| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo 16:54 - Apr 16 with 24189 views | loftboy |
All my deliveries were in W1, SW1 and SE1, drove past the shell building, it’s covered in graffiti, ended up with an hours overtime as it took me best part of two hours to get back to East London from Victoria.
So one big question, how is causing massive traffic jams good for the environment?
My company has just replaced its entire fleet of 100 vans with ultra low emission vans, all buses are now super green, so businesses seem to be doing their bit. Just seems senseless to me. |  |
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| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 17:27 - Apr 17 with 2177 views | W12Mikey |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 18:43 - Apr 16 by Antti_Heinola |
Unfortunately, 'it's not worth it because them lot are doing more of it' is not going to cut it. There simply isn't time for that sort of nonsense.
China is at least spending a lot of money on looking for (and finding) green solutions, and suspect over the coming years they'll lead the way on that score. We can't just sit around pointing at each other arguing over who is and who isn't doing their bit. Real action is needed and fast, and until governments wake up and start properly legislating I hope protests like this (that are happening in many countries over the coming weeks) continue. This is the single biggest issue in the world for everyone - it's astonishing how it's continually dismissed, kicked down the road or put on the backburner.
Well done the protestors - keep it up. |
I have a lot of time for Antti's views on football, but was pretty disappointed (OK - absolutely enraged is more accurate) by his encouragement for the protestors. The point is not whether you agree that climate change is a menace etc (for the record, I personally think the danger has been exaggerated and that reducing carbon emissions should not be our biggest priority); the point is what behaviour is legitimate in trying to persuade other people of your view? I am just about OK with peaceful protest involving marching down the street waving banners etc (although even that is clearly disruptive to other people's right to use the street) but Extinction Rebellion clearly state that they intend to cause disruption to other people's lives in order to force the government to adopt their policies. I consider that completely unacceptable. We live in a democracy, where if people want a government that thinks their environmental concerns are the most important issue then they can vote Green, or even form their own party. In fact, at the 2017 General Election only 1.9% of voters actually voted Green. So it sounds like these protests are an attempt by a tiny minority of fanatics to force their views on the rest of us.
Would Antti be equally supportive of holders of other minority views disrupting his life to force the government to adopt their views? Brexit supporters for example? Oh..wait.. that's not a minority view, is it? |  | | |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 17:28 - Apr 17 with 2175 views | ngbqpr |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 15:18 - Apr 17 by BuckR |
Nah I'm alright. Might book myself a flight to Barbados for next week instead and let all this blow over |
Not doing Derby away then? |  |
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| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 17:35 - Apr 17 with 2154 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 17:27 - Apr 17 by W12Mikey |
I have a lot of time for Antti's views on football, but was pretty disappointed (OK - absolutely enraged is more accurate) by his encouragement for the protestors. The point is not whether you agree that climate change is a menace etc (for the record, I personally think the danger has been exaggerated and that reducing carbon emissions should not be our biggest priority); the point is what behaviour is legitimate in trying to persuade other people of your view? I am just about OK with peaceful protest involving marching down the street waving banners etc (although even that is clearly disruptive to other people's right to use the street) but Extinction Rebellion clearly state that they intend to cause disruption to other people's lives in order to force the government to adopt their policies. I consider that completely unacceptable. We live in a democracy, where if people want a government that thinks their environmental concerns are the most important issue then they can vote Green, or even form their own party. In fact, at the 2017 General Election only 1.9% of voters actually voted Green. So it sounds like these protests are an attempt by a tiny minority of fanatics to force their views on the rest of us.
Would Antti be equally supportive of holders of other minority views disrupting his life to force the government to adopt their views? Brexit supporters for example? Oh..wait.. that's not a minority view, is it? |
To be Frank your opinion on wether it’s exaggerated means fck all.
You might as well debate the existence of gravity. |  | | |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 17:37 - Apr 17 with 2148 views | BuckR |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 17:27 - Apr 17 by W12Mikey |
I have a lot of time for Antti's views on football, but was pretty disappointed (OK - absolutely enraged is more accurate) by his encouragement for the protestors. The point is not whether you agree that climate change is a menace etc (for the record, I personally think the danger has been exaggerated and that reducing carbon emissions should not be our biggest priority); the point is what behaviour is legitimate in trying to persuade other people of your view? I am just about OK with peaceful protest involving marching down the street waving banners etc (although even that is clearly disruptive to other people's right to use the street) but Extinction Rebellion clearly state that they intend to cause disruption to other people's lives in order to force the government to adopt their policies. I consider that completely unacceptable. We live in a democracy, where if people want a government that thinks their environmental concerns are the most important issue then they can vote Green, or even form their own party. In fact, at the 2017 General Election only 1.9% of voters actually voted Green. So it sounds like these protests are an attempt by a tiny minority of fanatics to force their views on the rest of us.
Would Antti be equally supportive of holders of other minority views disrupting his life to force the government to adopt their views? Brexit supporters for example? Oh..wait.. that's not a minority view, is it? |
You're talking far too much common sense for this thread (myself included) [Post edited 17 Apr 2019 17:39]
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| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 17:42 - Apr 17 with 2133 views | W12Mikey |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 17:35 - Apr 17 by BazzaInTheLoft |
To be Frank your opinion on wether it’s exaggerated means fck all.
You might as well debate the existence of gravity. |
Thanks for your contribution, I'm sure everyone has found it enlightening.
I mentioned my view on climate change just so people could have an idea of the context for my other comments. And saying it's exaggerated is not the same as saying it doesn't exist (which I didn't say, because as everyone who has studied the topic knows, climate is changing and as far as we know has never been unchanging). | | | |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 17:51 - Apr 17 with 2110 views | Boston |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 19:09 - Apr 16 by colinallcars |
There are places along our east coast that are gradually being lost to the sea - mainly in Suffolk and Yorkshire but I think it's been going on for hundreds of years rather than climate change |
That is correct sir. The coastline, left to its own devices, erodes on the east and deposits on the south coast of Britain. A good example of the redeposit is seen if you ever visit the site of the Battle of Hastings. William and his no mates army came ashore at a beach that is now a couple of miles inland. | |
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| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 17:51 - Apr 17 with 2112 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 17:42 - Apr 17 by W12Mikey |
Thanks for your contribution, I'm sure everyone has found it enlightening.
I mentioned my view on climate change just so people could have an idea of the context for my other comments. And saying it's exaggerated is not the same as saying it doesn't exist (which I didn't say, because as everyone who has studied the topic knows, climate is changing and as far as we know has never been unchanging). |
The existence of man made climate change can’t be debated any more. I know the wording looks arrogant but that’s how it is 🤷â€â™‚ï¸ [Post edited 17 Apr 2019 17:55]
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| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 18:14 - Apr 17 with 2068 views | qprd |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 17:51 - Apr 17 by Boston |
That is correct sir. The coastline, left to its own devices, erodes on the east and deposits on the south coast of Britain. A good example of the redeposit is seen if you ever visit the site of the Battle of Hastings. William and his no mates army came ashore at a beach that is now a couple of miles inland. |
just to clarify, you are aware that two phenomenon can have an effect on something at the same time?
for example, each year, i get less healthy due to the natural aging process (slower metabolism, weaker immune system, etc)
but i can also exacerbate this by smoking 5 packs of cigarettes a day, drinking 3 pints and exclusively eating mcdonalds
im not sure how people cant understand that its possible for certain geological phenomenon to take place.... but they be exacerbated by human activity | | | |
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| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 18:37 - Apr 17 with 2037 views | Northolt_Rs |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 18:14 - Apr 17 by qprd |
just to clarify, you are aware that two phenomenon can have an effect on something at the same time?
for example, each year, i get less healthy due to the natural aging process (slower metabolism, weaker immune system, etc)
but i can also exacerbate this by smoking 5 packs of cigarettes a day, drinking 3 pints and exclusively eating mcdonalds
im not sure how people cant understand that its possible for certain geological phenomenon to take place.... but they be exacerbated by human activity |
F uck this boring thread - I’m off to have a fag, a beer and a burger. |  |
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| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 18:41 - Apr 17 with 2026 views | ElHoop |
If the 'natural' part of global warming is X and our 'human' contribution to global warming is Y and the maximum temperature at which the world as we know it can be sustained is Z, then given that X + Y must = Z, does it matter whether it's X or Y that go up or down individually, as we have to make it balance whatever it is that's sending it out of balance? |  | | |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 19:18 - Apr 17 with 1968 views | Northolt_Rs |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 18:41 - Apr 17 by ElHoop |
If the 'natural' part of global warming is X and our 'human' contribution to global warming is Y and the maximum temperature at which the world as we know it can be sustained is Z, then given that X + Y must = Z, does it matter whether it's X or Y that go up or down individually, as we have to make it balance whatever it is that's sending it out of balance? |
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| Scooters, Tunes, Trainers and QPR. |
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| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 19:26 - Apr 17 with 1957 views | plasmahoop |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 17:51 - Apr 17 by BazzaInTheLoft |
The existence of man made climate change can’t be debated any more. I know the wording looks arrogant but that’s how it is 🤷â€â™‚ï¸ [Post edited 17 Apr 2019 17:55]
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I think w12 mikey very eruditely put why the protestors are wrong, not for their reasoning. We do need to sort out environmentally, it would be better if it was ore mainstream. Whilst I despise corbyn and the shouty, angry left, I normally respect your posts bazza, but slagging him off doesn't help your cause | | | |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 19:50 - Apr 17 with 1913 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 19:26 - Apr 17 by plasmahoop |
I think w12 mikey very eruditely put why the protestors are wrong, not for their reasoning. We do need to sort out environmentally, it would be better if it was ore mainstream. Whilst I despise corbyn and the shouty, angry left, I normally respect your posts bazza, but slagging him off doesn't help your cause |
Sorry you feel that way Plasma but I didn’t refer to the poster at all in a negative way. Not even once. [Post edited 17 Apr 2019 19:51]
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| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 19:55 - Apr 17 with 1907 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
The only reason we have weekends, minimum pay, female suffrage, abolitionism etc etc etc is because of direct action.
I’m sure people had a whinge about their commute or graffiti stains then too.
History will only look favourably on one side of this. | | | |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 20:04 - Apr 17 with 1895 views | plasmahoop |
You didn't slag him off personally bazza, but he had a well reasoned argument and you just dismissed it, but with a one liner. This is part of the problem, these are complex issues and worthy of greater consideration than just protest. I agree that direct action has led to the advances you mention, but I'm not sure this one has been thought through in the same way. It just seems counterproductive. But as you say, history may judge it better | | | |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 20:52 - Apr 17 with 1846 views | BuckR |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 20:04 - Apr 17 by plasmahoop |
You didn't slag him off personally bazza, but he had a well reasoned argument and you just dismissed it, but with a one liner. This is part of the problem, these are complex issues and worthy of greater consideration than just protest. I agree that direct action has led to the advances you mention, but I'm not sure this one has been thought through in the same way. It just seems counterproductive. But as you say, history may judge it better |
That first line of your reply was a shock?! Surely not! | | | |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 22:24 - Apr 17 with 1763 views | plasmahoop |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 20:52 - Apr 17 by BuckR |
That first line of your reply was a shock?! Surely not! |
I don't know, sometimes i just shouldn't comment. It seemed disrespectful but maybe not personal.
Either way, I think what bugs me about the protests is that, whilst direct action has gained results in the past, there is a difference between the situation of the Jarrow marchers, and these protestors. Oppressed, suffering working class versus this current lot. It doesn't sit comfortably, but best I shut up | | | |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 22:27 - Apr 17 with 1758 views | LadbrokeR |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 22:25 - Apr 16 by smegma |
The Police should be armed with bars of soap to throw at the protestors. |
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| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 22:28 - Apr 17 with 1755 views | ElHoop |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 19:18 - Apr 17 by Northolt_Rs |
WTF? |
Good at maths are you? | | | |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 23:02 - Apr 17 with 1724 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 22:24 - Apr 17 by plasmahoop |
I don't know, sometimes i just shouldn't comment. It seemed disrespectful but maybe not personal.
Either way, I think what bugs me about the protests is that, whilst direct action has gained results in the past, there is a difference between the situation of the Jarrow marchers, and these protestors. Oppressed, suffering working class versus this current lot. It doesn't sit comfortably, but best I shut up |
You have people calling 13 year olds, doctors, and teachers scroungers and another who said that police should throw soap at them and I am the disrespectful one because I challenged some pretty silly statements.
Value systems are back to front.
Never hush up though just because a few strangers on the Internet say so. I didn’t become the obnoxious self righteous arsehole I am now by keeping quiet. [Post edited 17 Apr 2019 23:03]
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| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 23:06 - Apr 17 with 1718 views | WilloW4 |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 19:55 - Apr 17 by BazzaInTheLoft |
The only reason we have weekends, minimum pay, female suffrage, abolitionism etc etc etc is because of direct action.
I’m sure people had a whinge about their commute or graffiti stains then too.
History will only look favourably on one side of this. |
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| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 08:51 - Apr 18 with 1556 views | FDC |
Shout out to WilloW4 for fkcing up the page rendering. |  | | |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 11:43 - Apr 18 with 1431 views | YorkRanger |
Climate change is a massive issue and something that should concern everyone, particularly those with children and grandchildren.
I do think however that these sort of protests, that inconvenience and impact people going about their daily lives (such as trying to get to work on time or get home without significant disruption), rarely generate the level of public support/sympathy that they seek. |  | | |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 11:52 - Apr 18 with 1414 views | RangersDave |
fecking gluing themselves to an electric train. not a diesel one. utter tools |  |
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| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 11:53 - Apr 18 with 1414 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 11:43 - Apr 18 by YorkRanger |
Climate change is a massive issue and something that should concern everyone, particularly those with children and grandchildren.
I do think however that these sort of protests, that inconvenience and impact people going about their daily lives (such as trying to get to work on time or get home without significant disruption), rarely generate the level of public support/sympathy that they seek. |
I can’t see an alternative seeing as people have been quietly signing petitions since the 1950s.
Nothing gets done until capital and economics are disrupted. | | | |
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