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Newsnight 23:18 - Sep 18 with 2705 viewsCliveWilsonSaid


I found it almost unwatchable not so long ago but it's improved so much. I like most of the presenters now. Emily Maitlis, Kirsty Wark, Emma Barnett. Mark Urban was really great tonight I thought.
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Newsnight on 00:49 - Sep 19 with 1806 viewsJigsore

really? like most of the BBC's political output these days I reckon it's absolute sh*te.

“The thing about football - the important thing about football - is that it is not just about football.”

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Newsnight on 02:22 - Sep 19 with 1758 viewsSharpy36

Newsnight on 00:49 - Sep 19 by Jigsore

really? like most of the BBC's political output these days I reckon it's absolute sh*te.


Brillo must be spending many a sleepless night wondering how he ever was over looked by a podcast, and that inept shower of luke warm blue nun.

'You didn't know that was wrong, but now you do. If you do it again, I'll know you are doing it on purpose.'

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Newsnight on 03:37 - Sep 19 with 1731 views18StoneOfHoop

Newsnight on 02:22 - Sep 19 by Sharpy36

Brillo must be spending many a sleepless night wondering how he ever was over looked by a podcast, and that inept shower of luke warm blue nun.


A sleepless night starting at Tramp
with an ambitious dusky beauty #HimToo
rather than luke warm blue nun,shirley Sharpy?


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'I'm 18 with a bullet.Got my finger on the trigger,I'm gonna pull it.." Love,Peace and Fook Chelski! More like 20StoneOfHoop now. Let's face it I'm not getting any thinner. Pass the cake and pies please.

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Newsnight on 08:28 - Sep 19 with 1491 viewsNorthernr

Well it's improved but that is from a low base.

It's especially guilty of the BBC trope of having somebody on talking demonstrable rubbish and lies in the supposed interest of balance. If one person says oxygen is quite necessary and another says it's not and we should get rid of it, you don't bring them both on and give them equal weight, one of them is a liar and should be treated as such.

It's also very bad for presenting highly biased individuals as credible sources, analysts or journalists. If you really must have Owen Jones on (and, frankly, you really mustn't) it should be made very clear who he is and what he's peddling, not just "here's a journalist from a national newspaper" because that's not what he is. I turned it on the other night and that fcking pointy nosed A-level student Tom Harwood was being allowed to just stand in the middle of the studio in front of a white board detailing just what a tactical genius Dominic Cummings was and how "remoaners" had been left with nowhere to go and had definitely lost, all under the guise of him being a "journalist" for Guido Fawks. That's not right, he's not a journalist and Guido Fawks is not a news website, these are campaigners and activists not experts.

A big part of the problem in this country and the US is people who are qualified, who do know what they're talking about, are having their views on things they specialise in given equal weight to some 20-year-old wnker who set a blog up. How or why does anybody give a single sht what Darren Grimes thinks about anything, for example? Why is he on the news exactly?

It'd be like putting me on stage with Alex Ferguson to talk about how you manage a football team.

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Newsnight on 09:32 - Sep 19 with 1387 viewsCamberleyR

Bring back John Tusa and Peter Snow.
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Newsnight on 09:36 - Sep 19 with 1378 viewsWestbourneR

Newsnight on 08:28 - Sep 19 by Northernr

Well it's improved but that is from a low base.

It's especially guilty of the BBC trope of having somebody on talking demonstrable rubbish and lies in the supposed interest of balance. If one person says oxygen is quite necessary and another says it's not and we should get rid of it, you don't bring them both on and give them equal weight, one of them is a liar and should be treated as such.

It's also very bad for presenting highly biased individuals as credible sources, analysts or journalists. If you really must have Owen Jones on (and, frankly, you really mustn't) it should be made very clear who he is and what he's peddling, not just "here's a journalist from a national newspaper" because that's not what he is. I turned it on the other night and that fcking pointy nosed A-level student Tom Harwood was being allowed to just stand in the middle of the studio in front of a white board detailing just what a tactical genius Dominic Cummings was and how "remoaners" had been left with nowhere to go and had definitely lost, all under the guise of him being a "journalist" for Guido Fawks. That's not right, he's not a journalist and Guido Fawks is not a news website, these are campaigners and activists not experts.

A big part of the problem in this country and the US is people who are qualified, who do know what they're talking about, are having their views on things they specialise in given equal weight to some 20-year-old wnker who set a blog up. How or why does anybody give a single sht what Darren Grimes thinks about anything, for example? Why is he on the news exactly?

It'd be like putting me on stage with Alex Ferguson to talk about how you manage a football team.

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I totally agree with this.

But if you balanced the debate about Brexit based on facts then you’d literally never hear from Brexiteers. Sounds quite good actually.

Also I thought Mark Urban was out of his depth and a shambles.

Poll: Should JFH get the sack?

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Newsnight on 09:44 - Sep 19 with 1361 viewsstevec





This is the match up I’d like to see
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Newsnight on 09:53 - Sep 19 with 1343 viewsrobith

Since someone mentioned Guido Fawkes I think we need to have a conversation about its corrsoive influence on the regular media.

Several ex Gudio staffers - Wickham at Buzzfeed, Waterson at the Guardian, Cole at the MoS - now work for more "regular" news services as well as Rob Burley from BBC News's desire to put Tom Harwood who still works there on the telly non stop.

So now what happens is Guido can conduct their barely legal bin scraping or launder gossip for people, and then the mainstream press amplifies it. Further Laura K's doxxing of the guy in the hospital yesterday was straight from the Guido playbook.

This is a website that is so toxic they've had to ban the use of the word "jew" in the comments section so rampant was anti-Semitic posting, now at the heart of modern news cycle. It absolutely stinks.

The only upside to it is thinking about Harry Cole having to write gushing articles about Boris, through the tears as he thinks about Boris rattling his fiancee
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Newsnight on 10:17 - Sep 19 with 1298 viewsNW5Hoop

Newsnight on 09:53 - Sep 19 by robith

Since someone mentioned Guido Fawkes I think we need to have a conversation about its corrsoive influence on the regular media.

Several ex Gudio staffers - Wickham at Buzzfeed, Waterson at the Guardian, Cole at the MoS - now work for more "regular" news services as well as Rob Burley from BBC News's desire to put Tom Harwood who still works there on the telly non stop.

So now what happens is Guido can conduct their barely legal bin scraping or launder gossip for people, and then the mainstream press amplifies it. Further Laura K's doxxing of the guy in the hospital yesterday was straight from the Guido playbook.

This is a website that is so toxic they've had to ban the use of the word "jew" in the comments section so rampant was anti-Semitic posting, now at the heart of modern news cycle. It absolutely stinks.

The only upside to it is thinking about Harry Cole having to write gushing articles about Boris, through the tears as he thinks about Boris rattling his fiancee


Eh? Jim Waterson worked for Buzzfeed before the Guardian, and for City AM before that. He's never worked for Guido. MoS is politically identical to Guido, so there's no transfer of corrosive influence there. Wickham's beat at Buzzfeed is clearly the Tories, and you couldn't look at his coverage and say it's all Ra Ra The Government! So that criticism boils down to: Tom Harwood is on Politics Live too much.

Guido's horrible, but don't overstate its influence.
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Newsnight on 11:15 - Sep 19 with 1206 viewsrobith

Newsnight on 10:17 - Sep 19 by NW5Hoop

Eh? Jim Waterson worked for Buzzfeed before the Guardian, and for City AM before that. He's never worked for Guido. MoS is politically identical to Guido, so there's no transfer of corrosive influence there. Wickham's beat at Buzzfeed is clearly the Tories, and you couldn't look at his coverage and say it's all Ra Ra The Government! So that criticism boils down to: Tom Harwood is on Politics Live too much.

Guido's horrible, but don't overstate its influence.


Jim Waterson started out as an intern at Guido so that's not true

https://order-order.com/2013/10/04/buzzfeed-sign-jim-waterson-as-first-political

"Buzzfeed had tried to poach a current Guy Newsroom staffer, good to see another Guido alumnus get the job…"

And you've misinterpreted what I'm saying - it's not that Guido's themes are transferred, but quite literally their stories are amplified through the mainstream press
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Newsnight on 11:34 - Sep 19 with 1164 viewskensalriser

Newsnight on 09:44 - Sep 19 by stevec





This is the match up I’d like to see


In poor taste considering that Jones was recently beaten up by a group of homophobic thugs.

Poll: Come on then, let's have it.

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Newsnight on 12:56 - Sep 19 with 1087 viewspaulparker

Newsnight on 11:34 - Sep 19 by kensalriser

In poor taste considering that Jones was recently beaten up by a group of homophobic thugs.


Of course he was


“I wipe my ass with your feelings.” (Tony Soprano )

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Newsnight on 13:01 - Sep 19 with 1067 viewsKonk

Newsnight on 12:56 - Sep 19 by paulparker

Of course he was



Well, the Old Bill have arrested three blokes for the assault, so presumably there’s something in it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49515313
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Fulham FC: It's the taking part that counts

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Newsnight on 13:02 - Sep 19 with 1065 views18StoneOfHoop

Newsnight on 12:56 - Sep 19 by paulparker

Of course he was



There's gonna be a court case,paul
He can't afford to
exaggerate lie or tell a story
or his career will be over.
Maintaining good reputation
is everything to him.

'I'm 18 with a bullet.Got my finger on the trigger,I'm gonna pull it.." Love,Peace and Fook Chelski! More like 20StoneOfHoop now. Let's face it I'm not getting any thinner. Pass the cake and pies please.

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Newsnight on 13:07 - Sep 19 with 1045 viewsrobith

Newsnight on 12:56 - Sep 19 by paulparker

Of course he was



you should reconsider this post PP
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Newsnight on 14:31 - Sep 19 with 931 viewsSharpy36

Where has the "homophobic thugs" come from ?. I would suggest it has nothing to do with him being Gay, and more to do with him being a jumped up little pr1ck. Who condones acts of assualt on those he considers to be on the wrong side of the argument or whos opinion differs from his own.
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'You didn't know that was wrong, but now you do. If you do it again, I'll know you are doing it on purpose.'

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Newsnight on 14:56 - Sep 19 with 899 viewsNW5Hoop

Newsnight on 11:15 - Sep 19 by robith

Jim Waterson started out as an intern at Guido so that's not true

https://order-order.com/2013/10/04/buzzfeed-sign-jim-waterson-as-first-political

"Buzzfeed had tried to poach a current Guy Newsroom staffer, good to see another Guido alumnus get the job…"

And you've misinterpreted what I'm saying - it's not that Guido's themes are transferred, but quite literally their stories are amplified through the mainstream press


He was n intern? For how long? Two weeks? A month? Come on … I interned four months for a Democratic Congressman in Washington. I know others who did, too. But we're not proof of the Democrats' infiltration of UK media …
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Newsnight on 15:02 - Sep 19 with 883 viewsClive_Anderson

The problem is that everyone thinks that people who agree with them are experts and people who don't are thick idiots who shouldn't be on TV.
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Newsnight on 15:10 - Sep 19 with 862 viewsWestbourneR

Newsnight on 15:02 - Sep 19 by Clive_Anderson

The problem is that everyone thinks that people who agree with them are experts and people who don't are thick idiots who shouldn't be on TV.


No.

Exactly the problem is that people think they can decide who are and aren't experts.

The whole point of expertise is that it's earned through education, research and professional experience. Experts are scientists in their field.

And so in the case of the Brexit there are very very few experts who think it's a good idea.

Hence why Gove started dismissing them.

Poll: Should JFH get the sack?

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Newsnight on 15:17 - Sep 19 with 850 viewsrobith

Newsnight on 14:56 - Sep 19 by NW5Hoop

He was n intern? For how long? Two weeks? A month? Come on … I interned four months for a Democratic Congressman in Washington. I know others who did, too. But we're not proof of the Democrats' infiltration of UK media …


Long enough that Guido wrote a piece congratulating him? Long enough that even after he stopped working there a Labour MP's previous posts on a music board that Waterson used in the past was a big Guido news story?

Anyway this appears to be pointless as

a) you seem very keen to defend Waterson, and keep shifting the goalposts (your initial statement that he had nothing to do with them having been proven to be incorrect)
b) You keep saying I'm making a point that I am not. My point is that the prevalence of ex Guido personnel in the media is clearly being used to amplify their own stories and laundering their reputation to the point the point of BBC put one of their guys on telly non stop
c) i don't know why someone would spend so much effort defending Guido Fawkes, a racist cesspool
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Newsnight on 15:18 - Sep 19 with 841 viewsrobith

Newsnight on 14:31 - Sep 19 by Sharpy36

Where has the "homophobic thugs" come from ?. I would suggest it has nothing to do with him being Gay, and more to do with him being a jumped up little pr1ck. Who condones acts of assualt on those he considers to be on the wrong side of the argument or whos opinion differs from his own.
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so.....what your saying is....assualt is ok if you don't like the person?

Cos that's despicable.

So much for the rule of law
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Newsnight on 15:26 - Sep 19 with 822 viewsClive_Anderson

Newsnight on 15:18 - Sep 19 by robith

so.....what your saying is....assualt is ok if you don't like the person?

Cos that's despicable.

So much for the rule of law


Actually Owen Jones was encouraging people on twitter to punch people he disagreed with in the past, so perhaps he got what was coming to him.
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Newsnight on 15:29 - Sep 19 with 812 viewsToast_R

Very interesting...

Anyway, f*ck all that bollocks. The issue should be, are Saudi and USA going to go all Schwarzenegger on Iran?
This little skirmish in the Gulf should worry us as it will have far worse repercussions than a no deal Shitxit
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Newsnight on 15:30 - Sep 19 with 810 viewsClive_Anderson

Newsnight on 15:10 - Sep 19 by WestbourneR

No.

Exactly the problem is that people think they can decide who are and aren't experts.

The whole point of expertise is that it's earned through education, research and professional experience. Experts are scientists in their field.

And so in the case of the Brexit there are very very few experts who think it's a good idea.

Hence why Gove started dismissing them.


So people like Mervyn King the former Bank of England governor who thinks we should leave the EU without a deal:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/29/uk-should-leave-eu-with-no-deal

Or is he a thick idiot as well now?
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Newsnight on 15:34 - Sep 19 with 783 viewsTacticalR

Ignorance is strength.

Air hostess clique

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