| The Labour Party & Football Governance 22:40 - Oct 6 with 10620 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Corbyn: Football clubs are ‘too important to be left in the hands of bad owners’
The Labour leader promises to empower fans over how their clubs are run
Jeremy Corbyn, Newcastle MP Chi Onwurah (centre right) and Labour Party chair Ian Lavery (centre left) meet NUFC Ashley Out supporters after his speech at the Newcastle City Hall
LABOUR leader Jeremy Corbyn is to call for football fans to be given a much greater say on how their clubs are run, promising that a Labour government would empower fans and communities and review football governance.
Football clubs are “too important to be left in the hands of bad owners,” Corbyn said at the weekend after meeting with Newcastle United Football Club fans campaigning against the club’s owner Mike Ashley.
“A football club is more than just a club, it is an institution at the heart of our communities. Clubs are part of the social fabric that binds us together.”
The Arsenal season ticket holder said “bad owners like Mike Ashley... put their business interests ahead of everything else, marginalise supporters and even put the financial security of clubs at risk.
“Sport must be run in the interests of those who participate in it, follow it and love it, not just for the privileged and wealthy few.
“We will ensure that supporters have a say over how their club is run and review how fans can have more of a say about how all of our sporting bodies are run.”
Under the party’s new plans football supporters’ trusts would be able to purchase shares when clubs change hands and have the power to appoint, and fire, at least two members of a club’s board of directors.
Labour says it has also pledged to review fan participation in sports governance at all levels, and ensure that the Premier League invests 5 per cent of the income it receives for television rights into grassroots football to improve facilities and pitches and support the next generation of players and coaches.
Corbyn also called on football clubs to guarantee to pay their staff the living wage, ban zero-hours contracts and improve access provision for disabled sports fans.
The party’s plans also include cracking down on ticket-tout websites which vastly inflated match day prices, and implement the consumer protection measures outlined in the 2016 Waterson Review.
Women’s sporting events, including the Women’s Football World, will be added to the list of key sporting events to be broadcast free-to-air, the party said.
Labour’s Community Organising Unit is currently working with Newcastle United Football Club fans to organise against billionaire owner Mike Ashley, with thousands of fans boycotting the club’s games in protest against the greedy billionaire. |  | | |  |
| The Labour Party & Football Governance on 19:24 - Oct 9 with 1692 views | stevec |
| The Labour Party & Football Governance on 18:57 - Oct 9 by BazzaInTheLoft |
What is the difference between a non fiscal contributing Jamie Reuben being on our board and a non fiscal contributing supporter? The supporter would actually commit more cash to QPR every Saturday than billionaire property tycoon Jamie Reuben ever will.
*Edited: apologies Steve. [Post edited 9 Oct 2019 19:35]
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Well first off, I’d never even heard of James Reuben till you mentioned him.
But in line with my earlier comments, if he’s not prepared to contribute financially then I don’t want him on the Board either. |  | | |
| The Labour Party & Football Governance on 19:34 - Oct 9 with 1681 views | Rangersw12 |
Why are you against fan representation on the board?
You seem to be picking holes in it because it's a Labour idea |  | | |
| The Labour Party & Football Governance on 19:36 - Oct 9 with 1668 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| The Labour Party & Football Governance on 19:24 - Oct 9 by stevec |
Well first off, I’d never even heard of James Reuben till you mentioned him.
But in line with my earlier comments, if he’s not prepared to contribute financially then I don’t want him on the Board either. |
Your are loyal to your point and hatred of Labour I’ll give you that. | | | |
| The Labour Party & Football Governance on 20:27 - Oct 9 with 1642 views | stevec |
| The Labour Party & Football Governance on 19:34 - Oct 9 by Rangersw12 |
Why are you against fan representation on the board?
You seem to be picking holes in it because it's a Labour idea |
Largely because I prefer a Board that has financial responsibility for the decisions it makes, losing money tends to concentrate the mind.
When you don’t have a financial interest it’s easy to go on the likes of twitter lambasting the club for not spending a fortune on the new Charlie Austin, or the old one for that matter. What says the same people would think any different if they suddenly found themselves on the Board?
Then there’s the opposite issue. The fan who is sensible, suddenly finds himself in a position of influence, then after being introduced to Les, to Hoos and various other club luminaries, finds himself hanging on their every word and effectively becomes a useful stooge justifying even the most ridiculous club decisions.
Unfortunately that is the reality, which one of those people would any of us be, could we be certain we’d be any different?
Whatever any of us think of TF, where his decisions had an adverse effect on the club we support there is at least the knowledge that what it cost us in various emotions it cost him a lot more financially, and big time. | | | |
| The Labour Party & Football Governance on 20:47 - Oct 9 with 1630 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| The Labour Party & Football Governance on 20:27 - Oct 9 by stevec |
Largely because I prefer a Board that has financial responsibility for the decisions it makes, losing money tends to concentrate the mind.
When you don’t have a financial interest it’s easy to go on the likes of twitter lambasting the club for not spending a fortune on the new Charlie Austin, or the old one for that matter. What says the same people would think any different if they suddenly found themselves on the Board?
Then there’s the opposite issue. The fan who is sensible, suddenly finds himself in a position of influence, then after being introduced to Les, to Hoos and various other club luminaries, finds himself hanging on their every word and effectively becomes a useful stooge justifying even the most ridiculous club decisions.
Unfortunately that is the reality, which one of those people would any of us be, could we be certain we’d be any different?
Whatever any of us think of TF, where his decisions had an adverse effect on the club we support there is at least the knowledge that what it cost us in various emotions it cost him a lot more financially, and big time. |
If you added up every single penny invested by every single owner in QPR’s history, the total amount would be dwarfed by the financial contribution of QPR fans. [Post edited 9 Oct 2019 20:49]
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| The Labour Party & Football Governance on 20:48 - Oct 9 with 1626 views | Miss_Terraces |
| The Labour Party & Football Governance on 19:36 - Oct 9 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Your are loyal to your point and hatred of Labour I’ll give you that. |
Come on Bazza,
This is a beautiful idea on paper but it's not going to work in the real world. I really wish it would but football has left it's working class values to suck on the teat of capitalism. | |
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| The Labour Party & Football Governance on 20:54 - Oct 9 with 1613 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| The Labour Party & Football Governance on 20:48 - Oct 9 by Miss_Terraces |
Come on Bazza,
This is a beautiful idea on paper but it's not going to work in the real world. I really wish it would but football has left it's working class values to suck on the teat of capitalism. |
It already does work in the real world and it’s not anti capitalist to involve supporters.
Barcelona and Bayern both have supporters running the club. Liverpool, the current league leaders and holders of the Champions League, currently have supporters on the board.
AFC Wimbledon, who are probably more our level, gained 7(?) successive promotions and broke the English record of consecutive wins while being entirely created and governed by supporters. [Post edited 9 Oct 2019 20:55]
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| The Labour Party & Football Governance on 21:14 - Oct 9 with 1597 views | Miss_Terraces |
| The Labour Party & Football Governance on 20:54 - Oct 9 by BazzaInTheLoft |
It already does work in the real world and it’s not anti capitalist to involve supporters.
Barcelona and Bayern both have supporters running the club. Liverpool, the current league leaders and holders of the Champions League, currently have supporters on the board.
AFC Wimbledon, who are probably more our level, gained 7(?) successive promotions and broke the English record of consecutive wins while being entirely created and governed by supporters. [Post edited 9 Oct 2019 20:55]
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Wimbledon were non league. Bayern and Barcelona haven't sold out and are in different countries. Corbyn against Qatar, Russian billionaire and American billionaires? I accept I'm a cynic, please tell me how Corbyn wins [Post edited 10 Oct 2019 5:38]
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| The Labour Party & Football Governance on 21:23 - Oct 9 with 1587 views | The_Beast1976 |
| The Labour Party & Football Governance on 16:19 - Oct 7 by Antti_Heinola |
not sure anyone is tnat bothered about our top league being big/internationally renowned/lucrative.
Think we'd all settle for cheaper prices, less ridiculous wages, safe standing, good beer, integrated transport-and-ticket deals and all the other things German clubs in general do a million times better than we do. |
Spot on. The Premiershite is just that - shite. A soap opera/general w@nkfest, not a sport, with no connection to the genuine fans and made pretty much solely for celebrity obsessed teenagers, d!ckheads and an international tv audience | | | |
| The Labour Party & Football Governance on 21:32 - Oct 9 with 1583 views | Miss_Terraces |
| The Labour Party & Football Governance on 16:19 - Oct 7 by Antti_Heinola |
not sure anyone is tnat bothered about our top league being big/internationally renowned/lucrative.
Think we'd all settle for cheaper prices, less ridiculous wages, safe standing, good beer, integrated transport-and-ticket deals and all the other things German clubs in general do a million times better than we do. |
I agree with everything you said but we are a victim of our own success. Our league was the one that the rest of the world decided to follow. The bundesliga is German, the premiership is international. I wish the rest of the world decided to follow another league. | |
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| The Labour Party & Football Governance on 23:39 - Oct 9 with 1538 views | kensalriser |
| The Labour Party & Football Governance on 20:27 - Oct 9 by stevec |
Largely because I prefer a Board that has financial responsibility for the decisions it makes, losing money tends to concentrate the mind.
When you don’t have a financial interest it’s easy to go on the likes of twitter lambasting the club for not spending a fortune on the new Charlie Austin, or the old one for that matter. What says the same people would think any different if they suddenly found themselves on the Board?
Then there’s the opposite issue. The fan who is sensible, suddenly finds himself in a position of influence, then after being introduced to Les, to Hoos and various other club luminaries, finds himself hanging on their every word and effectively becomes a useful stooge justifying even the most ridiculous club decisions.
Unfortunately that is the reality, which one of those people would any of us be, could we be certain we’d be any different?
Whatever any of us think of TF, where his decisions had an adverse effect on the club we support there is at least the knowledge that what it cost us in various emotions it cost him a lot more financially, and big time. |
You're confusing board directors with owners. |  |
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| The Labour Party & Football Governance on 09:03 - Oct 10 with 1448 views | QPR_Jim |
| The Labour Party & Football Governance on 20:27 - Oct 9 by stevec |
Largely because I prefer a Board that has financial responsibility for the decisions it makes, losing money tends to concentrate the mind.
When you don’t have a financial interest it’s easy to go on the likes of twitter lambasting the club for not spending a fortune on the new Charlie Austin, or the old one for that matter. What says the same people would think any different if they suddenly found themselves on the Board?
Then there’s the opposite issue. The fan who is sensible, suddenly finds himself in a position of influence, then after being introduced to Les, to Hoos and various other club luminaries, finds himself hanging on their every word and effectively becomes a useful stooge justifying even the most ridiculous club decisions.
Unfortunately that is the reality, which one of those people would any of us be, could we be certain we’d be any different?
Whatever any of us think of TF, where his decisions had an adverse effect on the club we support there is at least the knowledge that what it cost us in various emotions it cost him a lot more financially, and big time. |
"Largely because I prefer a Board that has financial responsibility for the decisions it makes, losing money tends to concentrate the mind."
So if you were put onto the board of the club, as a fan, you'd not care about it unless you had a financial interest?
I know I, and I assume most fans, would still want what's best for the club even without standing to gain financially. |  | | |
| The Labour Party & Football Governance on 10:25 - Oct 10 with 1416 views | stevec |
| The Labour Party & Football Governance on 09:03 - Oct 10 by QPR_Jim |
"Largely because I prefer a Board that has financial responsibility for the decisions it makes, losing money tends to concentrate the mind."
So if you were put onto the board of the club, as a fan, you'd not care about it unless you had a financial interest?
I know I, and I assume most fans, would still want what's best for the club even without standing to gain financially. |
Well in answer to that, and Kensal, firstly we do have paid employees/directors on the board and that’s perfectly normal, not least they do have a financial interest in getting it right, get it wrong and they risk losing their employment.
Sure us supporters on the Board would mean well but would it be right if decisions we made led to losses for the owners, lost employment for paid employees of the club whilst we’d stand to lose nothing of an equally radical effect as those others?
Truth is most fans just want to support their club by paying at the door, through subscription, have a day out and natter on the likes of here about the ups and downs of the club they love.
Sadly there are parties out there who want to politicise everything. | | | |
| The Labour Party & Football Governance on 13:09 - Oct 10 with 1346 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| The Labour Party & Football Governance on 10:25 - Oct 10 by stevec |
Well in answer to that, and Kensal, firstly we do have paid employees/directors on the board and that’s perfectly normal, not least they do have a financial interest in getting it right, get it wrong and they risk losing their employment.
Sure us supporters on the Board would mean well but would it be right if decisions we made led to losses for the owners, lost employment for paid employees of the club whilst we’d stand to lose nothing of an equally radical effect as those others?
Truth is most fans just want to support their club by paying at the door, through subscription, have a day out and natter on the likes of here about the ups and downs of the club they love.
Sadly there are parties out there who want to politicise everything. |
For someone who just wants to get on in life free of politics, you do a lot of engaging with political discussions. | | | |
| The Labour Party & Football Governance on 14:32 - Oct 10 with 1323 views | stevec |
| The Labour Party & Football Governance on 13:09 - Oct 10 by BazzaInTheLoft |
For someone who just wants to get on in life free of politics, you do a lot of engaging with political discussions. |
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. | | | |
| The Labour Party & Football Governance on 16:27 - Oct 10 with 1282 views | QPR_Jim |
| The Labour Party & Football Governance on 10:25 - Oct 10 by stevec |
Well in answer to that, and Kensal, firstly we do have paid employees/directors on the board and that’s perfectly normal, not least they do have a financial interest in getting it right, get it wrong and they risk losing their employment.
Sure us supporters on the Board would mean well but would it be right if decisions we made led to losses for the owners, lost employment for paid employees of the club whilst we’d stand to lose nothing of an equally radical effect as those others?
Truth is most fans just want to support their club by paying at the door, through subscription, have a day out and natter on the likes of here about the ups and downs of the club they love.
Sadly there are parties out there who want to politicise everything. |
It's sport, at board level you could make all correct decisions and still make a loss due to a relegation or conversely as Flavio found out you can make a hash of things for years, hand over the reins to Amit and end up recouping your losses.
Besides all that it would be one member on the board, the supporters wouldn't be able to force decisions through without the support of the majority. It would however provide greater transparency as there would always be someone on the board who could leak things, like say an owner trying to asset strip the club, before he had a chance to do too much damage.
Again, this wouldn't need to be politicised if the FA or EFL were actively encouraging owners to get fans on the board. They're not, they're focusing on boosting their own pay and creating a closed shop for big clubs through FFP. The Tories probably don't want to get involved in it as they don't even know the difference between West Ham and Aston Villa. | | | |
| The Labour Party & Football Governance on 17:05 - Oct 10 with 1260 views | stevec |
| The Labour Party & Football Governance on 16:27 - Oct 10 by QPR_Jim |
It's sport, at board level you could make all correct decisions and still make a loss due to a relegation or conversely as Flavio found out you can make a hash of things for years, hand over the reins to Amit and end up recouping your losses.
Besides all that it would be one member on the board, the supporters wouldn't be able to force decisions through without the support of the majority. It would however provide greater transparency as there would always be someone on the board who could leak things, like say an owner trying to asset strip the club, before he had a chance to do too much damage.
Again, this wouldn't need to be politicised if the FA or EFL were actively encouraging owners to get fans on the board. They're not, they're focusing on boosting their own pay and creating a closed shop for big clubs through FFP. The Tories probably don't want to get involved in it as they don't even know the difference between West Ham and Aston Villa. |
I take your point and one supporter on the Board would be fairly harmless and, as you say, could leak things like asset stripping.
Just not convinced it's that prevalent. Could be wrong.
Thinking of the latest in the news, Bury. Not sure what a supporter on the Board could have done about that. The club had a tiny support and overstretched itself in an effort to climb the League, what supporter would oppose that? Didn't like Derby selling the ground at an inflated price to the owner but at the Board meeting I dare say it'd have gone along the lines of 'we need to do this or we'll be hit with a big points deduction and no chance of the play offs', what supporter would veto that sitting a couple of points behind Boro and a handful of games to go?
None of these things were acceptable but as supporters we have the benefit of hindsight to criticise, sitting on the Board, without hindsight we'd likely make the same mistakes. | | | |
| The Labour Party & Football Governance on 17:07 - Oct 10 with 1259 views | QPR_John |
| The Labour Party & Football Governance on 16:27 - Oct 10 by QPR_Jim |
It's sport, at board level you could make all correct decisions and still make a loss due to a relegation or conversely as Flavio found out you can make a hash of things for years, hand over the reins to Amit and end up recouping your losses.
Besides all that it would be one member on the board, the supporters wouldn't be able to force decisions through without the support of the majority. It would however provide greater transparency as there would always be someone on the board who could leak things, like say an owner trying to asset strip the club, before he had a chance to do too much damage.
Again, this wouldn't need to be politicised if the FA or EFL were actively encouraging owners to get fans on the board. They're not, they're focusing on boosting their own pay and creating a closed shop for big clubs through FFP. The Tories probably don't want to get involved in it as they don't even know the difference between West Ham and Aston Villa. |
" The Tories.......as they don't even know the difference between West Ham and Aston Villa."
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| The Labour Party & Football Governance on 23:10 - Oct 10 with 1176 views | Miss_Terraces |
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| The Labour Party & Football Governance on 07:26 - Oct 11 with 1103 views | distortR |
| The Labour Party & Football Governance on 20:54 - Oct 9 by BazzaInTheLoft |
It already does work in the real world and it’s not anti capitalist to involve supporters.
Barcelona and Bayern both have supporters running the club. Liverpool, the current league leaders and holders of the Champions League, currently have supporters on the board.
AFC Wimbledon, who are probably more our level, gained 7(?) successive promotions and broke the English record of consecutive wins while being entirely created and governed by supporters. [Post edited 9 Oct 2019 20:55]
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yeah, but apart from barcelona and bayern and liverpool, what have supporters sitting on the board ever done for us? | | | |
| The Labour Party & Football Governance on 07:29 - Oct 11 with 1102 views | distortR |
| The Labour Party & Football Governance on 14:32 - Oct 10 by stevec |
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. |
fair enough, but why do you carry on, again?
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| The Labour Party & Football Governance on 12:17 - Oct 11 with 1041 views | QPR_Jim |
| The Labour Party & Football Governance on 17:05 - Oct 10 by stevec |
I take your point and one supporter on the Board would be fairly harmless and, as you say, could leak things like asset stripping.
Just not convinced it's that prevalent. Could be wrong.
Thinking of the latest in the news, Bury. Not sure what a supporter on the Board could have done about that. The club had a tiny support and overstretched itself in an effort to climb the League, what supporter would oppose that? Didn't like Derby selling the ground at an inflated price to the owner but at the Board meeting I dare say it'd have gone along the lines of 'we need to do this or we'll be hit with a big points deduction and no chance of the play offs', what supporter would veto that sitting a couple of points behind Boro and a handful of games to go?
None of these things were acceptable but as supporters we have the benefit of hindsight to criticise, sitting on the Board, without hindsight we'd likely make the same mistakes. |
It's a fair point Steve, you'd hope that the fans would be more risk averse when it comes to their club and stop it coming down to such difficult decisions as you mention in the first place. Some do get carried away when talk of promotion is mentioned, we all do from time to time You'd think that a senior member of the LSA wouldn't get turned so easily and could put certain items to the LSA so that they could voice the opinion of the majority.
I think it's worth considering and wish it was the policy of the FA rather than the labour party. | | | |
| The Labour Party & Football Governance on 13:40 - Oct 11 with 1011 views | FDC |
At the risk of being incredible simplistic: the point here is that football clubs are community assets, and as such the community in which they are rooted should have some say over what they do and how they operate. Everything else is just details. The big picture is about re-conceptualising the relationship between a club and its supporters. Taking back control if you will. |  | | |
| The Labour Party & Football Governance on 18:17 - Oct 11 with 971 views | QPR_John |
Well that is well known a politician trying to show he is "normal" is always embarrassing. But it is still not a source of the statement that ALL Tories do not know the difference. So I repeat what is the source. | | | |
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