| Racism is respect... 13:55 - Sep 4 with 3838 views | aston_hoop |
according to Inter fans. Has anyone ever read such a load of nonsense?
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/49576840
But the big question is, at what point do clubs start actually getting punished? And what punishments? to who? Feels like in 2019 this isn't something that should still be discussed |  |
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| Racism is respect... on 14:09 - Sep 4 with 2813 views | RblockPrior |
When I read this yesterday I was simply amazed how thoughts like this can still exist in 2019 |  |
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| Racism is respect... on 14:21 - Sep 4 with 2793 views | stowmarketrange |
Not all Italian football fans are racist,but a fair few are,and the authorities turn a blind eye to it.
They need to start closing parts of stadiums where they find it happening.with the closures increasing after every incident.
When the club’s get hurt by lower attendances they might start taking action over it.
On the same lines,Chelshite have a fair few racist fans too,as do most clubs I’d guess,but I wonder why they have so many black and Asian fans going to the games,knowing that a racist might be sitting next to them?
They make token gestures like banning small groups of fans,but continue to praise a man found guilty of racially abusing a fellow player. |  | | |
| Racism is respect... on 14:43 - Sep 4 with 2740 views | Gloucs_R |
Monkey chants are ok because they are just supporting their team....
What a load of bllx. |  |
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| Racism is respect... on 14:49 - Sep 4 with 2717 views | kingsburyR |
I can honestly say I have never heard a racist chant at HQ in the last 15/20 years.
Not from a group or individual fan.
Although I have heard attacks on Strawberry blondes! |  |
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| Racism is respect... on 15:02 - Sep 4 with 2679 views | Boston |
When I saw the OP heading I thought this was going to be an Inter-racial thread. [Post edited 4 Sep 2019 15:03]
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| Racism is respect... on 15:39 - Sep 4 with 2611 views | Jeff |
| Racism is respect... on 14:49 - Sep 4 by kingsburyR |
I can honestly say I have never heard a racist chant at HQ in the last 15/20 years.
Not from a group or individual fan.
Although I have heard attacks on Strawberry blondes! |
there were definitely a few about Drogba in a tree when we played Chelsea... |  |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 16:00 - Sep 4 with 2559 views | thame_hoops |
| Racism is respect... on 15:39 - Sep 4 by Jeff |
there were definitely a few about Drogba in a tree when we played Chelsea... |
The homophobic one about Jose mourinho was the worst, embarrassing [Post edited 4 Sep 2019 16:08]
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| Racism is respect... on 16:07 - Sep 4 with 2548 views | Dorse |
In that case, we should probably all apologise to John Terry. After all, he is only guilty of giving Anton a good respecting. Bless you John, bless you. |  |
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| Racism is respect... on 16:12 - Sep 4 with 2531 views | smegma |
Do these divs reckon Hitler was misunderstood ?? | | | |
| Racism is respect... on 17:10 - Sep 4 with 2452 views | CiderwithRsie |
| Racism is respect... on 14:09 - Sep 4 by RblockPrior |
When I read this yesterday I was simply amazed how thoughts like this can still exist in 2019 |
The sad thing is that they are probably genuine.
Despite what some people will tell you about how bigoted and terrible the Brits are, and how sophisticated the continent is, we are generally streets ahead of most European nations on anti-racism, tolerance of gay and other sexualities, and disability issues.
I used to work someone who had previously worked in disability rights who said that when she spoke to people in most European countries they were amazed at the idea that anyone should do so much as have a ramp for wheelchair users.
I speak as someone who is deeply pro-European. | | | |
| Racism is respect... on 19:34 - Sep 4 with 2286 views | dannyblue |
I’m going to stick my neck out here to try and tease out some subtlety. I kind of get what they mean. If you’re totally partisan and want your team to win, and appearing to be racist isn’t a problem for you, and you think it might negatively affect a players’ performance, I can see how shouting something racist might be a result of ugly tactics rather than real racism. A way of trying to get an edge. It’s comparable (in type not degree) to trying to influence a ref by shouting for a penalty or a red card even though you don’t really think one is warranted.
At the same time, if appearing to be a racist isn’t a problem for you, you might in fact be racist. And as far as the authorities are concerned this behaviour should be treated as racist and unacceptable and sanctioned accordingly. |  | | |
| Racism is respect... on 22:17 - Sep 4 with 2129 views | CiderwithRsie |
| Racism is respect... on 19:34 - Sep 4 by dannyblue |
I’m going to stick my neck out here to try and tease out some subtlety. I kind of get what they mean. If you’re totally partisan and want your team to win, and appearing to be racist isn’t a problem for you, and you think it might negatively affect a players’ performance, I can see how shouting something racist might be a result of ugly tactics rather than real racism. A way of trying to get an edge. It’s comparable (in type not degree) to trying to influence a ref by shouting for a penalty or a red card even though you don’t really think one is warranted.
At the same time, if appearing to be a racist isn’t a problem for you, you might in fact be racist. And as far as the authorities are concerned this behaviour should be treated as racist and unacceptable and sanctioned accordingly. |
I too sort of get it, that's why I say they're probably genuine. Still balls though. BOS getting kicked all over the park is a "sign of respect" but it's still out of order and it's still bloody unpleasant for him.
Your last para is the point here, along with the failure to get what it's like to be on the receiving end even when it's their own player. | | | |
| Racism is respect... on 23:16 - Sep 4 with 2084 views | dannyblue |
| Racism is respect... on 22:17 - Sep 4 by CiderwithRsie |
I too sort of get it, that's why I say they're probably genuine. Still balls though. BOS getting kicked all over the park is a "sign of respect" but it's still out of order and it's still bloody unpleasant for him.
Your last para is the point here, along with the failure to get what it's like to be on the receiving end even when it's their own player. |
Excellent points. I’m revising my thought.
‘I’m not an aggressive cheat, I’m not like that, I’m just kicking BOS to help us win’. The action makes you an aggressive cheat regardless of your reasons or self-perception. Likewise racism. | | | |
| Racism is respect... on 00:27 - Sep 5 with 2043 views | Match82 |
| Racism is respect... on 19:34 - Sep 4 by dannyblue |
I’m going to stick my neck out here to try and tease out some subtlety. I kind of get what they mean. If you’re totally partisan and want your team to win, and appearing to be racist isn’t a problem for you, and you think it might negatively affect a players’ performance, I can see how shouting something racist might be a result of ugly tactics rather than real racism. A way of trying to get an edge. It’s comparable (in type not degree) to trying to influence a ref by shouting for a penalty or a red card even though you don’t really think one is warranted.
At the same time, if appearing to be a racist isn’t a problem for you, you might in fact be racist. And as far as the authorities are concerned this behaviour should be treated as racist and unacceptable and sanctioned accordingly. |
At the risk of wandering into a minefield, I'd say my position on what defines racism has changed.
Back in the day it was easy enough - think and say racist things, you're a racist.
But these days it's a little more nuanced. The above is still true, but even if you aren't a racist on those terms yourself, the influence you have on others is having an increasingly large impact on society simply because of our opportunity to influence others is increasing (hi social media)
So comments, jokes, "trying to put opposition players off", or other actions with negative racial undertones can have an impact or influence other more impressionable people to develop, secure or enhance their own racist opinions.
That to me means your action has negative implications on racism and is therefore racist.
Just my opinion. |  | | |
| Racism is respect... on 04:22 - Sep 5 with 1998 views | timcocking |
If it wasn't meant to be insulting, i couldn't care less. I'd take them at their word.
Every Italian i've ever met has been absolutely thoroughly charming (apart from that group we had a fight with) and they are a superb nationality imo. If they mean it as a compliment, what's the big deal? This absurd western media obsession with imaginary racism is purely to sow discord and sell more papers. I've never met a racist Italian. I've never met what i'd call a racist anywhere. Do you sing songs against ginger haired people? Northerners? Is it all really vile hatred, or is it just humour?
I've lived as an ethnic minority for over a decade, suffered what our media would call racism and discrimination on a daily basis. It's never bothered me one single iota. I actually enjoy it. Nobody means any offence, it's just intrinsic human nature. I love the Thais and they love me, who cares if they call me farang? This stuff is only a big deal in the British media imo. |  | | |
| Racism is respect... on 07:12 - Sep 5 with 1946 views | smegma |
| Racism is respect... on 04:22 - Sep 5 by timcocking |
If it wasn't meant to be insulting, i couldn't care less. I'd take them at their word.
Every Italian i've ever met has been absolutely thoroughly charming (apart from that group we had a fight with) and they are a superb nationality imo. If they mean it as a compliment, what's the big deal? This absurd western media obsession with imaginary racism is purely to sow discord and sell more papers. I've never met a racist Italian. I've never met what i'd call a racist anywhere. Do you sing songs against ginger haired people? Northerners? Is it all really vile hatred, or is it just humour?
I've lived as an ethnic minority for over a decade, suffered what our media would call racism and discrimination on a daily basis. It's never bothered me one single iota. I actually enjoy it. Nobody means any offence, it's just intrinsic human nature. I love the Thais and they love me, who cares if they call me farang? This stuff is only a big deal in the British media imo. |
You are talking out of your R's. See it for what is, monkey chants against Romelu Lukaku is not respect it's good old fashioned racism. Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot. | | | |
| Racism is respect... on 07:14 - Sep 5 with 1942 views | nix |
| Racism is respect... on 04:22 - Sep 5 by timcocking |
If it wasn't meant to be insulting, i couldn't care less. I'd take them at their word.
Every Italian i've ever met has been absolutely thoroughly charming (apart from that group we had a fight with) and they are a superb nationality imo. If they mean it as a compliment, what's the big deal? This absurd western media obsession with imaginary racism is purely to sow discord and sell more papers. I've never met a racist Italian. I've never met what i'd call a racist anywhere. Do you sing songs against ginger haired people? Northerners? Is it all really vile hatred, or is it just humour?
I've lived as an ethnic minority for over a decade, suffered what our media would call racism and discrimination on a daily basis. It's never bothered me one single iota. I actually enjoy it. Nobody means any offence, it's just intrinsic human nature. I love the Thais and they love me, who cares if they call me farang? This stuff is only a big deal in the British media imo. |
Sorry Tim, don't mean to have a go at you in particular but this is complete eyewash. You cannot compare the position of a white British person in Thailand and a black person in Italy. There's all kinds of historical power differentials that make it a complete different situation for a start.
Also, I think I can determine from your postings here that you're not the most sensitive flower. Which isn't an insult, at all by the way, just an observation. But we have to protect people who are more vulnerable. Danny Rose for instance, seems extremely affected by racist chants, to the extent that he wants to give up football. Now personally, I'd much rather continue to see players of that level enjoying their football than a load of ultras getting their jollies out of insulting a player or as they put it rather disingenuously, trying to gain a competitive advantage.
Further, I enjoy the witty banter, as much as the next woman, but monkey chants and throwing bananas ain't in the least bit witty or charming. I don't want to hear racist or homophobic cheers at LR any more than at Juventus.
We almost completely kicked it out of football in the UK by being tough on the perpetrators and shaming them. The mealy mouthed utterings and derisory fines by some of the other ruling bodies are pathetic and encourage the racist element rather than extinguish them. |  | | |
| Racism is respect... on 09:17 - Sep 5 with 1855 views | hopphoops |
| Racism is respect... on 04:22 - Sep 5 by timcocking |
If it wasn't meant to be insulting, i couldn't care less. I'd take them at their word.
Every Italian i've ever met has been absolutely thoroughly charming (apart from that group we had a fight with) and they are a superb nationality imo. If they mean it as a compliment, what's the big deal? This absurd western media obsession with imaginary racism is purely to sow discord and sell more papers. I've never met a racist Italian. I've never met what i'd call a racist anywhere. Do you sing songs against ginger haired people? Northerners? Is it all really vile hatred, or is it just humour?
I've lived as an ethnic minority for over a decade, suffered what our media would call racism and discrimination on a daily basis. It's never bothered me one single iota. I actually enjoy it. Nobody means any offence, it's just intrinsic human nature. I love the Thais and they love me, who cares if they call me farang? This stuff is only a big deal in the British media imo. |
You've obviously never spent time in Italy. Having lived there for several years and speaking fluent Italian, I'd say about a quarter are proper neo-nazi racist, half are at kipperbore level, and a quarter would not be considered racist in a British context.
Many times in public situations I heard statements like "Personally I'd round up all the Romanians in the country and burn them to death".
They're all charming of course, person-to-person. And genuinely surprised to learn about wops and part-eggplants. |  |
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| Racism is respect... on 10:49 - Sep 5 with 1818 views | Pommyhoop |
| Racism is respect... on 07:14 - Sep 5 by nix |
Sorry Tim, don't mean to have a go at you in particular but this is complete eyewash. You cannot compare the position of a white British person in Thailand and a black person in Italy. There's all kinds of historical power differentials that make it a complete different situation for a start.
Also, I think I can determine from your postings here that you're not the most sensitive flower. Which isn't an insult, at all by the way, just an observation. But we have to protect people who are more vulnerable. Danny Rose for instance, seems extremely affected by racist chants, to the extent that he wants to give up football. Now personally, I'd much rather continue to see players of that level enjoying their football than a load of ultras getting their jollies out of insulting a player or as they put it rather disingenuously, trying to gain a competitive advantage.
Further, I enjoy the witty banter, as much as the next woman, but monkey chants and throwing bananas ain't in the least bit witty or charming. I don't want to hear racist or homophobic cheers at LR any more than at Juventus.
We almost completely kicked it out of football in the UK by being tough on the perpetrators and shaming them. The mealy mouthed utterings and derisory fines by some of the other ruling bodies are pathetic and encourage the racist element rather than extinguish them. |
;There's all kinds of historical power differentials that make it a complete different situation for a start.'
Nah ....For once I'm with Tim on this. The above statement is too near the Loony lefts Idea that there is no such thing as racism to white people or we have to apologize to certain groups of people for the actions of our ancestors. Total Guardianista Bollox.....
I know what he means about enjoying the taunts. Take Hoop away from my moniker and add the word that questions my parentage and you'll know what I mean  |  |
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| Racism is respect... on 11:49 - Sep 5 with 1773 views | hopphoops |
| Racism is respect... on 10:49 - Sep 5 by Pommyhoop |
;There's all kinds of historical power differentials that make it a complete different situation for a start.'
Nah ....For once I'm with Tim on this. The above statement is too near the Loony lefts Idea that there is no such thing as racism to white people or we have to apologize to certain groups of people for the actions of our ancestors. Total Guardianista Bollox.....
I know what he means about enjoying the taunts. Take Hoop away from my moniker and add the word that questions my parentage and you'll know what I mean |
I didn't know the majority of British people in Thailand or Australia face routine exploitation, forced labour and violence. If you're black in Italy you'll be treated with respect if you're a priest, a footballer, or British or American. If you're not obviously one of these (i.e. you're not wearing a dog collar), many people, not everyone but many people, will be openly contemptuous.
(I should have known not to start posting again  and in an international break to boot!] | |
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| Racism is respect... on 12:08 - Sep 5 with 1750 views | Pommyhoop |
| Racism is respect... on 11:49 - Sep 5 by hopphoops |
I didn't know the majority of British people in Thailand or Australia face routine exploitation, forced labour and violence. If you're black in Italy you'll be treated with respect if you're a priest, a footballer, or British or American. If you're not obviously one of these (i.e. you're not wearing a dog collar), many people, not everyone but many people, will be openly contemptuous.
(I should have known not to start posting again and in an international break to boot!] |
No one over here faces routine exploitation forced labour and violence whether they are black-brown British ,Kiwi or orange.OOHHH you are talking about 1819 and not 2019.
That old chestnut..
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| Racism is respect... on 12:29 - Sep 5 with 1721 views | DavieQPR |
For my pennyworth it doesn't matter if you only use chants at the opposition it is still racists.
The footballers themselves should not take the Euro and go there though. |  | | |
| Racism is respect... on 12:32 - Sep 5 with 1712 views | kensalriser |
A neo-fascist party in Italy won the recent Euro elections and is currently polling 30%. It's not even the most right-wing party represented in Parliament. I think you can safely assume there might be one or two racists here and there. |  |
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| Racism is respect... on 13:04 - Sep 5 with 1677 views | hopphoops |
| Racism is respect... on 12:08 - Sep 5 by Pommyhoop |
No one over here faces routine exploitation forced labour and violence whether they are black-brown British ,Kiwi or orange.OOHHH you are talking about 1819 and not 2019.
That old chestnut..
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No, I'm refuting the proposed equivalence of the experiences of a black person in Italy in 2019 and an Englishman in Thailand or Australia in 2019.
Anyway, you Rs etc  | |
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| Racism is respect... on 13:07 - Sep 5 with 1672 views | nix |
| Racism is respect... on 10:49 - Sep 5 by Pommyhoop |
;There's all kinds of historical power differentials that make it a complete different situation for a start.'
Nah ....For once I'm with Tim on this. The above statement is too near the Loony lefts Idea that there is no such thing as racism to white people or we have to apologize to certain groups of people for the actions of our ancestors. Total Guardianista Bollox.....
I know what he means about enjoying the taunts. Take Hoop away from my moniker and add the word that questions my parentage and you'll know what I mean |
Look I'm not black. But I've read and listened enough about their experiences to know there's a difference. Who said anything about apologising for our ancestors? Or that white people can never experience racism? But Tim breezily comparing his experience as a white man in Asia as being exactly the same as a black person in Europe doesn't seem fair to me. It's just The Sun bollox. He's all but telling them to man up.
Just cos you relish it doesn't mean everyone does. So why should others have to put up with it because it's okay by you? | | | |
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