| Good Luck UK 12:13 - Dec 12 with 56517 views | PlanetHonneywood |
For the Eze, not the Pugh!
#votewarburton
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| Good Luck UK on 12:24 - Dec 13 with 1966 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
Waiting to hear from Bazz on what went wrong  |  |
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| Good Luck UK on 12:27 - Dec 13 with 1958 views | paulparker |
| Good Luck UK on 12:16 - Dec 13 by willis1980 |
"Elitist" you clown |
Poor old Willis you sound very bitter does the 1980 in your username match how many brain cells you have ?? |  |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| Good Luck UK on 12:29 - Dec 13 with 1951 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Good Luck UK on 12:03 - Dec 13 by AnonymousR |
The Labour Party manifesto incorporated a second vote. By voting for Labour, individuals gave agency to Labour to hold a people's vote. |
The trouble was that Labour's 2nd referendum wouldn't have included Leave on the ballot paper. It was either Remain or sort of Remain. |  | | |
| Good Luck UK on 12:34 - Dec 13 with 1933 views | paulparker |
| Good Luck UK on 12:10 - Dec 13 by willis1980 |
while i understand some of what youre trying to say the context argument doesnt wash with me Im afraid. What context is there for using terms such as "ni**er in the woodpile" in this day and age? The rise in racism in this country in the last few years wasnt just conjured up out of thin air. You might also want to look into the links between some in the conservative with the BNP. I see nothing but misery ahead. |
Still it could have been worse Willis we could of had the anti Semite party take over | |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| Good Luck UK on 12:36 - Dec 13 with 1921 views | Miss_Terraces |
| Good Luck UK on 12:24 - Dec 13 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
Waiting to hear from Bazz on what went wrong |
I really feel for him. He really put the effort in, to try and make this country better. I would have Bazza over bojo any day of the week |  |
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| Good Luck UK on 12:36 - Dec 13 with 1916 views | SydneyRs |
| Good Luck UK on 08:57 - Dec 13 by PlanetHonneywood |
JC should have gone after 2017! He couldn’t beat the hapless Theresa May whose campaign was dire, and yet rode the wave of ‘ohh Jeremy Corbyn’ when the reality was, he lost and the signs of his being unelectable was the message coming out of their heartlands.
As the poster above me said, the Labour left don’t get it! Collectively they are incapable of comprehending the simple fact: while the UK just about remains conservative with a little ‘c’, as long as our backsides point south, it will never be socialist with a capital ‘S’!
You’d think after the likes of Foot, Kinnock and Miliband that message might have got home. But no!
I don’t doubt JC has decent principles, and God knows that’s something Johnson has never had, but the bottom line for Labour, you have to be electable first. And that’s why Blair got in and JC never would.
I also think the greatest irony of it all; JC was a Brexiteer! I don’t believe for one second he voted remain and so while one half of the Labour Party worried about the non-existent threat of Swinson’s lot, they alienated their core who voted leave. A JC lead Brexit might well have been a safer bet then letting that utter cockcheese loose with the future of the UK. |
Brexit was all that mattered this time, its that simple. Now it finally will happen and those that were so desperate for it will see the unicornless reality.
Johnson's campaign was every bit as bad as May's, people are just sick of the brexit thing after over 3 years of it so it didn't matter what he said or did beyond get brexit done. The test for him starts now and I'm confident its one he will fail miserably. A charlatan.
I've still got a bit of money in the UK I want to move here, so I could do with him making a go of it and giving the pound a boost as its been terrible ever since the brexit vote. I'm not holding my breath. | | | |
| Good Luck UK on 12:38 - Dec 13 with 1903 views | SydneyRs |
| Good Luck UK on 10:25 - Dec 13 by LimerickR |
Kensington has fallen. Seems something profoundly sad to me about the home of grenfell voting tory. But thats where we are i guess. |
Lets face it, most of Kensington does not live in places like Grenfell. | | | |
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| Good Luck UK on 12:38 - Dec 13 with 1902 views | MrSheen |
I see the winning strategy of insulting people into changing their minds is still in place.
If you're interested in understanding what happened rather than lamenting it or gloating over it, David Goodhart's highly prescient The Road to Somewhere is a good place to start. Far too many people preferred to shoot the messenger than listen to him. And put Lisa Nandy in charge of the Labour Party, great interview just now. |  | | |
| Good Luck UK on 12:43 - Dec 13 with 1880 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Good Luck UK on 10:17 - Dec 13 by BostonR |
I work in re-investment, I have not seen any evidence of wealth being moved. On the contrary, investors seen opportunities in what was being touted by the two major parties.
What is incredible, is that the working class heartlands of England choosing to vote for a Tory government that destroyed their communities in the 80’s and 90’s. The Tories will have to change their approach to these communities, who rely heavily on public services. That will cost a lot of money. The Tories cannot shy away from that responsibility.
Brexit will not get done for years, so there will be a heavy drain of Government finances as we adapt to regulatory and compliance changes - that makes the market nervous.
The Tories will have to borrow heavily and decide where to spend that cash. The heartlands of England will be way down on that list.
No hiding place for Boris now. |
Time will tell. Today he did acknowledge that the Conservative victory was propped up by Labour votes. He'll have to repay the working classes if he's to stand any chance of retaining their support. It's a real opportunity for the Conservative party to rebuild trust with communities they overlooked in the 80s, one that I fear will prove too challenging what with Brexit still on the agenda. [Post edited 13 Dec 2019 12:53]
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| Good Luck UK on 12:46 - Dec 13 with 1864 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Good Luck UK on 12:36 - Dec 13 by SydneyRs |
Brexit was all that mattered this time, its that simple. Now it finally will happen and those that were so desperate for it will see the unicornless reality.
Johnson's campaign was every bit as bad as May's, people are just sick of the brexit thing after over 3 years of it so it didn't matter what he said or did beyond get brexit done. The test for him starts now and I'm confident its one he will fail miserably. A charlatan.
I've still got a bit of money in the UK I want to move here, so I could do with him making a go of it and giving the pound a boost as its been terrible ever since the brexit vote. I'm not holding my breath. |
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| Good Luck UK on 12:50 - Dec 13 with 1846 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Good Luck UK on 12:38 - Dec 13 by MrSheen |
I see the winning strategy of insulting people into changing their minds is still in place.
If you're interested in understanding what happened rather than lamenting it or gloating over it, David Goodhart's highly prescient The Road to Somewhere is a good place to start. Far too many people preferred to shoot the messenger than listen to him. And put Lisa Nandy in charge of the Labour Party, great interview just now. |
Yes as people started to pluck up the courage to renounce political correctness, 'liberals' moved to the strategy of insulting those who did not share their views (uneducated, racist, selfish, etc.). Whatever your political persuasion it pays to have open and honest conversations with all views welcomed to the table. Denial and insult will just give rise to more characters like Farage and Trump. [Post edited 13 Dec 2019 12:55]
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| Good Luck UK on 12:56 - Dec 13 with 1821 views | BostonR |
| Good Luck UK on 12:43 - Dec 13 by Benny_the_Ball |
Time will tell. Today he did acknowledge that the Conservative victory was propped up by Labour votes. He'll have to repay the working classes if he's to stand any chance of retaining their support. It's a real opportunity for the Conservative party to rebuild trust with communities they overlooked in the 80s, one that I fear will prove too challenging what with Brexit still on the agenda. [Post edited 13 Dec 2019 12:53]
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It's Hobson's choice time.
The Tories cannot get Brexit done and deliver to those Labour heartlands at the same time. Borrowing will increase heavily, taxes will have to increase (always hits the poorest) and those 40 new hospitals, 21,000 Police, 50,000 nurses, new teachers etc will not happen in 5 yrs. |  | | |
| Good Luck UK on 12:58 - Dec 13 with 1814 views | traininvain |
| Good Luck UK on 11:26 - Dec 13 by JPC |
Yep, live there as well - Labour vote was 2.5 k, enough to have defeated Raab if switched to Lib Dems. You have to wonder at people's thought process. |
Exactly the same situation in Wimbledon. Lib Dem candidate missed out by c500 votes. Labour were knocking on doors last weekend telling people ‘it’s between us and the Tories’. They must’ve known that was utter nonsense. |  | | |
| Good Luck UK on 13:06 - Dec 13 with 1782 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Good Luck UK on 12:56 - Dec 13 by BostonR |
It's Hobson's choice time.
The Tories cannot get Brexit done and deliver to those Labour heartlands at the same time. Borrowing will increase heavily, taxes will have to increase (always hits the poorest) and those 40 new hospitals, 21,000 Police, 50,000 nurses, new teachers etc will not happen in 5 yrs. |
As I said I think it will be too challenging with Brexit still front and centre. However I'm interested by your assertion that tax increases always hit the poorest. Isn't that exactly what Labour were proposing? | | | |
| Good Luck UK on 13:22 - Dec 13 with 1729 views | willis1980 |
| Good Luck UK on 12:27 - Dec 13 by paulparker |
Poor old Willis you sound very bitter does the 1980 in your username match how many brain cells you have ?? |
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| Good Luck UK on 13:24 - Dec 13 with 1723 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Good Luck UK on 08:57 - Dec 13 by PlanetHonneywood |
JC should have gone after 2017! He couldn’t beat the hapless Theresa May whose campaign was dire, and yet rode the wave of ‘ohh Jeremy Corbyn’ when the reality was, he lost and the signs of his being unelectable was the message coming out of their heartlands.
As the poster above me said, the Labour left don’t get it! Collectively they are incapable of comprehending the simple fact: while the UK just about remains conservative with a little ‘c’, as long as our backsides point south, it will never be socialist with a capital ‘S’!
You’d think after the likes of Foot, Kinnock and Miliband that message might have got home. But no!
I don’t doubt JC has decent principles, and God knows that’s something Johnson has never had, but the bottom line for Labour, you have to be electable first. And that’s why Blair got in and JC never would.
I also think the greatest irony of it all; JC was a Brexiteer! I don’t believe for one second he voted remain and so while one half of the Labour Party worried about the non-existent threat of Swinson’s lot, they alienated their core who voted leave. A JC lead Brexit might well have been a safer bet then letting that utter cockcheese loose with the future of the UK. |
This. One thing I don't understand (perhaps others can enlighten me) is why Labour lost sight of how they returned to power in 1997. New Labour with sharp suits, white smiles, left of centre policies and more spin than a washing machine. Quite why they returned to the old formula with the deeply unpopular Corbyn in charge is beyond me. | | | |
| Good Luck UK on 13:36 - Dec 13 with 1671 views | CamberleyR |
| Good Luck UK on 12:38 - Dec 13 by MrSheen |
I see the winning strategy of insulting people into changing their minds is still in place.
If you're interested in understanding what happened rather than lamenting it or gloating over it, David Goodhart's highly prescient The Road to Somewhere is a good place to start. Far too many people preferred to shoot the messenger than listen to him. And put Lisa Nandy in charge of the Labour Party, great interview just now. |
"And put Lisa Nandy in charge of the Labour Party"
I've always been impressed by her whenever she's appeared on Question Time/This Week/Peston etc |  |
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| Good Luck UK on 13:37 - Dec 13 with 1665 views | Rangersw12 |
| Good Luck UK on 13:24 - Dec 13 by Benny_the_Ball |
This. One thing I don't understand (perhaps others can enlighten me) is why Labour lost sight of how they returned to power in 1997. New Labour with sharp suits, white smiles, left of centre policies and more spin than a washing machine. Quite why they returned to the old formula with the deeply unpopular Corbyn in charge is beyond me. |
Because Momentum hijacked the party and took it to the far left
I voted Labour and liked the majority of their policies but JC was never trusted by the country and was unelectable if they had a decent leader they would of walked it | | | |
| Good Luck UK on 13:40 - Dec 13 with 1645 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
JC being the only Leaver in his cabinet fecked him as well. | |
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| Good Luck UK on 13:45 - Dec 13 with 1614 views | TheChef |
BBC says turnout was down 1.5% compared to 2017.
Doesn't quite tie in with the media narrative yesterday, of it being 'the most important election for generations' and numerous photos of queues at polling stations. Must have been all those Tory supporters coming out the woodwork. |  |
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| Good Luck UK on 13:49 - Dec 13 with 1598 views | Mytch_QPR |
| Good Luck UK on 13:24 - Dec 13 by Benny_the_Ball |
This. One thing I don't understand (perhaps others can enlighten me) is why Labour lost sight of how they returned to power in 1997. New Labour with sharp suits, white smiles, left of centre policies and more spin than a washing machine. Quite why they returned to the old formula with the deeply unpopular Corbyn in charge is beyond me. |
I'm no expert but I think Blair had moved the party to the centre ground and they ran out of steam after the Iraq War and then the global recession (plus Gordon Brown's open mic disaster).
I guess they thought then that they should go back to their roots a bit and offer something different - ultimately shifting further left to the Corbyn experiment. As others have said, their manifesto should have appealed to a wide range of voters but I think JC just wasn't 'liked' (for want of a better word) and his efforts to try to appease London and Northern voters with his indecision on Brexit really finished him. If they had put a different leader in place and said they would respect the Leave vote they could have secured a lot more seats.
It's been a tiring old process, I think 'best of a bad bunch' is how a lot of people were voting, which is sad. |  |
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| Good Luck UK on 13:52 - Dec 13 with 1590 views | Mytch_QPR |
| Good Luck UK on 13:45 - Dec 13 by TheChef |
BBC says turnout was down 1.5% compared to 2017.
Doesn't quite tie in with the media narrative yesterday, of it being 'the most important election for generations' and numerous photos of queues at polling stations. Must have been all those Tory supporters coming out the woodwork. |
I wonder if that was partly due to Lab voters abstaining in the 'red wall' seats?
Most results I have looked at in the South East show a healthy turnout. | |
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