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There's clearly a small percentage of QPR fans at the moment who would probably get rid of Warbs. I'm still firmly in the 'in' camp, but I'm always one of the last to fold, and I tend to find that when I do fold, the manager is not long in following (exception being Redknapp, who I would've have fired after 5 minutes). So here's an experiment. You are the Chairman/Owner of us and all the Prem clubs. As of now, which of these clubs would you sack the manager from?
Extra question on Southampton: Clearly, no one is going to suggest sacking Hassenhuttl. But would you have sacked him on 9th Nov last year? That would have followed 6 losses in 7, including a 9-0 thrashing at home to Leicester and a 4-1 thrashing at home to Chelsea, and only two league wins all season, against the mighty Brighton and Sheff Utd. They were second bottom with 8 points from 12 games. Now look at them. Anyone got the guts to say they would've ditched the Hass? Hand on heart, I would have been a game or two away.
For me, I would ditch Solskjaer if I could get Poch. I'd have an itchy trigger finger on Arteta. I don't think Scott Parker is up to it, but I'd stick as I don't think they'd get better and I think he'll grow as a manager. Would anyone get rid of wilder?
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Spurs Liverpool Chelsea Leicester Southampton Man U Man C West Ham Everton Wolves Palace Villa Newcastle Leeds Arsenal Brighton Fulham Burnley WBA Sheff U
Bare bones.
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Dragging it back to football - Prem managers on 11:58 - Dec 9 with 1782 views
Just Lampard And then I'd follow him round the country and sack him again and again from every next job he found It's going to break their hearts one day to have to sack a legend !
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Dragging it back to football - Prem managers on 11:59 - Dec 9 with 1780 views
Dragging it back to football - Prem managers on 11:59 - Dec 9 by daveB
Southampton in a tough one, if that was QPR I'd have wanted him gone after that game but he's done a really good job there.
Out of the others Sojskar has got to go, Poch should have been made manager months ago, I'd sack Lampard as well just for a laugh.
Scott Parker not sure about as they are pretty much doing as expected and have a decent chance of staying up
Hassenhuttl is an interesting one. People don't do it as much now, but there was that thing of every time someone was sacked people saying 'But look at Fergie - they stuck with him for four years before it really started coming right and if Robins hadn't scored that goal...' as if it's evidence that if you give *anyone* time, they'll eventually go on a double-decade spree of dominance. But clearly in this case, Southampton decided they had the right man and they had to stick with him, and that must've been immensely tough. I remember people on here saying Hasselbank had to go after Newcastle, as if any time a team gets thrashed, the manager can't recover, which I think is wrong (perhaps our most embarrassing defeat of the last 25 years in the league was the 5-0 reverse at a hapless Southend side, but Gregory turned that round and we stayed up, somehow, being another example). I think this board would have been in meltdown (rightly so!) after a result like Southampton's, and I think the club would have folded (as in sacked, not gone under!).
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Bare bones.
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Dragging it back to football - Prem managers on 12:16 - Dec 9 with 1695 views
Dragging it back to football - Prem managers on 12:11 - Dec 9 by Antti_Heinola
Hassenhuttl is an interesting one. People don't do it as much now, but there was that thing of every time someone was sacked people saying 'But look at Fergie - they stuck with him for four years before it really started coming right and if Robins hadn't scored that goal...' as if it's evidence that if you give *anyone* time, they'll eventually go on a double-decade spree of dominance. But clearly in this case, Southampton decided they had the right man and they had to stick with him, and that must've been immensely tough. I remember people on here saying Hasselbank had to go after Newcastle, as if any time a team gets thrashed, the manager can't recover, which I think is wrong (perhaps our most embarrassing defeat of the last 25 years in the league was the 5-0 reverse at a hapless Southend side, but Gregory turned that round and we stayed up, somehow, being another example). I think this board would have been in meltdown (rightly so!) after a result like Southampton's, and I think the club would have folded (as in sacked, not gone under!).
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In a similar vein didn't we, under Ollie, come back from the Vauxhall Motors debacle to win seven games in a row?
The only time we have done that in more than 50 years!
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Dragging it back to football - Prem managers on 12:44 - Dec 9 with 1606 views
Dragging it back to football - Prem managers on 12:38 - Dec 9 by francisbowles
In a similar vein didn't we, under Ollie, come back from the Vauxhall Motors debacle to win seven games in a row?
The only time we have done that in more than 50 years!
No, we didn't. It got worse, we lost the next two, 4-0 at home to Cardiff and 3-0 away at Notts County! We only lost 4 games after xmas though.
The seven game winning run was our first season back in the Championship when Ollie was about to be sacked for Diaz, the players got wind, and played out their skins for 7 games.
Bare bones.
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Dragging it back to football - Prem managers on 12:55 - Dec 9 with 1577 views
Dragging it back to football - Prem managers on 12:11 - Dec 9 by Antti_Heinola
Hassenhuttl is an interesting one. People don't do it as much now, but there was that thing of every time someone was sacked people saying 'But look at Fergie - they stuck with him for four years before it really started coming right and if Robins hadn't scored that goal...' as if it's evidence that if you give *anyone* time, they'll eventually go on a double-decade spree of dominance. But clearly in this case, Southampton decided they had the right man and they had to stick with him, and that must've been immensely tough. I remember people on here saying Hasselbank had to go after Newcastle, as if any time a team gets thrashed, the manager can't recover, which I think is wrong (perhaps our most embarrassing defeat of the last 25 years in the league was the 5-0 reverse at a hapless Southend side, but Gregory turned that round and we stayed up, somehow, being another example). I think this board would have been in meltdown (rightly so!) after a result like Southampton's, and I think the club would have folded (as in sacked, not gone under!).
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oh yeah it would have been the wrong call to sack him but I can't pretend i wouldn't have been saying time to go. That result actually helped him as he had a meeting with the board and laid out everything he wanted to change and was so impressive they went with it, I doubt he'd have got any of those changes if they had lost 2-0
I think in general Managers get too much praise when things go right and too much scorn when they go wrong.
Only managers at the very extreme ends of talent (Jurgen Klopp / Paul Hart) really make a huge 'buck in trend' difference. I love Warnock for what he did for us but there was dozens of managers that would have taken that squad up. Equally, that side that Ramsey had was more destined for the drop than the Titanic.
That said, i think managers need to be the right fit. I like both Holloway and Warburton but I don't think they would have been able to manager each other's squads for example.
Best thing the club can do is get the training, youth, and stadium facilities into the 21st century. That will have more of a positive impact than almost any managerial appointment.
As for your list, none of them to be honest.
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Dragging it back to football - Prem managers on 13:03 - Dec 9 with 1546 views
I remember when Alex Ferguson was just a game or so away from the sack at Man Utd. IIRC they drew an FA Cup game away (Oldham?), won the replay, won the FA Cup itself and the rest is history.
Fine margins.
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Dragging it back to football - Prem managers on 13:03 - Dec 9 with 1544 views
Tend to agree that the Fergie narrative is a massive outlier too often presented as sage wisdom. 99/100 everyone can see clearly that the wall's been hit.
Think with Hassenhuttl though it was always evident that he was putting in a great deal of thorough work into his coaching throughout and that he remained well-liked at the club. He'd already made a very strong impact and then lost his way tinkering after so it wasn't a complete leap of faith either, and after Hughes previously there was obviously a desire there to see something proper through back along the lines of Poch with a manager they didn't forget was something of a coup to hire in the first place. Even still, yeah, I don't know if they'd have gone down with him if it came to that - possibly though.
Tremendously likeable fella and capable coach, honestly think he might be a smarter bet than Poch for United. Poch has done very well to have everyone forget just how sourly everything ended for him there at Spurs. It's possible at a "big club" he may rub a lot of people up the wrong way. Then again could you say Hassenhuttl would be strong enough to cope with the egos too? Dunno - I suppose reputation is its own persuasion up to a point.
Graham Potter at Brighton is an interesting one along the lines of Hassenhuttl. Total backing there at Brighton but is he flattering to deceive or a step away from taking them up the level they've been built to achieve? (If we have to bring it back to Warbs that's the analogue worth looking at).
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Dragging it back to football - Prem managers on 13:05 - Dec 9 with 1533 views
Warbs clearly needs time. A lot more time than he has been given. Hr could however help himself by...
1. Getting in a big fast centre back. We don't have one. 2. He needs another big relatively swift unit to break up play. Cameron is clearly playing through injury and that leaves Ball. Obviously the loss of Amos, who we only saw coming good as he was injured has had a big impact. 3. Playing 2 up top given that we have 4 inexperienced strikers. He did play Wells and Hugill up front together and they were highly experienced. Playing Dykes or Bonne as lone strikers isn't fair on them. This is a step up for all 4.
If Arteta had started like this he'd certainly be looking at the sack. In terms of credit built he's similar to where Hassenhuttl was in that way, but he's just got so much more to deal with and the scale of the job is now becoming apparent. The bigness and immediate expectations of the club are also working against him - Southampton would always have sold Lacazette and Aubameyang, never bought Partey for that much, arguably Arsenal should have done the same instead of betting big on Champions League qualification. Very tough ask for a young manager to do a quick fix and a long term cultural revamp simultaneously.
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Dragging it back to football - Prem managers on 13:24 - Dec 9 with 1455 views
Dragging it back to football - Prem managers on 12:44 - Dec 9 by Antti_Heinola
No, we didn't. It got worse, we lost the next two, 4-0 at home to Cardiff and 3-0 away at Notts County! We only lost 4 games after xmas though.
The seven game winning run was our first season back in the Championship when Ollie was about to be sacked for Diaz, the players got wind, and played out their skins for 7 games.
Ah! Getting the past mixed up. Came back for promotion the same season then?
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Dragging it back to football - Prem managers on 13:25 - Dec 9 with 1448 views
Dragging it back to football - Prem managers on 12:56 - Dec 9 by BostonR
Arsenal must be watching Hassenhuttl - he is destined for one the top teams in Europe. Arteta moved the cones around for Pep and that is now showing.
I would take Wilder at R's in a shot. Having said that I think he will get Sheff Utd out of their slump.
I watched SU a few times this season on TV and there is no way they are staying up IMO.There was a brilliant camera shot when they lost by that last minute goal Sunday and he just looked like a dead man walking . It was on the cards really not scoring goals in the PL means the drop is inevitable
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Dragging it back to football - Prem managers on 13:35 - Dec 9 with 1423 views
Dragging it back to football - Prem managers on 12:44 - Dec 9 by Antti_Heinola
No, we didn't. It got worse, we lost the next two, 4-0 at home to Cardiff and 3-0 away at Notts County! We only lost 4 games after xmas though.
The seven game winning run was our first season back in the Championship when Ollie was about to be sacked for Diaz, the players got wind, and played out their skins for 7 games.
And this was one of the games in that run...
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Dragging it back to football - Prem managers on 13:41 - Dec 9 with 1403 views
If it gets ugly instead of his signature brand of valiantly futile then Parker will still go I reckon. Probably too burnt from Magath to go for Ralf Rangnick, maybe Rafa Benitez.
Surely even Eddie Howe himself would be bored at the cliche of him at Fulham.
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Dragging it back to football - Prem managers on 13:46 - Dec 9 with 1385 views
Dragging it back to football - Prem managers on 13:03 - Dec 9 by Juzzie
I remember when Alex Ferguson was just a game or so away from the sack at Man Utd. IIRC they drew an FA Cup game away (Oldham?), won the replay, won the FA Cup itself and the rest is history.
Fine margins.
It was the third round game away at Forest where he was supposedly one game away from the tin tack. Going into the game they were 15th, two points above the relegation zone. They won 1-0 through a Mark Robins goal. They did draw with Oldham in the FA Cup that year but that was in the semi finals.
It wouldn't be on footballing grounds, but as the owner of Villa I would dismiss the manager & all of the coaching staff!
The only definite casualty would be at Old Trafford, although you would need to give some thought to Fulham & Brighton. I've nothing against either manager & like how they encourage their teams to play, so Ithink I would retain both at the moment.
As to Southampton last year, I never gave them a thought at the time so I'm not going to look at it with hindsight. That then is a no idea from me!
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Dragging it back to football - Prem managers on 13:51 - Dec 9 with 1360 views
Dragging it back to football - Prem managers on 13:47 - Dec 9 by Antti_Heinola
nope - that was the play-off losing season ;)
I think the first season Olly came back, we finished about 8th in the 3rd tier. The following season play offs (Cardiff). The following season promotion. Then the first year back in the Champ, 7 game winning streak which was ended up at Preston (Andy Hall anyone??!!) Then the next season he left (put on gardening leave) at some stage. Quite late on I think?
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Dragging it back to football - Prem managers on 13:52 - Dec 9 with 1359 views
Dragging it back to football - Prem managers on 12:56 - Dec 9 by BostonR
Arsenal must be watching Hassenhuttl - he is destined for one the top teams in Europe. Arteta moved the cones around for Pep and that is now showing.
I would take Wilder at R's in a shot. Having said that I think he will get Sheff Utd out of their slump.
I think Sheff U are doomed - it would be a miracle to come back from 10 defeats and 1 draw in 11 games and stay up. They're effectively playing a 27 game season now. They were great last season, but I don't think any club outside the top 8 could claw that back. Even if they are only 6 off safety, they still have to turn a pretty big tanker around. BUT I would stick with Wilder, even if they get 1 point all season. He's a good manager and will do well in the Champ for them.
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