| Our country is fckd match thread 20:04 - Jan 15 with 205950 views | BlackCrowe |
On one side we have a spineless and rudderless government full of self-serving narcissistic cnts utterly divided.
On the other side we have spineless and rudderless opposition full of self-serving narcissistic cnts utterly divided.
Can someone please show us a third way beyond flipping Vince. Failing a Chuka et al third way then Disco, you're the man no to save us from jezwecan, Diane, Sneery Emily and McDonnell no? [Post edited 15 Jan 2019 20:05]
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 11:11 - May 25 with 1636 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 04:05 - May 25 by stowmarketrange |
If we didn’t have to pay £39 billion ransom money to the EU we could have an extra £750 million a week to spend in this country for a year.Or £375 million Every week for 2 years.
Hardly lies really were they? |
If you consider it ransom money then there’s really no helping you. |  | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 11:20 - May 25 with 1626 views | jonno |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 10:30 - May 25 by BucksRanger |
As the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) was set up by the UK Government it is hardly surprising that it overwhelmingly leans towards confirmation of the government viewpoint for remaining in Europe. There are now in excess of 1,000 economists working for, and presumably being paid by, various government departments so, again, not really a surprise that 90% or more of them tow the government line.
"Would a people's vote be anti-democratic?" Would there be another people's vote any day soon if the Remainers had won the vote on 23rd June 2016? Seriously, there wouldn't, would there? We'd be stuck in the EU for another 40+ years. Leavers won the democratic vote in 2016 and that's that though I have no doubt they would win again and by a larger percentage if another vote was held.
As for the GBP exchange rate vs. the USD and EUR. I'm not sure why you would choose a 4 month period to compare exchange rates but on 24th Jan the GBP/EUR rate opened at 1.1488 and is currently 1.1342 - hardly significant. The USD rate on 24th Jan was 1.308 and is currently 1.2715 so lower. I'd put that USD strength down to the good work Donald Trump is doing protecting the US economy rather than worries about Brexit though. |
Agree with this. I have been transferring pounds into Euros for about the last ten years and the current rate is more or less the average of what it has been during that time. As for "no deal" being a "disaster" - we were all told some years ago that not adopting the euro would be a disaster and it turns out that was actually a good idea. The thing with "no deal" is that it won't be "no deal" for very long. Negotiations will very quickly begin between the UK and the EU - if they hadn't already happened - to get something in place. Except that the EU will no longer be as intransigent as they were in the "negotiations" with May. |  | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 11:22 - May 25 with 1621 views | stevec |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 11:07 - May 25 by Mytch_QPR |
None of us know for certain, but I make you wrong about the result of a second referendum - particularly in the light of British Steel's demise and the warning other companies have sounded about remaining in the UK long term.
Opinion polls have shown that there is the likelihood of a swing to Remain and I think the chances of this increase by the day - that's why Farage and his backers have been galvanised into action. They will do everything they can to avoid a second ref. |
We’ve had constant Project Fear thrown at the electorate from virtually all MPs, every single businessman with his finger in the pie, state sponsored Economists, a never ending barrage from the well heeled and those in a position to wreak havoc on the proletariat and yet STILL they can’t grind the majority of us down.
Something’s seriously wrong with your argument if the public, despite all this, refuse to capitulate. |  | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 12:06 - May 25 with 1569 views | stowmarketrange |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 11:11 - May 25 by Watford_Ranger |
If you consider it ransom money then there’s really no helping you. |
Whatever I decided to the call the £39 billion does not alter the facts about how much we’d have to spend on this country if we didn’t have to hand it over.
That sum was negotiated after the result of the referendum was known,so technically the £350 million on the side of the bus was correct,assuming they chose to spend it on the nhs. |  | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 12:12 - May 25 with 1555 views | Mytch_QPR |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 11:22 - May 25 by stevec |
We’ve had constant Project Fear thrown at the electorate from virtually all MPs, every single businessman with his finger in the pie, state sponsored Economists, a never ending barrage from the well heeled and those in a position to wreak havoc on the proletariat and yet STILL they can’t grind the majority of us down.
Something’s seriously wrong with your argument if the public, despite all this, refuse to capitulate. |
In which case, Nige can stay in the pub supping his pint and put his feet up (and save himself a dry cleaning bill) - he's made himself obsolete. |  |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 12:51 - May 25 with 1523 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
Quote from Boris
We will be leaving the EU on the 31st of Oct .. with or without a deal.
I guess he is pretty confident he will be PM.
Till someone stabs him in the back/front again. |  |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:02 - May 25 with 1506 views | kensalriser |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 12:06 - May 25 by stowmarketrange |
Whatever I decided to the call the £39 billion does not alter the facts about how much we’d have to spend on this country if we didn’t have to hand it over.
That sum was negotiated after the result of the referendum was known,so technically the £350 million on the side of the bus was correct,assuming they chose to spend it on the nhs. |
Membership of the EU is net positive to the UK's economy. That surely can't be difficult to understand?
There is absolutely no economic argument to leave the EU, unless you consider it desirable to be poorer. |  |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:14 - May 25 with 1498 views | stowmarketrange |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:02 - May 25 by kensalriser |
Membership of the EU is net positive to the UK's economy. That surely can't be difficult to understand?
There is absolutely no economic argument to leave the EU, unless you consider it desirable to be poorer. |
Fighting the 2nd world war left everyone in this country poorer,but we did it because we believed it was the right thing to do.
Standing up to the faceless bureaucrats in Brussels might leave us poorer too,but I And 17.4 million of us think it is the right thing to do too.Just because we might lose a bit of wealth doesn’t mean that we should be frightened into submission and stay in this corrupt organisation that will get worse in the future.
We mad our choice and now they have to deal with it. | | | |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:37 - May 25 with 1482 views | Mytch_QPR |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:14 - May 25 by stowmarketrange |
Fighting the 2nd world war left everyone in this country poorer,but we did it because we believed it was the right thing to do.
Standing up to the faceless bureaucrats in Brussels might leave us poorer too,but I And 17.4 million of us think it is the right thing to do too.Just because we might lose a bit of wealth doesn’t mean that we should be frightened into submission and stay in this corrupt organisation that will get worse in the future.
We mad our choice and now they have to deal with it. |
You made a choice, but ultimately it's down to the MPs. A poorer Country will mean higher welfare bills, reduced funds for infrastructure / defence etc - and many think it will a lot more than 'a bit', by the way.
As we have seen, few of them have the stomach for a 'no deal' and the majority sided with Remain. Assuming the EU isn't going to tear up the old agreement and come back with something radically different, they will either have to crash out at the end of October, or revoke. I fail to see how a new MP is going to resolve the intransigence. Boris (if it is he) may be popular with middle England but he has a lot of enemies in parliament. | |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:56 - May 25 with 1470 views | loftboy |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:37 - May 25 by Mytch_QPR |
You made a choice, but ultimately it's down to the MPs. A poorer Country will mean higher welfare bills, reduced funds for infrastructure / defence etc - and many think it will a lot more than 'a bit', by the way.
As we have seen, few of them have the stomach for a 'no deal' and the majority sided with Remain. Assuming the EU isn't going to tear up the old agreement and come back with something radically different, they will either have to crash out at the end of October, or revoke. I fail to see how a new MP is going to resolve the intransigence. Boris (if it is he) may be popular with middle England but he has a lot of enemies in parliament. |
It’s not crashing out it’s leaving. Which is what I assumed we would be doing if we voted to leave, Cameron was quite clear in his final speech before the vote that is what would happen. |  |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 14:00 - May 25 with 1465 views | stowmarketrange |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:37 - May 25 by Mytch_QPR |
You made a choice, but ultimately it's down to the MPs. A poorer Country will mean higher welfare bills, reduced funds for infrastructure / defence etc - and many think it will a lot more than 'a bit', by the way.
As we have seen, few of them have the stomach for a 'no deal' and the majority sided with Remain. Assuming the EU isn't going to tear up the old agreement and come back with something radically different, they will either have to crash out at the end of October, or revoke. I fail to see how a new MP is going to resolve the intransigence. Boris (if it is he) may be popular with middle England but he has a lot of enemies in parliament. |
Hopefully those MPs who want to remain in leave majority constituencies will get their rewards at election time.Also the same goes for the parasites who decide to leave their parties without holding by-elections.
They should represent the views of the people who elected them in the first place. | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 15:38 - May 25 with 1423 views | Sharpy36 |
"As we have seen, few of them have the stomach for a 'no deal' and the majority sided with Remain"
Although 498 voted overwhelmingly to trigger Article 50, with only one conservative member voted against it along side plaid, snp, lib dems and 49 labour mps. Knowing full well the legal stand point on the 29th of March would be leave without a deal if a deal could not be struck by that date. Now we have to ask why are so many in the HoC are hellbent on revoking A50 and destroying democracy in the nation instead of standing by their convictions and in many areas the length and breadth of the Country denying the will of their constituents ? [Post edited 25 May 2019 15:39]
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 17:07 - May 25 with 1369 views | QPR_John |
Will a second referendum solve anything. Rules will have to be laid down before the vote. If it is 52 48 in favour of remain will that reverse the original referendum. What if leave wins again will those MPs who are representatives and not delegates go against everything they have been preaching for the last three years and legislate to leave. Remember that have all told us it will not be simply a wobble if we leave but it will be catastrophic. So many of them not to mention many in the media have a vested interest in Brexit being a disaster will they risk being proved wrong. | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 17:08 - May 25 with 1369 views | WEAREAWFUL |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 19:01 - Apr 5 by colinallcars |
If the MEP elections go ahead it will be interesting to see what the turnout is. It's usually under 40% in this country as opposed to over 90% in Belgium.
I have spoken to some people that voted leave in the referendum and was surprised to learn that was the only time they had ever voted, saying they wanted to “get their country back”
I doubt they’ll drag themselves away from scratching themselves on the sofa in front of afternoon telly to vote again in the future. |
I managed to stop scratching and drag myself off the sofa on thursday to vote once again to get my country back. It was really hard work dragging myself the 200 yards down the road to the polling station though. | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 17:21 - May 25 with 1350 views | stowmarketrange |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 17:07 - May 25 by QPR_John |
Will a second referendum solve anything. Rules will have to be laid down before the vote. If it is 52 48 in favour of remain will that reverse the original referendum. What if leave wins again will those MPs who are representatives and not delegates go against everything they have been preaching for the last three years and legislate to leave. Remember that have all told us it will not be simply a wobble if we leave but it will be catastrophic. So many of them not to mention many in the media have a vested interest in Brexit being a disaster will they risk being proved wrong. |
I don’t see a 2nd referendum as anything that will heal the division in the country any more than the 1st one did.
Will the 17.4 million who voted leave just lie down quietly and accept the result if they lose?They might have done exactly that if they’d lost the last one,but the genie is out of the bottle now and can’t be put back.
And as you say,what happens if leave wins again?The remain at all costs parties like the SNP,libdems and the greens still wouldn’t accept it.
The only people who want a 2nd vote are the ones who lost the 1st one,which I can understand to some degree.But it won’t please anybody except the winners and would only increase the division,in my opinion. | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 07:46 - May 26 with 1193 views | derbyhoop |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 04:05 - May 25 by stowmarketrange |
If we didn’t have to pay £39 billion ransom money to the EU we could have an extra £750 million a week to spend in this country for a year.Or £375 million Every week for 2 years.
Hardly lies really were they? |
The financial settlement, estimated at 39bn, is to cover commitments made while the UK is a member of the EU. The principle was agreed as long ago as Dec 17.
Of course the UK could refuse to fulfil those commitments. But they would struggle to conclude a trade deal if the other side believed, with justification, that the UK was prepared to renege on their undertakings.
And that is 1 aspect of the now dead Withdrawal Agreement. The others are Citizens Rights and the Irish Border. |  |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 08:05 - May 26 with 1183 views | jonno |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 14:00 - May 25 by stowmarketrange |
Hopefully those MPs who want to remain in leave majority constituencies will get their rewards at election time.Also the same goes for the parasites who decide to leave their parties without holding by-elections.
They should represent the views of the people who elected them in the first place. |
One of the biggest critics of leaving the EU is arch Tory Michael Heseltine, who is now saying he will vote LibDem due to their remain policy and never seems to be off the TV. Of course, this can't be anything to do with the £90k a year EU subsidies he has been receiving since 2000. | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 08:19 - May 26 with 1177 views | traininvain |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 08:05 - May 26 by jonno |
One of the biggest critics of leaving the EU is arch Tory Michael Heseltine, who is now saying he will vote LibDem due to their remain policy and never seems to be off the TV. Of course, this can't be anything to do with the £90k a year EU subsidies he has been receiving since 2000. |
And one of the biggest proponents of leaving the EU is happy to collect a £73k per annum pension from the EU which would be part funded by the £50bn divorce bill.
Yet many of you seem happy enough to trust the bloke. |  | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 08:32 - May 26 with 1168 views | jonno |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 08:19 - May 26 by traininvain |
And one of the biggest proponents of leaving the EU is happy to collect a £73k per annum pension from the EU which would be part funded by the £50bn divorce bill.
Yet many of you seem happy enough to trust the bloke. |
Are you saying that MEPs should not be entitled to a pension, to which they have made contributions? Whilst you may argue that they are excessive - and I would agree with you they are, just like MPs pensions are - at least the pension has been earnt by working as an MEP. What exactly has Heseltine done to "earn" his £90k per year subsidies? | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 08:51 - May 26 with 1141 views | Tonto |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 12:06 - May 25 by stowmarketrange |
Whatever I decided to the call the £39 billion does not alter the facts about how much we’d have to spend on this country if we didn’t have to hand it over.
That sum was negotiated after the result of the referendum was known,so technically the £350 million on the side of the bus was correct,assuming they chose to spend it on the nhs. |
Except those are NOT the facts.
It's not £345M a week as that is only the gross amount t and ignores all the funds and rebates we get back.
Plus you make the assumption that we just give it away for nothing which is also grossly incorrect. And if you are one of those who thinks that the EU do nothing for us then I assume you think the Monty Python sketch "what the Romans did for us" is a documentary? Because it's that level of farce. |  |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 09:00 - May 26 with 1133 views | loftboy |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 08:51 - May 26 by Tonto |
Except those are NOT the facts.
It's not £345M a week as that is only the gross amount t and ignores all the funds and rebates we get back.
Plus you make the assumption that we just give it away for nothing which is also grossly incorrect. And if you are one of those who thinks that the EU do nothing for us then I assume you think the Monty Python sketch "what the Romans did for us" is a documentary? Because it's that level of farce. |
Whatever they give back once we leave and stop paying we will be better off as we are only one of a few net contributors. | |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 09:18 - May 26 with 1113 views | Tonto |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 09:00 - May 26 by loftboy |
Whatever they give back once we leave and stop paying we will be better off as we are only one of a few net contributors. |
Again you are trying to make a simple sum out of a very complex equation. What about the impact on the economy and trade, what about the impact on academic research, what about the impact on those employers who depend upon EU workers (the biggest one being the NHS), what about the cost of tariffs (which YOU as the the consumer will now pay)...
It's not just about how much money the Government pays a week. | |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 09:39 - May 26 with 1087 views | loftboy |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 09:18 - May 26 by Tonto |
Again you are trying to make a simple sum out of a very complex equation. What about the impact on the economy and trade, what about the impact on academic research, what about the impact on those employers who depend upon EU workers (the biggest one being the NHS), what about the cost of tariffs (which YOU as the the consumer will now pay)...
It's not just about how much money the Government pays a week. |
The NHS employs people from all around the world, should a vacancy occur and the best person for the job comes from abroad then there is no reason to deny them a visa/ permit to work, on the other hand hopefully if someone wants to come here and walk down the A13 at Beckton with a false limp begging we Will be able to say no you aren’t coming in. | |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 09:54 - May 26 with 1072 views | Tonto |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 09:39 - May 26 by loftboy |
The NHS employs people from all around the world, should a vacancy occur and the best person for the job comes from abroad then there is no reason to deny them a visa/ permit to work, on the other hand hopefully if someone wants to come here and walk down the A13 at Beckton with a false limp begging we Will be able to say no you aren’t coming in. |
Not much disagreement here on that... except if course that very little of that has anything to do with the EU or Brexit.
Now don't get me wrong, I am not saying that there are No NHS tourists. But the suggestion that there is any significant number is grossly exaggerated. And it is a Sovereign decision to allow that not an EU requirement. | |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 10:09 - May 26 with 1054 views | stowmarketrange |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 07:46 - May 26 by derbyhoop |
The financial settlement, estimated at 39bn, is to cover commitments made while the UK is a member of the EU. The principle was agreed as long ago as Dec 17.
Of course the UK could refuse to fulfil those commitments. But they would struggle to conclude a trade deal if the other side believed, with justification, that the UK was prepared to renege on their undertakings.
And that is 1 aspect of the now dead Withdrawal Agreement. The others are Citizens Rights and the Irish Border. |
This must be the only club in the world where you pay to enter and you have to pay to leave too.
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