| Our country is fckd match thread 20:04 - Jan 15 with 206402 views | BlackCrowe |
On one side we have a spineless and rudderless government full of self-serving narcissistic cnts utterly divided.
On the other side we have spineless and rudderless opposition full of self-serving narcissistic cnts utterly divided.
Can someone please show us a third way beyond flipping Vince. Failing a Chuka et al third way then Disco, you're the man no to save us from jezwecan, Diane, Sneery Emily and McDonnell no? [Post edited 15 Jan 2019 20:05]
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:50 - Apr 2 with 1745 views | essextaxiboy |
Its been massively mismanaged from the day of the Referendum ,The Tories have always scrapped over Europe but I just cant understand Labours current position .
Surely they see that the 4 million votes for UKIP didnt come from the Conservatives but from Labour voters outside London resulting in the coalition . They then voted Tory giving Cameron his majority to secure the Referendum .Then back to Labour producing the close result once Brexit was won.
Corbyn , who hates the EU, is being led by the nose by Labour voices on his doorstep to supporting softer and softer options losing his other voters ... IMO |  | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:55 - Apr 2 with 1734 views | TacticalR |
Anything to distract from the blue on blue violence. |  |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 15:51 - Apr 2 with 1657 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
This all that is wrong with Labour the 2 faced Yvette Cooper
Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford Leave vote: 70.0%
MP: Yvette Cooper (Labour) She voted for Article 50, saying: “Nobody said at any time ‘you know what, I am not going to respect the result afterward’ — that’s the kind of thing Donald Trump says.”
Has voted every time to frustrate leaving. |  |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 15:56 - Apr 2 with 1652 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 15:51 - Apr 2 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
This all that is wrong with Labour the 2 faced Yvette Cooper
Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford Leave vote: 70.0%
MP: Yvette Cooper (Labour) She voted for Article 50, saying: “Nobody said at any time ‘you know what, I am not going to respect the result afterward’ — that’s the kind of thing Donald Trump says.”
Has voted every time to frustrate leaving. |
An MP voting in her constituents’ interests rather than for her career ambition. Mental. |  | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 16:06 - Apr 2 with 1635 views | QPR_John |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 15:56 - Apr 2 by Watford_Ranger |
An MP voting in her constituents’ interests rather than for her career ambition. Mental. |
So she understand her constituents interest better than they do themselves. | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 16:07 - Apr 2 with 1630 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 15:56 - Apr 2 by Watford_Ranger |
An MP voting in her constituents’ interests rather than for her career ambition. Mental. |
So if she were your Mp and you voted Remain and the vote was 70/30 remain and she supported leave, that would be ok with you.
May as well just have a dictatorship.
If she and those other Mp's got No No deal passed in law.
Have you any idea what that would mean to democracy on everything else.
Laws could be passed to stop you from voting on anything a government or opposition did not like. [Post edited 2 Apr 2019 16:43]
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 16:20 - Apr 2 with 1613 views | nix |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 12:15 - Apr 2 by QPR_John |
That article suggests Goldman Sachs were working for the Greek government. My point is who was advising Brussels on Greece's financial position. |
THe EU were relying on a sovereign nation not to mislead about its finances, and a US bank not to enable them to do so. Just like banks were relied upon to provide accurate information before the banking crisis. Since this house of cards collapsed, banks are regulated up to their eyeballs and I should imagine EU countries are subject to much greater regulation than previously. Which makes me laugh now when we're told one of the benefits of Brexit is less regulation. Do we want more disasters of this type going forward? |  | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 16:33 - Apr 2 with 1596 views | QPR_John |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 16:20 - Apr 2 by nix |
THe EU were relying on a sovereign nation not to mislead about its finances, and a US bank not to enable them to do so. Just like banks were relied upon to provide accurate information before the banking crisis. Since this house of cards collapsed, banks are regulated up to their eyeballs and I should imagine EU countries are subject to much greater regulation than previously. Which makes me laugh now when we're told one of the benefits of Brexit is less regulation. Do we want more disasters of this type going forward? |
Is there any mistake by Brussels that you cannot find an excuse for. The Euro is one of the building blocks for a federal Europe and why would Brussels risked that without checking themselves rather than relying on bias reports. The fact that they did clearly showed they wanted Greece to join the Euro whatever the state of their financial situation [Post edited 2 Apr 2019 16:40]
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 17:08 - Apr 2 with 1536 views | GloryHunter |
Jacob Rees-Mogg, 24th October 2011:
"We could have two referendums. As it happens, it might make more sense to have the second referendum after the renegotiation is completed." |  | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 17:10 - Apr 2 with 1535 views | QPR_John |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 17:08 - Apr 2 by GloryHunter |
Jacob Rees-Mogg, 24th October 2011:
"We could have two referendums. As it happens, it might make more sense to have the second referendum after the renegotiation is completed." |
Well done for finding that. How you have the time I do not know. | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 17:17 - Apr 2 with 1524 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 17:08 - Apr 2 by GloryHunter |
Jacob Rees-Mogg, 24th October 2011:
"We could have two referendums. As it happens, it might make more sense to have the second referendum after the renegotiation is completed." |
Jacob Rees-Mogg
I joined Twitter in 2017 so the billboard is fundamentally dishonest. It is designed as a tweet and is a highly selective quote. I have never supported a second referendum of the type proposed by the People’s Vote campaign.
In the House of Commons on 24 October 2011, I was discussing the idea of a mandate referendum for David Cameron to begin his negotiations on our terms of membership of the European Union, followed by a decision on what he had achieved.
Both these referendums would have taken place while we were still members of the EU and before any decision to leave. However, the government decided on a simple in/out referendum after the negotiations, so this mandate option was not used [Post edited 2 Apr 2019 17:19]
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 18:02 - Apr 2 with 1492 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 16:07 - Apr 2 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
So if she were your Mp and you voted Remain and the vote was 70/30 remain and she supported leave, that would be ok with you.
May as well just have a dictatorship.
If she and those other Mp's got No No deal passed in law.
Have you any idea what that would mean to democracy on everything else.
Laws could be passed to stop you from voting on anything a government or opposition did not like. [Post edited 2 Apr 2019 16:43]
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If in her educated opinion Leave was in my constituency’s interests then yes, that would be fine as it always has been though no one knew nor cared how their MP voted on many issues pre-referendum.
Surely a dictatorship would be MPs blindly kowtowing to May, as you seem to want them to do. | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 18:04 - Apr 2 with 1489 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 16:06 - Apr 2 by QPR_John |
So she understand her constituents interest better than they do themselves. |
On an issue as complex as this, almost certainly (overall. I’m sure some constituents know the intricate details of various Brexit options). | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 18:06 - Apr 2 with 1483 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 17:10 - Apr 2 by QPR_John |
Well done for finding that. How you have the time I do not know. |
Yeah Glory Hunter, why you spending your time looking up facts on the internet when you could be spending your time spewing incorrect cliches on it instead? [Post edited 2 Apr 2019 18:06]
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 18:09 - Apr 2 with 1474 views | QPR_John |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 18:04 - Apr 2 by Watford_Ranger |
On an issue as complex as this, almost certainly (overall. I’m sure some constituents know the intricate details of various Brexit options). |
Then why did MP's not have the guts to say this on the morning after the referendum. [Post edited 2 Apr 2019 18:11]
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 18:13 - Apr 2 with 1464 views | QPR_John |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 18:04 - Apr 2 by Watford_Ranger |
On an issue as complex as this, almost certainly (overall. I’m sure some constituents know the intricate details of various Brexit options). |
But it seems the quote did not refer to the current idea of a second referendum.
Whoops this should have been a reply to BazzaInTheLoft above
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 18:17 - Apr 2 with 1448 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
May just made a statement that will mean war in the Tory party.
Doing a deal with JC = Soft Brexit. [Post edited 2 Apr 2019 18:18]
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 18:18 - Apr 2 with 1446 views | QPR_John |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 18:17 - Apr 2 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
May just made a statement that will mean war in the Tory party.
Doing a deal with JC = Soft Brexit. [Post edited 2 Apr 2019 18:18]
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Doubt it will come to that Corbyn I imagine is already working out how to reject the offer | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 19:03 - Apr 2 with 1410 views | PinnerPaul |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 17:17 - Apr 2 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
Jacob Rees-Mogg
I joined Twitter in 2017 so the billboard is fundamentally dishonest. It is designed as a tweet and is a highly selective quote. I have never supported a second referendum of the type proposed by the People’s Vote campaign.
In the House of Commons on 24 October 2011, I was discussing the idea of a mandate referendum for David Cameron to begin his negotiations on our terms of membership of the European Union, followed by a decision on what he had achieved.
Both these referendums would have taken place while we were still members of the EU and before any decision to leave. However, the government decided on a simple in/out referendum after the negotiations, so this mandate option was not used [Post edited 2 Apr 2019 17:19]
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Mate you can't defend a bloke who said May's deal was the worst ever and now votes for it.
Add to that his repeating of the 52/48 as a vote that must be honoured and then when he didn't get enough MPs votes to oust her said she could go anyway.
Even as a remainer I do respect the result and your opinions as you at least have a bone fide reason/reasons for wanting to leave,however, the problem in my eyes is that MPs/parties are in it for themselves/own interests.
DUP have actually said they don't care in/out as long as NI remains in UK and treated the same as rest of UK, SDP want independence, Labour want an election and half the cabinet want May's job!
All those are voting in their own interests first and the country/Brexit position 2nd, if at all. | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 19:07 - Apr 2 with 1402 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 18:09 - Apr 2 by QPR_John |
Then why did MP's not have the guts to say this on the morning after the referendum. [Post edited 2 Apr 2019 18:11]
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Fck knows. Maybe they underestimated the complexity at the time. Maybe they feared the reaction from constituents who were sold a pup by the Leave campaigns. | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 19:16 - Apr 2 with 1389 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 19:03 - Apr 2 by PinnerPaul |
Mate you can't defend a bloke who said May's deal was the worst ever and now votes for it.
Add to that his repeating of the 52/48 as a vote that must be honoured and then when he didn't get enough MPs votes to oust her said she could go anyway.
Even as a remainer I do respect the result and your opinions as you at least have a bone fide reason/reasons for wanting to leave,however, the problem in my eyes is that MPs/parties are in it for themselves/own interests.
DUP have actually said they don't care in/out as long as NI remains in UK and treated the same as rest of UK, SDP want independence, Labour want an election and half the cabinet want May's job!
All those are voting in their own interests first and the country/Brexit position 2nd, if at all. |
I'm not defending him, it's what he said in response.
I agree with you about the Mp's I've said the same many times myself.
This to me is why the result should stand.
They all told lies, they are all playing political games, so many are going against there own voters.
Another Ref would be a stitch up.
If they got No No deal in law, it could not go on the ballard, how is that fair? when there are no conditions on Remaining.
Taking away your rights to vote, how you feel fit to do. [Post edited 2 Apr 2019 20:01]
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 19:36 - Apr 2 with 1375 views | nix |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 16:33 - Apr 2 by QPR_John |
Is there any mistake by Brussels that you cannot find an excuse for. The Euro is one of the building blocks for a federal Europe and why would Brussels risked that without checking themselves rather than relying on bias reports. The fact that they did clearly showed they wanted Greece to join the Euro whatever the state of their financial situation [Post edited 2 Apr 2019 16:40]
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I haven't ever said they haven't made mistakes. Although I think it's a bit unrealistic to expect them to audit every country's economy forensically. Just that I don't rely on JRM, Boris Johnson, TM and Michael Gove to have our interests at heart or to not make even worse mistakes, just looking at TM at the Home Office, BJ at the Foreign Office and Gove in education - all disastrous I don't want to give them any more powers than they have at the moment to enact legislation, deregulate and roll back decades of legislation which protects workers' rights. Meanwhile our economy will be screwed and we'll have no one to fall back on and we will have screwed our diplomatic relations with EU countries for decades.
You clearly think that lot (or Corbyn ffs) will leave us all ticketyboo. I don't.
Anyway I've explained above in more detail why I think we're better off in their EU, so no point in my rehashing it.
We just see the world and the place our country has in it very differently. And let's face it we're unlikely to ever agree on this. | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 20:21 - Apr 2 with 1345 views | QPR_John |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 19:36 - Apr 2 by nix |
I haven't ever said they haven't made mistakes. Although I think it's a bit unrealistic to expect them to audit every country's economy forensically. Just that I don't rely on JRM, Boris Johnson, TM and Michael Gove to have our interests at heart or to not make even worse mistakes, just looking at TM at the Home Office, BJ at the Foreign Office and Gove in education - all disastrous I don't want to give them any more powers than they have at the moment to enact legislation, deregulate and roll back decades of legislation which protects workers' rights. Meanwhile our economy will be screwed and we'll have no one to fall back on and we will have screwed our diplomatic relations with EU countries for decades.
You clearly think that lot (or Corbyn ffs) will leave us all ticketyboo. I don't.
Anyway I've explained above in more detail why I think we're better off in their EU, so no point in my rehashing it.
We just see the world and the place our country has in it very differently. And let's face it we're unlikely to ever agree on this. |
Please not Corbyn | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 20:24 - Apr 2 with 1336 views | nix |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 20:21 - Apr 2 by QPR_John |
Please not Corbyn |
Well yeah, but JRM, Bojo and Gove. Really? | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 20:28 - Apr 2 with 1328 views | QPR_John |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 20:24 - Apr 2 by nix |
Well yeah, but JRM, Bojo and Gove. Really? |
Don't trust any of them but Corbyn frightens me | | | |
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