| Patience (with added duck) 13:47 - Aug 11 with 4767 views | Superhoop83 |
None of us has the faintest idea how we are going to fare this season - it could be great, it could be a disaster - but it is beyond ridiculous to be writing off Chris Ramsey after one game of the season, especially when certain factors (the farcical friendly arrangements and the club's inability to sell some of its assets) have nothing to do with him.
I doubt there is a single fan who doesn't have reservations about CR's ability to become a good manager - I know I do - but we are all getting sucked into the modern curses of expectation and hype, thanks in large part to Sky and their money making machine.
During the Preston v Boro game the commentator wondered out loud whether either team would score "a priceless goal". Priceless? Really?
Saturday's result was a big disappointment but the main reason for it seems to have been lack of match fitness on a hot day. None of us would have picked a massively different team. As much as I rate Faurlin, he absolutely has to be eased back in and if CR hadn't selected Austin, he'd have been berated for it. The team was well on top until Charlton scored (with some assistance from Green) and then the fitness issues and the heat kicked in.
The booing of Charlie Austin only reflects how stupid some fans can be but - and I know it's been said before - we absolutely have to give the new management regime time. With the exception of the usual experts on this board, we have all been pretty optimistic about the coming season. Things are definitely moving in the right direction for a club of our size and we have a good number of young players who really want to be here. Long may that continue.
I suggest we all wait and see how things are going by the end of August before we draw any conclusions, even if that's much easier said than done for many, myself included! [Post edited 11 Aug 2015 15:09]
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| Patience on 13:50 - Aug 11 with 3967 views | TheBlob |
I'm sorry but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it's a duck.It ain't ever going to become a swan. |  |
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| Patience on 13:53 - Aug 11 with 3931 views | Toast_R |
| Patience on 13:50 - Aug 11 by TheBlob |
I'm sorry but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it's a duck.It ain't ever going to become a swan. |
So are you saying then that he'll be out for a Duck? |  | | |
| Patience on 13:54 - Aug 11 with 3929 views | bosh67 |
Whereas there is no need for panic, lose heavily tonight and the pressure is already on! |  |
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| Patience on 13:59 - Aug 11 with 3900 views | TheBlob |
| Patience on 13:53 - Aug 11 by Toast_R |
So are you saying then that he'll be out for a Duck? |
Or served up with an orange up his arse. | |
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| Patience on 14:03 - Aug 11 with 3866 views | daveB |
Totally agree that fans need to show patience but we are going to need to see a few decent results for that to happen. If we lose the next few then he's in trouble, that shouldn't be the case but the pressure will be huge and plenty already want him gone. |  | | |
| Patience on 14:08 - Aug 11 with 3846 views | Mytch_QPR |
Good post - and sums up the madness of modern football, with people looking at the league table after one game.
Most people wanted Harry out - it was done. Many said give CR a chance after the Sunderland win. Most accepted we were unlikely to stay up - especially after the Chelsea game. On the whole, most posters on this board indicated they wanted to see an end to high value players who were in it for a last pay day, and the club appear to now be following this more sustainable approach.
I don't have high expectations for this season and I didn't go to Charlton so won't comment on formation / performance. Give it 6 games then we'll see where we are. Losing can become a habit - but you could say the same about winning. |  |
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| Patience on 14:35 - Aug 11 with 3797 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Patience on 13:50 - Aug 11 by TheBlob |
I'm sorry but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it's a duck.It ain't ever going to become a swan. |
What's wrong with a duck? It swims all right. It can waggle its bum in the air while sifting for food under water. The female has a gorgeous blue rectangle in her plumage, like a great sapphire ring on her wing, shining out amidst the soft, mottled shades of brown that make up her friendly, reassuring appearance. The male is magnificent, of course - a beautiful beast with a defiantly yellow bill, a head sculpted from emerald and a cheeky white ring around his smooth neck. They live happy, contented lives, they love babies, they like to eat bread. They can fly *and* swim. My God, the greatest of all of us, the incomparable Daffy, was a duck. And proud of it. There ain't no wisecracking, flamboyant, multi-talented, pig-baiting, ludicrously lovable *swan* in the world. Anywhere. And no one ever got their arm broken by a duck. Ducks are truly one of God's finest creations, sadly overlooked, even sneered at, by thuggish ignorants like you, who dismiss them as somehow inferior to the swan!
The swan for God's sake! Arrogant. Moody. Thinks it's better than it is because it has the Queen's protection. That's the swan, forever running off to dear old Liz, cowering behind her tiny, frail body, pointing with trembling wing at some pathetic 'danger' or other. A fox. A giant pike. A Romanian. A craven monarchist, happy to collude with the rich and the powerful, privately lobbying for years to have ducks exterminated so they can have their precious lakes to themselves. Awful, awful animals, with their serene appearance on water desperately hiding what's underneath: thunderously paddling, ugly webbed feet. Underneath it all, you see, they are the same as all the other waterfowl. They just can't admit it. Because they're ass-holes. And, fundamentally, they are con artists. All white, with a bit of orange on the edges - Birdlike Grand Wizards. Well la-dee-da, don't you all look swell? So pristine, so pure. As if butter wouldn't melt in your bill. But it wouldn't, would it? Because you lot are ice cold b!tches.
But where is your emerald, swan? Where is your sapphire? You know you don't have the class of the duck and that's what eats you up, isn't it? That's what keeps you awake at night. Nouveau riche, uptight, sneery, bow-necked tw@ts, the lot of you.
So CR is a duck - and not a lame one just yet. I'll take that. I think Chris would too. Our duck. Come on you ducking RRRSSSSS! |  |
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| Patience on 14:49 - Aug 11 with 3753 views | hopphoops |
is his goose cooked, that's what i want to know. |  |
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| Patience on 14:54 - Aug 11 with 3744 views | Mytch_QPR |
| Patience on 14:35 - Aug 11 by Antti_Heinola |
What's wrong with a duck? It swims all right. It can waggle its bum in the air while sifting for food under water. The female has a gorgeous blue rectangle in her plumage, like a great sapphire ring on her wing, shining out amidst the soft, mottled shades of brown that make up her friendly, reassuring appearance. The male is magnificent, of course - a beautiful beast with a defiantly yellow bill, a head sculpted from emerald and a cheeky white ring around his smooth neck. They live happy, contented lives, they love babies, they like to eat bread. They can fly *and* swim. My God, the greatest of all of us, the incomparable Daffy, was a duck. And proud of it. There ain't no wisecracking, flamboyant, multi-talented, pig-baiting, ludicrously lovable *swan* in the world. Anywhere. And no one ever got their arm broken by a duck. Ducks are truly one of God's finest creations, sadly overlooked, even sneered at, by thuggish ignorants like you, who dismiss them as somehow inferior to the swan!
The swan for God's sake! Arrogant. Moody. Thinks it's better than it is because it has the Queen's protection. That's the swan, forever running off to dear old Liz, cowering behind her tiny, frail body, pointing with trembling wing at some pathetic 'danger' or other. A fox. A giant pike. A Romanian. A craven monarchist, happy to collude with the rich and the powerful, privately lobbying for years to have ducks exterminated so they can have their precious lakes to themselves. Awful, awful animals, with their serene appearance on water desperately hiding what's underneath: thunderously paddling, ugly webbed feet. Underneath it all, you see, they are the same as all the other waterfowl. They just can't admit it. Because they're ass-holes. And, fundamentally, they are con artists. All white, with a bit of orange on the edges - Birdlike Grand Wizards. Well la-dee-da, don't you all look swell? So pristine, so pure. As if butter wouldn't melt in your bill. But it wouldn't, would it? Because you lot are ice cold b!tches.
But where is your emerald, swan? Where is your sapphire? You know you don't have the class of the duck and that's what eats you up, isn't it? That's what keeps you awake at night. Nouveau riche, uptight, sneery, bow-necked tw@ts, the lot of you.
So CR is a duck - and not a lame one just yet. I'll take that. I think Chris would too. Our duck. Come on you ducking RRRSSSSS! |
There once was an ugly duckling,
With players all knackered and down.
All the fans, after just one game said:
'Get out of town'.
All through the Autumn he toiled away,
Ashamed to show his face, afraid of what others might say.
Then came a run of wins - and half way up the league,
Till a flock of fans spied him there and very soon agreed,
You’re a very fine swan indeed!
A swan? Me a swan? Ah, go on! | |
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| Patience on 14:57 - Aug 11 with 3735 views | fakekerby |
| Patience on 14:03 - Aug 11 by daveB |
Totally agree that fans need to show patience but we are going to need to see a few decent results for that to happen. If we lose the next few then he's in trouble, that shouldn't be the case but the pressure will be huge and plenty already want him gone. |
Experienced managers who have succeeded elsewhere deserve and have earned the right to not be judged so quickly, but you can't give somebody with no experience 40 games to get it right just for the sake of being patient. |  | | |
| Patience on 15:00 - Aug 11 with 3726 views | daveB |
| Patience on 14:57 - Aug 11 by fakekerby |
Experienced managers who have succeeded elsewhere deserve and have earned the right to not be judged so quickly, but you can't give somebody with no experience 40 games to get it right just for the sake of being patient. |
wouldn't suggest giving him 40 games if it's not working but he should get a bare minimum of 10.
Also managers with no experience probably need longer to help gain experience whilst more experienced managers shouldn't be making same mistakes as they are supposed to have learnt from them | | | |
| Patience on 15:05 - Aug 11 with 3709 views | FredManRave |
| Patience on 14:35 - Aug 11 by Antti_Heinola |
What's wrong with a duck? It swims all right. It can waggle its bum in the air while sifting for food under water. The female has a gorgeous blue rectangle in her plumage, like a great sapphire ring on her wing, shining out amidst the soft, mottled shades of brown that make up her friendly, reassuring appearance. The male is magnificent, of course - a beautiful beast with a defiantly yellow bill, a head sculpted from emerald and a cheeky white ring around his smooth neck. They live happy, contented lives, they love babies, they like to eat bread. They can fly *and* swim. My God, the greatest of all of us, the incomparable Daffy, was a duck. And proud of it. There ain't no wisecracking, flamboyant, multi-talented, pig-baiting, ludicrously lovable *swan* in the world. Anywhere. And no one ever got their arm broken by a duck. Ducks are truly one of God's finest creations, sadly overlooked, even sneered at, by thuggish ignorants like you, who dismiss them as somehow inferior to the swan!
The swan for God's sake! Arrogant. Moody. Thinks it's better than it is because it has the Queen's protection. That's the swan, forever running off to dear old Liz, cowering behind her tiny, frail body, pointing with trembling wing at some pathetic 'danger' or other. A fox. A giant pike. A Romanian. A craven monarchist, happy to collude with the rich and the powerful, privately lobbying for years to have ducks exterminated so they can have their precious lakes to themselves. Awful, awful animals, with their serene appearance on water desperately hiding what's underneath: thunderously paddling, ugly webbed feet. Underneath it all, you see, they are the same as all the other waterfowl. They just can't admit it. Because they're ass-holes. And, fundamentally, they are con artists. All white, with a bit of orange on the edges - Birdlike Grand Wizards. Well la-dee-da, don't you all look swell? So pristine, so pure. As if butter wouldn't melt in your bill. But it wouldn't, would it? Because you lot are ice cold b!tches.
But where is your emerald, swan? Where is your sapphire? You know you don't have the class of the duck and that's what eats you up, isn't it? That's what keeps you awake at night. Nouveau riche, uptight, sneery, bow-necked tw@ts, the lot of you.
So CR is a duck - and not a lame one just yet. I'll take that. I think Chris would too. Our duck. Come on you ducking RRRSSSSS! |
And what do you do if you don't like duck?! |  |
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| Patience on 15:07 - Aug 11 with 3706 views | CamberleyR |
| Patience on 15:05 - Aug 11 by FredManRave |
And what do you do if you don't like duck?! |
"Ah, well, if you don't like duck, uhhh, you're rather stuck!" [Post edited 11 Aug 2015 15:10]
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| Patience on 15:20 - Aug 11 with 3655 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Patience on 14:57 - Aug 11 by fakekerby |
Experienced managers who have succeeded elsewhere deserve and have earned the right to not be judged so quickly, but you can't give somebody with no experience 40 games to get it right just for the sake of being patient. |
Like Hughes you mean? | |
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| Patience on 17:11 - Aug 11 with 3552 views | TheBlob |
| Patience on 14:35 - Aug 11 by Antti_Heinola |
What's wrong with a duck? It swims all right. It can waggle its bum in the air while sifting for food under water. The female has a gorgeous blue rectangle in her plumage, like a great sapphire ring on her wing, shining out amidst the soft, mottled shades of brown that make up her friendly, reassuring appearance. The male is magnificent, of course - a beautiful beast with a defiantly yellow bill, a head sculpted from emerald and a cheeky white ring around his smooth neck. They live happy, contented lives, they love babies, they like to eat bread. They can fly *and* swim. My God, the greatest of all of us, the incomparable Daffy, was a duck. And proud of it. There ain't no wisecracking, flamboyant, multi-talented, pig-baiting, ludicrously lovable *swan* in the world. Anywhere. And no one ever got their arm broken by a duck. Ducks are truly one of God's finest creations, sadly overlooked, even sneered at, by thuggish ignorants like you, who dismiss them as somehow inferior to the swan!
The swan for God's sake! Arrogant. Moody. Thinks it's better than it is because it has the Queen's protection. That's the swan, forever running off to dear old Liz, cowering behind her tiny, frail body, pointing with trembling wing at some pathetic 'danger' or other. A fox. A giant pike. A Romanian. A craven monarchist, happy to collude with the rich and the powerful, privately lobbying for years to have ducks exterminated so they can have their precious lakes to themselves. Awful, awful animals, with their serene appearance on water desperately hiding what's underneath: thunderously paddling, ugly webbed feet. Underneath it all, you see, they are the same as all the other waterfowl. They just can't admit it. Because they're ass-holes. And, fundamentally, they are con artists. All white, with a bit of orange on the edges - Birdlike Grand Wizards. Well la-dee-da, don't you all look swell? So pristine, so pure. As if butter wouldn't melt in your bill. But it wouldn't, would it? Because you lot are ice cold b!tches.
But where is your emerald, swan? Where is your sapphire? You know you don't have the class of the duck and that's what eats you up, isn't it? That's what keeps you awake at night. Nouveau riche, uptight, sneery, bow-necked tw@ts, the lot of you.
So CR is a duck - and not a lame one just yet. I'll take that. I think Chris would too. Our duck. Come on you ducking RRRSSSSS! |
You've been at the turps again haven't you.How many times have I told you it's antti-freeze with poultry. | |
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| Patience (with added duck) on 17:25 - Aug 11 with 3535 views | TacticalR |
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| Patience (with added duck) on 17:59 - Aug 11 with 3474 views | Suffolk |
I am not expecting promotion this year (I will be happy with mid table) but do expect to see the team improve over the coming months. I believe that Ramsey will produce a team that plays attractive football but I know that for many of our fans that this will not be enough. Flavio's disciples will settle for nothing less than promotion. I just hope that we beat Yeovil tonight or Ramsey could be ducked already. |  | | |
| Patience (with added duck) on 18:17 - Aug 11 with 3441 views | Dorse |
It's all about technique...
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| Patience on 19:22 - Aug 11 with 3371 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Patience on 15:00 - Aug 11 by daveB |
wouldn't suggest giving him 40 games if it's not working but he should get a bare minimum of 10.
Also managers with no experience probably need longer to help gain experience whilst more experienced managers shouldn't be making same mistakes as they are supposed to have learnt from them |
Managers with zero experience should not be learning their trade at a premier league / championship club. They should start at the bottom of the pyramid and earn their stripes.
If we must insist on conducting a social experiment, why did Les not interview the likes of Hasselbaink or Powell? At least they have experience. [Post edited 11 Aug 2015 19:23]
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| Patience on 19:38 - Aug 11 with 3343 views | Maggsinho |
| Patience on 19:22 - Aug 11 by Benny_the_Ball |
Managers with zero experience should not be learning their trade at a premier league / championship club. They should start at the bottom of the pyramid and earn their stripes.
If we must insist on conducting a social experiment, why did Les not interview the likes of Hasselbaink or Powell? At least they have experience. [Post edited 11 Aug 2015 19:23]
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Erm.
Are you claiming that the club is conducting a social experiment by having a black manager? |  | | |
| Patience (with added duck) on 21:30 - Aug 11 with 3291 views | Ingham |
Good posts, I think, right from the top.
Had the Club told us - and this goes back decades - that they were signing poor quality players, poor quality managers, and the people running the Club would make poor decisions more or less continously, we couldn't fault them for getting it right.
Now they're in the position of the boy who cried wolf. Except they don't cry wolf - even though wolf is practically invariably what we get - they tell us that this time things will be all right.
They can't go on doing this (although there is no reason to think that they won't). Each time they are proved wrong, faith in their judgement diminishes FURTHER. As each manager is dismissed, they demonstrate their OWN lack of faith in their judgement.
Why should we stick up for them when none of them sticks up for the others? Managers discard players, players conspicuously let managers take the rap for their own abysmal performances, chairmen sack, sack, sack - blaming someone else for their own shortcomings, and demonstrating as they do so how worthless their judgements and decisions are.
If they can't stick by managers and stick by the squad they have until it proves itself, why should we? They seem to decide quickly enough that a manager or squad doesn't have what it takes. We have a new squad practically every year, a new manager practically every year.
And for the Board to say they learned their lesson is not an excuse they can go on using year in and year out. Just as they can't go on asking us to give them time. Time to do WHAT, exactly?
It is not as if they are our comrades in arms, loyal to the Club. The poor quality players will get the elbow, so loyalty hardly makes sense from their point of view, and the good ones, well, once they have a name they can trade on, we don't see them for dust, as a rule.
Personally, I'm happy not to have any expectations of the manager and the squad, but that means what it says. I don't know what our results will be, but I only HOPE they'll be good. I don't endorse the manager or the players because it doesn't make sense, any more than it would make
sense to BELIEVE that oncoming oncoming traffic won't suddenly veer into my path when I'm driving and smash me up. I merely hope they won't.
We can go on hoping, as we always do, but that isn't a reason to go on denying logic, common sense, and decades of experience. Or to put the onus on supporters to 'get behind them'. If they want credibility, let them earn it. Admittedly it is very difficult for them to do that now, because even in this league, they are all paid so much to fail.
There is nothing wrong at the Supporter end of the Club, whether we are critical or whatever our opinions are.
If it is wrong to hammer the manager after one game, I'm not sure I see any need to defend him. There is no need to be abusive, but he knows as well as we do that his ONLY ticket to a future here or, long term, at any other Club, is good performances and results.
If any of them feel this is asking too much, they might consider being more frank about their own shortcomings, and not feeding us all the feelgood and keep the faith and upbeat stuff.
After all, it is laughable, at a Club where directors have been talking about a huge new stadium, the Champions League (Bhatia), and Fernandes's 'world class talent', and where the cost of all their mistakes are charged, not to the people making them, but to the Club, to ask if supporter expectations are too high.
If there wasn't the sober criticism and, to an extent, frank disbelief of what we are told, and what it is insinuated we should believe in, where would we find even the most basic sanity?
They might do worse than do what beginners should do, and learn the game. I've never noticed any enthusiasm, especially in QPR boardrooms, for anything so honest, sensible, and respectful to those who have REAL talent in the game, from whom they MIGHT actually learn something.
The impression the directors gave when they arrived was that QPR was too small, too unsuccessful, had inadequate support and finances. It seemed to escape their notice that there was a reason for that. That nobody in the Boardroom ever had the talent to make the Club, bigger, better or more successful. Only Gregory really changed things on the pitch, but the size of the Club altered scarcely at all.
Winning matches, over and over again, year in year out, can change everything, certainly it can. But it is the hardest thing of all to do. Not the first thing that beginners can reassure us about.
Supporter criticism has proved much nearer to the reality of what the Club is, and what the people representing it are capable of, than their own self-promoting wishful thinking.
It is time they learned from us. And saw themselves as they really are. Those supporters are right who think we should get behind the Club, but backing people who serially let QPR down, one way or the other, culpably or not, is not getting behind the Club.
They can win. Or they can be honest about their inability to do so. Especially if they can provide SOME evidence that there are genuine improvements taking place. So far, there are only the same old same old reassurances.
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| Patience on 00:52 - Aug 12 with 3180 views | PunteR |
| Patience on 19:22 - Aug 11 by Benny_the_Ball |
Managers with zero experience should not be learning their trade at a premier league / championship club. They should start at the bottom of the pyramid and earn their stripes.
If we must insist on conducting a social experiment, why did Les not interview the likes of Hasselbaink or Powell? At least they have experience. [Post edited 11 Aug 2015 19:23]
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Ramsey is head coach,he's been coaching for years.
Ferdinand is fully qualified to be DOF plus has an added bonus of being a player at the top level ,a coach at a top level and a player for QPR .
Would you rather Hasselbank or Powell?
Where's the bottom of the pyramid? League 2? Conference? How many managers start off in the conference and work their way up to premier league.?
Proper wum.
"social experiment"?
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around here its going to be a long season with us looking over are shoulders at the bottom 5/8 teams 
