| Our country is fckd match thread 20:04 - Jan 15 with 205987 views | BlackCrowe |
On one side we have a spineless and rudderless government full of self-serving narcissistic cnts utterly divided.
On the other side we have spineless and rudderless opposition full of self-serving narcissistic cnts utterly divided.
Can someone please show us a third way beyond flipping Vince. Failing a Chuka et al third way then Disco, you're the man no to save us from jezwecan, Diane, Sneery Emily and McDonnell no? [Post edited 15 Jan 2019 20:05]
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 15:51 - Mar 6 with 1653 views | QPR_John |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 15:33 - Mar 6 by Watford_Ranger |
Because MPs are there to act in their constituents’ best interests, to the best of their knowledge, rather than blindly going with what 50.1%+ wanted three years ago. |
Interestingly they feel they know better than to not follow what 50.1% voted on 3 years ago by being elected in the majority of cases by less than 50.1% of the voters in their respective constituency |  | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 15:53 - Mar 6 with 1646 views | CFW |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 15:33 - Mar 6 by Watford_Ranger |
Because MPs are there to act in their constituents’ best interests, to the best of their knowledge, rather than blindly going with what 50.1%+ wanted three years ago. |
Sorry mate but just because you are an MP it DOES NOT mean you are cleverer than the man in the street. They are no better than you or me - many (NOT ALL) have shown their true colours in the past with lavish expenses claims and living on the gravy train all paid for by us mugs who do an honest days work and have done for many years.
Like all things there are good and bad in every aspect of life and business and many MP's do a fantastic job and put in a lot for hard work. But please do not tell me they are any better or more informed than us. | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 16:01 - Mar 6 with 1630 views | QPR_John |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 15:50 - Mar 6 by derbyhoop |
" ... based on no facts whatsoever..."?
You can only go on the assessments of the experts in their field, including UK Government's own assessments.
In the latter case, they predict that, with no deal, GDP will fall short by 9.8% compared with the current situation.
Traffic through the short Channel crossings will fall by about 75% according to the Dept of Transport
JIT manufacturing is based on keeping 4 hours stock of components. Any delay at customs will impact on the production lines. a 2 minute hold up for 1 consignment would quickly escalate into 15 mile queues to the Channel crossings
30% of UK food is imported from the UK, including 80% of tomatoes. Any holdup at the ports could lead to shortages of some foods - say ALL the major food retailers.
Insulin, which has a short life, is manufactured by a Danish company. Grayling's awarding of a contract to a ferry company with no ferries was designed to overcome potential shortages of food and medicine. So far that has cost UK taxpayers £33m.
Jobs are going at Honda and JLR and, according to reports, 400 at Nissan. BMW and Toyota were warning yesterday about potential factory closures.
Plenty of financial institutions have transferred jobs (so far, small numbers) to EU27 countries.
House prices are already falling in London.
Recession remains possible - although the BOE may well take measures, like on 24 June 2016, to reduce that likelihood.
Share prices - FTSE 100 companies benefit when the £ falls as they earn in $. The £ is down about 15% since the referendum.
Is that enough facts? And, no, I cannot predict the future either. But, I do see that any Brexit scenario is likely to have a detrimental effect on the UK. Short term it is likely to be significant. Long term, UK may learn to adapt to a new world order. |
Then we cannot ever leave the EU no matter what. We have joined a club and have to obey whatever rules they inflict on us.
Can I comment on just one out of many interesting point you make
"Insulin, which has a short life, is manufactured by a Danish company."
Was there no Diabetes before we joined the EU or has the EU ensured Insulin is difficult to get for any country that dares to leave [Post edited 6 Mar 2019 16:06]
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 16:04 - Mar 6 with 1626 views | CFW |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 15:50 - Mar 6 by derbyhoop |
" ... based on no facts whatsoever..."?
You can only go on the assessments of the experts in their field, including UK Government's own assessments.
In the latter case, they predict that, with no deal, GDP will fall short by 9.8% compared with the current situation.
Traffic through the short Channel crossings will fall by about 75% according to the Dept of Transport
JIT manufacturing is based on keeping 4 hours stock of components. Any delay at customs will impact on the production lines. a 2 minute hold up for 1 consignment would quickly escalate into 15 mile queues to the Channel crossings
30% of UK food is imported from the UK, including 80% of tomatoes. Any holdup at the ports could lead to shortages of some foods - say ALL the major food retailers.
Insulin, which has a short life, is manufactured by a Danish company. Grayling's awarding of a contract to a ferry company with no ferries was designed to overcome potential shortages of food and medicine. So far that has cost UK taxpayers £33m.
Jobs are going at Honda and JLR and, according to reports, 400 at Nissan. BMW and Toyota were warning yesterday about potential factory closures.
Plenty of financial institutions have transferred jobs (so far, small numbers) to EU27 countries.
House prices are already falling in London.
Recession remains possible - although the BOE may well take measures, like on 24 June 2016, to reduce that likelihood.
Share prices - FTSE 100 companies benefit when the £ falls as they earn in $. The £ is down about 15% since the referendum.
Is that enough facts? And, no, I cannot predict the future either. But, I do see that any Brexit scenario is likely to have a detrimental effect on the UK. Short term it is likely to be significant. Long term, UK may learn to adapt to a new world order. |
Clearly we are never going to agree - lots of words like assessments, possible, might, could, prediction, are used by the remainers. House prices falling in London is nothing whatsoever to do with Brexit. The car industry is going through massive changes and demand is falling - nothing to do with brexit. We are nowhere near recession unlike Italy, Spain, Germany and France all who are shitting themselves if we leave with no deal.
Do you honestly think that the farmers in the EU are going to grow their product and let it sit on a port somewhere to rot and not get paid? Right.
The FTSE is not far off what it started as before the vote.
Sorry not much fact only supposition. | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 16:06 - Mar 6 with 1625 views | Sharpy36 |
Again Derby you don`t offer any "Facts" just predictions, the same predictions we see during the referendum.
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 16:08 - Mar 6 with 1622 views | CroydonCaptJack |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 14:18 - Mar 6 by derbyhoop |
From a personal point of view, I think you're wrong on that last point.
It is clear that Leave voters are not going to get what they thought they were voting for in 2016. And the simple reason is that nothing that was promised then was ever going to be deliverable.
Remainers have been pointing out those fundamental flaws for the last 2 years and there are very few, IMHO, who have change their point of view.
A second referendum remains a possibility as Parliament cannot get a majority for any of the 3 options - a) May's deal b) No deal c) No Brexit.
No Deal remains the default and would, possibly, command popular support in a 3 way vote. My view is that is because voters understand less about the massive impact of no deal than they did in the run up to the referendum. MPs will probably rule it out next week as they recognise what a disaster it would be.
So any 2nd vote would come down to May's deal (with minor tweaks, if agreed) or Remain.
As an ardent Remainer if it came down to that and people voted to Leave with a deal that would be the end of the arguments. And UK would have to live with the consequences.
In case anybody is interested, my position stems from being the eldest son of economic migrants; worked in 3 of the EU27 countries; now living in France where I am still working and inter-acting with both French and English clients. For me, co-operation between previously warring countries, who share similar values, is a far better way forward, in the modern world, than isolation. |
I respect your view and your reason for voting remain but there is no reason to assume we cannot continue to work closely with European countries after we leave.
There are probably a lot of leavers like me whose reasons were nothing to do with immigration and who have no problem with all of the economic benefits the free market brings but fear the increasing political control we perceive from the EU. We also object to the incredible waste of money spent on this bureaucratic gravy train. |  | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 16:14 - Mar 6 with 1605 views | QPR_John |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 14:18 - Mar 6 by derbyhoop |
From a personal point of view, I think you're wrong on that last point.
It is clear that Leave voters are not going to get what they thought they were voting for in 2016. And the simple reason is that nothing that was promised then was ever going to be deliverable.
Remainers have been pointing out those fundamental flaws for the last 2 years and there are very few, IMHO, who have change their point of view.
A second referendum remains a possibility as Parliament cannot get a majority for any of the 3 options - a) May's deal b) No deal c) No Brexit.
No Deal remains the default and would, possibly, command popular support in a 3 way vote. My view is that is because voters understand less about the massive impact of no deal than they did in the run up to the referendum. MPs will probably rule it out next week as they recognise what a disaster it would be.
So any 2nd vote would come down to May's deal (with minor tweaks, if agreed) or Remain.
As an ardent Remainer if it came down to that and people voted to Leave with a deal that would be the end of the arguments. And UK would have to live with the consequences.
In case anybody is interested, my position stems from being the eldest son of economic migrants; worked in 3 of the EU27 countries; now living in France where I am still working and inter-acting with both French and English clients. For me, co-operation between previously warring countries, who share similar values, is a far better way forward, in the modern world, than isolation. |
"MPs will probably rule it out next week (no deal) as they recognise what a disaster it would be.
My parentheses
Have you ever entered into negotiations with another party by telling them nothing changes if they will not offer a deal. Why should the EU offer a deal if they are being told we will not leave without a deal. | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 16:21 - Mar 6 with 1584 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 15:33 - Mar 6 by Watford_Ranger |
Because MPs are there to act in their constituents’ best interests, to the best of their knowledge, rather than blindly going with what 50.1%+ wanted three years ago. |
So on that basis, if you hire someone to build you a house and they get you a caravan, cos they think you don't know what you want that's fine LOL
You justifying her is unbelievable, well maybe not in your case, don't ever hire anyone, they will take you to the cleaners LOL
I think you are just trolling now [Post edited 6 Mar 2019 16:23]
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 16:44 - Mar 6 with 1553 views | derbyhoop |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 16:06 - Mar 6 by Sharpy36 |
Again Derby you don`t offer any "Facts" just predictions, the same predictions we see during the referendum.
Get behind your country. |
So the 30% of food imported from the EU - is not a fact.
So, Grayling's failings haven't cost the UK taxpayer £33m - is not a fact
So the car companies keeping 4 hours stock of components - is not a fact
Honda closing Swindon - is not a fact
JLR announcing 4500 job losses on 10 Jan - is not a fact
Toyota and BMW warning no deal would hit UK investment on March 5 - is not a fact
The computer model of traffic flows developed by Imperial College predicted 2 extra minutes at customs would lead to a 29 mile delay - of course that's not a fact, it is just the results from a sophisticated computer model
UK Government assessments, by the Treasury and DoT, are clearly predictions. But, would you go and make critical business decisions without an assessment of the likely outcomes?
Maybe, you think that the UK is completely prepared for a no deal Brexit? Or that it will have no impact whatsoever? |  |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 16:53 - Mar 6 with 1536 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 16:44 - Mar 6 by derbyhoop |
So the 30% of food imported from the EU - is not a fact.
So, Grayling's failings haven't cost the UK taxpayer £33m - is not a fact
So the car companies keeping 4 hours stock of components - is not a fact
Honda closing Swindon - is not a fact
JLR announcing 4500 job losses on 10 Jan - is not a fact
Toyota and BMW warning no deal would hit UK investment on March 5 - is not a fact
The computer model of traffic flows developed by Imperial College predicted 2 extra minutes at customs would lead to a 29 mile delay - of course that's not a fact, it is just the results from a sophisticated computer model
UK Government assessments, by the Treasury and DoT, are clearly predictions. But, would you go and make critical business decisions without an assessment of the likely outcomes?
Maybe, you think that the UK is completely prepared for a no deal Brexit? Or that it will have no impact whatsoever? |
Grayling is a fool he also messed up the prison service and transport, how he is in a job is mindboggling, that has nothing to do with Brexit
Honda has nothing to do with Brexit
Are the EU going to want to stop selling their products ie food to us, you say it as if they won't sell.
Lot's of people who only want to stay in the EU will tell you whatever suits them to. Propaganda. [Post edited 6 Mar 2019 16:56]
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 17:58 - Mar 6 with 1479 views | Sharpy36 |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 16:44 - Mar 6 by derbyhoop |
So the 30% of food imported from the EU - is not a fact.
So, Grayling's failings haven't cost the UK taxpayer £33m - is not a fact
So the car companies keeping 4 hours stock of components - is not a fact
Honda closing Swindon - is not a fact
JLR announcing 4500 job losses on 10 Jan - is not a fact
Toyota and BMW warning no deal would hit UK investment on March 5 - is not a fact
The computer model of traffic flows developed by Imperial College predicted 2 extra minutes at customs would lead to a 29 mile delay - of course that's not a fact, it is just the results from a sophisticated computer model
UK Government assessments, by the Treasury and DoT, are clearly predictions. But, would you go and make critical business decisions without an assessment of the likely outcomes?
Maybe, you think that the UK is completely prepared for a no deal Brexit? Or that it will have no impact whatsoever? |
As has already been pointed out numerous times car production in the UK is for some manufacturers slowing or in the worst case scenario ceasing due to poor sales of certain models, the diesel engines demise and new technology. Car manufacturing across the globe is stagnent.
Chris Grayling ?...
The actuall operators of the ports have all concluded there will be no disruption to trafiic through their ports.
As for any assessments by any offical body i would take with a pinch of salt, as we have seen many times before to be proven wrong.
And no i don`t think we`re fully prepaired for a no deal Brexit, who should we blame for that i wonder ?. | |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 18:00 - Mar 6 with 1476 views | QPR_Jim |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 16:53 - Mar 6 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
Grayling is a fool he also messed up the prison service and transport, how he is in a job is mindboggling, that has nothing to do with Brexit
Honda has nothing to do with Brexit
Are the EU going to want to stop selling their products ie food to us, you say it as if they won't sell.
Lot's of people who only want to stay in the EU will tell you whatever suits them to. Propaganda. [Post edited 6 Mar 2019 16:56]
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Of course they will still sell food to us. As CFW said "Do you honestly think that the farmers in the EU are going to grow their product and let it sit on a port somewhere to rot and not get paid? Right." No of course they won't, they'll be paid still it will be the supermarket who's importing them that will lose out if there's a delay.
If say 1 in 10 shipments of food gets delayed and so 10% of product imported spoils before it can be sold the farmers won't take the hit, nor will the supermarkets, the cost will be passed on to us.
It's the same with insulin, if it's a problem we'll just manufacture it in the UK. Of course it seems reasonable to assume that the reason we don't do that already is because it's cheaper to import but fine we'll have the NHS buying more expensive UK made insulin and we can all pay more for prescriptions to cover the additional cost.
P.S How you can say "Lot's of people who only want to stay in the EU will tell you whatever suits them to. Propaganda." without acknowledging the same is true of most prominent leavers: Liam Fox (easiest deal in history), Boris Johnson (£350m a week to the NHS), Michael Gove (Turkey's Joining the EU within 4 years) & Nigel Farage who's spent years spreading misinformation about the EU. |  | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 18:26 - Mar 6 with 1456 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 18:00 - Mar 6 by QPR_Jim |
Of course they will still sell food to us. As CFW said "Do you honestly think that the farmers in the EU are going to grow their product and let it sit on a port somewhere to rot and not get paid? Right." No of course they won't, they'll be paid still it will be the supermarket who's importing them that will lose out if there's a delay.
If say 1 in 10 shipments of food gets delayed and so 10% of product imported spoils before it can be sold the farmers won't take the hit, nor will the supermarkets, the cost will be passed on to us.
It's the same with insulin, if it's a problem we'll just manufacture it in the UK. Of course it seems reasonable to assume that the reason we don't do that already is because it's cheaper to import but fine we'll have the NHS buying more expensive UK made insulin and we can all pay more for prescriptions to cover the additional cost.
P.S How you can say "Lot's of people who only want to stay in the EU will tell you whatever suits them to. Propaganda." without acknowledging the same is true of most prominent leavers: Liam Fox (easiest deal in history), Boris Johnson (£350m a week to the NHS), Michael Gove (Turkey's Joining the EU within 4 years) & Nigel Farage who's spent years spreading misinformation about the EU. |
same is true of most prominent leavers: Liam Fox (easiest deal in history), Boris Johnson (£350m a week to the NHS), Michael Gove (Turkey's Joining the EU within 4 years) & Nigel Farage who's spent years spreading misinformation about the EU.
I can only say that for me and I DO think for many many another leave voters, it being easy or not was not what mattered.
People voted to leave, as you said, for many reasons, maybe they just don't believe in a EU superstate and it being shoved down our necks.
Like none of us would vote for only one Football club in London with all clubs being amalgamated.
Tribal it maybe but it's a powerful thing as human history will tell you.
We are all tribal in one way or another.
More money for the NHS well that would be down to whichever government is in power to give that to the NHS from whatever money we would not have to pay the EU once we do leave (if we do) Tories won't that's for sure.
Turkey, yeah that was propaganda scaring but so was all the talk about a collapse in the economy and loads more that never happened.
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 18:52 - Mar 6 with 1427 views | QPR_Jim |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 18:26 - Mar 6 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
same is true of most prominent leavers: Liam Fox (easiest deal in history), Boris Johnson (£350m a week to the NHS), Michael Gove (Turkey's Joining the EU within 4 years) & Nigel Farage who's spent years spreading misinformation about the EU.
I can only say that for me and I DO think for many many another leave voters, it being easy or not was not what mattered.
People voted to leave, as you said, for many reasons, maybe they just don't believe in a EU superstate and it being shoved down our necks.
Like none of us would vote for only one Football club in London with all clubs being amalgamated.
Tribal it maybe but it's a powerful thing as human history will tell you.
We are all tribal in one way or another.
More money for the NHS well that would be down to whichever government is in power to give that to the NHS from whatever money we would not have to pay the EU once we do leave (if we do) Tories won't that's for sure.
Turkey, yeah that was propaganda scaring but so was all the talk about a collapse in the economy and loads more that never happened.
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"Like none of us would vote for only one Football club in London with all clubs being amalgamated"
Not quite what's happening though is it, I think a better analogy would be that all the London clubs group together and set wage caps and transfer rules for eachother while allowing the individual clubs to exist and compete separately.
Besides if your point is that being part of the EU erodes Britishness then by extension being part of the UK erodes our English identity, but we don't worry about that because we know it's not true.
I think the ease of the deal was supposed to imply that we'd have a good deal and therefore not have any negative impact, whether or not that swayed you it helped sow the seed that we wouldn't be worse off after Brexit. The extent to which that would effect people is open to debate.
Anyway I can see we won't agree on this but I hope we've at least offered balance between us | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 18:53 - Mar 6 with 1427 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
This thread is the Le Mans 24 of the LfW forum.
I admire the stamina and endurance of all the competitors. |  | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 18:56 - Mar 6 with 1425 views | derbyhoop |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 17:58 - Mar 6 by Sharpy36 |
As has already been pointed out numerous times car production in the UK is for some manufacturers slowing or in the worst case scenario ceasing due to poor sales of certain models, the diesel engines demise and new technology. Car manufacturing across the globe is stagnent.
Chris Grayling ?...
The actuall operators of the ports have all concluded there will be no disruption to trafiic through their ports.
As for any assessments by any offical body i would take with a pinch of salt, as we have seen many times before to be proven wrong.
And no i don`t think we`re fully prepaired for a no deal Brexit, who should we blame for that i wonder ?. |
I take it you accept that I did provide Facts.
You might not like/acknowledge them but facts, they are.
I accept that not all the issues in the car industry ar down to Brexit, but it is a factor, a significant one.
I also accept that Grayling is not fit to hold high public office. But his attempts to reduce the impact of a no-deal Brexit have cost the taxpayer.
The port operators may have concluded no disruption (not sure where the evidence to back that claim is found). The work to rule by French customs causing long tailbacks this week would seem to indicate the port management cannot guarantee that claim.
Should we ignore every assessment by an official body, because they don't always get them right?
I blame the UK govt for not being prepared. What are the consequences - none? | |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 19:09 - Mar 6 with 1417 views | colinallcars |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 12:58 - Mar 6 by QPR_John |
Just out of interest is there any scenario any demand from Brussels which would make you want to leave. would you be happy to adopt the Euro, would you be happy to enter the Schengen Area, would you be happy to give up our security council seat for an EU place finally would you be happy with a United States of Europe. |
The thing is old chap, none of the things you posit - joining the Euro, the Schengen area or being part of a Euro army has happened to this country. Scare tactics, the lot of them. |  | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 19:14 - Mar 6 with 1414 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 18:52 - Mar 6 by QPR_Jim |
"Like none of us would vote for only one Football club in London with all clubs being amalgamated"
Not quite what's happening though is it, I think a better analogy would be that all the London clubs group together and set wage caps and transfer rules for eachother while allowing the individual clubs to exist and compete separately.
Besides if your point is that being part of the EU erodes Britishness then by extension being part of the UK erodes our English identity, but we don't worry about that because we know it's not true.
I think the ease of the deal was supposed to imply that we'd have a good deal and therefore not have any negative impact, whether or not that swayed you it helped sow the seed that we wouldn't be worse off after Brexit. The extent to which that would effect people is open to debate.
Anyway I can see we won't agree on this but I hope we've at least offered balance between us |
Well actually it would be better to say the EU is FFP which is going to kill off many clubs by stopping them from competing with the big boys, stopping investment from the outside or take up new markets so you will end up with just a few clubs anyway.
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 19:18 - Mar 6 with 1407 views | QPR_John |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 19:09 - Mar 6 by colinallcars |
The thing is old chap, none of the things you posit - joining the Euro, the Schengen area or being part of a Euro army has happened to this country. Scare tactics, the lot of them. |
That was when we were obedient members. We dared to vote to leave and not only have we not left but our politicians, who make and accept the rules, have begged the EU to take us back and put everything in the way of leaving. Brussels now knows our government, a large part of the media and industry will put being a member of the EU before anything else. Brussels may well have been aware of this before but there was a nagging doubt now they are sure. Whatever they ask for they'll be pushing against an open door. [Post edited 6 Mar 2019 19:19]
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 19:23 - Mar 6 with 1390 views | RangersDave |
tis comunism by stealth, for fascists.
still, as long as germany gets its' leibensraum, who's to deny them?
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 19:27 - Mar 6 with 1386 views | QPR_Jim |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 19:18 - Mar 6 by QPR_John |
That was when we were obedient members. We dared to vote to leave and not only have we not left but our politicians, who make and accept the rules, have begged the EU to take us back and put everything in the way of leaving. Brussels now knows our government, a large part of the media and industry will put being a member of the EU before anything else. Brussels may well have been aware of this before but there was a nagging doubt now they are sure. Whatever they ask for they'll be pushing against an open door. [Post edited 6 Mar 2019 19:19]
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 19:27 - Mar 6 with 1385 views | colinallcars |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 19:18 - Mar 6 by QPR_John |
That was when we were obedient members. We dared to vote to leave and not only have we not left but our politicians, who make and accept the rules, have begged the EU to take us back and put everything in the way of leaving. Brussels now knows our government, a large part of the media and industry will put being a member of the EU before anything else. Brussels may well have been aware of this before but there was a nagging doubt now they are sure. Whatever they ask for they'll be pushing against an open door. [Post edited 6 Mar 2019 19:19]
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Surely the fact we did not join the Euro or Schenngen shows that we were clearly not “obedient members “
We are quite likely to have a very right wing Tory government in place when they divest themselves of Mrs May. Goodbye to workers' rights and consumers' rights. God help us. | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 19:30 - Mar 6 with 1379 views | QPR_Jim |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 19:14 - Mar 6 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
Well actually it would be better to say the EU is FFP which is going to kill off many clubs by stopping them from competing with the big boys, stopping investment from the outside or take up new markets so you will end up with just a few clubs anyway.
But it's all about being fair and sharing right? |
Let's be honest, there's no good football analogy for the EU but it was a nice idea. | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 19:36 - Mar 6 with 1370 views | loftboy |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 19:09 - Mar 6 by colinallcars |
The thing is old chap, none of the things you posit - joining the Euro, the Schengen area or being part of a Euro army has happened to this country. Scare tactics, the lot of them. |
Not happened yet, what do you think the EU will blackmail us with to let us remain? It’s an out of control experiment that sees Europe as one big happy family, thanks to technology the world is a lot smaller place and countries should be allowed to trade with whom they want to. |  |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 19:48 - Mar 6 with 1357 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 19:36 - Mar 6 by loftboy |
Not happened yet, what do you think the EU will blackmail us with to let us remain? It’s an out of control experiment that sees Europe as one big happy family, thanks to technology the world is a lot smaller place and countries should be allowed to trade with whom they want to. |
Right. as the US trade gap widens due to Trump protectionism....
Oh that's just like the EU where Germany is in recession and others heading there and will drag us down if we remain. [Post edited 6 Mar 2019 19:48]
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