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Ashes thread 17:11 - Jul 15 with 88643 viewsjohnhoop

Now that the World Cup’s done and dusted we can turn our attention to the next major event.
For me the most interesting questions about team selection are;
1) Do we open with Jason Roy? For me it’s a no brainer. I know all the arguments against- he doesn’t even open for Surrey, he struggles against the moving ball etc- but I feel that he’s in such good form and the alternatives are so mediocre that it would be silly not to. If he does come off he could give us control of the game in the first couple of hours. Him and Rory Burns for me.
2) Now that Jofra Archer has to have a place in the side, who are the other two quick bowlers going to be. If fit I guess Anderson has to play and I would give the third spot to Woakes but this means no place for Stuart Broad and the 90 mph+ Mark Wood.
3) Which spinner to go with - Ali or Rashid? Ali’s batting form seems to have dipped but it’s still not an easy decision to make.
Any thoughts?
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Ashes thread on 17:43 - Jul 25 with 2151 viewsCiderwithRsie

Ashes thread on 23:24 - Jul 24 by qprd

Its not blathering- With good captaincy, India should've won that series. England's batting was godawful that series, other than a few matchwinning performances from Curran and a few decent knocks from Buttler. Root was in bad form by his high standards, Cook was living off his double century against Australia and consistently failed until the oval send off. That England team was not particularly strong, as proven by the consistent selection of Keaton Jennings and the fact that they were basically 70-4 in every innings. And England was greatly helped by bad captaincy, poor selection (selecting 2 spinners at lords, persisting with injured ashwin) and lack of killer instinct

Separately, no one cares about the test rankings, other than maybe being 1st. My point is that England's test team is overrated by its own cricketing media which seems to think that England's incredible ODI team will translate to a good test side.

And as for Australia, its nonsensical to think that their current rankings mean anything. They played a year without the best test batsman in the world, and another world-class batsman. Would India have won the series against Australia with Smith and Warner? Probably not


It absolutely is blather.

You can get lucky in one match, especially an ODI. It is very, very hard to win a single Test by being lucky and you don't win a series 4-1 without being better than the opposition. And India were and are the No 1 test side in the world; better than Australia in all departments.
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Ashes thread on 18:03 - Jul 25 with 2106 viewsqprd

Ashes thread on 17:43 - Jul 25 by CiderwithRsie

It absolutely is blather.

You can get lucky in one match, especially an ODI. It is very, very hard to win a single Test by being lucky and you don't win a series 4-1 without being better than the opposition. And India were and are the No 1 test side in the world; better than Australia in all departments.


I never said India were unlucky- they lost because of bad captaincy, but England, by no stretch, played well in that series other than Curran, Jimmy Anderson

But your point about luck in test cricket is not true, either. at the lords test last year, india batted first in overcast seaming conditions and were bowled out cheaply. when england batted, the sun was shining and conditions became really batter-friendly. luck is a massive part of the game, particularly in england where batting conditions can change so radically, even between sessions... edited to add that england drew the last test of the 2005 ashes due, in part, to bad lighting, rain and thunderstorms... there's no way you can deny that luck isnt part of the game

australia's bowling is also much better than indias...
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Ashes thread on 18:05 - Jul 25 with 2102 viewsqprd

Ashes thread on 17:25 - Jul 25 by ElHoop

Well we're making very hard work of this. Maybe a 150 lead will be enough to scrape home, but even that looks beyond us at the moment.


curran to the rescue again
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Ashes thread on 18:14 - Jul 25 with 2093 viewsClive_Anderson

I love cricket probably more than football these days, but it does seem a bit random sometimes to me. At the start of every game I've absolutely no idea what it is going to happen.
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Ashes thread on 08:03 - Jul 26 with 1976 viewstoboboly

Had dinner at a function with Alistair Cook last night. Lovely guy.

Sexy Asian dwarves wanted.

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Ashes thread on 09:00 - Jul 26 with 1951 viewsMrSheen

I see Cameron Bancroft top-scored in the Aussie trial, grinding out a gritty 91. Now he’s taken the rough edges off his technique, he’s the perfect man to take the shine off the new ball.
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Ashes thread on 10:54 - Jul 26 with 1915 viewsMick_S

Ashes thread on 08:03 - Jul 26 by toboboly

Had dinner at a function with Alistair Cook last night. Lovely guy.


Andrew Strauss jumped into my brother's taxi in Antigua en route to a test match and made my brother pay. He owes my brother a fiver.

Did I ever mention that I was in Minder?

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Ashes thread on 11:08 - Jul 26 with 1908 viewstoboboly

Ashes thread on 10:54 - Jul 26 by Mick_S

Andrew Strauss jumped into my brother's taxi in Antigua en route to a test match and made my brother pay. He owes my brother a fiver.


I clearly got the better opener ;)

Sexy Asian dwarves wanted.

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Ashes thread on 13:27 - Jul 26 with 1864 viewsTonto

a better bowling performance so far...

will Ireland make lunch?

Why stop now, just when I'm hating it
Poll: Is it essential that QPR stay in the Borough of H&F?

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Ashes thread on 13:41 - Jul 26 with 1843 viewsrunningman75

With the England cricket team it is unlikely matches go into the 5th day unless weather affected either when winning or losing them. I cannot see games against the Aussies going the full way usually due to kamikaze batting. The Irish also look like they need their equivalent of a Boycott or Tavere to occupy the crease.
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Ashes thread on 13:50 - Jul 26 with 1830 viewsflynnbo

Impressive bowling and catching by England. Finally, putting the ball in the right areas.
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Ashes thread on 13:56 - Jul 26 with 1816 viewsconnell10

Id back England to bowl any team out in these conditions!

AND WHEN I DREAM , I DREAM ABOUT YOU AND WHEN I SCREAM I SCREAM ABOUT YOU!!!!!
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Ashes thread on 13:57 - Jul 26 with 1817 viewsCamberleyR

Will they beat India's 42 in 1974 which is the lowest score at Lord's in a test match.
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Ashes thread on 14:00 - Jul 26 with 1806 viewsWokingR

What a joke of a game !
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Ashes thread on 14:06 - Jul 26 with 1792 viewsElHoop

I'm not sure that Ireland would have got the runs in yesterday's conditions, but with that cloud cover they had no chance. The first ball of the day wrote the whole of today's script.

I think that the developing nations find it harder to bat than bowl, but let's be honest would you have fancied us to get 180 in today's conditions?
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Ashes thread on 14:07 - Jul 26 with 1787 viewsBrianMcCarthy

What the....!

"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
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Ashes thread on 14:09 - Jul 26 with 1781 viewsCamberleyR

At least that monkey is now off India's back for the lowest test match score at Lord's. I bet Farokh Engineer and Bishen Bedi were cheering every England wicket the closer it got to 42.

About 0.31 in. Geoff Arnold and Chris Old the destroyers that day.

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Ashes thread on 14:11 - Jul 26 with 1779 viewsBrianMcCarthy

I missed this morning's (brief!) innings but enjoyed the first two days. Great to be watching cricket again and looking forward to The Ashes and hopefully an English victory.

"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
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Ashes thread on 16:42 - Jul 26 with 1698 viewsMrSheen

Ashes thread on 14:11 - Jul 26 by BrianMcCarthy

I missed this morning's (brief!) innings but enjoyed the first two days. Great to be watching cricket again and looking forward to The Ashes and hopefully an English victory.


You're a Gent, sir! At least someone's happy cricket is on Sky.
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Ashes thread on 21:34 - Jul 26 with 1606 viewsBrianMcCarthy

Ashes thread on 16:42 - Jul 26 by MrSheen

You're a Gent, sir! At least someone's happy cricket is on Sky.


I love the Sky coverage, Sheen.

Bumble's brilliantly laconic, Holding is sarcastic and withering but that great drawl allows him to get away with it, Gower's impossible to dislike and Botham's...well... Botham.

They're knowledgeable and hugely entertaining. And - football commentators please note - gentlemanly and not in the least patronising towards their dear neighbours.

"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
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Ashes thread on 00:19 - Jul 27 with 1553 viewsMrSheen

Ashes thread on 21:34 - Jul 26 by BrianMcCarthy

I love the Sky coverage, Sheen.

Bumble's brilliantly laconic, Holding is sarcastic and withering but that great drawl allows him to get away with it, Gower's impossible to dislike and Botham's...well... Botham.

They're knowledgeable and hugely entertaining. And - football commentators please note - gentlemanly and not in the least patronising towards their dear neighbours.


Changing the subject, is anyone going to beat Limerick this year (apart from Cork and Tipp already)?
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Ashes thread on 00:51 - Jul 27 with 1536 viewsBrianMcCarthy

Ashes thread on 00:19 - Jul 27 by MrSheen

Changing the subject, is anyone going to beat Limerick this year (apart from Cork and Tipp already)?


Great question.

I don't think Limerick are spectacular, to be honest. They could be, but they're not yet. They also have a notoriously fickle, bandwagoning support base that will do them no favours.

Last year they were very lucky in the Semi-Final that Cork suffered huge injuries before and during the game and then for the Final Galway were wrecked with injuries as well. It was the luckiest Championship win in living memory.

Cork have proved twice since then that if you out-work, out-press and out-tackle them then you will out-score them. Their talent - as it stands now - is overstated.

But the alternatives are also incomplete:-

Kilkenny - dogged, relentless but rebuilding
Tipperary - mad talented, but lack pace in the backs
Wexford - tactically superb, but defensive and shouldn't be allowed to put up a big score by a serious opponent.

I make Limerick slight favourites, with Tipp most likely to dethrone them.

"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
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Ashes thread on 00:57 - Jul 27 with 1527 viewsCiderwithRsie

Ashes thread on 18:03 - Jul 25 by qprd

I never said India were unlucky- they lost because of bad captaincy, but England, by no stretch, played well in that series other than Curran, Jimmy Anderson

But your point about luck in test cricket is not true, either. at the lords test last year, india batted first in overcast seaming conditions and were bowled out cheaply. when england batted, the sun was shining and conditions became really batter-friendly. luck is a massive part of the game, particularly in england where batting conditions can change so radically, even between sessions... edited to add that england drew the last test of the 2005 ashes due, in part, to bad lighting, rain and thunderstorms... there's no way you can deny that luck isnt part of the game

australia's bowling is also much better than indias...
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Rubbish from start to finish.

India came to England as (rightly) top team in the world and got hammered 4-1. Doesn't fit your narrative so you have to pretend it doesn't count. It does.

No, Australia don't have better bowlers than India, let alone "much better." They don't even have better bowlers than England, whose bowlers aren't as good as India's overall. Clue: there is such a thing as spin bowling. Also, accuracy.

No, you don't win or draw test matches due to weather on the last day. There are 5 days and two innings each.
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Ashes thread on 00:58 - Jul 27 with 1526 viewsbob566

Ashes thread on 00:51 - Jul 27 by BrianMcCarthy

Great question.

I don't think Limerick are spectacular, to be honest. They could be, but they're not yet. They also have a notoriously fickle, bandwagoning support base that will do them no favours.

Last year they were very lucky in the Semi-Final that Cork suffered huge injuries before and during the game and then for the Final Galway were wrecked with injuries as well. It was the luckiest Championship win in living memory.

Cork have proved twice since then that if you out-work, out-press and out-tackle them then you will out-score them. Their talent - as it stands now - is overstated.

But the alternatives are also incomplete:-

Kilkenny - dogged, relentless but rebuilding
Tipperary - mad talented, but lack pace in the backs
Wexford - tactically superb, but defensive and shouldn't be allowed to put up a big score by a serious opponent.

I make Limerick slight favourites, with Tipp most likely to dethrone them.


I'll be amazed if limerick don't win it. Tipp the only ones who can stop them
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Ashes thread on 00:17 - Jul 28 with 1397 viewsMrSheen

Ashes thread on 00:51 - Jul 27 by BrianMcCarthy

Great question.

I don't think Limerick are spectacular, to be honest. They could be, but they're not yet. They also have a notoriously fickle, bandwagoning support base that will do them no favours.

Last year they were very lucky in the Semi-Final that Cork suffered huge injuries before and during the game and then for the Final Galway were wrecked with injuries as well. It was the luckiest Championship win in living memory.

Cork have proved twice since then that if you out-work, out-press and out-tackle them then you will out-score them. Their talent - as it stands now - is overstated.

But the alternatives are also incomplete:-

Kilkenny - dogged, relentless but rebuilding
Tipperary - mad talented, but lack pace in the backs
Wexford - tactically superb, but defensive and shouldn't be allowed to put up a big score by a serious opponent.

I make Limerick slight favourites, with Tipp most likely to dethrone them.


Harsh on Limerick? You’ll not much better, but from afar it seems that hurling is in a golden age with all the powers pulling their weight. You can see how quickly talented teams like Tipp, Waterford and Galway slide down the ladder when they aren’t at their best. Cork and Clare look good enough to have won championships in a less competitive age. Such a contrast with the football.
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