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Sorry, Pinner, I don't agree with that. Whilst there are some people that generally take a cynical view of life, in this particular case the criticism is justified and supported by facts.
The WF project was announced way back in spring 2012. True, the club had to fight legal challenges but the final legal hurdle was overcome in 2018. In November 2018 Hoos revealed that preparatory work had been completed in advance and he expected building work to commence in early 2019. Roll forward 15 months, no work has taken place and the club are painting a different picture. In the meantime, other clubs have managed to progress and complete infrastructure projects with a minimum of fuss.
Bear in mind too that FFP plays no part in the delay as infrastructure expenditure is exempt from FFP scrutiny. It also didn't escape me that Tony threatened to ditch the WF project unless QPR succeeded in their attempts to secure a stadium. This makes no sense as the 2 projects are mutually exclusive and WF is ready to develop now whilst the stadium is currently little more than an idea.
Given the challenges that the club has had to overcome, I would've thought that QPR would press ahead the moment that they received the green light in 2018. Instead, further delays have enabled the opposition to regroup, re-gather momentum and investigate other lines of challenge.
Now I'm generally a positive person but I have serious doubts about Warren Farm. I sincerely hope that I'm wrong and this turns out to be little more than PR mismanagement. However in the absence of concrete evidence to the contrary I simply can not ignore these facts in favour of blind optimism or the latest snippet from the club.
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To be fair to Pinner he did say this after..
On this particular subject I agree there are grounds for scepticism!
Which does sort of contradict what he said previously but hey ho. We're all just fans with opinions trying to join the dots and muddle our way through the world of QPR.
Warren Farm is mentioned in the latest set of accounts.
"With regard to the Training Ground at Warren Farm, the Club is currently working towards discharging all the pre-commencement conditions as set out under the planning permission granted by Ealing Council. The intention is to then commence site clearance work and construction of the new training ground for the first team and academy. The facility will also include community facilities and a comprehensive community sport programme, which will significantly improve the local residents’ access to sport."
Warren Farm is mentioned in the latest set of accounts.
"With regard to the Training Ground at Warren Farm, the Club is currently working towards discharging all the pre-commencement conditions as set out under the planning permission granted by Ealing Council. The intention is to then commence site clearance work and construction of the new training ground for the first team and academy. The facility will also include community facilities and a comprehensive community sport programme, which will significantly improve the local residents’ access to sport."
I must be getting more cynical as i get older but inserting the word "intention" seems a bit of a safety net word. Maybe thats just me. Otherwise all sounds positive.
Absolutely! I don't know who is in charge of PR at QPR but that Kilburn Times article and the thought - or lack of it - behind it is shocking. I was a PR Manager until recently and I would be thoroughly embarrassed to be in any way involved with an article or announcement like that.
Look, I have leapt to the owners' defence time and again but they are fully aware that fans are desperate - desperate - to know what is going on with our oft-trumpeted infrastructure projects. There have been umpteen tweets, to the club and every senior employee at Rangers, asking for a progress update or bemoaning the lack of one.
Whether WF is Les' responsibility or not, the very least the club - well, the board, to be precise - should have done prior to the interview was to give him a short, clear and unambiguous statement on what the status of the project is. It's called communicating in a professional manner. If such a statement could not be produced in time, our head of communications should have postponed the interview.
Instead, they have given us a blue and white hooped Rosetta stone. It's poor and not only will the content they have provided further rile our weary fans, so will the unprofessional way in which they have delivered it.
Opportunity missed.
Have you known the club's comms dept to pass up an opportunity for positive spin in recent years? It was only the other day they were being criticised for the BOS and Manning renewals being too flimsy a pretext. I don't buy it. They're dying to give us weekly shovelling updates.
If I had to speculate then there is a delay (such as an additional environment survey) they are being scrupulous about letting run its course without prejudicing it publicly or bringing down too much attention and risking sensationalism and entrenchment.
Warren Farm is mentioned in the latest set of accounts.
"With regard to the Training Ground at Warren Farm, the Club is currently working towards discharging all the pre-commencement conditions as set out under the planning permission granted by Ealing Council. The intention is to then commence site clearance work and construction of the new training ground for the first team and academy. The facility will also include community facilities and a comprehensive community sport programme, which will significantly improve the local residents’ access to sport."
"is currently working towards discharging all the pre-commencement conditions as set out under the planning permission granted by Ealing Council"
This is what we have been hoping is true, and now they are saying that it is.
These conditions
(a) have to be discharged pre-commencement, and (b) could only have been done after planning was granted.
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
On this particular subject I agree there are grounds for scepticism!
Which does sort of contradict what he said previously but hey ho. We're all just fans with opinions trying to join the dots and muddle our way through the world of QPR.
True but very confusing, much like the board's ever changing position on Warren Farm.
Warren Farm is mentioned in the latest set of accounts.
"With regard to the Training Ground at Warren Farm, the Club is currently working towards discharging all the pre-commencement conditions as set out under the planning permission granted by Ealing Council. The intention is to then commence site clearance work and construction of the new training ground for the first team and academy. The facility will also include community facilities and a comprehensive community sport programme, which will significantly improve the local residents’ access to sport."
It would be nice if the club revealed timelines that it is working towards rather than keep it open ended.
Is the planning permission (and its pre-commencement conditions) available to the public?
True but very confusing, much like the board's ever changing position on Warren Farm.
How has their position changed though? The amendments they made to the scope of the design were enforced and necessary to get permission for it to be built at all (also more realistic from a football POV but that's another argument). The delays have all been a consequence of legal obstacles, the details of which are not always in the interests of the process to be publicised - what little evidence we have suggests this may currently be the case and something new has come up on the environmental side.
Everything else here is baseless apocalyptic speculation as far as I can see.
The protest group have been granted a 2 day judicial review over Ealing Council's failure to complete a EIA.
They're still chasing funding but expect this to rumble on.
Terrible news but thanks for letting us know.
Anyone on here got any experience with EIAs?
"Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1."
Let’s invite all the protesters to a meeting in a small room thereby making them flout the social distancing rules. Take a photo and send it to the authorities to get them publicly shamed and a big fat fine.
Said it before many times, this is Gilham’s take on 1967 and not the truth of the matter as told by Denis Signy who was chief exec at Brentford at the time. Gilham conveniently misses out that Brentford fans had not come forward previously with a plan to put money into the club or that the Brentford captain and other officials went to Loftus Road on a match night to beg Jim Gregory to buy Griffin Park.
This is simply not true and what has been misrepresented for years.
Rangers didn’t offer to buy Brentford, Brentford came to QPR looking to sell. The two are very different.
If QPR simply said no, there’d be no headline and Brentford would probably have folded. The fact QPR showed an interest gave the papers the headlines they wanted. In an ironic twist, this actually galvanised the Brentford fans into action and the club was ultimately saved.
Most people’s recollection of the events, players included, is simply a regurgitation of what they read in the papers and believed it religiously, such is the power of the press.
That Peter Gilham is one bitter and twisted individual.
A very, very, very sad man.
I never knew the party line trotted out by likkle Bentford was a spun narrative... explians a lot. Also says a lot that we don't know this because, well, they haven't registered on our radar for decades
Cherish and enjoy life.... this ain't no dress rehearsal
That Peter Gilham is one bitter and twisted individual.
A very, very, very sad man.
I never knew the party line trotted out by likkle Bentford was a spun narrative... explians a lot. Also says a lot that we don't know this because, well, they haven't registered on our radar for decades
He is the party line, he has made himself their communication officer. As you say a sad and twisted man, with his agenda.
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