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QPR are third in the league — Fans forum on 08:20 - Dec 3 with 4902 viewsBrianMcCarthy

Lots to digest there. Thanks man, an incredible sacrifice.

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QPR are third in the league — Fans forum on 08:34 - Dec 3 with 4866 viewsnix

Thanks so much for writing this up Clive. A genuine sacrifice for your readers (yeah, I know, both of us!)

TLDR

The club knows all the issues; those they can do something about, they absolutely do. There are some issues that we can't resolve due to financial constraints or logistical or structural issues (eg rebuilding the stadium in LR or getting more catering staff). They are taking very seriously the unfortunate new hooligan element, are trying to address it but need the fans support and it is a complex situation with no easy answers. The press team works their butt off but can only do so much...
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QPR are third in the league — Fans forum on 09:15 - Dec 3 with 4712 viewsTheChef

Absolute kudos to you for having the will to write it up, and then publish it that same evening/night/morning at 3am!

Honestly Clive if you published it early next week I really don't think anyone would have complained.

As ever with these, plenty in there to make you proud/despair in equal measure.

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QPR are third in the league — Fans forum on 09:58 - Dec 3 with 4577 viewsDixie_CT

Great write up as ever and thank you.

I’m not sure what the purpose of hosting a fans forum is. More negative than positive seems to come from it. The issues are so wide ranging that you’re never going to make much progress on them and maybe they would be better segmenting these events into on pitch and off pitch. More logistics and not as efficient but maybe more effective.

In regards to Lee Hoos comments about the fan base and being pissed off about behaviours, that probably isn’t his place to do so. He is paid, partly but those who he is demonising, to apply his intelligence and logic to us as a business, not his emotions about us as a fan base or as people.
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QPR are third in the league — Fans forum on 10:01 - Dec 3 with 4559 viewsAntti_Heinola

QPR are third in the league — Fans forum on 09:58 - Dec 3 by Dixie_CT

Great write up as ever and thank you.

I’m not sure what the purpose of hosting a fans forum is. More negative than positive seems to come from it. The issues are so wide ranging that you’re never going to make much progress on them and maybe they would be better segmenting these events into on pitch and off pitch. More logistics and not as efficient but maybe more effective.

In regards to Lee Hoos comments about the fan base and being pissed off about behaviours, that probably isn’t his place to do so. He is paid, partly but those who he is demonising, to apply his intelligence and logic to us as a business, not his emotions about us as a fan base or as people.


Can't agree with that last para, Dixie.
He's critcising people for being violent at games. That is anyone's place at the club, or in the fanbase to do so. It should be called out if it is happening. He's not criticising the fan base - quite the opposite if you read what he said, he's criticising a very small group of people who are new to the club and have caused trouble at games. I'd be angry if he wasn't p1sed off.

Bare bones.

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QPR are third in the league — Fans forum on 10:01 - Dec 3 with 4563 viewssprocket

"Josh Scott, head of operations (@QPROperations, operations@qpr.co.uk), said the club had an anonymous reporting text number for five years and it received two texts in that time, one of which was reporting ten men in blue and white making his life miserable (what a club)"

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QPR are third in the league — Fans forum on 10:11 - Dec 3 with 4518 viewsdaveB

Alanis Morrissette would have liked the bit where we spent 15 mins talking about wanting to get rid of some of these fans intent on causing trouble followed by half an hour on wanting to create an Ultras style support in the lower loft that would require those people we want to get rid of.

I should add this is meant as a joke and shouldn't be taken seriously. I'm not for a second suggesting the intention of those wanting safe standing condone any of the recent issues.
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QPR are third in the league — Fans forum on 10:18 - Dec 3 with 4476 viewsslmrstid

QPR are third in the league — Fans forum on 10:11 - Dec 3 by daveB

Alanis Morrissette would have liked the bit where we spent 15 mins talking about wanting to get rid of some of these fans intent on causing trouble followed by half an hour on wanting to create an Ultras style support in the lower loft that would require those people we want to get rid of.

I should add this is meant as a joke and shouldn't be taken seriously. I'm not for a second suggesting the intention of those wanting safe standing condone any of the recent issues.
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Can't agree on this one Dave. It should be possible to have a supporter base create an atmosphere without them all acting like complete thunder-wotsits and giving the club a bad reputation.

I can happily stand up swinging my scarf around my head singing Ally-Ally-O at home or away with the best of them. I can also happily do that without shoving a load of powder up my nose and being an aggressive arse outside a ground and just go home like normal people do.
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QPR are third in the league — Fans forum on 10:36 - Dec 3 with 4376 viewsnix

QPR are third in the league — Fans forum on 10:01 - Dec 3 by Antti_Heinola

Can't agree with that last para, Dixie.
He's critcising people for being violent at games. That is anyone's place at the club, or in the fanbase to do so. It should be called out if it is happening. He's not criticising the fan base - quite the opposite if you read what he said, he's criticising a very small group of people who are new to the club and have caused trouble at games. I'd be angry if he wasn't p1sed off.


This.

Apart from the fact he has to balance the needs of all fans, not just the lairy ones, it has financial implications: if families stay away, if we require more policing, if we get fined, so it absolutely IS his business.

I know it isn't a home game but I wouldn't go to Kenilworth Road now because I don't want trouble. There could equally be away fans who won't come to us because they don't want trouble.
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QPR are third in the league — Fans forum on 10:46 - Dec 3 with 4330 viewsTomS

Wow, what an endurance test, that must have been torture for everyone attending.

But having to relive it by writing it up afterwards is pure self flagellation.
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QPR are third in the league — Fans forum on 11:00 - Dec 3 with 4274 viewsbosh67

I really don't understand the lack of will to redevelop Loftus Road and create stands and a roof that doesn't have 2,500 obscured view seats?

One obvious change I've put forward would be to reduce the size of the pitch to 5-a-side and change our status to 5-a-side as a club. More space to create more fan capacity and a much smaller squad with less costs and the pitch could be used as a basketball court as well. As long as we keep Willock, Dieng, Austin, Dickie and Dunne we should be fine. Just need 5 more players and we're done for the season.

Yet Lee Hoos remains blind to this suggestion??? I don't even like basketball that much but dual use and all that!


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QPR are third in the league — Fans forum on 11:01 - Dec 3 with 4268 viewsDixie_CT

QPR are third in the league — Fans forum on 10:01 - Dec 3 by Antti_Heinola

Can't agree with that last para, Dixie.
He's critcising people for being violent at games. That is anyone's place at the club, or in the fanbase to do so. It should be called out if it is happening. He's not criticising the fan base - quite the opposite if you read what he said, he's criticising a very small group of people who are new to the club and have caused trouble at games. I'd be angry if he wasn't p1sed off.


He is criticising part of the fan base and it doesn’t say violence it says behaviour. If it is violence he wants rid of, and the majority can all say we don’t want that, then say it. Also take some ownership of it, what can the club do to prevent it, pre and post match.

Don’t for one minute think I want overly aggressive fans creating an intimidating atmosphere and I’m embarrassed something at supporting a club with certain fans but no community is perfect and the good fans out weigh the bad ones.
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QPR are third in the league — Fans forum on 11:03 - Dec 3 with 4260 viewsdaveB

QPR are third in the league — Fans forum on 10:18 - Dec 3 by slmrstid

Can't agree on this one Dave. It should be possible to have a supporter base create an atmosphere without them all acting like complete thunder-wotsits and giving the club a bad reputation.

I can happily stand up swinging my scarf around my head singing Ally-Ally-O at home or away with the best of them. I can also happily do that without shoving a load of powder up my nose and being an aggressive arse outside a ground and just go home like normal people do.


of course I agree it's possible and has been done on numerous occasions over the years, I was half joking with that rather clumsy post it was just all the talk of wanting similar to Palace with Ultras etc that was a bit concerning for me as that kind of culture is not really just about fans stood up singing and supporting a team.

For the family stand bit the easy answer is to move it to the upper loft, the views are a lot worse and you get a lot less leg room but it's probably the only way you can do this.
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QPR are third in the league — Fans forum on 11:11 - Dec 3 with 4232 viewsAntti_Heinola

QPR are third in the league — Fans forum on 11:01 - Dec 3 by Dixie_CT

He is criticising part of the fan base and it doesn’t say violence it says behaviour. If it is violence he wants rid of, and the majority can all say we don’t want that, then say it. Also take some ownership of it, what can the club do to prevent it, pre and post match.

Don’t for one minute think I want overly aggressive fans creating an intimidating atmosphere and I’m embarrassed something at supporting a club with certain fans but no community is perfect and the good fans out weigh the bad ones.


Well we're getting into semantics, but it's not just violence is it? As Clive says - people chucking things in 'celebration' is demonstrably dangerous; people snorting coke is illegal; people acting aggressively to other fans and is not acceptable. I'm not quite sure what you're annoyed about tbh. Hoos has literally said in there how proud he is of the club's fans and says the Luton game was the first time he's been embarrassed of some behaviour - someone almost died mate. If he can't call that out, I despair.

Bare bones.

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QPR are third in the league — Fans forum on 11:42 - Dec 3 with 4121 viewsDixie_CT

QPR are third in the league — Fans forum on 11:11 - Dec 3 by Antti_Heinola

Well we're getting into semantics, but it's not just violence is it? As Clive says - people chucking things in 'celebration' is demonstrably dangerous; people snorting coke is illegal; people acting aggressively to other fans and is not acceptable. I'm not quite sure what you're annoyed about tbh. Hoos has literally said in there how proud he is of the club's fans and says the Luton game was the first time he's been embarrassed of some behaviour - someone almost died mate. If he can't call that out, I despair.


How is this for semantics? You are being sanctimonious, irrational and unrealstic.

He very much can call out whatever he wants, of course he can I just didn't see it as very helpful to bring his emotions into the situation. Hoos having an opinon on our fan base is different from me and you as fans.

This conversation and debate is a pretty good snapshot of society right now, you're right, I'm wrong, Hoos is the devil, Hoos is a legend. It's an emotive, subjective subject, and we are all entitled to our opinion. Isn't that and the debate what it is about?
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QPR are third in the league — Fans forum on 11:43 - Dec 3 with 4112 viewsqueensparker

I've been going to Rangers games home and (much more rarely) away for decades and I don't think anyone can deny that since lockdown ended there's a lot more angry young men about than say 3/4 years ago, society is definitely in a far shittier place for a lot of us and we're seeing the results.

That includes our own away fans, I was at Reading and while I can take care of myself there's no way I would bring my kids along to an atmosphere like that while plenty of pissed and coked up fans chuck lighters at each other. You can't pretend it's not happening and at least Hoos isn't hiding.
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QPR are third in the league — Fans forum on 12:27 - Dec 3 with 3963 viewsAntti_Heinola

QPR are third in the league — Fans forum on 11:42 - Dec 3 by Dixie_CT

How is this for semantics? You are being sanctimonious, irrational and unrealstic.

He very much can call out whatever he wants, of course he can I just didn't see it as very helpful to bring his emotions into the situation. Hoos having an opinon on our fan base is different from me and you as fans.

This conversation and debate is a pretty good snapshot of society right now, you're right, I'm wrong, Hoos is the devil, Hoos is a legend. It's an emotive, subjective subject, and we are all entitled to our opinion. Isn't that and the debate what it is about?


You seem really upset. I'm not being sanctimonious in the least - I think most decent people would disapprove of people who fight in the streets, threaten people at the football or spend their time shoving coke up their nose.

Hoos is the CEO of our club, you claim that means he can't have an emotional (and I'm not convnced that's an accurate description of what he said) response to poor behaviour by fans, which is, I'm sorry, absurd. There's only one person here being irrational.

I haven't said Hoos is a legend, you haven't said he's the devil, so it simply isn't as black and white as you're making out. I think he's done and is doing a good job for the club, but that doesn't mean I agree with everything he says or does - when have I ever said that? When have you ever said the opposite?

You're entitled to your opinion - I'm entitled to argue back. That, as you say, is what debate is. If you're feeling annoyed because I've countered your opinion, then I apologise, but I'm not the one being unrealistic here and I never said you're not entitled to your opinion, however wrong I think it is.

Bare bones.

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QPR are third in the league — Fans forum on 12:59 - Dec 3 with 3868 viewsDixie_CT

QPR are third in the league — Fans forum on 12:27 - Dec 3 by Antti_Heinola

You seem really upset. I'm not being sanctimonious in the least - I think most decent people would disapprove of people who fight in the streets, threaten people at the football or spend their time shoving coke up their nose.

Hoos is the CEO of our club, you claim that means he can't have an emotional (and I'm not convnced that's an accurate description of what he said) response to poor behaviour by fans, which is, I'm sorry, absurd. There's only one person here being irrational.

I haven't said Hoos is a legend, you haven't said he's the devil, so it simply isn't as black and white as you're making out. I think he's done and is doing a good job for the club, but that doesn't mean I agree with everything he says or does - when have I ever said that? When have you ever said the opposite?

You're entitled to your opinion - I'm entitled to argue back. That, as you say, is what debate is. If you're feeling annoyed because I've countered your opinion, then I apologise, but I'm not the one being unrealistic here and I never said you're not entitled to your opinion, however wrong I think it is.


I’m not getting annoyed, the discussion is a welcome distraction from writing a budget and my upcoming weekend with the kids.

We are getting into Twitter territory here where righteousness trumps the argument in question.

How should we measure ‘decent people’? Fighting yes, 100%, the majority of violence is abhorrent and not necessary and I don’t want to be near it, I don’t want my kids to be near it or my season ticket holding 70 year old mother to be near it. Those coming to QPR for that should be banned. Go get your fix elsewhere.

Threatening behaviour? See it all the time at games in the stand and the majority is hot air with no intent. Coke taking? Don’t see it as any different to the people who drink excessively and behave in an awful manner (not exclusive to football btw). Who we are to judge what poison people use to enhance their life.

I was making the opposite opinions point just for that reason, that the same thing and the same person will invoke difference opinions. For the record, I think Hoos is doing a brilliant job and we are lucky to have him. One comment won’t cloud my judgement on that.

I’m not annoyed, it’s been great. You can’t truly debate using digital means anyways. Have a good Friday and hopefully 3 points against those quiet, unassuming types from Stoke!!
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QPR are third in the league — Fans forum on 13:04 - Dec 3 with 3849 viewsRs_Holy

QPR are third in the league — Fans forum on 11:11 - Dec 3 by Antti_Heinola

Well we're getting into semantics, but it's not just violence is it? As Clive says - people chucking things in 'celebration' is demonstrably dangerous; people snorting coke is illegal; people acting aggressively to other fans and is not acceptable. I'm not quite sure what you're annoyed about tbh. Hoos has literally said in there how proud he is of the club's fans and says the Luton game was the first time he's been embarrassed of some behaviour - someone almost died mate. If he can't call that out, I despair.


I don't want to sound like a grumpy old git but is the rise in the hooligan element at QPR just a reflection of what we are seeing in society as a whole? Report on the radio today saying that homophobic hate crimes are at a 10 year high. There's so many fatal stabbings these days that it just does not have an impact anymore (young teenagers killing other young teenagers). I know someone who works in the Police and they said to me "you have no idea how bad the levels of drug use are in London now". I think violence in virtually every aspect of life has become normalised which is all very depressing and I have no idea how to improve things? I could go on and on and on but don't want to bore people to death.
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QPR are third in the league — Fans forum on 13:05 - Dec 3 with 3843 viewsNorthernr

QPR are third in the league — Fans forum on 13:04 - Dec 3 by Rs_Holy

I don't want to sound like a grumpy old git but is the rise in the hooligan element at QPR just a reflection of what we are seeing in society as a whole? Report on the radio today saying that homophobic hate crimes are at a 10 year high. There's so many fatal stabbings these days that it just does not have an impact anymore (young teenagers killing other young teenagers). I know someone who works in the Police and they said to me "you have no idea how bad the levels of drug use are in London now". I think violence in virtually every aspect of life has become normalised which is all very depressing and I have no idea how to improve things? I could go on and on and on but don't want to bore people to death.


I make you exactly right. Whether it's just this country or not I don't know because we're not allowed out of it any more, but the whole place is a very angry, very divided, very aggressive place to live atm IMO.
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QPR are third in the league — Fans forum on 13:25 - Dec 3 with 3773 viewsLythamR

QPR are third in the league — Fans forum on 12:59 - Dec 3 by Dixie_CT

I’m not getting annoyed, the discussion is a welcome distraction from writing a budget and my upcoming weekend with the kids.

We are getting into Twitter territory here where righteousness trumps the argument in question.

How should we measure ‘decent people’? Fighting yes, 100%, the majority of violence is abhorrent and not necessary and I don’t want to be near it, I don’t want my kids to be near it or my season ticket holding 70 year old mother to be near it. Those coming to QPR for that should be banned. Go get your fix elsewhere.

Threatening behaviour? See it all the time at games in the stand and the majority is hot air with no intent. Coke taking? Don’t see it as any different to the people who drink excessively and behave in an awful manner (not exclusive to football btw). Who we are to judge what poison people use to enhance their life.

I was making the opposite opinions point just for that reason, that the same thing and the same person will invoke difference opinions. For the record, I think Hoos is doing a brilliant job and we are lucky to have him. One comment won’t cloud my judgement on that.

I’m not annoyed, it’s been great. You can’t truly debate using digital means anyways. Have a good Friday and hopefully 3 points against those quiet, unassuming types from Stoke!!


I think that as the CEO Hoos is ultimately responsible for QPR not just financially but as a Brand so i think its reasonable for him to be concerned/involved in anything that threatens to tarnish the QPR brand.

If I had spent 5 years polishing something and somebody came along and smeared shit over it i would be a bit pissed off
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QPR are third in the league — Fans forum on 14:23 - Dec 3 with 3577 viewsdaveB

QPR are third in the league — Fans forum on 13:04 - Dec 3 by Rs_Holy

I don't want to sound like a grumpy old git but is the rise in the hooligan element at QPR just a reflection of what we are seeing in society as a whole? Report on the radio today saying that homophobic hate crimes are at a 10 year high. There's so many fatal stabbings these days that it just does not have an impact anymore (young teenagers killing other young teenagers). I know someone who works in the Police and they said to me "you have no idea how bad the levels of drug use are in London now". I think violence in virtually every aspect of life has become normalised which is all very depressing and I have no idea how to improve things? I could go on and on and on but don't want to bore people to death.


The report on the Euro 2020 final came out today is genuinely shocking how some people chose to behave
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QPR are third in the league — Fans forum on 14:41 - Dec 3 with 3526 viewsRs_Holy

QPR are third in the league — Fans forum on 14:23 - Dec 3 by daveB

The report on the Euro 2020 final came out today is genuinely shocking how some people chose to behave


Don't get me started again... I've got a pretty grim story (maybe for another time?)... Anyway I remember Warbs saying in an interview in the summer he was there that day and was ashamed to be English.
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QPR are third in the league — Fans forum on 14:50 - Dec 3 with 3506 viewswood_hoop

QPR are third in the league — Fans forum on 13:05 - Dec 3 by Northernr

I make you exactly right. Whether it's just this country or not I don't know because we're not allowed out of it any more, but the whole place is a very angry, very divided, very aggressive place to live atm IMO.


Thankfully Clive you have built a place where as much opinions may differ, it can be done 99.999% as a haven away from the hatred/bile that is consuming this beautiful land and the putrid permutating shite hole of Social Media.
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QPR are third in the league — Fans forum on 15:21 - Dec 3 with 3417 viewsNW5Hoop

QPR are third in the league — Fans forum on 12:59 - Dec 3 by Dixie_CT

I’m not getting annoyed, the discussion is a welcome distraction from writing a budget and my upcoming weekend with the kids.

We are getting into Twitter territory here where righteousness trumps the argument in question.

How should we measure ‘decent people’? Fighting yes, 100%, the majority of violence is abhorrent and not necessary and I don’t want to be near it, I don’t want my kids to be near it or my season ticket holding 70 year old mother to be near it. Those coming to QPR for that should be banned. Go get your fix elsewhere.

Threatening behaviour? See it all the time at games in the stand and the majority is hot air with no intent. Coke taking? Don’t see it as any different to the people who drink excessively and behave in an awful manner (not exclusive to football btw). Who we are to judge what poison people use to enhance their life.

I was making the opposite opinions point just for that reason, that the same thing and the same person will invoke difference opinions. For the record, I think Hoos is doing a brilliant job and we are lucky to have him. One comment won’t cloud my judgement on that.

I’m not annoyed, it’s been great. You can’t truly debate using digital means anyways. Have a good Friday and hopefully 3 points against those quiet, unassuming types from Stoke!!


This par: "Threatening behaviour? See it all the time at games in the stand and the majority is hot air with no intent. Coke taking? Don’t see it as any different to the people who drink excessively and behave in an awful manner (not exclusive to football btw). Who we are to judge what poison people use to enhance their life."

And yet we also all go on about wanting to get young kids to come to QPR, rather than watching Chelsea/Liverpool/City on TV. Well, the best way to do that is to ensure QPR is a place that people want to bring their young kids to. Among the things that parents don't like exposing young kids to are threatening behaviour, and coked up idiots shouting the odds.
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