| Our country is fckd match thread 20:04 - Jan 15 with 204791 views | BlackCrowe |
On one side we have a spineless and rudderless government full of self-serving narcissistic cnts utterly divided.
On the other side we have spineless and rudderless opposition full of self-serving narcissistic cnts utterly divided.
Can someone please show us a third way beyond flipping Vince. Failing a Chuka et al third way then Disco, you're the man no to save us from jezwecan, Diane, Sneery Emily and McDonnell no? [Post edited 15 Jan 2019 20:05]
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:37 - Jun 12 with 1426 views | R_from_afar |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 15:04 - Jun 11 by kensalriser |
Y'know, I am really beginning to suspect that Captain Pugwash may be an imposter. |
He's currently becalmed in the Sea of Fake News! |  |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:38 - Jun 12 with 1426 views | Clive_Anderson |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:19 - Jun 12 by QPR_Jim |
"Why you feel the need to shout abuse at anyone with another opinion is beyond me."
Says the guy who's last post called both labour activists and people who post on here he disagrees with cnts. |
Nah not all of them, it's just the ones that like to dole out personal abuse. Not including you Jim, I seem to remember were able to disagree without the insults. |  | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 14:28 - Jun 12 with 1344 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
One for Bazz
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 14:36 - Jun 12 with 1328 views | Hayesender |
Nothing to see here, just another delightful leftie luvvy spouting bile against anyone they deem to be right wing |  |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 16:51 - Jun 12 with 1218 views | FDC |
Labour motion defeated.
As has been demonstrated previously, pro-'2nd-ref' / anti-'no-deal' Tories hate Corbyn more than they hate 'no deal'. But everyone will still blame Corbyn when we crash out without a deal. |  | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 16:51 - Jun 12 with 1215 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 16:55 - Jun 12 with 1209 views | loftboy |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 16:51 - Jun 12 by FDC |
Labour motion defeated.
As has been demonstrated previously, pro-'2nd-ref' / anti-'no-deal' Tories hate Corbyn more than they hate 'no deal'. But everyone will still blame Corbyn when we crash out without a deal. |
It’s not crashing out it is leaving as per the referendum result. |  |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 17:00 - Jun 12 with 1199 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 14:36 - Jun 12 by Hayesender |
Nothing to see here, just another delightful leftie luvvy spouting bile against anyone they deem to be right wing |
‘Leave.EU’ should probably stop being such fking snowflakes. | | | |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 17:05 - Jun 12 with 1185 views | Sharpy36 |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 17:00 - Jun 12 by Watford_Ranger |
‘Leave.EU’ should probably stop being such fking snowflakes. |
try scrolling down the comments on that tweet and see what acid does to people
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 17:09 - Jun 12 with 1179 views | runningman75 |
The Tories have their money off shore they will not be hit as hard compared to normal people when no deal occurs. Normal people who shout no deal but then see manufacturing jobs lost such as parts of Wales and Sunderland will be like turkeys voting for Christmas again by shouting no deal. | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 17:12 - Jun 12 with 1170 views | connell10 |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 17:09 - Jun 12 by runningman75 |
The Tories have their money off shore they will not be hit as hard compared to normal people when no deal occurs. Normal people who shout no deal but then see manufacturing jobs lost such as parts of Wales and Sunderland will be like turkeys voting for Christmas again by shouting no deal. |
Totally agree mate. |  |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 17:13 - Jun 12 with 1168 views | baldyoldgit |
doesn't really matter. All the new PM hopefuls have said they will renegotiate the WA. Europe will say "non".
Then what?
Vote of no confidence and a general election. Manifesto time!!! Leave or remain??? Everyone has to write it down. Split votes all over the place. Tories lose more to Lib Dems, SNP and UKIP2.0 than Labour lose. No clear majority. Labour/SNP government is my guess.
Or, Tories see the writing on the wall and offer a 2nd ref in their manifesto | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 17:20 - Jun 12 with 1154 views | essextaxiboy |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 17:13 - Jun 12 by baldyoldgit |
doesn't really matter. All the new PM hopefuls have said they will renegotiate the WA. Europe will say "non".
Then what?
Vote of no confidence and a general election. Manifesto time!!! Leave or remain??? Everyone has to write it down. Split votes all over the place. Tories lose more to Lib Dems, SNP and UKIP2.0 than Labour lose. No clear majority. Labour/SNP government is my guess.
Or, Tories see the writing on the wall and offer a 2nd ref in their manifesto |
Whenever you speak about this your arithmetic ignores the Brexit Party . If Farage has a pact with Johnson cherry picking seats to stand in the numbers could surprise you IMO . Latest poll gives Torys a 140 majority if/when Johnson goes to the country |  | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 17:30 - Jun 12 with 1140 views | Sharpy36 |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 17:09 - Jun 12 by runningman75 |
The Tories have their money off shore they will not be hit as hard compared to normal people when no deal occurs. Normal people who shout no deal but then see manufacturing jobs lost such as parts of Wales and Sunderland will be like turkeys voting for Christmas again by shouting no deal. |
The same parts of the country that voted to leave in big numbers as well voting again in large numbers for The Brexit party in the Eu electons.
Let me spell this out if you havn`t been listening before.
It`s not about a Deal. | |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 17:31 - Jun 12 with 1136 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 17:13 - Jun 12 by baldyoldgit |
doesn't really matter. All the new PM hopefuls have said they will renegotiate the WA. Europe will say "non".
Then what?
Vote of no confidence and a general election. Manifesto time!!! Leave or remain??? Everyone has to write it down. Split votes all over the place. Tories lose more to Lib Dems, SNP and UKIP2.0 than Labour lose. No clear majority. Labour/SNP government is my guess.
Or, Tories see the writing on the wall and offer a 2nd ref in their manifesto |
Would take more Tory members to leave the party and vote with the opposition, I suspect seeing Change UK fall on their ass would put them off and the opposition would not have the numbers.
Even Labour members abstained in the vote today. | |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 17:33 - Jun 12 with 1127 views | stevec |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 10:44 - Jun 12 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I know I’m wasting my breath but here (text lifted from an article) is why Labour won Peterborough and why there was a massive postal vote surge:
1. Labour’s ruthless campaign for the recall of Fiona Onasanya
After Peterborough’s Labour MP, Fiona Onasanya, was found guilty in December of perverting the course of justice, Labour HQ decided the party should be seen by local voters to be at the forefront of any campaign to eject her from office. Despite her continuing loyalty to Jeremy Corbyn, there was no sentimentality, and a focus on securing a next MP in the swing seat. Corbyn issued a statement calling for his one-time party whip to stand down. In January, two full-time party workers were assigned to the city. The ground war had begun.
2. An already impressive Labour database became even better
Labour knows its voters across the city, having fought the 2015 and 2017 general elections against a well-oiled Conservative machine led by Stewart Jackson. The recall campaign was used to fine-tune its knowledge of individual streets, which were then assigned to specific councillors and activists. One councillor told the Guardian he had visited one road four times before the end of May, and one activist said they had knocked on some doors up to nine times on polling day to get the vote out.
3. Postal votes
Labour realised its core supporters might suffer from voter fatigue after four years in which there have been two general elections, an EU referendum, and local and European elections. So Labour voters were encouraged, more than any other year, to vote by post. It appeared to work — turnout among postal voters was 69.4%.
Newly elected Labour MP Lisa Forbes gives her winner’s speech after the count
The newly elected Labour MP Lisa Forbes gives her winner’s speech after the count.Photograph: Joe Giddens/PA
4. Labour concentrated on local issues
Voters told Labour it would lose if it fought Peterborough on Brexit, leadership and the economy. So it focused on three issues that have particularly worried local voters: a rising crime rate, the state of local schools, and fly-tipping. This strategy caused some concern, particularly after the EU elections revealed that a single national issue, Brexit, could dominate all others. Before the count on Thursday night, one Labour fixer said: “If we pull this off, it will show that you can run a local campaign and beat a huge national issue. We have policing, fly-tipping and education; they have Brexit, Brexit and more Brexit.”
5. Momentum mobilised hundreds of activists
Despite internal rows over Brexit and tensions between the head of Momentum, Jon Lansman, and Corbyn’s key advisers, the grassroots organisation that swept Corbyn to the top of the party is still a significant force.
Momentum claims it mobilised nearly 1,000 activists to knock on doors or make calls in the runup to the byelection. This included activists carpooled to Peterborough from North Wales, London, Winchester, Leeds, Grantham, Leicester, Brighton, Bretton, Northampton and Norwich. Others made thousands of calls using Momentum’s distributed phone bank system to mobilise local party members and persuade swing voters. More than 300 people canvassed on the Saturday before polling day and 500 knocked on doors on polling day.
Canvassers successfully squeezed the Lib Dem and Green vote on the doorstep by warning that a misplaced vote could give the Brexit party a foothold. One Guardian reader from the city said he had been visited by Ed Miliband and several activists this week imploring him to vote tactically for Labour — and he was won over.
6. A snap byelection caught out Nigel Farage’s party
One Brexit party insider said: “Labour were sensible in calling a snap byelection while our new party was focusing on the Euros. It was just too big a hill to climb for a fledgling party with no historic data.”
7. The Tory vote held up better than expected
The Conservative candidate, Paul Bristow, surprised many by holding on to about 7,000 votes. despite the implosion of the national party over Brexit.
Labour owe him a big thank you, one key Brexit party official said. “The Tories worked very hard, from the moment that Onasanya was found guilty, to keep their vote. Without that work, we would have won.”
And for a real contrasting view from another Jewish group within the Labour Party on antisemitism and media coverage of anti semitism.
https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/app/uploads/2019/05/Journalists-check-yo
Twitter is an abusive sewer, including but not exclusive to Labour people. [Post edited 12 Jun 2019 11:09]
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The Tories, expecting my vote at EU election (they didn’t get it) sent an application to me to register for postal vote which I went ahead with. However, I still received a voting card, which suggests I could possibly have voted postal whilst also voting at a polling booth.
Usually a couple of oldies crossing your name off when you go to voting booth, are the checks rigorous enough to stop people voting twice? I’m not convinced.
You also mention mobilising up to a thousand Momentum members to come to Peterborough from all over the country. How do the Labour Party keep that kind of mobilisation within party spending rules? |  | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 17:50 - Jun 12 with 1103 views | baldyoldgit |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 17:20 - Jun 12 by essextaxiboy |
Whenever you speak about this your arithmetic ignores the Brexit Party . If Farage has a pact with Johnson cherry picking seats to stand in the numbers could surprise you IMO . Latest poll gives Torys a 140 majority if/when Johnson goes to the country |
UKIP got 24 seats last time and then failed to win a single seat in the GE. UKIP2.0 got a few more seats in EU elections this time but beyond Farage they are unelectable. Have you seen the utter clowns they have sent to Brussels? Without Farage they are all Nutalls, Boltons, Widdecombes and other odd job racists, dingbats and loons.
No one trusts them on important matters like health, education, transport, etc. Did you see the bloke who lost in Peterborough talk about education?
You actually think the Tories are deliberately NOT going to stand in some seats at a GE?
Boris at the moment is bumbling along saying he'll renegotiate the WA. He cant put that in his manifesto once the EU have already said no. The latest polls are meaningless. | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 17:54 - Jun 12 with 1095 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 17:50 - Jun 12 by baldyoldgit |
UKIP got 24 seats last time and then failed to win a single seat in the GE. UKIP2.0 got a few more seats in EU elections this time but beyond Farage they are unelectable. Have you seen the utter clowns they have sent to Brussels? Without Farage they are all Nutalls, Boltons, Widdecombes and other odd job racists, dingbats and loons.
No one trusts them on important matters like health, education, transport, etc. Did you see the bloke who lost in Peterborough talk about education?
You actually think the Tories are deliberately NOT going to stand in some seats at a GE?
Boris at the moment is bumbling along saying he'll renegotiate the WA. He cant put that in his manifesto once the EU have already said no. The latest polls are meaningless. |
The latest polls are meaningless
Unless they support remain, apparently. | |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 17:58 - Jun 12 with 1082 views | baldyoldgit |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 17:31 - Jun 12 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
Would take more Tory members to leave the party and vote with the opposition, I suspect seeing Change UK fall on their ass would put them off and the opposition would not have the numbers.
Even Labour members abstained in the vote today. |
today's vote is meaningless really. Probably Labour just testing the water. A shame it lost but there you go. Only lost by a handful of votes and no deal is as far away as it ever was. I suspect Labour are quite looking forward to a new Tory PM shuffling off to Brussels spouting jingoistic nonsense and then coming home with their tail between their legs, like Davis, like Raab, like May. I know I am. | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 18:02 - Jun 12 with 1074 views | QPR_John |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 17:13 - Jun 12 by baldyoldgit |
doesn't really matter. All the new PM hopefuls have said they will renegotiate the WA. Europe will say "non".
Then what?
Vote of no confidence and a general election. Manifesto time!!! Leave or remain??? Everyone has to write it down. Split votes all over the place. Tories lose more to Lib Dems, SNP and UKIP2.0 than Labour lose. No clear majority. Labour/SNP government is my guess.
Or, Tories see the writing on the wall and offer a 2nd ref in their manifesto |
"Labour/SNP government is my guess. "
That would be interesting a party whose sole raison d'etre is to dismantle the UK governing the UK | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 18:02 - Jun 12 with 1074 views | baldyoldgit |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 17:54 - Jun 12 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
The latest polls are meaningless
Unless they support remain, apparently. |
do you think the EU will renegotiate the WA with Boris Johnson? Simple question : yes or no. | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 18:04 - Jun 12 with 1069 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 18:02 - Jun 12 by QPR_John |
"Labour/SNP government is my guess. "
That would be interesting a party whose sole raison d'etre is to dismantle the UK governing the UK |
Well we have some religious nutters propping the government up now and everything is going well. | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 18:05 - Jun 12 with 1067 views | QPR_John |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 18:02 - Jun 12 by baldyoldgit |
do you think the EU will renegotiate the WA with Boris Johnson? Simple question : yes or no. |
I don't know. However saying you won't renegotiate when the party on the other side of the table says OK can I kiss your backside is easy. | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 18:05 - Jun 12 with 1065 views | johncharles |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 14:36 - Jun 12 by Hayesender |
Nothing to see here, just another delightful leftie luvvy spouting bile against anyone they deem to be right wing |
You wouldn't catch Tommy Yaxley whotsit Robinson say anything like that. |  |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 18:13 - Jun 12 with 1045 views | baldyoldgit |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 18:02 - Jun 12 by QPR_John |
"Labour/SNP government is my guess. "
That would be interesting a party whose sole raison d'etre is to dismantle the UK governing the UK |
we just sent 29 MEPs to Brussels whose sole raison d'etre is to dismantle the EU. shit happens.
I think Corbyn would offer the SNP a referendum on independence to join him in government. He's not likely to win enough seats without them | | | |
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