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Tory Leadership Race 09:57 - May 31 with 57726 viewsDorse

Not a party political thing or a reason for an LFW punch-up, but I keep having the eerie feeling that eventually every single Tory MP will put themselves forward leaving Teresa May with the casting vote. At which point, she cackles maniacally and slowly points at Jacob Rees Mogg sitting at the back, with the entire parliamentary party turning to stare at him... He is seen to gulp and mutter 'Oh, copulate my happenstance'

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Tory Leadership Race on 09:50 - Jun 19 with 1470 viewsKonk

Tory Leadership Race on 09:30 - Jun 19 by Maggsinho

No, he definitely struggled with the imam's name, whether he was frightened of mispronouncing it or couldn't remember, either way it's not a good look.


Johnson did make me chuckle with his, "Hey, I can't be Islamophobic, I'm Turkish, I love the Turks! I'm a Turk! I eat Baklava in Harringay! My Great-Grandfather wore a fez!". It's almost like he wasn't the figurehead of the Vote Leave organisation that produced a poster saying: "Turkey, population 76 million, is joining the EU. Vote Leave - Take Back Control." - when he knew full well that there's about as much chance of Turkey joining the EU as there is of Messi signing for Port Vale.

And on Zaghari-Ratcliffe - Don't blame me, blame the Iranians! Just because I undermined her own story, I don't see how I can be in any way responsible for weakening her case, even though the Iranians quoted me when extending her sentence!

Interesting that the Tories now just refer to Labour as "Corbyn" too.

We are absolutely fuc ked.

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Tory Leadership Race on 09:56 - Jun 19 with 1455 viewsMaggsinho

Tory Leadership Race on 09:50 - Jun 19 by Konk

Johnson did make me chuckle with his, "Hey, I can't be Islamophobic, I'm Turkish, I love the Turks! I'm a Turk! I eat Baklava in Harringay! My Great-Grandfather wore a fez!". It's almost like he wasn't the figurehead of the Vote Leave organisation that produced a poster saying: "Turkey, population 76 million, is joining the EU. Vote Leave - Take Back Control." - when he knew full well that there's about as much chance of Turkey joining the EU as there is of Messi signing for Port Vale.

And on Zaghari-Ratcliffe - Don't blame me, blame the Iranians! Just because I undermined her own story, I don't see how I can be in any way responsible for weakening her case, even though the Iranians quoted me when extending her sentence!

Interesting that the Tories now just refer to Labour as "Corbyn" too.

We are absolutely fuc ked.


Not too mention the bit when he claimed people were 'escalating his words'.

Yes, Boris your own poisonous words.
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Tory Leadership Race on 10:06 - Jun 19 with 1424 viewsstevec

In the end, it's Tory MPs then Tory members voting for a Tory PM.

I do not get why we need these ludicrous TV debates, not least because instead of serious issues all the media want to know is how many kids you've got or whether you've smoked dope. We don't care. The level of journalism, particularly on TV these days, is pathetic.

Regards the main issue at present, Brexit, what the hell can they say. It's a bit like asking a Football manager on a Monday what team is he going to put out on Saturday, you'd have to be a special kind of idiot to give all your plans away so the opposition can hijack it, which is precisely what that clown May did and got skewered.
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Tory Leadership Race on 10:07 - Jun 19 with 1414 viewsPlanetHonneywood

Tory Leadership Race on 09:56 - Jun 19 by Maggsinho

Not too mention the bit when he claimed people were 'escalating his words'.

Yes, Boris your own poisonous words.


Somewhere in the recesses of his mind, you know something triggered just in time to save him from saying: “Some of my best friends are Muslims...why only last week I, I , I had a beer with my good friend Sajid here, and he’s one of them...or very close to being one of them! So I think that answers the, err, umm, bloke with a turbin’s question.’

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Tory Leadership Race on 10:14 - Jun 19 with 1403 viewsKonk

Tory Leadership Race on 10:06 - Jun 19 by stevec

In the end, it's Tory MPs then Tory members voting for a Tory PM.

I do not get why we need these ludicrous TV debates, not least because instead of serious issues all the media want to know is how many kids you've got or whether you've smoked dope. We don't care. The level of journalism, particularly on TV these days, is pathetic.

Regards the main issue at present, Brexit, what the hell can they say. It's a bit like asking a Football manager on a Monday what team is he going to put out on Saturday, you'd have to be a special kind of idiot to give all your plans away so the opposition can hijack it, which is precisely what that clown May did and got skewered.


Re not revealing your true Brexit plans - do you genuinely believe those candidates have workable plans that they're keeping up their sleeves? Unless the rest of the UK biffs-off Northern Ireland, we're stuck with a land border with the EU. Given Johnson has continuously been completely vague about what 'technology' he reckons would get round the problem, I'd say that the truth is, he's absolutely winging it, just as he reportedly winged-it when he was at the Foreign Office. Not a great quality for a prospective PM.

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Tory Leadership Race on 10:15 - Jun 19 with 1401 viewsAntti_Heinola

Tory Leadership Race on 10:06 - Jun 19 by stevec

In the end, it's Tory MPs then Tory members voting for a Tory PM.

I do not get why we need these ludicrous TV debates, not least because instead of serious issues all the media want to know is how many kids you've got or whether you've smoked dope. We don't care. The level of journalism, particularly on TV these days, is pathetic.

Regards the main issue at present, Brexit, what the hell can they say. It's a bit like asking a Football manager on a Monday what team is he going to put out on Saturday, you'd have to be a special kind of idiot to give all your plans away so the opposition can hijack it, which is precisely what that clown May did and got skewered.


Giggling at the idea that any of them have got a plan. Nice one stevec - given me a good laugh on a rainy morning!

Bare bones.

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Tory Leadership Race on 10:20 - Jun 19 with 1386 viewsstevec

I'm curious, this is open to everyone...

Have you ever made, even historically, what might be construed as a racist joke?
Have you ever laughed, even historically, at what might be construed as a racist joke?
Have you ever made comment about someone dressed in a full burka?
Have you ever made crude sexual comments about anyone of the opposite sex amongst your mates?
Have you ever taken drugs?

Because if anyone on here can honestly say No to every one of those questions then by all means keep on slagging off Trump and Boris for the same old things ad nauseam, you're a better man (or woman) than me.
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Tory Leadership Race on 10:21 - Jun 19 with 1382 viewsMaggsinho

Tory Leadership Race on 10:06 - Jun 19 by stevec

In the end, it's Tory MPs then Tory members voting for a Tory PM.

I do not get why we need these ludicrous TV debates, not least because instead of serious issues all the media want to know is how many kids you've got or whether you've smoked dope. We don't care. The level of journalism, particularly on TV these days, is pathetic.

Regards the main issue at present, Brexit, what the hell can they say. It's a bit like asking a Football manager on a Monday what team is he going to put out on Saturday, you'd have to be a special kind of idiot to give all your plans away so the opposition can hijack it, which is precisely what that clown May did and got skewered.


It's hard to argue that there shouldn't be a public scrutiny of our next Prime Minister.
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Tory Leadership Race on 10:24 - Jun 19 with 1375 viewsKonk

Tory Leadership Race on 10:07 - Jun 19 by PlanetHonneywood

Somewhere in the recesses of his mind, you know something triggered just in time to save him from saying: “Some of my best friends are Muslims...why only last week I, I , I had a beer with my good friend Sajid here, and he’s one of them...or very close to being one of them! So I think that answers the, err, umm, bloke with a turbin’s question.’


"I wonder what my Great-Grandfather, with his moustache, and his funny little Tommy Cooper plant pot hat would say if he could see me here, on the verge of becoming the British Prime Minister, having successfully led a campaign featuring posters that played on people's dislike of Muslims by falsely claiming that Turkey was joining the EU, with the implication being that 76 million Turks would be moving down your street...I'm sure he'd be very proud".

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Tory Leadership Race on 10:26 - Jun 19 with 1368 viewsrobith

Tory Leadership Race on 10:20 - Jun 19 by stevec

I'm curious, this is open to everyone...

Have you ever made, even historically, what might be construed as a racist joke?
Have you ever laughed, even historically, at what might be construed as a racist joke?
Have you ever made comment about someone dressed in a full burka?
Have you ever made crude sexual comments about anyone of the opposite sex amongst your mates?
Have you ever taken drugs?

Because if anyone on here can honestly say No to every one of those questions then by all means keep on slagging off Trump and Boris for the same old things ad nauseam, you're a better man (or woman) than me.


Would you not say that there is a difference between people making those mistakes, and those who want to hold the highest office doing them in a national newspaper column though? Like you might have made an off colour joke, it happens, but that also probably precludes you from governing people you made the butt of a joke?

And on the drugs part, I find it weird that we have this squeamishness about politcos taking drugs when the whole country is charged up to the eyeballs, but in Gove's case he brought in rules that banned teachers for life if they used drugs so it's a big hypocritical of him tbh
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Tory Leadership Race on 10:42 - Jun 19 with 1346 viewsbaldyoldgit

Tory Leadership Race on 10:06 - Jun 19 by stevec

In the end, it's Tory MPs then Tory members voting for a Tory PM.

I do not get why we need these ludicrous TV debates, not least because instead of serious issues all the media want to know is how many kids you've got or whether you've smoked dope. We don't care. The level of journalism, particularly on TV these days, is pathetic.

Regards the main issue at present, Brexit, what the hell can they say. It's a bit like asking a Football manager on a Monday what team is he going to put out on Saturday, you'd have to be a special kind of idiot to give all your plans away so the opposition can hijack it, which is precisely what that clown May did and got skewered.


you're right about the personal stuff in the fact we don't care. I don't care whether he has 5 or 6 or 56 kids. what I do care about is that he wont'cant answer the simplest of questions. I've got 3 kids - there simple. if he can't be trusted to properly answer those sort of questions how can he be trusted on anything else.

May's deal wasn't skewered because she gave away her plans - they were skewered because she tried to trick the EU into us leaving without actually leaving. She wanted to move straight from our current treaty to a brand new one and the EU said no.
Did any of them actually say 'how' they would renegotiate the deal if EU said no? The problem isn't negotiating strengths, personalities, etc. The problem is no one in government actually wants to leave the EU. None of them say it'll be a good thing. they all say it's the will of the people or honourig the referendum. If it was at all doable without cataclysmic consequences we would have left already.
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Tory Leadership Race on 10:55 - Jun 19 with 1332 viewsBazzaInTheLoft

Tory Leadership Race on 10:20 - Jun 19 by stevec

I'm curious, this is open to everyone...

Have you ever made, even historically, what might be construed as a racist joke?
Have you ever laughed, even historically, at what might be construed as a racist joke?
Have you ever made comment about someone dressed in a full burka?
Have you ever made crude sexual comments about anyone of the opposite sex amongst your mates?
Have you ever taken drugs?

Because if anyone on here can honestly say No to every one of those questions then by all means keep on slagging off Trump and Boris for the same old things ad nauseam, you're a better man (or woman) than me.


I’ve never published any of my racist / homophobic / sexist comments in The Spectator/ Fox News

I’ve never done it for a fee.

I’ve never done it to court the UKIP / Tea Party / Alt Right vote.

I’ve never done it as recently as last week.

I’ve never done it while trying to become PM or sitting as President.
[Post edited 19 Jun 2019 10:58]
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Tory Leadership Race on 11:03 - Jun 19 with 1303 viewsClive_Anderson

Is there ever a thread on politics without people loudly telling us how Islamaphobic we all are?

Yes we're all terrible people for showing concern at an ideology that has never managed to peacefully co-exist in large numbers with anyone else in history.
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Tory Leadership Race on 11:10 - Jun 19 with 1287 viewsderbyhoop

A very poor excuse for an intellectual debate.

5 men in suits talking over each other. and failing, in almost every case, to answer the questions put to them.
On the biggest issue of the day, there were various promises, none of them deliverable. And certainly not by Oct 31st.

No winners, no real losers. Apart from a UK led by any one of them.

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Tory Leadership Race (n/t) on 11:10 - Jun 19 with 1283 viewsBazzaInTheLoft

Tory Leadership Race on 11:03 - Jun 19 by Clive_Anderson

Is there ever a thread on politics without people loudly telling us how Islamaphobic we all are?

Yes we're all terrible people for showing concern at an ideology that has never managed to peacefully co-exist in large numbers with anyone else in history.


[Post edited 19 Jun 2019 11:28]
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Tory Leadership Race on 11:16 - Jun 19 with 1271 viewsBuckR

Think this site needs re-branding to "Left for Words"
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Tory Leadership Race on 11:34 - Jun 19 with 1228 viewsrobith

Tory Leadership Race on 11:03 - Jun 19 by Clive_Anderson

Is there ever a thread on politics without people loudly telling us how Islamaphobic we all are?

Yes we're all terrible people for showing concern at an ideology that has never managed to peacefully co-exist in large numbers with anyone else in history.


Could you point to where it's happened in this thread? Bar a very specific discussion regarding Johnson's questioning the debate about remarks he's made, this comment feels a little out of the blue
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Tory Leadership Race on 11:36 - Jun 19 with 1223 viewsbaldyoldgit

Tory Leadership Race on 11:16 - Jun 19 by BuckR

Think this site needs re-branding to "Left for Words"


i lurk/post on 4 message boards. This one, an Everton one (don't ask), a small lower league one and one connected with my work. This is by a country mile the most right wing/ brexity one.
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Tory Leadership Race on 11:37 - Jun 19 with 1217 viewsBucksRanger

Tory Leadership Race on 09:27 - Jun 19 by stowmarketrange

It seemed ironic that Boris couldn’t remember the name of the imam,but seemed ok with Erin who asked about climate change.He kept calling him “our friend here” or something similar.
Or was that just me not seeing that everyone else was doing the same?


https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1142367/bbc-tv-debate-boris-johnson-imam
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Tory Leadership Race on 11:53 - Jun 19 with 1183 viewsrobith

Wow, the Beeb really dropped one on the background checks eh
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Tory Leadership Race on 11:53 - Jun 19 with 1183 viewsClive_Anderson

Tory Leadership Race on 11:34 - Jun 19 by robith

Could you point to where it's happened in this thread? Bar a very specific discussion regarding Johnson's questioning the debate about remarks he's made, this comment feels a little out of the blue


There's a few comments about Islamaphobia and dislike of Muslims on here isn't there?
And during the debate too.

The funny thing is that the question was asked by a Iman who turns out to have made disturbing anti-semitic comments himself. The fact that this sort of prevalent attitude might be linked to "Islamaphobia" was probably lost on him.

Anyway I don't want to hijack the thread so best not say anymore about it.
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Tory Leadership Race on 11:54 - Jun 19 with 1176 viewsMytch_QPR

Tory Leadership Race on 11:36 - Jun 19 by baldyoldgit

i lurk/post on 4 message boards. This one, an Everton one (don't ask), a small lower league one and one connected with my work. This is by a country mile the most right wing/ brexity one.


In terms of regular posters, I would disagree to some extent - I think that a lot of the 'left leaning' posters have given up trying to get common sense through to the hardline Brexit crew. I know you tried (in vain) on another thread - it was a valiant effort but, as per usual, there's not a willingness to enter into a dialogue.

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Tory Leadership Race on 12:00 - Jun 19 with 1160 viewstimcocking

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Tory Leadership Race on 12:41 - Jun 19 with 1103 views2Thomas2Bowles

Tory Leadership Race on 11:36 - Jun 19 by baldyoldgit

i lurk/post on 4 message boards. This one, an Everton one (don't ask), a small lower league one and one connected with my work. This is by a country mile the most right wing/ brexity one.


Considering the number of Remaines going off on this thread

[Post edited 19 Jun 2019 12:55]

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Tory Leadership Race on 12:48 - Jun 19 with 1079 viewsR_from_afar

Tory Leadership Race on 11:03 - Jun 19 by Clive_Anderson

Is there ever a thread on politics without people loudly telling us how Islamaphobic we all are?

Yes we're all terrible people for showing concern at an ideology that has never managed to peacefully co-exist in large numbers with anyone else in history.


All faiths have extremists but France and the UK are two countries in which large numbers of Muslims are successfully coexisting with those with different beliefs, or indeed no beliefs at all.

#coexist

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