| Naïve QPR caught in Cardiff trap — Report on 08:54 - Oct 4 with 1815 views | stowmarketrange |
Cardiff’s 2nd goal was a carbon copy of a corner that Wba took only a few days earlier,but we got away with it then.We didn’t on Wednesday.
I wasn’t too disappointed on leaving the ground on Wednesday though because I knew we’d played well and should’ve got at least 1 point,and possibly all 3. |  | |  |
| Naïve QPR caught in Cardiff trap — Report on 09:22 - Oct 4 with 1760 views | stevec |
Good report, summed it up perfectly.
TBH, on this occasion I wasn't too concerned with their fannying about at throw ins, they seemed a lot less danger to our goal with possession off the pitch.
Running at 1.7 goals conceded per league game now, that's asking far too much of our attacking players and a miracle we're still in the top half. |  | | |
| Naïve QPR caught in Cardiff trap — Report on 10:02 - Oct 4 with 1682 views | daveB |
I don't think we're quite at justice league levels yet, we dominated the ball the other night but didn't do enough in either box and thats something to learn from. Warburton has to be smart and he seems to have been quite critical after wins or draws and backing players when we lose to try and make sure they don't lose belief on what they are doing. |  | | |
| Naïve QPR caught in Cardiff trap — Report on 10:17 - Oct 4 with 1645 views | jonno |
The defending needs serious improvement undoubtedly. But if you have 72% possession in a game and yet fail to score that is also something that needs working on. |  | | |
| Naïve QPR caught in Cardiff trap — Report on 10:24 - Oct 4 with 1630 views | Northernr |
| Naïve QPR caught in Cardiff trap — Report on 10:17 - Oct 4 by jonno |
The defending needs serious improvement undoubtedly. But if you have 72% possession in a game and yet fail to score that is also something that needs working on. |
Like I say, possession that just flows round and round the centre circle and your own penalty area is pretty meaningless. |  | | |
| Naïve QPR caught in Cardiff trap — Report on 10:34 - Oct 4 with 1613 views | daveB |
| Naïve QPR caught in Cardiff trap — Report on 10:17 - Oct 4 by jonno |
The defending needs serious improvement undoubtedly. But if you have 72% possession in a game and yet fail to score that is also something that needs working on. |
Switching from a back 3 was the issue for me, meant we had no Wells so less options in the final third which resulted in us playing extra passes rather than look to get in behind them. Also at the back losing the 3rd centre back saw the full backs too deep when we had the ball and easier to defend against.
The main positive about the defending is they are all daft errors which can be cut out with work on the training ground | | | |
| Naïve QPR caught in Cardiff trap — Report on 10:35 - Oct 4 with 1612 views | HantsR |
| Naïve QPR caught in Cardiff trap — Report on 10:24 - Oct 4 by Northernr |
Like I say, possession that just flows round and round the centre circle and your own penalty area is pretty meaningless. |
I think it was an evening match in 2012, when we beat Swansea 3-0 and the Swans under Brendan Rogers had by far the majority of possession, but mostly in their own half and we taunted them about it, 'boring, boring Swansea'
(I remember it mostly because I had to get AA Relay to get me and Hantshoop home around 3 am, when my car broke down just as I was leaving the disabled parking bays near the ground) |  | | |
| Naïve QPR caught in Cardiff trap — Report on 10:37 - Oct 4 with 1606 views | Northernr |
| Naïve QPR caught in Cardiff trap — Report on 10:34 - Oct 4 by daveB |
Switching from a back 3 was the issue for me, meant we had no Wells so less options in the final third which resulted in us playing extra passes rather than look to get in behind them. Also at the back losing the 3rd centre back saw the full backs too deep when we had the ball and easier to defend against.
The main positive about the defending is they are all daft errors which can be cut out with work on the training ground |
Good points. | | | |
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| Naïve QPR caught in Cardiff trap — Report on 11:04 - Oct 4 with 1561 views | jonno |
| Naïve QPR caught in Cardiff trap — Report on 10:34 - Oct 4 by daveB |
Switching from a back 3 was the issue for me, meant we had no Wells so less options in the final third which resulted in us playing extra passes rather than look to get in behind them. Also at the back losing the 3rd centre back saw the full backs too deep when we had the ball and easier to defend against.
The main positive about the defending is they are all daft errors which can be cut out with work on the training ground |
That all makes sense Dave. When you have that amount of possession you must do something with it. I appreciate it is much easier to retain possession with a non threatening approach just pinging the ball around at the back and in midfield but we simply have to improve our chance conversion rate and also our final ball when we get ourselves in good positions. The great thing is that we are creating chances and we are getting into those good positions with some excellent football. We've shown that we are getting better at retaining the ball as well - the answer is to actually get that first goal and frustrate the opposition by then keeping the ball, suck them in and hit them again. | | | |
| Naïve QPR caught in Cardiff trap — Report on 11:10 - Oct 4 with 1549 views | FrankRightguard |
Going round and round with the ball is fine if you are trying to draw a team on and then go behind them. If the other team just stand there and let you go round and round with no intention of coming to get it then you need to think of another option. |  | | |
| Naïve QPR caught in Cardiff trap — Report on 11:22 - Oct 4 with 1531 views | qprxtc |
Lies, damn lies and statistics. A very clever bastrd once said.
And this has become the norm in football in the last few years. The stats. They are more important, it would seem that the only one that actually matters. The final result. The one you get (or don’t) points for.
I hate all these stats. To me football can’t be (or shouldn’t be) quantified like that. I could care less the % of possession or how many passes were made by whoever and how many yards they did or din’t run. I’ll never remember that. I will remember good and bad results and overall performances.
I was pissed off after Cardiff that we lost. But not pissed off at all with the performance. My opinion is we were the better team that night. And we beat ourselves through awful defending and lack of a cutting edge up front.
Supporting Rangers, for me, is about entertainment. Hope of us winning anything has evaporated long ago and promotion is desirable but going back to that league is not something I want.
This team is good to watch. Frustrating and annoying as well. But I’ll take that all day long over what I’ve watched for the last few years.
I think I spent about 90% of second halves in the Blue and White bar last season. Millwall away last year, I had five pints lined up at half time so I didn’t have to go back and watch that game. If the football is going to be that awful and I can’t stop myself from going, I needed to do something to justify it. Getting p1ssed was my only option. All because the football was mind numbingly crap.
This season is different. I want to watch this team. It’s enjoyable. I don’t want us to lose 3-0 when we’ve played well, but it’s happened many, many times before and will happen again. But this wasn’t a game I ever felt we were out of it until the third goal. Usually it’s after the first and Goodnight Irene.
Stats don’t count, it was annoying that we stuffed in the end. But if I’m not getting sh1t faced then it’s a good team to be watching. And I’ll drink to that. |  | | |
| Naïve QPR caught in Cardiff trap — Report on 11:45 - Oct 4 with 1494 views | stowmarketrange |
| Naïve QPR caught in Cardiff trap — Report on 10:34 - Oct 4 by daveB |
Switching from a back 3 was the issue for me, meant we had no Wells so less options in the final third which resulted in us playing extra passes rather than look to get in behind them. Also at the back losing the 3rd centre back saw the full backs too deep when we had the ball and easier to defend against.
The main positive about the defending is they are all daft errors which can be cut out with work on the training ground |
But they didn’t work on the short corner routine that Wba almost scored from in the 1st half last Saturday,but Cardiff got the crucial 2nd goal from just before ht. | | | |
| Naïve QPR caught in Cardiff trap — Report on 12:43 - Oct 4 with 1394 views | californiahoop |
| Naïve QPR caught in Cardiff trap — Report on 10:37 - Oct 4 by Northernr |
Good points. |
But we hit the woodwork twice and created other opportunities, had as many shots as they did, unlucky going forward and terrible at the back, that’s my take in it. |  | | |
| Naïve QPR caught in Cardiff trap — Report on 12:53 - Oct 4 with 1366 views | timcocking |
Hmmm. The thing is, i don't think you need to be blaming the attacking play for the dodgy defending. The problem isn't that we're playing well with the ball therefore defending badly. The two shouldn't need to be mutually exclusive to each other. The problem appears to be that we've got suspect defenders and not counting yesterday a goalkeeper who's let in a soft goal every other game unfortunately.
I'd say we keep going at present. Whatever you say, we were unlucky and bloody robbed yesterday to be honest. And, on balance, we've been a veritable sh!tload better than we expected to be all season. So i don't think we should be moaning too much just yet.
I agree, though, that's an extremely familiar refrain from QPR for a while now, playing well but giving it away through shoddy defending. At the moment, it's hard to conceive of us keeping a clean sheet. |  | | |
| Naïve QPR caught in Cardiff trap — Report on 13:08 - Oct 4 with 1330 views | francisbowles |
I didn't see this one but from what I have read and witnessed in other games maybe we need to get the strongest back 5 together and that may include Wallace at lb. Put Manning in midfield with Eze and Chair and the front two of Wells and Hugill.
Alternatively, could we play a 5221 which could morph into a 343 when we attack, Hugill up top with Eze and Chair supporting, Manning and Ball (or Cameron) in the middle and width coming from Kane and Wallace?
If Wallace tires we could move Manning back and use either Cameron/Ball or Bos as sub. [Post edited 4 Oct 2019 13:37]
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| Naïve QPR caught in Cardiff trap — Report on 13:26 - Oct 4 with 1296 views | Northernr |
| Naïve QPR caught in Cardiff trap — Report on 12:43 - Oct 4 by californiahoop |
But we hit the woodwork twice and created other opportunities, had as many shots as they did, unlucky going forward and terrible at the back, that’s my take in it. |
You don't unluckily lose 3-0, IMO. | | | |
| Naïve QPR caught in Cardiff trap — Report on 14:28 - Oct 4 with 1188 views | qprxtc |
| Naïve QPR caught in Cardiff trap — Report on 13:26 - Oct 4 by Northernr |
You don't unluckily lose 3-0, IMO. |
You weren’t at Orient in 1981, you weren’t there maaan.... | | | |
| Naïve QPR caught in Cardiff trap — Report on 14:44 - Oct 4 with 1161 views | CliveWilsonSaid |
| Naïve QPR caught in Cardiff trap — Report on 10:24 - Oct 4 by Northernr |
Like I say, possession that just flows round and round the centre circle and your own penalty area is pretty meaningless. |
Maybe but if they scored 3 goals with 27% of possession then how many would they have scored with 50% ?!
Naive (can’t be @ssed to find the double dot) is probably the word to use for this performance, although unlucky comes a close second. If we want to be the footballing side that can mix it up with the Cardiffs of this world then we need to learn the football first. There’ll be more games like this but hopefully even more of what came before too. [Post edited 4 Oct 2019 14:46]
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| Naïve QPR caught in Cardiff trap — Report on 15:38 - Oct 4 with 1105 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Naïve QPR caught in Cardiff trap — Report on 13:26 - Oct 4 by Northernr |
You don't unluckily lose 3-0, IMO. |
As I said on another post, this reminded me of our 3-0 defeat of bournemouth under Redknapp. they played better football, created good chances, but we were too big, too strong and had Austin. Of course, the clubs have been going in opposite directions since. |  |
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| Naïve QPR caught in Cardiff trap — Report on 17:07 - Oct 4 with 1012 views | PinnerPaul |
Small point in Rangel's favour, it was Scowen who was slow coming out for the 2nd goal and played the scorer onside. | | | |
| Naïve QPR caught in Cardiff trap — Report on 17:28 - Oct 4 with 990 views | daveB |
| Naïve QPR caught in Cardiff trap — Report on 13:26 - Oct 4 by Northernr |
You don't unluckily lose 3-0, IMO. |
ways to lose 3-0 though, you'd have to be mad to be happy losing 3-0 and I agree we were not unlucky, we were poor in both boxes and they never looked in any huge danger. But compared to most of the away defeats in recent years we did at least look like we had some sort of idea how to play football. Little steps and all that | | | |
| Naïve QPR caught in Cardiff trap — Report on 17:31 - Oct 4 with 975 views | Antti_Heinola |
Thing is as well - we can accept this result and last week's if we go on to win some of the next 5 or 6. If we go on another of our adorable tailspins, it looks less like a bit of a blip that could've been different, than just the tip of the iceberg of serious problems. | |
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| Naïve QPR caught in Cardiff trap — Report on 10:37 - Oct 5 with 609 views | gazza1 |
as Norf says possession doesn't mean much unless you are doing positive things. easy to keep passing back and sideways if you are loosing the match. | | | |
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