| Good Luck UK 12:13 - Dec 12 with 56116 views | PlanetHonneywood |
For the Eze, not the Pugh!
#votewarburton
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| Good Luck UK on 03:42 - Dec 16 with 1996 views | johnhoop |
There is an actual account with this tag which a lot of the people on it are taking seriously but I must admit t is beginning to look like a parody so probably best to ignore. |  | | |
| Good Luck UK on 09:21 - Dec 16 with 1847 views | Pommyhoop |
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| Good Luck UK on 09:53 - Dec 16 with 1805 views | Orthodox_Hoop |
17 pages of this thread disseminating last week's result and no mention of collusion by the Russians yet. Progress! |  | | |
| Good Luck UK on 10:15 - Dec 16 with 1759 views | CliveWilsonSaid |
| Good Luck UK on 09:53 - Dec 16 by Orthodox_Hoop |
17 pages of this thread disseminating last week's result and no mention of collusion by the Russians yet. Progress! |
Hmmmm....
Orthodox you say....
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| Good Luck UK on 10:28 - Dec 16 with 1726 views | hopphoops |
The most pertinent comment on this thread is its title.
Without denying the democratic mandate for Brexit, the fact remains that it creates the greatest political challenge to the country since WW2 at least, facing the least-well-equpped government in living memory.
The meagre 4% certainty bounce in sterling reflects that. I'm no expert, but I'll be getting my money out (when I've done the important stuff like posting here ;) ). |  |
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| Good Luck UK on 10:32 - Dec 16 with 1712 views | MrSheen |
| Good Luck UK on 10:28 - Dec 16 by hopphoops |
The most pertinent comment on this thread is its title.
Without denying the democratic mandate for Brexit, the fact remains that it creates the greatest political challenge to the country since WW2 at least, facing the least-well-equpped government in living memory.
The meagre 4% certainty bounce in sterling reflects that. I'm no expert, but I'll be getting my money out (when I've done the important stuff like posting here ;) ). |
Sterling has already been the best performing major currency this year. And if you think this is a bigger crisis than 1972-1985...(mass murder in Ireland and at times on the mainland, three day week, industrial unrest, riots, fuel shortages, original EU entry). [Post edited 16 Dec 2019 10:36]
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| Good Luck UK on 10:50 - Dec 16 with 1660 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Good Luck UK on 10:32 - Dec 16 by MrSheen |
Sterling has already been the best performing major currency this year. And if you think this is a bigger crisis than 1972-1985...(mass murder in Ireland and at times on the mainland, three day week, industrial unrest, riots, fuel shortages, original EU entry). [Post edited 16 Dec 2019 10:36]
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Canterbury *cough* |  |
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| Good Luck UK on 10:53 - Dec 16 with 1647 views | hopphoops |
| Good Luck UK on 10:32 - Dec 16 by MrSheen |
Sterling has already been the best performing major currency this year. And if you think this is a bigger crisis than 1972-1985...(mass murder in Ireland and at times on the mainland, three day week, industrial unrest, riots, fuel shortages, original EU entry). [Post edited 16 Dec 2019 10:36]
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Performance since an arbitrary date has little meaning. I used a rough midpoint value of 1.14 eur to gbp since 2016.
I agree the 1970s oil shock was the last comparable crisis catalyst. But the current ingredients are more severe IMHO. | |
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| Good Luck UK on 10:57 - Dec 16 with 1619 views | CaptainPugwash |
Arrrrrrrrrrrrrr... 
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| Good Luck UK on 11:09 - Dec 16 with 1588 views | francisbowles |
On BBC Thornberry just said she is now instructing solicitors to take legal action against Flint. | | | |
| Good Luck UK on 11:22 - Dec 16 with 1556 views | johnhoop |
I love the way she’s planning to care about people some time in the future rather than doing it now. Presumably she’ll be swearing the hypocritic rather than the Hippocratic oath. | | | |
| Good Luck UK on 11:28 - Dec 16 with 1538 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Good Luck UK on 11:09 - Dec 16 by francisbowles |
On BBC Thornberry just said she is now instructing solicitors to take legal action against Flint. |
Can't find it at the mo but there is a vid of her saying we must leave the EU, we should not have a 2nd Ref, then I'm campaigning for remain.
Can't believe a word she says.
*most are*
A quote from her this morning
This simply isn’t fair or right and you can’t just make things up on national television
BUT YOU ALL DO
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| Good Luck UK on 12:32 - Dec 16 with 1468 views | connell10 |
| Good Luck UK on 22:02 - Dec 15 by Ned_Kennedys |
Put me on your little ignore list then! |
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| Good Luck UK on 12:38 - Dec 16 with 1453 views | derbyhoop |
| Good Luck UK on 21:06 - Dec 14 by BrianMcCarthy |
What are your views on how this affects Ireland, border(s) and violence?
Would really like to know what the feeling is now. |
Anybody who is interested in what may happen relating to the Irish protocol (and I accept that won't apply to many), should make a point of following Tony Connelly from RTE. He can provide the best explanation that I've read on the issues facing the border and defining the relationships between GB, Northern Ireland and the Republic.
This is the latest example
https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2019/1213/1099064-tory-landslide-irish-sea/
It shows that getting a workable solution by the end of 2020 is highly problematic. Unless Johnson agrees to everything. |  |
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Find me on twitter @derbyhoop |
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| Good Luck UK on 12:39 - Dec 16 with 1451 views | derbyhoop |
| Good Luck UK on 21:45 - Dec 14 by Sharpy36 |
I believe that the border issue is a complete red herring and therefore will not affect those counties that run along the border. In saying that there will have to be some form of customs check, which imo will involve a trusted trader and electronic tracking system. Systems are already in place. |
Can I suggest that you read Tony Connelly. And then tell me it is a red herring.
https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2019/1213/1099064-tory-landslide-irish-sea/
It's long but very detailed analysis of the issues facing all parties over the next year. | |
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Find me on twitter @derbyhoop |
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| Good Luck UK on 12:48 - Dec 16 with 1427 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Good Luck UK on 12:32 - Dec 16 by connell10 |
Done |
Well done. Says a lot about your politics that you don't want to read anyone's opinion that is different to your one. |  | | |
| Good Luck UK on 13:01 - Dec 16 with 1399 views | Lblock |
| Good Luck UK on 10:53 - Dec 16 by hopphoops |
Performance since an arbitrary date has little meaning. I used a rough midpoint value of 1.14 eur to gbp since 2016.
I agree the 1970s oil shock was the last comparable crisis catalyst. But the current ingredients are more severe IMHO. |
Because you want it to be? |  |
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| Good Luck UK on 13:07 - Dec 16 with 1388 views | Mick_S |
| Good Luck UK on 18:51 - Dec 15 by BrianMcCarthy |
Good question.
I think I've just relayed my fears on this in a post a couple of minutes ago.
Put it this way, the experts have warned that violence would be almost assured.
On the human side, friends of mine up there have been preparing to move if a hard border were re-introduced, for the safety of their kids. |
That is just awful Brian, truly depressing. My wife and I are over a few times a year visiting in-laws - the changes in the North since our first visit maybe thirty years ago are remarkable in what is a beautiful and friendly place. We've looked at perhaps moving over when we get a bit older.
What a mess. |  |
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| Good Luck UK on 13:11 - Dec 16 with 1359 views | hopphoops |
| Good Luck UK on 13:01 - Dec 16 by Lblock |
Because you want it to be? |
Not at all. My roots, family, friends, citizenship, language, culture etc etc are British. Why would I want the country to struggle? If this government comes up with an honest and coherent strategy and shows it can implement it I will be delighted. | |
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| Good Luck UK on 13:16 - Dec 16 with 1332 views | Lblock |
“Fcuk Cor-bin, he doesn’t represent me, I hate him and his policies. I wish him the absolute worst he’s a c-unit”
Flip the words and no doubt it gets view as a xenophobic, right wing bully boy, spitting poison and vitriol
However these socialist types with their intelligenzia, dinner party alarm and deep rooted sense of the whole world is wonderful are different somehow. Well guess what? To crack on you’ll need to lose your sense of entitlement, your overbearing feelings of being wronged and your paranoia that if the whole world is one big kibbutz where we all eat beetroot. Dust yourself down, make the best of it, do your level best and try to enjoy life whatever your circumstances.
We go again in five years time when hopefully I’ll still be around but semi retired and hunkered down in a bolt hole reflecting on my previous 55 years on this planet and glad I’m out of the rat race.
One Boris Johnson, there’s only one Boris Johnson etc, etc, etc | |
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| Good Luck UK on 13:21 - Dec 16 with 1320 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Good Luck UK on 12:38 - Dec 16 by derbyhoop |
Anybody who is interested in what may happen relating to the Irish protocol (and I accept that won't apply to many), should make a point of following Tony Connelly from RTE. He can provide the best explanation that I've read on the issues facing the border and defining the relationships between GB, Northern Ireland and the Republic.
This is the latest example
https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2019/1213/1099064-tory-landslide-irish-sea/
It shows that getting a workable solution by the end of 2020 is highly problematic. Unless Johnson agrees to everything. |
Excellent summation. Thanks for the link, Derby. |  |
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| Good Luck UK on 13:23 - Dec 16 with 1316 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Good Luck UK on 13:07 - Dec 16 by Mick_S |
That is just awful Brian, truly depressing. My wife and I are over a few times a year visiting in-laws - the changes in the North since our first visit maybe thirty years ago are remarkable in what is a beautiful and friendly place. We've looked at perhaps moving over when we get a bit older.
What a mess. |
Well, that particular worry would only be realised if a hard border is re-introduced, which is looking less likely since Johnson abandoned the Unionists with his U-Turn/Collapse. | |
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| Good Luck UK on 13:38 - Dec 16 with 1269 views | Phildo |
| Good Luck UK on 13:07 - Dec 16 by Mick_S |
That is just awful Brian, truly depressing. My wife and I are over a few times a year visiting in-laws - the changes in the North since our first visit maybe thirty years ago are remarkable in what is a beautiful and friendly place. We've looked at perhaps moving over when we get a bit older.
What a mess. |
The election In NI was very interesting. DUP lost 20%ish of their voters who probably wont be coming back and the demographics are against them in future. SF lost 25%. Both those two will be in a hurry to get Stormont functioning again to try and drown out their opponents but I doubt if that will work. Both have been poorly led and ignoring big changes in the six counties.
The Republics economy and standard of living has powered ahead of the North which is dependant on public sector jobs which may be in some peril now anyway. Arguably the NHS- much superior to health care in the south is holding the North in the union but how long will that be the case?
In addition traditional or cultural Unionists had a huge message from Boris that he does not care for them and that they need to sensibly think about what the future might bring. That voting block would hold the balance of power in every Irish election rather than the UK ones when there is a hung parliament. Last night the thing trending on Irish Twitter was #unityplan as people who are not traditional republicans try to start thinking of a new framework for a type of United Ireland that maybe enshrines some of the things that unionists hold most dear.
As for the rest of us I think we are going to see some big changes coming. If you read some of Dominic Cummings writings it is very clear he is a total radical- not a conservative at all. Boris looks to see him as his Keith Joseph was to Thatcher. He really plans to smash a lot up to try and remake a modern state- the BBC and the civil service in particular should rightly be very nervous- they will not survive the next 5 years in any recognisable form. It was obvious at the end of the last parliament he was no lover of representative parliamentary democracy, constitutional checks and balances or people who think ' this is the way we have always done it'. What he wants is something that is populist - closer to an Erdgan than a Heseltine. I suspect soon people like Jacob RM will find themselves eaten by the monster they helped create.
How the left responds to that? Hard to say? Much easier to hunker down in self indulgent hatred of Tories as baby eaters. Offering free wifi when there are food banks to deal with one little example. Not seeing anything in the post defeat discussions that even gives a clue they know what is coming next.
Lib dems and labour are potentially leaderless (although JC and co are busy trying to set a new election for leader as favourably as possible to their chosen candidate). Both parties would be sensible to look at forming a new party that is not fixated on the politics of the past but tries to offer solutions to what is coming next. Fat chance of that happening though.
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| Good Luck UK on 13:39 - Dec 16 with 1262 views | johncharles |
| Good Luck UK on 13:11 - Dec 16 by hopphoops |
Not at all. My roots, family, friends, citizenship, language, culture etc etc are British. Why would I want the country to struggle? If this government comes up with an honest and coherent strategy and shows it can implement it I will be delighted. |
Looking at his track record the chances of Boris Johnson implementing a coherent strategy are pretty slim.
I left out the “honest” bit for obvious reasons. |  |
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| Good Luck UK on 13:49 - Dec 16 with 1228 views | AnonymousR |
The politics are complex because the governance across the UK border will be made more complicated to a significant factor.
It only takes a brief review of the trade associations, business groups, and confederations to understand how paralysing an overly bureaucratic system will be. This will not, as suggested before, be fixed easily. This is a wicked problem that requires a level of thought and nuance which the timetable will prevent. As the model says, you can have any two from quick, cheap, or good but not all three.
There is no-one in government who is assuming this is going to be anything other than a really hard slog and to believe it as anything other than that is naive. |  | | |
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