely no comparison to the one my grand parents , parents and initially myself believed and voted for, , this is now a party driven by dogma without joined up thinking , totally focussed on what IT believes in and not what's best for its citizens .
One thing you can say about the Y Tories is you know what you'll get, they have not changed in all of its existence , can you say the same about Labour? |
Johnsons Brexiteers drove out the One Nation Tories in 2019.
Todays Tories are BNP light, wrapped in the same union flag and hating on migrants.
Leaving europe after 40 years of relative concensus should also have been a clue to you that the Tories have indeed changed.
I struggle to believe that you failed to notice. | |
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| Devolution Debate on 21:35 - Dec 19 with 680 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Devolution Debate on 21:27 - Dec 19 by Flashberryjack |
"53% of the electorate didn't even bother voting makes us look stupid"
Maybe it's only now hitting home with people just what a shower shyte we have running Wales, I wouldn't mind betting that voting figures will be significantly up at the next Welsh elections. |
And yet still better than London rule.
Public sector net debt (PSND ex) was £2,599.0 billion at the end of September 2023 and was provisionally estimated at around 97.8% of the UK's annual gross domestic product (GDP); this is 2.1 percentage points higher than in September 2022 and continues at levels last seen in the early 1960s.
The UK performance is hard not to beat. | |
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| Devolution Debate on 22:23 - Dec 19 with 648 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Devolution Debate on 21:35 - Dec 19 by Kilkennyjack |
And yet still better than London rule.
Public sector net debt (PSND ex) was £2,599.0 billion at the end of September 2023 and was provisionally estimated at around 97.8% of the UK's annual gross domestic product (GDP); this is 2.1 percentage points higher than in September 2022 and continues at levels last seen in the early 1960s.
The UK performance is hard not to beat. |
Actually the UK has followed a trend of developed countries of tripling it's debt since the 2008 financial crisis.
The US, Spain, Italy, France etc. have higher debt rations.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/debt-to-gdp-ratio-by-country |  |
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| Devolution Debate on 07:39 - Dec 20 with 611 views | Scotia |
| Devolution Debate on 21:26 - Dec 19 by Kilkennyjack |
Theew is an awful lot of international interest and copying going on …. so i am not sure that you are entirely correct. |
As I said, it's well intentioned but useless.
Others are copying but will do it better. It's not hard to improve.
The legislation sums up the Senedd. A nice idea, but poorly implemented and ignored. | | | |
| Devolution Debate on 18:42 - Dec 20 with 540 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Devolution Debate on 20:19 - Dec 19 by Scotia |
But it was in Plaids manifesto too (because they're basically the same party) and they got about 250000 votes..
The turnout was about 47%. So it could be said that about 1.2 million people either didn't care about the 20mph speed limit or turned down a clear opportunity to stop it coming in to force.
Moaning about a democratically elected government introducing a manifesto pledge when 53% of the electorate didn't even bother voting makes us look stupid. |
That just backs up my point really. How many of those who didnt vote or who voted different to Plaid or Labour knew what was in those manifesto's?
1.2 million are disenfranchised from politics so have nothing to do with it and don't look at manifesto's, why would they if they are not going to vote?
Then it was 773,000 against 320,000 who voted other ways and more people signed that petition than voted for Drakefords lot too.
Moaning about a democratically elected government is what people do in a democratic country. | | | |
| Devolution Debate on 20:26 - Dec 20 with 511 views | Scotia |
| Devolution Debate on 18:42 - Dec 20 by SullutaCreturned |
That just backs up my point really. How many of those who didnt vote or who voted different to Plaid or Labour knew what was in those manifesto's?
1.2 million are disenfranchised from politics so have nothing to do with it and don't look at manifesto's, why would they if they are not going to vote?
Then it was 773,000 against 320,000 who voted other ways and more people signed that petition than voted for Drakefords lot too.
Moaning about a democratically elected government is what people do in a democratic country. |
That's the crux of the problem. Most votes for constituency MPs/MSs don't count.
Our politicians don't care because most of them are in a safe career until retirement on a full salary pension.
It has to change.
At least we've got a slightly better system than the US though. | | | |
| Devolution Debate on 11:46 - Dec 26 with 410 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Devolution Debate on 20:26 - Dec 20 by Scotia |
That's the crux of the problem. Most votes for constituency MPs/MSs don't count.
Our politicians don't care because most of them are in a safe career until retirement on a full salary pension.
It has to change.
At least we've got a slightly better system than the US though. |
Well maybe not in Wales when Drakeford gets his way.
What happens with all these extra members? Are they making extra constituencies, extra regions? How will it work?
Drakeford is just gerrymandering, trying to ensure that Labour will always have a majority without any help from Plaid. | | | |
| Devolution Debate on 12:31 - Dec 26 with 404 views | BryanSwan |
| Devolution Debate on 11:46 - Dec 26 by SullutaCreturned |
Well maybe not in Wales when Drakeford gets his way.
What happens with all these extra members? Are they making extra constituencies, extra regions? How will it work?
Drakeford is just gerrymandering, trying to ensure that Labour will always have a majority without any help from Plaid. |
The new members will be elected via the electoral list which is done so through proportional representation. Which should make the system even more representative of the voters (Not that i felt the need for the increase mind you, but it would be more balanced). | |
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| Devolution Debate on 13:59 - Dec 26 with 382 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Devolution Debate on 12:31 - Dec 26 by BryanSwan |
The new members will be elected via the electoral list which is done so through proportional representation. Which should make the system even more representative of the voters (Not that i felt the need for the increase mind you, but it would be more balanced). |
Well not quite, the new members will be chosen by the party leader, he will choose who gets what seat AFTER the election.
It is an assault on representative democracy, we are not voting for ur representative, we are voting for the party.
I hope it backfires spectacularly. | | | |
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