| QPR B team 08:06 - Jun 3 with 2744 views | dmm |
It will be very interesting to see how the QPR B team plan develops next season, particularly in terms of loans out.
I can see a good dozen or so players in the U23s, and a few in the first team squad, who need a loan out. It's not always possible to arrange loans so the B team should be a very useful next step for players who can't get a loan for whatever reason. |  | | |  |
| QPR B team on 08:12 - Jun 3 with 2710 views | Northernr |
It's a weird example of the sport deliberately going backwards/departing from something that worked.
Every interview I've done for the Patreon with players who were around in the 80s and 90s have talked about how valuable having a good, competitive reserve team combination structure was. Either for their development coming out of the youth team, as a bridge to the firsts playing competitive football with seasoned professionals, when out of favour with the first team manager, or when coming back off a bad injury. Simon Barker basically said he'd have left QPR after a year when he wasn't getting picked by Trevor Francis if there hadn't been the reserve team with Keith Peacock in charge of it who kept him going.
Everybody I interview now laments the enormous gap between U23s and first team, and how they're trying to come up with creative ways to bridge it. I guess the loan market has exploded and exists in a way it simple didn't in the 80s and 90s but still it seems daft that there's this obvious problem, which didn't used to exist.
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| QPR B team on 08:13 - Jun 3 with 2702 views | gazza1 |
When the B team is started I believe that we will be far more selective where/who we loan out.......personally, loans to Billericay and Eastbourne, for instance will cease. Minimum level should be the National League, top division. |  | | |
| QPR B team on 08:17 - Jun 3 with 2682 views | gazza1 |
| QPR B team on 08:12 - Jun 3 by Northernr |
It's a weird example of the sport deliberately going backwards/departing from something that worked.
Every interview I've done for the Patreon with players who were around in the 80s and 90s have talked about how valuable having a good, competitive reserve team combination structure was. Either for their development coming out of the youth team, as a bridge to the firsts playing competitive football with seasoned professionals, when out of favour with the first team manager, or when coming back off a bad injury. Simon Barker basically said he'd have left QPR after a year when he wasn't getting picked by Trevor Francis if there hadn't been the reserve team with Keith Peacock in charge of it who kept him going.
Everybody I interview now laments the enormous gap between U23s and first team, and how they're trying to come up with creative ways to bridge it. I guess the loan market has exploded and exists in a way it simple didn't in the 80s and 90s but still it seems daft that there's this obvious problem, which didn't used to exist.
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All of this but it was also good fun for Supporters, had some good times at Harrow Boro.
I presume the finances were too much for the Clubs. | | | |
| QPR B team on 08:22 - Jun 3 with 2667 views | Northernr |
| QPR B team on 08:17 - Jun 3 by gazza1 |
All of this but it was also good fun for Supporters, had some good times at Harrow Boro.
I presume the finances were too much for the Clubs. |
Yes, played up at Northwood for a good while as well I believe.
Remember for the Wimbledon cup game when we took 14,000 to selhurst or something daft a couple of my dads mates who watched the reserves absolutely raving about this striker we had on trial scoring a hat trick against Chelsea - Paolo Wanchope. | | | |
| QPR B team on 08:35 - Jun 3 with 2615 views | BazzeR |
At our level are loaning players out a way of recouping wages or even a possible loan fee? | | | |
| QPR B team on 08:36 - Jun 3 with 2606 views | Northernr |
| QPR B team on 08:35 - Jun 3 by BazzeR |
At our level are loaning players out a way of recouping wages or even a possible loan fee? |
Not really. The Peterborough chairman has said they've been asked for a loan fee and wages a couple of times and just laughed at the idea of being able to do that in League One. | | | |
| QPR B team on 12:24 - Jun 3 with 2276 views | HanwellHoopster |
I'm clearly ignorant on this, but what exactly is the difference between an U23s team and a B team? I thought that senior players recovering from injury or not in favour often play in the U23s, so isn't that essentially a B team? Will we have enough players for a first team, B team, and then U23s? Is our 'B team' just going to be extra fixtures for our U23s against more senior opposition? | | | |
| QPR B team on 12:38 - Jun 3 with 2237 views | daveB |
| QPR B team on 12:24 - Jun 3 by HanwellHoopster |
I'm clearly ignorant on this, but what exactly is the difference between an U23s team and a B team? I thought that senior players recovering from injury or not in favour often play in the U23s, so isn't that essentially a B team? Will we have enough players for a first team, B team, and then U23s? Is our 'B team' just going to be extra fixtures for our U23s against more senior opposition? |
There is a limit to how many senior players can play in an under 23 team so with a B team you can play against better opposition and more senior players plus give younger players the chance to play with more senior players in need of game time |  | | |
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| QPR B team on 13:36 - Jun 3 with 2122 views | PinnerPaul |
My Dad, who lived in Cobbold Road, round the corner from LR, used to go to a home game every week.
In those days when the 1st team were away the reserves were at home and vice versa. | | | |
| QPR B team on 13:38 - Jun 3 with 2119 views | LazyFan |
| QPR B team on 12:38 - Jun 3 by daveB |
There is a limit to how many senior players can play in an under 23 team so with a B team you can play against better opposition and more senior players plus give younger players the chance to play with more senior players in need of game time |
They also learn off the older players what it's all really about. Adapt to the speed and physical nature and sly deviousness of the senior game.
In addition, when they play in the first team, they have possibly played a few reserve games with some of the senior pros so, can gel with them quicker, know what is expected of them. Or if the club does not play em, they can possibly get spotted by scouts from lower down the leagues and picked up that way for a pro career, rather than getting let go and having nowhere to go as no one has seen them up against strong oppo.
For the senior pros, they can use these games to come back from injury or suspension to get back to match fitness, show the boss why they should be in the first team and how they should have been picked. Or showcase why some other club should buy em as they could be useful to the buying club.
Also great for the club if it wants to develop players on the cheap, wants to test senior pros fitness, wants to identify untapped talent in other bigger club squads who can then buy on the cheap (we got Danny Maddix from Spuds this way), wants to generate a full squad atmosphere, wants to show progression to wonder kids (Gallen) on why they should stay as they are close to the first team.
But due to Chelscum the fashion seems to be a club that just wants to hog players and loan em out for millions or for free because they are paying for them and don't know what to do with them, then B teams are not strategic. So, the question is what is your club's strategy for young players?
Some may say it did not work for Less, but I would say when Sir Les went out on loan and put agreements in place to force himself into the first team, it was his B Team playing that got him a proper loan move in the first place for him to force it.
Reserve/B team all the way for me.
I want to hear about the next sixteen-year-old Mad Dog Allen carving up a Man Utd Fernandes coming back from injury and making a name for himself. Those were the good old days! |  |
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| QPR B team on 14:02 - Jun 3 with 2080 views | derbyhoop |
If you've a first team squad of 24-25 there's going to be 6 or 7 who miss out. B team gives them a chance to get some match fitness.
If they can get games against PL or overseas teams then it will certainly be more of a test than carrying on at U23 level. I think we've got a decent record, over the last 2-3 years of getting the youngsters out on loans that improve their development, but we do need to be aiming higher than Nat League South (Kendall, Innocent, Drewe, Gubbins). Sometimes it just confirms that they aren't good enough nor never likely to be for the level we need (Dalling, Oteh, Smyth). |  |
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| QPR B team on 15:11 - Jun 3 with 1982 views | HanwellHoopster |
| QPR B team on 12:38 - Jun 3 by daveB |
There is a limit to how many senior players can play in an under 23 team so with a B team you can play against better opposition and more senior players plus give younger players the chance to play with more senior players in need of game time |
Helpful replies to my questions - thank you. Any idea on the limit of the number of senior pros in an U23 game?
Will this weaken our U23s side if the senior pros don't go and play with them from time to time?
Or is this really taking the 8/9 players not in the 1st team squad, the best of the U23s, and creating an in-between side with additional games, rather than diluting the U23s? | | | |
| QPR B team on 15:38 - Jun 3 with 1921 views | Myke |
I remember back in the seventies/early eighties when Liverpool were dominant, every time they bought a new player, they automatically spent a year playing for the reserves to get up to speed before getting into the first team. This happened even with players they brought from fellow Division One teams. I can clearly remember Alan Kennedy and Terry McDermott joining from Newcastle and not getting a game for ages, ditto with Ray Kennedy. But back then, there were only twelve players involved in the match day squad, so they had to be kept sharp somehow. Nowadays, with a match day squad of eighteen, with up to sixteen getting some game time, I would imagine it will be much harder to field 'strong' B teams, especially for smaller clubs like us. That said, I still like the concept of a B team. | | | |
| QPR B team on 15:39 - Jun 3 with 1920 views | slmrstid |
I wonder if its the increasing European influence in the English system that has led to the demise of the Reserve team and leagues over the past 2 decades.
Off the top of my head, Portugal, Spain, France, Germany and the Netherlands all have league pyramids where clubs have reserve teams competing within the pyramid - some of them at quite high levels - some of them capped as to how high they can go - which gives those young players experience of competitive mens football.
Italy have it by the backdoor through the co-ownership system, although I think Juventus now have a B team in the third tier.
Thus all younger teams in those countries all play against the other young teams until they make it into the B/A teams at which point they're playing against men and playing with out of favour pros from the first team. Which is why we've seen a clamouring for it from those continental coaches...I think I've said this before but I wouldn't necessarily be against it in principle, so long as those B teams weren't parachuted into a certain level and the clubs wanting them accepted they'd have to start at the bottom of the pyramid like everyone else...which I imagine would never happen so its a complete non-starter.
The way it works for the Football League trophy is, of course, utterly nonsensical. |  | | |
| QPR B team on 19:51 - Jun 7 with 1270 views | paulhoop2 |
Don’t no why they ever got rid of Avon combination we used to rince it back in gerrys 2nd spell . Dowie in charge Tony scully charging up the wings , Ross weare banging in the goals lol good times. They should go back to old times proper reserves all London and south coast clubs plus possible likes of Northampton , Peterborough , Cambridge etc all play in one league no restriction on ages etc would be much better | |
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| QPR B team on 21:00 - Jun 7 with 1171 views | TacticalR |
| QPR B team on 08:12 - Jun 3 by Northernr |
It's a weird example of the sport deliberately going backwards/departing from something that worked.
Every interview I've done for the Patreon with players who were around in the 80s and 90s have talked about how valuable having a good, competitive reserve team combination structure was. Either for their development coming out of the youth team, as a bridge to the firsts playing competitive football with seasoned professionals, when out of favour with the first team manager, or when coming back off a bad injury. Simon Barker basically said he'd have left QPR after a year when he wasn't getting picked by Trevor Francis if there hadn't been the reserve team with Keith Peacock in charge of it who kept him going.
Everybody I interview now laments the enormous gap between U23s and first team, and how they're trying to come up with creative ways to bridge it. I guess the loan market has exploded and exists in a way it simple didn't in the 80s and 90s but still it seems daft that there's this obvious problem, which didn't used to exist.
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The Football Combination had all the London sides in it, so was competitive:
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| QPR B team on 07:48 - Jun 8 with 965 views | gazza1 |
I am a supporter of competitive reserve team football but sadly I am not sure what competitive reserve team football would be like......in this day and age I think it would be just like friendlies and to be honest they are an absolute joke to watch. Players just stroll around, any physical stuff is just not done in these games so, substitutions, etc, etc, etc......all I am saying it will not be like 'back in the day'. [Post edited 8 Jun 2021 7:49]
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