| Championship salary cap 07:25 - Sep 17 with 2721 views | cpgerber |
I see an 18m salary cap on the table for championship clubs. Good news for us, I think we are in that region as it stands, perhaps? Major problems for others. Probably a long way off before they can realistically implement it and settle on an amount that is agreed by all (or majority).
That's a squad of 30 players on average 12K per week. Sensible numbers in my opinion. You'll have a few 20-25K guys. And if your squad is smaller (say around 24-26), gives you a little bit more room.
Wonder how parachute payments figure in that equation. Would that make them redundant, seeing relegated clubs would have to shed their high earners?Â
Where does the youth player's salaries come into that? |  | | |  |
| Championship salary cap on 08:46 - Sep 17 with 2527 views | switchingcode |
With the Covid -19 virus not going away soon along with FFP being kicked into touch for now think this is way down the line.With the financial crisis pending you have to wonder how many championship sides could afford to cough up 18 mill on wages for the coming seasons let’s face it you can only sell your ground once for a massive profit. |  | | |
| Championship salary cap on 09:54 - Sep 17 with 2395 views | SydneyRs |
Makes sense in a lot of ways but doesn't seem very workable given the set up of UK football.
Works well here in Australia and stops teams dominating for years on end, especially Australian Rules football which also has a draft system. However, there's only one division in the major sports here and no relegation.
Would only widen the chasm between the prem and everyone else | | | |
| Championship salary cap on 14:06 - Sep 17 with 2232 views | qprd |
i think a salary cap is a bad idea, for a number of reasons.
You cant really compare it to the American leagues, bc unlike with american sports, the championship isnt the only game in town... introduce a salary cap and suddenly all the top players who play in teh division would end up going to bundesliga, serie a, etc... the standard of play will only get worse
as a practical matter, since wages are based on fixed contracts, teams that come down from the prem wont be able to get under the cap... if theyre given a phase in period to get their wages down (and other teams are subjec to a cap), theyre at a significant competitive advantage
a better approach would be a luxury tax model... if you exceed £18m [or whatever the cap is], then you pay an amount of tax in excess of £18m- that money is then redistributed throughout the rest of the efl to provide some money to support the rest of the smaller clubs... effectively, it allows super rich owners who want to plow money into their clubs to continue to do so (albeit more expensively), while also redistributing some money to help the rest of the pyramid | | | |
| Championship salary cap on 14:12 - Sep 17 with 2218 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Sounds fascinating.
Got any links for this? |  | | |
| Championship salary cap on 14:28 - Sep 17 with 2186 views | dannyblue |
| Championship salary cap on 14:06 - Sep 17 by qprd |
i think a salary cap is a bad idea, for a number of reasons.
You cant really compare it to the American leagues, bc unlike with american sports, the championship isnt the only game in town... introduce a salary cap and suddenly all the top players who play in teh division would end up going to bundesliga, serie a, etc... the standard of play will only get worse
as a practical matter, since wages are based on fixed contracts, teams that come down from the prem wont be able to get under the cap... if theyre given a phase in period to get their wages down (and other teams are subjec to a cap), theyre at a significant competitive advantage
a better approach would be a luxury tax model... if you exceed £18m [or whatever the cap is], then you pay an amount of tax in excess of £18m- that money is then redistributed throughout the rest of the efl to provide some money to support the rest of the smaller clubs... effectively, it allows super rich owners who want to plow money into their clubs to continue to do so (albeit more expensively), while also redistributing some money to help the rest of the pyramid |
Luxury tax model sounds interesting and perhaps even workable in a way that salary caps don't. |  | | |
| Championship salary cap on 14:45 - Sep 17 with 2130 views | PinnerPaul |
I could scrub along on £18M a year and would be quite prepared to pay, shall we say 70%, tax on it if you like!  | | | |
| Championship salary cap on 14:46 - Sep 17 with 2127 views | SimonJames |
| Championship salary cap on 14:28 - Sep 17 by dannyblue |
Luxury tax model sounds interesting and perhaps even workable in a way that salary caps don't. |
Better still, let's start with imposing the luxury tax on the Premiership - since it from there that most of the salary woes in the lower divisions emanate. |  |
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| Championship salary cap on 15:18 - Sep 17 with 2072 views | PinnerPaul |
| Championship salary cap on 14:46 - Sep 17 by SimonJames |
Better still, let's start with imposing the luxury tax on the Premiership - since it from there that most of the salary woes in the lower divisions emanate. |
To be fair, and this is often forgotten, the income tax and VAT paid by PL , clubs, players, Sky and all the associated economy around it must be huge. | | | |
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| Championship salary cap on 15:28 - Sep 17 with 2034 views | denhamhoop2 |
| Championship salary cap on 15:18 - Sep 17 by PinnerPaul |
To be fair, and this is often forgotten, the income tax and VAT paid by PL , clubs, players, Sky and all the associated economy around it must be huge. |
Not by Man United their owners are officially operating at a loss so they pay no tax. Would imagine like all big businesses they pay the minimum amount of tax possible | | | |
| Championship salary cap on 15:46 - Sep 17 with 1994 views | Paddyhoops |
Fine in theory but what about the three relegated clubs who will no doubt be operating on different rules as it will be asking a lot to ask them to basically get rid of contracted, well paid players in a 3 month period just to get anywhere near the cap.
It will be a two tier system if anything.
The EFL will f**...k upper.....They always do!! | | | |
| Championship salary cap on 15:52 - Sep 17 with 1975 views | PinnerPaul |
| Championship salary cap on 15:28 - Sep 17 by denhamhoop2 |
Not by Man United their owners are officially operating at a loss so they pay no tax. Would imagine like all big businesses they pay the minimum amount of tax possible |
That's only tax on profit of Man Utd PLC (or whoever holding company is) they still pay VAT, and all the players & staff pay income tax and there is VAT on transfer fees, gate income - the list is endless. | | | |
| Championship salary cap on 15:55 - Sep 17 with 1967 views | BrianMcCarthy |
I would love a luxury tax. It produces equality and distribution of wealth among the clubs.
I'm less in favour of salary caps as they restrict the amount of wealth being paid by to workers some of whom are already on low and uncertain wages.
Introducing salary caps in our Division rather than luxury taxes will make the Premier League clubs richer again, will help teams relegated from the Premier League get re-promoted, and will condemn clubs like ours - already unfairly manacled by FFP - to eternal mediocrity. |  |
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| Championship salary cap on 15:59 - Sep 17 with 1953 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
The cover all Policy for all clubs in all leagues, is to have a FA Financing Unit where accountants have permanent oversight of club finances and the FA have powers to intervene if a club’s finances start to go South.
No need for FFP, no need for salary cap.
However, the day after Macclesfield go to the wall perhaps we should take any steps that are offered to us, including this one. [Post edited 17 Sep 2020 16:00]
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| Championship salary cap on 16:13 - Sep 17 with 1915 views | Wesley2Hoops |
I seem to be alone on this but my earth shattering idea is demand more effing money from the premier league. Worst case scenario it leads to a split. Long term, would that really be such a bad thing for most football league clubs and fans? And let's see how clever the premiership looks with about 150 dead rubbers a season... | | | |
| Championship salary cap on 16:19 - Sep 17 with 1902 views | derbyhoop |
Great idea but is it really workable in the real world?
We're getting a reputation as a club trying to get their finances under control and there cannot be many of the first team squad earning more than 10K per week. With a squad of 25 that is £13m per year, so well under.
But that is still far in excess of the income. |  |
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| Championship salary cap on 16:40 - Sep 17 with 1844 views | nix |
| Championship salary cap on 15:52 - Sep 17 by PinnerPaul |
That's only tax on profit of Man Utd PLC (or whoever holding company is) they still pay VAT, and all the players & staff pay income tax and there is VAT on transfer fees, gate income - the list is endless. |
I should imagine there are lots of ways to minimise income tax though. For instance, paying a larger proportion of salary as image rights and then assigning greater value to image rights overseas, thus not attracting UK tax. Not sure if that's an actual thing, but it's the kind of dodges they'd make.
Like cafe Nero not having paid corporation tax in the UK for ten years. And the Mrs Browns boys actors getting paid offshore. It's all 'legal' but hardly ethical. |  | | |
| Championship salary cap on 16:55 - Sep 17 with 1814 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Championship salary cap on 16:40 - Sep 17 by nix |
I should imagine there are lots of ways to minimise income tax though. For instance, paying a larger proportion of salary as image rights and then assigning greater value to image rights overseas, thus not attracting UK tax. Not sure if that's an actual thing, but it's the kind of dodges they'd make.
Like cafe Nero not having paid corporation tax in the UK for ten years. And the Mrs Browns boys actors getting paid offshore. It's all 'legal' but hardly ethical. |
"And the Mrs Browns boys actors getting paid offshore. It's all 'legal' but hardly ethical."
It's legal to pay people for taking part in that show. But not ethical! | |
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| Championship salary cap on 17:44 - Sep 17 with 1733 views | PinnerPaul |
| Championship salary cap on 16:40 - Sep 17 by nix |
I should imagine there are lots of ways to minimise income tax though. For instance, paying a larger proportion of salary as image rights and then assigning greater value to image rights overseas, thus not attracting UK tax. Not sure if that's an actual thing, but it's the kind of dodges they'd make.
Like cafe Nero not having paid corporation tax in the UK for ten years. And the Mrs Browns boys actors getting paid offshore. It's all 'legal' but hardly ethical. |
Still think you miss the point slightly.
2 things - there is the VAT and income tax around the whole economy of the PL, not just the clubs 'profit' and to assume that every player and staff member? has worked out a way of avoiding income tax is fanciful to say the least. | | | |
| Championship salary cap on 19:36 - Sep 17 with 1665 views | kensalriser |
Bear in mind that business to business VAT is a zero sum as the receiver hands it to HMRC and the giver then reclaims it from HMRC. |  |
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| Championship salary cap on 01:33 - Sep 18 with 1527 views | qprd |
| Championship salary cap on 14:12 - Sep 17 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Sounds fascinating.
Got any links for this? |
Yep, mlb operates a similar model although the cap is really high, and the “poor teams” are still multi hundred million dollar operations who don’t fear going out of business
Lee hoos actually mentioned this model at a fans forum
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Baseball_luxury_tax | | | |
| Championship salary cap on 14:16 - Sep 18 with 1378 views | PinnerPaul |
| Championship salary cap on 19:36 - Sep 17 by kensalriser |
Bear in mind that business to business VAT is a zero sum as the receiver hands it to HMRC and the giver then reclaims it from HMRC. |
Fair enough but unless everyone who is earning money because of the PL is VAT registered then VAT income is generated - no? | | | |
| Championship salary cap on 14:47 - Sep 18 with 1349 views | kensalriser |
| Championship salary cap on 14:16 - Sep 18 by PinnerPaul |
Fair enough but unless everyone who is earning money because of the PL is VAT registered then VAT income is generated - no? |
VAT is generated on UK retail sales, essentially. | |
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| Championship salary cap on 15:43 - Sep 18 with 1315 views | PinnerPaul |
| Championship salary cap on 14:47 - Sep 18 by kensalriser |
VAT is generated on UK retail sales, essentially. |
Exactly, so as most UK football supporters that actually go to games ARE UK based and not limited companies, - 20% of everything they spend on a matchday - tickets, beer, club shop etc etc goes to the government - as does 20% of their Sky subscriptions!
Doesn't take a lot to figure out loads of other examples. Sure someone must have worked out what the PL 'economy' generates for the government. | | | |
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