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On one side we have a spineless and rudderless government full of self-serving narcissistic cnts utterly divided.
On the other side we have spineless and rudderless opposition full of self-serving narcissistic cnts utterly divided.
Can someone please show us a third way beyond flipping Vince. Failing a Chuka et al third way then Disco, you're the man no to save us from jezwecan, Diane, Sneery Emily and McDonnell no?
Our country is fckd match thread on 22:09 - Mar 27 by traininvain
Yet again demonstrating the complicated and divisive reality of Brexit. We were told this would all be a piece of p1ss. Two years on and leave still can’t decide what they actually want.
Meanwhile Boris Johnson has confirmed he will vote for the same deal he described as a “suicide vest” three weeks ago because it now means he’ll get another crack at maybe becoming PM.
Those who opened this can of worms to forward their careers really do deserve a special place in hell.
Two years on and leave still can’t decide what they actually want.
I can only surmise you have not been following what's been going on in parliament.
That today's votes were by all sides in parliament not just leave.
So here we are, after nearly three years. Regardless of what happens... Regardless of what our elected MP's decide....
I've had enough. I fed up to the back teeth with the lot of self serving arrogant tossers.
Therefore I propose a motion. It's called..... 'Drain The Swamp'
Anyone can join in, it's simple. At the next General Election just vote against the sitting MP. Doesn't matter who you vote for, just get rid of every last one of the current crop. Drain The Swamp.
I don't care who replaces them, I couldn't give a toss, I doubt most people could. I remember the good old days.
John Stonehouse Jeremy Thorpe And other fine upstanding folk, who knew what was what.
What do we find ourselves with today? I'll tell you. A bag full of 600+ MP's.....which in any man's language equals a bag full of alsorted shite.
Drain The Swamp.
Also.......bollocks to this league. I demand to be in the Premiership. I demand excellent football. I demand the Champions League.
I'm fed up with all this shite. I want us to win Cups I want us to win Leagues.
I've had enough of excuses. I've had enough of tossers mugging my club. I want bastard victory.
Anyway.....all that aside. Drain The Bastard Swamp.
What's going on?
We should be told
Sort it out
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Our country is fckd match thread on 05:25 - Mar 28 with 2070 views
Our country is fckd match thread on 22:39 - Mar 27 by 2Thomas2Bowles
Two years on and leave still can’t decide what they actually want.
I can only surmise you have not been following what's been going on in parliament.
That today's votes were by all sides in parliament not just leave.
If there’s still no consensus amongst Leave MPs it’s a surprise given 17.4m people definitely knew what they voted for exactly and all voted for the same thing.
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Our country is fckd match thread on 06:17 - Mar 28 with 2057 views
Our country is fckd match thread on 22:39 - Mar 27 by 2Thomas2Bowles
Two years on and leave still can’t decide what they actually want.
I can only surmise you have not been following what's been going on in parliament.
That today's votes were by all sides in parliament not just leave.
Come on pay attention yourself. Look at headline Leave MP’s like Boris Johnson willing to completely change direction when he gets the slightest inkling of an opportunity to become PM.
Another one who’s convictions on Brexit seem change at a whim. Weak knees Mogg now seemingly willing to vote for May’s deal.
And this is who you chose to put your faith in to deliver Brexit. The politicians who said it would be a piece of cake but two years on can’t even agree on the best way forward.
Time to accept that you’ve been sold a pup.
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Our country is fckd match thread on 07:22 - Mar 28 with 2013 views
Our country is fckd match thread on 06:17 - Mar 28 by traininvain
Come on pay attention yourself. Look at headline Leave MP’s like Boris Johnson willing to completely change direction when he gets the slightest inkling of an opportunity to become PM.
Another one who’s convictions on Brexit seem change at a whim. Weak knees Mogg now seemingly willing to vote for May’s deal.
And this is who you chose to put your faith in to deliver Brexit. The politicians who said it would be a piece of cake but two years on can’t even agree on the best way forward.
Time to accept that you’ve been sold a pup.
Sold a pup Being aware Clive wants me to cut down on posting on this I'll just say this.
Since the first referendum in the 70's I have always wanted us to leave, nothing to do with what any of these Mp's say.
Our country is fckd match thread on 05:25 - Mar 28 by Watford_Ranger
If there’s still no consensus amongst Leave MPs it’s a surprise given 17.4m people definitely knew what they voted for exactly and all voted for the same thing.
The consenus among leave mps is to leave on managed no deal. WTO terms and all the side agreement in place. Air space for example
But they recognise as 73% of MP's votes remain and are part of the establishment stitch up trying to prevent it. Hence why wrongly some are saying they will accept May's "deal"
Make no mistake. It was entirely clear as stated on the gov leaflets pre campaign. Leave meant, leaving single market and Customs Union. No question- likes of Letwin and Umana repeated this many times
We were told there would be immediate economic strife (a LIE). But we would get back our sovereignty and right to control many things we now can't including Trade Deals
It cannot be argued we were not warned there would be at least short term economic issues but that was the cost of getting the sovereignty back the politicians never had the right to give away
Question any remainer should ask themselves. If Managed WTO deal happens. If you were Irish, and you decided you didn't like the job Barnier and Juncker had done. How would you democratically hold them to account?
And when you realise you can't. Could you imagine a scenario where a major Depression hits similar to the 1930's. And the sort of political leaders that would rise up which we have no ability to influence. But they rule over you. Then look at the form of our neighbours; Franco, Mussolini, Hitler
You are imperilling future generations. Not only that Remainers are rascist. Happy for open borders with predominantly white nations of Europe. Giving more rights to a blonde Polish nanny then a Pakistani doctor
While you put tariffs on African farmers to protect largely white wealthy French.
Fortunately I believe most remainers are ignorant. Fooled by establishment press. But many are hypocrite racists
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Our country is fckd match thread on 07:28 - Mar 28 with 2000 views
Our country is fckd match thread on 07:22 - Mar 28 by 2Thomas2Bowles
Sold a pup Being aware Clive wants me to cut down on posting on this I'll just say this.
Since the first referendum in the 70's I have always wanted us to leave, nothing to do with what any of these Mp's say.
[Post edited 28 Mar 2019 7:23]
Yeah there's obviously like minded people who have always wanted out. They just needed to fool enough people to get them over 50% in 2016 and their lies seem to have done that.
Our country is fckd match thread on 07:28 - Mar 28 by QPR_Jim
Yeah there's obviously like minded people who have always wanted out. They just needed to fool enough people to get them over 50% in 2016 and their lies seem to have done that.
Naive, you have just done exactly what Cameron did in 2016, completely underestimate the feelings of half the nation.
favourite cheese mature Cheddar. FFS there is no such thing as the EPL
Our country is fckd match thread on 07:26 - Mar 28 by Russian__Bot
The consenus among leave mps is to leave on managed no deal. WTO terms and all the side agreement in place. Air space for example
But they recognise as 73% of MP's votes remain and are part of the establishment stitch up trying to prevent it. Hence why wrongly some are saying they will accept May's "deal"
Make no mistake. It was entirely clear as stated on the gov leaflets pre campaign. Leave meant, leaving single market and Customs Union. No question- likes of Letwin and Umana repeated this many times
We were told there would be immediate economic strife (a LIE). But we would get back our sovereignty and right to control many things we now can't including Trade Deals
It cannot be argued we were not warned there would be at least short term economic issues but that was the cost of getting the sovereignty back the politicians never had the right to give away
Question any remainer should ask themselves. If Managed WTO deal happens. If you were Irish, and you decided you didn't like the job Barnier and Juncker had done. How would you democratically hold them to account?
And when you realise you can't. Could you imagine a scenario where a major Depression hits similar to the 1930's. And the sort of political leaders that would rise up which we have no ability to influence. But they rule over you. Then look at the form of our neighbours; Franco, Mussolini, Hitler
You are imperilling future generations. Not only that Remainers are rascist. Happy for open borders with predominantly white nations of Europe. Giving more rights to a blonde Polish nanny then a Pakistani doctor
While you put tariffs on African farmers to protect largely white wealthy French.
Fortunately I believe most remainers are ignorant. Fooled by establishment press. But many are hypocrite racists
Not even going to address the nonsense about remainers being hypocrite racists.
You lot put your faith in the likes of Johnson, Farage and Rees-Mogg and when they completely shaft you (as you were warned they would) you blame everyone else.
[Post edited 28 Mar 2019 7:40]
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Our country is fckd match thread on 08:34 - Mar 28 with 1927 views
Not even going to address the nonsense about remainers being hypocrite racists.
You lot put your faith in the likes of Johnson, Farage and Rees-Mogg and when they completely shaft you (as you were warned they would) you blame everyone else.
[Post edited 28 Mar 2019 7:40]
Think about it. Be honest with yourself. Do you really believe the custom union lie you've put out there. Please provide quote from reputable source. Or Video preferably of a leave campaigner saying that we should remain in customs union
In what way is that consistent with the Leave Campaign tag line 'take back control' if we can't make our own trade deals. You must know this?!
I can point to even hard core Remainers saying even post referendum we would leave the customs union
As well as the pre ref gov position. The post ref gov position they were again elected on in their manifesto made clear leaving customs union was a red line
It's really sad people like you swallow the propaganda that the real liars like this guy give you. Hence your skewed opinions
Head in the sand on when next Depression hits and we are faced with a fascist or communist dictator we can't democratically influence I see. At least acknowledge you are risking that
You must accept an immigration policy that gives preferential treatment to predominantly white nations while being far harsher on predominantly non-white nations (as Remainers support) is the more prejudiced position
The CAP you must also acknowledge is massively to the detriment of poorer African and South American countries
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Our country is fckd match thread on 08:38 - Mar 28 with 1921 views
Our country is fckd match thread on 23:21 - Mar 27 by zicoshoops
So here we are, after nearly three years. Regardless of what happens... Regardless of what our elected MP's decide....
I've had enough. I fed up to the back teeth with the lot of self serving arrogant tossers.
Therefore I propose a motion. It's called..... 'Drain The Swamp'
Anyone can join in, it's simple. At the next General Election just vote against the sitting MP. Doesn't matter who you vote for, just get rid of every last one of the current crop. Drain The Swamp.
I don't care who replaces them, I couldn't give a toss, I doubt most people could. I remember the good old days.
John Stonehouse Jeremy Thorpe And other fine upstanding folk, who knew what was what.
What do we find ourselves with today? I'll tell you. A bag full of 600+ MP's.....which in any man's language equals a bag full of alsorted shite.
Drain The Swamp.
Also.......bollocks to this league. I demand to be in the Premiership. I demand excellent football. I demand the Champions League.
I'm fed up with all this shite. I want us to win Cups I want us to win Leagues.
I've had enough of excuses. I've had enough of tossers mugging my club. I want bastard victory.
Anyway.....all that aside. Drain The Bastard Swamp.
What's going on?
We should be told
Sort it out
Well said.
I'm curious as to what the turn out will be at the next election. It could be high, equally it could be incredibly low. Given the shambles of the last three years, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people have given up on party politics, I know I have. I couldn't vote for any of the fckers currently.
I do seem to recall a time when MPs worked in the best interests of their constituents, doesn't seem to be the case any more.
Our country is fckd match thread on 08:34 - Mar 28 by Russian__Bot
Think about it. Be honest with yourself. Do you really believe the custom union lie you've put out there. Please provide quote from reputable source. Or Video preferably of a leave campaigner saying that we should remain in customs union
In what way is that consistent with the Leave Campaign tag line 'take back control' if we can't make our own trade deals. You must know this?!
I can point to even hard core Remainers saying even post referendum we would leave the customs union
As well as the pre ref gov position. The post ref gov position they were again elected on in their manifesto made clear leaving customs union was a red line
It's really sad people like you swallow the propaganda that the real liars like this guy give you. Hence your skewed opinions
Head in the sand on when next Depression hits and we are faced with a fascist or communist dictator we can't democratically influence I see. At least acknowledge you are risking that
You must accept an immigration policy that gives preferential treatment to predominantly white nations while being far harsher on predominantly non-white nations (as Remainers support) is the more prejudiced position
The CAP you must also acknowledge is massively to the detriment of poorer African and South American countries
The conclusion is quite clear from the UK's independent fact checking charity:
The customs union was rarely mentioned by Leave campaigners before the referendum. There were generally calls for the UK to have an independent trade policy, though messages about specific trading arrangements weren’t always consistent.
The inconsistent message on the customs union wasn't a one off. This was Leave's strategy to win the referendum. Try to appeal to as many people as possible through inconsistent and often deceitful message.
Consequently Brexit means different things to different people- no deal, soft Brexit, leave the customs union, remain in the customs union etc.
There was no coherent strategy which is why the likes of Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage quietly backed away after the referendum result. They didn't want a part of overseeing this mess.
The mistake you have made is thinking that the Brexit you envisaged applies to everyone else who voted leave.
On your last point, I'm all for a fairer immigration policy but worth noting net migration from non EU countries is at its highest level in 15 years: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47400679
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Our country is fckd match thread on 10:34 - Mar 28 with 1785 views
I really can't believe that yesterday. They all vote down the deal, and then haven't got a clue what to replace it with. Absolutely sod the lot of them. Nobody comes out of this well. Boris and Co furthering there own ambitions and corbyn just wanting an election and an assorted bunch of tossers arguing about their own preferred option without realising its all a bit late in the day, and we are probably going to crash out shortly anyway. The deal on offer is OK, it's a decent compromise that honours the referendum result but maintains trading relations with Europe. But they all vote against for their own selfish reasons, rather than the interests of the country. As the chap said further up, drain the swamp
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Our country is fckd match thread on 10:49 - Mar 28 with 1766 views
Our country is fckd match thread on 10:34 - Mar 28 by plasmahoop
I really can't believe that yesterday. They all vote down the deal, and then haven't got a clue what to replace it with. Absolutely sod the lot of them. Nobody comes out of this well. Boris and Co furthering there own ambitions and corbyn just wanting an election and an assorted bunch of tossers arguing about their own preferred option without realising its all a bit late in the day, and we are probably going to crash out shortly anyway. The deal on offer is OK, it's a decent compromise that honours the referendum result but maintains trading relations with Europe. But they all vote against for their own selfish reasons, rather than the interests of the country. As the chap said further up, drain the swamp
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, there's no remit!
A magnificent football club, the love of our lives, finding a way to finally have its day in the sun.
When it becomes blatantly obvious MP's are doing things to boost their own career rather than what's best for the nation, at what point can they be halted or is there nothing to stop them? Once they have their seat, it's fairly safe I guess until the next local/general election so it seems they can just do what they want.
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Our country is fckd match thread on 12:22 - Mar 28 with 1632 views
Our country is fckd match thread on 09:15 - Mar 28 by traininvain
The conclusion is quite clear from the UK's independent fact checking charity:
The customs union was rarely mentioned by Leave campaigners before the referendum. There were generally calls for the UK to have an independent trade policy, though messages about specific trading arrangements weren’t always consistent.
The inconsistent message on the customs union wasn't a one off. This was Leave's strategy to win the referendum. Try to appeal to as many people as possible through inconsistent and often deceitful message.
Consequently Brexit means different things to different people- no deal, soft Brexit, leave the customs union, remain in the customs union etc.
There was no coherent strategy which is why the likes of Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage quietly backed away after the referendum result. They didn't want a part of overseeing this mess.
The mistake you have made is thinking that the Brexit you envisaged applies to everyone else who voted leave.
On your last point, I'm all for a fairer immigration policy but worth noting net migration from non EU countries is at its highest level in 15 years: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47400679
"Rarely" mentioned by leave campaigners? Bet you can't give me a quote from one of those times when it was mentioned and that the comment was to remain in it
But the remain campaign have settled the argument on Customs Union. As I have shown you. Part of the reason they were so hysterical and part of project fear was that they rightly and repeatedly said we would be leaving the Customs Union
As endorse by the recent election to implement the decision as it was a red line
Could you find an "independent" Fact-check on the remain camps comments on the Customs Union if we voted leave?
Boris backed away? He stood for leadership when Cameron resigned.
The remainer majority MP's wouldn't put him forward for selection hence we got i believe wilfully incompetent remainer PM.
[Post edited 28 Mar 2019 12:23]
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Our country is fckd match thread on 12:46 - Mar 28 with 1584 views
Watch this Video from the German AfD leader speech on Brexit - it is sub-titled but not too long. Look out for Angela Merkel looking somewhat embarrassed / concerned.
Sums it all up really. . . .
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Our country is fckd match thread on 13:04 - Mar 28 with 1557 views
Our country is fckd match thread on 12:22 - Mar 28 by Russian__Bot
"Rarely" mentioned by leave campaigners? Bet you can't give me a quote from one of those times when it was mentioned and that the comment was to remain in it
But the remain campaign have settled the argument on Customs Union. As I have shown you. Part of the reason they were so hysterical and part of project fear was that they rightly and repeatedly said we would be leaving the Customs Union
As endorse by the recent election to implement the decision as it was a red line
Could you find an "independent" Fact-check on the remain camps comments on the Customs Union if we voted leave?
Boris backed away? He stood for leadership when Cameron resigned.
The remainer majority MP's wouldn't put him forward for selection hence we got i believe wilfully incompetent remainer PM.
[Post edited 28 Mar 2019 12:23]
You clearly haven't looked at the quotes in the link I provided. Here's a quote:
“No, he’s [Nigel Farage] wrong about that … I think that we all have to accept that lots of things were said in the referendum that should not have been said on both sides. And it wasn’t the consistent message of those that were leaving that we would leave the customs union.”
Sir Keir Starmer, 18 October 2018
Key figures from both the Remain and Leave campaigns said before the referendum that voting to leave meant leaving the single market. The customs union itself was rarely mentioned before the referendum, as far as we’ve seen.
Nothing is settled on the customs union. In fact, MP's were close to voting for a UK-wide customs union with the EU last night with 264 for and 272 against.
Are you sure you're not confusing the customs union with the single market?
whats ironic is that after 46 pages of this thread we are fighting amongst ourselves and haven't reached agreement either.
I'm bored shi1tless with the whole thing. Like Zico says drain the swamp, get rid of all the useless politicians who really are only interested in their own little kingdoms. Wan£ers the lot of them.
Our country is fckd match thread on 13:04 - Mar 28 by traininvain
You clearly haven't looked at the quotes in the link I provided. Here's a quote:
“No, he’s [Nigel Farage] wrong about that … I think that we all have to accept that lots of things were said in the referendum that should not have been said on both sides. And it wasn’t the consistent message of those that were leaving that we would leave the customs union.”
Sir Keir Starmer, 18 October 2018
Key figures from both the Remain and Leave campaigns said before the referendum that voting to leave meant leaving the single market. The customs union itself was rarely mentioned before the referendum, as far as we’ve seen.
Nothing is settled on the customs union. In fact, MP's were close to voting for a UK-wide customs union with the EU last night with 264 for and 272 against.
Are you sure you're not confusing the customs union with the single market?
FInally, Boris Johnson pulled out of the Tory leadership contest in 2016 but facts do not seem to be your strong point.
I asked you to quote a leave campaigner in the referendum saying we should remain in the Customs Union. You've quoted an unsubstantiated claim from Keith Starmer. Not many bigger remainers than him around
Try again though.
73% remain backing MP's did fail yesterday yep in trying to advocate a customs union. Because the majority know what you won't accept. We have to leave Customs Union to respect the result
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