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On one side we have a spineless and rudderless government full of self-serving narcissistic cnts utterly divided.
On the other side we have spineless and rudderless opposition full of self-serving narcissistic cnts utterly divided.
Can someone please show us a third way beyond flipping Vince. Failing a Chuka et al third way then Disco, you're the man no to save us from jezwecan, Diane, Sneery Emily and McDonnell no?
Our country is fckd match thread on 11:19 - Apr 5 by 2Thomas2Bowles
It was interesting on Question time that the most shouty/ I'm not listening to you/I'm entitled, you lot voted wrong, I know more than you do. was a Labour Remainer Lammy It was not passion it was arrogance.
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It helped that it sounded like a remainer crowd too.But then London did get a majority for remain.
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Our country is fckd match thread on 12:18 - Apr 5 with 4192 views
Our country is fckd match thread on 12:18 - Apr 5 by 2Thomas2Bowles
Strange how they moved it from Bolton to Remain London
Fiona Bruce did not interrupt him once but did to Jeremy Wright who as a remain voter was at least honest on Brexit.
Yes people have questioned why it was moved from leave Bolton to remain London but then there are nearly always more remainers on the panel than leavers anyway. Perhaps Fiona didn't want to go to Bolton as too many in laws from hubby's side or someone at the Beeb is a QPR fan and didn't want to go there after last week's humiliation.
Makes a change for Fiona not to interrupt the Labour member from what I have seen of QT since January.
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Our country is fckd match thread on 12:41 - Apr 5 with 4135 views
Our country is fckd match thread on 12:36 - Apr 5 by ManinBlack
Yes people have questioned why it was moved from leave Bolton to remain London but then there are nearly always more remainers on the panel than leavers anyway. Perhaps Fiona didn't want to go to Bolton as too many in laws from hubby's side or someone at the Beeb is a QPR fan and didn't want to go there after last week's humiliation.
Makes a change for Fiona not to interrupt the Labour member from what I have seen of QT since January.
Or Lammy did not want to go up north and face Labour leavers
Best stay in London and have your Remainer friends in the audience, one woman was screaming (like a pop fan) after he said something
This is getting very messy and surreal, as May is seeking an extension until the end of June.
'Mrs May said it was not in the interests of the UK or the EU for Britain to hold elections to the European Parliament, which are scheduled to take place between May 23 and May 26.
However, she added the government accepted that if the UK was still a member of the EU on May 23, it would be legally obliged to hold the elections.'
Our country is fckd match thread on 15:44 - Apr 5 by TacticalR
This is getting very messy and surreal, as May is seeking an extension until the end of June.
'Mrs May said it was not in the interests of the UK or the EU for Britain to hold elections to the European Parliament, which are scheduled to take place between May 23 and May 26.
However, she added the government accepted that if the UK was still a member of the EU on May 23, it would be legally obliged to hold the elections.'
If the MEP elections go ahead it will be interesting to see what the turnout is. It's usually under 40% in this country as opposed to over 90% in Belgium. I have spoken to some people that voted leave in the referendum and was surprised to learn that was the only time they had ever voted, saying they wanted to “get their country back” I doubt they’ll drag themselves away from scratching themselves on the sofa in front of afternoon telly to vote again in the future.
Our country is fckd match thread on 19:01 - Apr 5 by colinallcars
If the MEP elections go ahead it will be interesting to see what the turnout is. It's usually under 40% in this country as opposed to over 90% in Belgium. I have spoken to some people that voted leave in the referendum and was surprised to learn that was the only time they had ever voted, saying they wanted to “get their country back” I doubt they’ll drag themselves away from scratching themselves on the sofa in front of afternoon telly to vote again in the future.
Or for their future even. Or their kids future. Ho hum.
Strong and stable my arse.
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Our country is fckd match thread on 20:18 - Apr 5 with 3882 views
I think this is a balanced view concerning leaving or remaining
The pound rose, and all was calm on the stock market. As far as the financial markets were concerned, the message was clear: the voting down by MPs of Theresa May’s withdrawal agreement means a delayed Brexit, a softer Brexit or perhaps no Brexit at all. Those with serious wealth in Britain have always been worried that Brexit will lead to radical change. They now think that there will be a perpetuation of the status quo — or something not far removed from it. Hence the pound getting stronger.
There’s no question that opting for the quiet life has its attractions. There would be a boost to the economy as companies decided to push ahead with investment plans that had been delayed while the outcome of Brexit was uncertain. And, of course, any economic costs of no deal would be avoided.
What is the single market? The EU’s single market is more than a free-trade area. It aims to remove not just the fiscal barriers to trade (tariffs) but the physical and technical barriers (borders and divergent product standards) too by allowing as free movement as possible of goods, capital, services and people. In essence, it is about treating the EU as a single trading territory. See our full Brexit phrasebook.
If the Bank of England is to be believed, these could be very high indeed. Just before Christmas, the Bank said the economy could shrink by 8% in the event of a disruptive no-deal outcome — a bigger recession than that seen when the global financial system came close to meltdown in 2008. But this was a worst-case scenario and the Bank had to throw in the kitchen sink to arrive at it. The idea, for example, that interest rates would rise by four percentage points after a no-deal Brexit is implausible. More likely, the Bank would join with the Treasury in using every available policy tool — including lower interest rates — to boost growth.
More realistic projections have been provided by the consultancy firm Capital Economics. It forecasts that the economy will grow by 1.4% this year if May’s deal is eventually agreed, by 1.5% if a delay to the article 50 process leads to a softer Brexit, and by between 1% and -0.2% in the event of no deal, depending on whether it is orderly or not. Still a cost, in other words, but much more modest.
Even so, why bother suffering any cost at all if it can be avoided by leaving things as they are? That seems like a reasonable argument, but in reality it is based on a series of doubtful assumptions.
The first is that voters care only about economic growth. But if that were the case, they would support fracking and concreting over the green belt, both of which would lead to higher levels of activity. The second — voiced by business lobby groups — is that it is not possible to do better than the status quo because unemployment is low, real wages are growing, the City is the world’s financial hub and the UK is an attractive destination for inward investment.
The third — shared by the European commission and some in the remain camp in the UK — is that there is nothing much wrong with Europe either. The EU is the world’s biggest market; the four freedoms allow for the movement of goods, people, money and services across the continent; and the euro has been a success.
Yet in reality the UK has malfunctioned badly since the 2008 financial crisis, suffering a prolonged period of weak productivity growth and flatlining living standards. Investment has been weak. Most of the jobs created have been low-wage and low-skill.
As for the rest of Europe, the eurozone was even slower to recover from the crash, in part because of the design flaws of monetary union and in part because its addiction to neoconservative economic dogma resulted in supercharged austerity programmes.
Brexit, the gilets jaunes protesters in France, the terrible pain inflicted on Greece and the support for the League/Five Star government in Italy all tell their own story. Europe is alive with political discontent that reflects the demand for deep and urgent reform, but the chances of getting it are less likely if the status quo prevails.
Why? Because the forces of conservatism are strong. Change comes about only when the pressure for it becomes too great to resist. The financial crisis provided one such opportunity to reform an economic system that for many people clearly wasn’t working; Brexit was a second. The left’s case for Brexit has always been based on the following notions: the current economic model is failing; socialism is needed to fix it; and the free-market ideology hardwired into the EU via the European Central Bank, judgments of the European court of justice and treaty changes will make that process all but impossible without a break with the status quo.
It is theoretically possible that in the event of a “Brexit in name only” or no Brexit at all, policymakers will push ahead with what’s needed in order to make a reality of the slogan “a reformed Britain in a reformed Europe”. Possible but not all that plausible, given that it would require breaking up the euro, more autonomy for individual countries to intervene in the running of their economies, and a simultaneous philosophical U-turn in the big member states.
Much more likely is that the pressure for change will dissipate and the real grievances of those who voted for Brexit will be quietly forgotten. The softer the Brexit, the more convinced the EU will be that it has been doing the right thing all along. Britain will not go up in flames, but there will still be consequences. Leave voters will feel they have been victims of an establishment stitch-up. The anger will not go away and will eventually resurface.
The risk is that the losers will be the biggest supporters of the EU — the liberal left. And the biggest winners will be the extreme right.
Latest news is that there will be a shortage of Fish and chips if we leave with no deal. Reason being is we only catch 21,000 tonnes in our own waters and import 110,000 tonnes. I just wonder where those catching the 110,000 tonnes of fish that they currently export to the UK will sell their fish when we leave.
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Our country is fckd match thread on 11:48 - Apr 6 with 3734 views
Our country is fckd match thread on 11:23 - Apr 6 by QPR_John
Latest news is that there will be a shortage of Fish and chips if we leave with no deal. Reason being is we only catch 21,000 tonnes in our own waters and import 110,000 tonnes. I just wonder where those catching the 110,000 tonnes of fish that they currently export to the UK will sell their fish when we leave.
He had said in his post-match interviews: “The best league in the world and probably the worst officials at the minute.”
But Warnock insists he is right to criticise refereeing standards in the English game and claims they have gone backwards under referees’ chief Mike Riley, head of the Professional Game Match Officials Limited.
“I always thought Mike Riley was a manufactured referee from day one,” Warnock said.
“I don’t think he’s changed since then. He’s been coached manufactured, almost like a robot.
“He knows everything about the rules, but I feel these people struggle to understand the game and the human element.
“A lot of referees are like Mike Riley and that’s why I think we have gone backwards. Common sense thing is not allowed nowadays, but the best refs still use it.”
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Our country is fckd match thread on 18:24 - Apr 6 with 3592 views
Our country is fckd match thread on 16:15 - Apr 3 by CFW
It is not difficult - tell the EU to do one. There done it!!!
Thus proving my point.
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Our country is fckd match thread on 16:20 - Apr 8 with 3367 views
Our country is fckd match thread on 14:06 - Apr 6 by timcocking
He had said in his post-match interviews: “The best league in the world and probably the worst officials at the minute.”
But Warnock insists he is right to criticise refereeing standards in the English game and claims they have gone backwards under referees’ chief Mike Riley, head of the Professional Game Match Officials Limited.
“I always thought Mike Riley was a manufactured referee from day one,” Warnock said.
“I don’t think he’s changed since then. He’s been coached manufactured, almost like a robot.
“He knows everything about the rules, but I feel these people struggle to understand the game and the human element.
“A lot of referees are like Mike Riley and that’s why I think we have gone backwards. Common sense thing is not allowed nowadays, but the best refs still use it.”
Usual nonsense from Mr W - none of that had anything to do with AR missing a very obvious offside call because the player taking the corner kick was in his way.
Clearly a poor error at this level, but nothing whatsoever to do with Mike Riley and how he used to referee!
PS When Sol Bamba scored a goal from offside position earlier in the season, Mr W had very little to say about refereeing standards after THAT match!
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Our country is fckd match thread on 10:58 - May 24 with 2274 views
It's got to be Boris or this mess will just carry on forever.
Labour want an election so give them one, within the next 9 months. The Tories are fcked as it stands, Boris standing on a No Deal platform will obviously polarise things 10 fold but a semi alliance with Farage, even if it's at arms length, will give him a majority and then he we can finally test the resolve of the EU.
Once the EU know we are walking and meaning it,it'll be a different game.
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Our country is fckd match thread on 12:13 - May 24 with 2175 views
Our country is fckd match thread on 11:35 - May 24 by stevec
It's got to be Boris or this mess will just carry on forever.
Labour want an election so give them one, within the next 9 months. The Tories are fcked as it stands, Boris standing on a No Deal platform will obviously polarise things 10 fold but a semi alliance with Farage, even if it's at arms length, will give him a majority and then he we can finally test the resolve of the EU.
Once the EU know we are walking and meaning it,it'll be a different game.
Please say you are joking
May 24th, I was guessing much sooner, this thread would return
Our country is fckd match thread on 11:35 - May 24 by stevec
It's got to be Boris or this mess will just carry on forever.
Labour want an election so give them one, within the next 9 months. The Tories are fcked as it stands, Boris standing on a No Deal platform will obviously polarise things 10 fold but a semi alliance with Farage, even if it's at arms length, will give him a majority and then he we can finally test the resolve of the EU.
Once the EU know we are walking and meaning it,it'll be a different game.
Isn't Boris a bit too busy what with possibly getting sued for spreading the fake £350m-a-week savings to the likes of you that fell for it?
It'll almost certainly be BJ won't it? He looks like having enough support in the parliamentary party to get to the last two, and the increasingly radical Tory base adore him.
Presumably his rampant incompetence will mean a GE before too long, so bring it on imo.
Presumably also means a no deal Brexit, as he'll be keen to look all Trump-y and strongman-ish, at least at first, and I can't see him looking for an extension as one of his first acts
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