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var 20:48 - Sep 19 with 4970 views

digswellhoop

watched palace v man u what the f---- is var here for woefull decizions

var on 22:18 - Sep 19 with 3141 views

Stanisgod

The non handball was joke enough but the retake was an even bigger one. They now have to retake every pen forever more as the goalie ALWAYS moves, but this was literally inches, just an awful pen.
What they should look at is the fact that the lino has ONE job at a pen and seems incapable of doing it.

It's being so happy that keeps me going.

var on 22:58 - Sep 19 with 3108 views

daveB

according to the new handball laws it was a clear penalty, same happen at Liverpool las week

var on 23:19 - Sep 19 with 3075 views

loftboy

What was the difference between the one given to palace and the one not given to westham?

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var on 23:19 - Sep 19 with 3077 views

jtuck

var on 22:58 - Sep 19 by daveB
according to the new handball laws it was a clear penalty, same happen at Liverpool las week

Which proves the new law itself is an ass. Handball should have to be deliberate. But I know that argument has been lost for some reason.

LAranger

var on 00:28 - Sep 20 with 3030 views

stowmarketrange

var on 22:18 - Sep 19 by Stanisgod
The non handball was joke enough but the retake was an even bigger one. They now have to retake every pen forever more as the goalie ALWAYS moves, but this was literally inches, just an awful pen. What they should look at is the fact that the lino has ONE job at a pen and seems incapable of doing it.

I was linesman at my daughters match 2 weeks ago and there were 2 penalties given in the space of 5 minutes at my end,so I stood in the proper position for both.The first was struck pretty firmly straight into the corner,but the 2nd one was well saved by my daughter,and she got up straight away to gather the rebound.
But it was almost impossible to see for certain whether she moved her feet off the line early or not.And that was only 18 year old amateur girls playing at a fraction of the pace of professional male footballers.
If there is var to decide such things,it should be used.

var on 07:46 - Sep 20 with 2903 views

daveB

var on 23:19 - Sep 19 by jtuck
Which proves the new law itself is an ass. Handball should have to be deliberate. But I know that argument has been lost for some reason.

completely agree, didn't think it was a penalty either but I don't think the word deliberate is in the laws now, if it hits your arm it's a penalty just as if the attacking player does that the goal is disallowed

var on 08:30 - Sep 20 with 2878 views

stowmarketrange

var on 07:46 - Sep 20 by daveB
completely agree, didn't think it was a penalty either but I don't think the word deliberate is in the laws now, if it hits your arm it's a penalty just as if the attacking player does that the goal is disallowed

Unless you’re an arsenal player that is.

var on 09:59 - Sep 20 with 2783 views

francisbowles

We seem to lurch from one extreme to the other. For years we have had goalies yards up the pitch, especially in shoot outs, and getting away with it.

Now we have players with ultra slow run ups, with feints, trying to send the keeper the wrong way before they kick the ball and the poor goalie is expected not to move an inch or two forward.

Surely, if you are breaking 'rules' like handball or being an inch of the line, you should have to be seeking to gain an advantage by doing so, to make it a valid infringement.

They keep changing the rules every year, the government's covid rules are easier to understand and remember.

var on 13:31 - Sep 20 with 2702 views

Stanisgod

var on 00:28 - Sep 20 by stowmarketrange

If your periforal vision cant see the ball being struck and the goalie moving at the same time at that age you need to go to specsavers ðŸ˜ðŸ˜

It's being so happy that keeps me going.

var on 13:56 - Sep 20 with 2688 views

Noelmc

var on 13:31 - Sep 20 by Stanisgod
If your periforal vision cant see the ball being struck and the goalie moving at the same time at that age you need to go to specsavers ðŸ˜ðŸ˜

Or Barnard Castle ðŸ˜€

[Post edited 20 Sep 2020 15:21]

var on 14:01 - Sep 20 with 2684 views

stowmarketrange

var on 13:31 - Sep 20 by Stanisgod
If your periforal vision cant see the ball being struck and the goalie moving at the same time at that age you need to go to specsavers ðŸ˜ðŸ˜

I’ve been but it’s not easy to see that clearly.If the var people need to freeze frame it to see if the keeper moves,how can anyone see it at real speed?
I’ve only ever seen one linesman flag for it and that was for paddy Kenny at Portsmouth.

var on 15:19 - Sep 20 with 2645 views

QPR_John

var on 14:01 - Sep 20 by stowmarketrange
I’ve been but it’s not easy to see that clearly.If the var people need to freeze frame it to see if the keeper moves,how can anyone see it at real speed? I’ve only ever seen one linesman flag for it and that was for paddy Kenny at Portsmouth.

"If the var people need to freeze frame it to see if the keeper moves,how can anyone see it at real speed?"

That just about sums up how VAR is being used in one sentence. Sport is a human activity played and controlled by humans. Of course technology can help but if it has to go to the level of freeze frames is it really in the spirit of sport. Before somebody mentions cricket remember that apart from "no ball" technology is only used to confirm or deny what has been spotted by a player/umpire.

var on 15:28 - Sep 20 with 2630 views

Snipper

If a penalty has to be retaken, why can a different player take the penalty?

Unless the player taking the original penalty is unable to retake it, then it should be the same player retaking it imo.

var on 15:37 - Sep 20 with 2622 views

PinnerPaul

var on 07:46 - Sep 20 by daveB
completely agree, didn't think it was a penalty either but I don't think the word deliberate is in the laws now, if it hits your arm it's a penalty just as if the attacking player does that the goal is disallowed

No that's not right Dave - it doesn't have to be deliberate in the old sense, but there is still a distinction between attacker's handball and defenders - bonkers as that is.

Man Utd pen never a pen for me, but what made it worse was the one not given in the Arsenal match.

BTW - Ignore gibberish about new law on MOTD, the arm is defined as level with the armpit, not the sleeve length as the learned trio of Lineker, Jenas and Murphy thought it was.

Penalty retake - yes agree it was a joke ESPECIALLY as law HAS been changed to say that if pen misses goal or hits post then doesn't matter if GK moves, should be same for a save, if GK movement has no impact on kicker then its fine.

Final word on PL refs - the Bilic red card correct as it is now an offence to confront referee after FT or at HT - again ignore more gibberish on MOTD about as there was no swearing, then its not a red.

var on 17:35 - Sep 20 with 2579 views

daveB

var on 15:37 - Sep 20 by PinnerPaul

How does it work with defenders then? Genuinely interested as every football show i watch seems to say something different as you pointed out with MOTD so I'm a bit lost on it.

I thought they changed it this season to be the same as the attacking handball as in if it hits your arm its handball

var on 19:53 - Sep 20 with 2505 views

Stanisgod

var on 15:37 - Sep 20 by PinnerPaul

Jug ears, elbow man and racist still saying sleeve length.

It's being so happy that keeps me going.

var on 20:58 - Sep 20 with 2446 views

qpr_1968

just ban the thing.

Poll:

how many games this season....home/away.

var on 01:21 - Sep 21 with 2380 views

Loftgirl

var on 20:58 - Sep 20 by qpr_1968
just ban the thing.

Exactly. Keep goal line technology, bin everything else.

var on 10:01 - Sep 21 with 2261 views

francisbowles

var on 17:35 - Sep 20 by daveB
How does it work with defenders then? Genuinely interested as every football show i watch seems to say something different as you pointed out with MOTD so I'm a bit lost on it. I thought they changed it this season to be the same as the attacking handball as in if it hits your arm its handball

https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11

var on 15:02 - Sep 21 with 2194 views

Boston

var on 13:31 - Sep 20 by Stanisgod
If your periforal vision cant see the ball being struck and the goalie moving at the same time at that age you need to go to specsavers ðŸ˜ðŸ˜

What and rat out his own daughter!

[Post edited 21 Sep 2020 15:02]

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Thank God The Seaons Over.

var on 15:22 - Sep 21 with 2174 views

stowmarketrange

var on 15:02 - Sep 21 by Boston
What and rat out his own daughter! [Post edited 21 Sep 2020 15:02]

I don’t think she would’ve spoken to me again if I’d suggested they take it again because she’d strayed an inch off her line.It was a cracking save though and they still lost 4-1,so it wasn’t as if my inability to see 10 yards along the line cost them anything.

var on 22:35 - Sep 21 with 2081 views

loftboy

var on 15:02 - Sep 21 by Boston
What and rat out his own daughter! [Post edited 21 Sep 2020 15:02]

When I was in an under 12 team, my dad was running the line, he flagged for me being out my area when I kicked the ball out, I was the keeper and he said the ball was still in my hands as I threw it up to kick it and I had gone out of the area.! Cheers dad.

[Post edited 21 Sep 2020 22:36]

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var on 00:30 - Sep 22 with 2032 views

eastside_r

Having seen that decision at Old Trafford, I am going to give my verdict on VAR.

Hilarious.

var on 00:50 - Sep 22 with 2019 views

timcocking

I don't enjoy watching football any more (with VAR).

It's bad enough, but when they check things which are clear as day and get it wrong...hard to fathom. People will probably start aiming at defenders arms and shooting at their arm from close range instead of at the goal.

Talk about be careful what you wish for, damn.

var on 14:53 - Sep 24 with 1852 views

PinnerPaul

var on 17:35 - Sep 20 by daveB
How does it work with defenders then? Genuinely interested as every football show i watch seems to say something different as you pointed out with MOTD so I'm a bit lost on it. I thought they changed it this season to be the same as the attacking handball as in if it hits your arm its handball

Here you go! Its become ridiculously complicated - great long threads on RefChat where, even as referees we can't agree/become confused. I suppose the pertinent point is the part where 'accidental handball' is mentioned, but only specifically relating to a goal or goalscoring opportunity

Handling the ball
For the purposes of determining handball offences, the upper boundary of
the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit.
It is an offence if a player:
- deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, including moving the
hand/arm towards the ball
-â€‚scores in the opponents’ goal directly from their hand/arm, even if
accidental, including by the goalkeeper
- after the ball has touched their or a team-mate’s hand/arm, even if
accidental, immediately:
- scores in the opponents’ goal
- creates a goal-scoring opportunity
- touches the ball with their hand/arm when:
- the hand/arm has made their body unnaturally bigger
- the hand/arm is above/beyond their shoulder level (unless the player
deliberately plays the ball which then touches their hand/arm)
The above offences apply even if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm
directly from the head or body (including the foot) of another player who is
close.
Except for the above offences, it is not an offence if the ball touches a
player’s hand/arm:

-â€‚directly from the player’s own head or body (including the foot)
-â€‚directly from the head or body (including the foot) of another player who is close
-â€‚if the hand/arm is close to the body and does not make the body unnaturally
bigger
-â€‚when a player falls and the hand/arm is between the body and the ground to
support the body, but not extended laterally or vertically away from the body

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