| The Beale and end all? Column on 08:23 - Jun 2 with 3764 views | thehat |
Thanks Clive - Great write up and lots of challenges ahead.
A mid table finish should definitely be our aim this year with a view to another promotion push in year 3.
Lots of politics in play but I guess that is the same in any club.
As you say some player sales will be needed in that time too to keep us afloat.
Just hope our fanbase have patience when we have some tricky periods. |  | |  |
| The Beale and end all? Column on 08:32 - Jun 2 with 3734 views | BklynRanger |
| The Beale and end all? Column on 20:10 - Jun 1 by Northernr |
Ooh, we’ve cycled back around to BRING BACK GERRY FRANCIS awfully quickly 😅
#tortureTuesday |
Probably not too late to cancel that foreign junket and dive deeply into the possible assistant permutations - 90 intense minutes with Gorman and Magilton middle of next week sort of thing... |  | | |
| The Beale and end all? Column on 09:03 - Jun 2 with 3657 views | daveB |
without wanting to sound like Arry Redknapp it is going to be important to get the right players in this summer, doesn't matter how good or bad you are as a manager you are not doing much at QPR with these full backs and forwards.
I'm quite excited but it all though, he sounds too good to be true |  | | |
| The Beale and end all? Column on 09:53 - Jun 2 with 3523 views | dm97 |
Agree with all the above, concerns and hopes. My overriding thought is if it were Blackburn getting Beale and us getting Farke/Carvahal/Ainsworth we’d all be looking at it and lamenting us for not being the club that thinks outside the box and taking a chance.
Fair play to all those recruiting, think it’s the best move we could have made [Post edited 2 Jun 2022 9:54]
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| The Beale and end all? Column on 10:31 - Jun 2 with 3437 views | PlanetHonneywood |
Well everything but the one unknown of how will he cope with being at the helm.
Aside of who he (can) bring in and who among our galacticos stay, the one important thing is always the buy-in of the players. We’ve had countless managers who appear to hack players off; lose the dressing room; or favour the wrong ones. However, it seems that getting the players onboard and motivated are skills he has in abundance with some tactical nous by the bucketload.
It’s probably as good as we could ever hope with what we have and what we have to get what we need.
Never dull is it? |  |
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| The Beale and end all? Column on 10:39 - Jun 2 with 3420 views | NgaiTahu_Hoop |
Thanks Clive I don’t know how, but you always manage to wrap up all the threads and angles in these sagas and by the end of them I feel I know everything I need to with several guffaws and the odd belly laugh. I’m feeling positive about the next season after that.
Does anyone know if the young fellas Sinclair and Kelman have wheels? Good opportunity if they do. | | | |
| The Beale and end all? Column on 11:08 - Jun 2 with 3367 views | DannyPaddox |
Great introduction to the new manager* and at what speed. Just for a laugh can you put up the piece you had ready to go on Sol Campbell? ðŸ˜
*Edit: Head Coach of course. [Post edited 2 Jun 2022 11:35]
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| The Beale and end all? Column on 11:35 - Jun 2 with 3287 views | Sonofpugwash |
Might be prudent of him now to delete his Twitter account? |  |
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| The Beale and end all? Column on 11:49 - Jun 2 with 3232 views | CamberleyR |
One point. I've heard him referred to both, so is it 'Michael' or 'Mick' ? |  |
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| The Beale and end all? Column on 11:52 - Jun 2 with 3226 views | Northernr |
| The Beale and end all? Column on 11:49 - Jun 2 by CamberleyR |
One point. I've heard him referred to both, so is it 'Michael' or 'Mick' ? |
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| The Beale and end all? Column on 14:25 - Jun 2 with 2965 views | Sonofpugwash |
Thanks for the insighful info and I'm much more optimistic now,especially the bit about him being"multi" lingual and having worked abroad.Maybe he can bring in some european potential gems to go alongside the domestic product,worked for Brighton and others.
Seems like he may be of the philosophical school that produced Dave Sexton?Wouldn't that be something. [Post edited 2 Jun 2022 17:36]
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| The Beale and end all? Column on 17:47 - Jun 2 with 2766 views | simmo |
Excellent and forward thinking appointment, it feels like a Potter style hire for a young manager with a big future cutting his teeth with QPR. On the pitch we should always try to sign players that see us as a step up / development ground for bigger things, it makes sense to extend that philosophy to the touchline too.
First year especially will be tough though, limited resources and lots of big gaps in key positions - especially full back. The silver lining though is that you'd expect he has excellent contacts and knowledge for the loan market, which while that may play against the internal development remit he's got, could be a stop gap solution. We shouldn't abandon the loan market completely IMO, every club in this league utilises it and if it allows us to play the way Beale wants to play sooner, that will benefit the team until we get perm solutions. |  |
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| The Beale and end all? Column on 18:20 - Jun 2 with 2719 views | Northernr |
| The Beale and end all? Column on 17:47 - Jun 2 by simmo |
Excellent and forward thinking appointment, it feels like a Potter style hire for a young manager with a big future cutting his teeth with QPR. On the pitch we should always try to sign players that see us as a step up / development ground for bigger things, it makes sense to extend that philosophy to the touchline too.
First year especially will be tough though, limited resources and lots of big gaps in key positions - especially full back. The silver lining though is that you'd expect he has excellent contacts and knowledge for the loan market, which while that may play against the internal development remit he's got, could be a stop gap solution. We shouldn't abandon the loan market completely IMO, every club in this league utilises it and if it allows us to play the way Beale wants to play sooner, that will benefit the team until we get perm solutions. |
I don't think we'll have any choice but to utilise loans on our budget next season, especially up front. | | | |
| The Beale and end all? Column on 19:28 - Jun 2 with 2574 views | Myke |
| The Beale and end all? Column on 18:20 - Jun 2 by Northernr |
I don't think we'll have any choice but to utilise loans on our budget next season, especially up front. |
I have made the argument before, that Warburton was never afraid in his three years to dip into the loan market to fill 'stop-gap' positions when he needed to. However, your point that he seemed to have leaned too far in that direction this season, with Gray and Hendrick is a valid one, considering we had 'unsaleable' assets like Chaz, Jo, Jo, and Wallace already on board. I wonder how much of that was his choice, or the pressure put on him to 'get promoted or lose your job' which was essentially his remit last season, I guess we'll never know fully.
If we do end up loaning strikers it will feel a bit like 'back to the future' with Wells and Hugill from 2019/20. Many will argue that we are in a better place now than three years ago, but I wonder are we? In certain areas, for sure, the 'spine' of the side is better and add in our two No. 10's (if we can keep both). But in other areas - fullbacks in particular - we are weaker and if this is where Beale hangs his hat on success, we have a serious recruitment challenge ahead - probably at the expense of Willock. | | | |
| The Beale and end all? Column on 19:32 - Jun 2 with 2572 views | daveB |
| The Beale and end all? Column on 18:20 - Jun 2 by Northernr |
I don't think we'll have any choice but to utilise loans on our budget next season, especially up front. |
ideal balance would be 2/3 loans as regulars in the team with the rest our own players and that should be doable. Too often we've done it the other way around with all loans and only a few of our own which never seems to work | | | |
| The Beale and end all? Column on 19:37 - Jun 2 with 2567 views | Northernr |
| The Beale and end all? Column on 19:28 - Jun 2 by Myke |
I have made the argument before, that Warburton was never afraid in his three years to dip into the loan market to fill 'stop-gap' positions when he needed to. However, your point that he seemed to have leaned too far in that direction this season, with Gray and Hendrick is a valid one, considering we had 'unsaleable' assets like Chaz, Jo, Jo, and Wallace already on board. I wonder how much of that was his choice, or the pressure put on him to 'get promoted or lose your job' which was essentially his remit last season, I guess we'll never know fully.
If we do end up loaning strikers it will feel a bit like 'back to the future' with Wells and Hugill from 2019/20. Many will argue that we are in a better place now than three years ago, but I wonder are we? In certain areas, for sure, the 'spine' of the side is better and add in our two No. 10's (if we can keep both). But in other areas - fullbacks in particular - we are weaker and if this is where Beale hangs his hat on success, we have a serious recruitment challenge ahead - probably at the expense of Willock. |
Strikers I just think are so difficult. It's actually a touch we didn't end up with Leeds or Everton in this division, because when we got Villa and Newcastle all that happened is one Dwight Gayle/Ross McCormack/Jonathan Kodija/Scott Hogan started costing you £10m. Just basic, reasonably good Championship strikers. And you started seeing nonsense like Hugill, Madine, Zahore going for £8m (!!!!). I mean, god love him, but Hugill for £8m?
We've tried, with Bonne, Dykes, Kelman. They all still have a chance BTW. If Dykes could time one of his hot streaks with an international goal in a big game we could still coin that. But it's so difficult. I don't see how we do next season on our budget without loaning strikers TBH. Unless Armstrong genuinely is the next coming of Clive Allen.
Last season I think they'd finished the previous one so, so, so well, that they saw a chance to push the boat out a bit and go for it, because a promotion and everything you get for that even if you finish dead last with 38/38 defeats would be transformational to this club with these people running it day to day. Whatever people say or think about Les and Lee, you give them a £150m Premier League windfall and we'd be set for the next ten years, I'm very confident of that. But I do think they made mistakes, and didn't veto stuff they should have vetoed, didn't push through things they should have pushed through, because Warbs had won 15/23 games at the end of last season and if he could just do that over 46 matches this year we'd be off to the races.
Gray, I kind of forgive (though not really). Hendrick, I know you like, but it was a joke, a total joke. Even if he'd played well. We're definitely not meant to be at this point in our cycle looking at the squad and thinking 'there's no fullbacks Gromit', that was a failing. | | | |
| The Beale and end all? Column on 19:41 - Jun 2 with 2557 views | Northernr |
| The Beale and end all? Column on 19:32 - Jun 2 by daveB |
ideal balance would be 2/3 loans as regulars in the team with the rest our own players and that should be doable. Too often we've done it the other way around with all loans and only a few of our own which never seems to work |
And loans are tricky to get right. I don't like it when you're just loaning in some 30+ lump like Tomer Hemed, what's in it for anybody? Doesn't need to play well. Doesn't care. Getting paid. Done his career. But then Glenn Murray worked quite well for some people. What you want ideally is some 21-year-old who's basically good enough already for his Prem tem but can't get in front of whatever £100m player they have in his position - Swansea did great wiith Rhian Brewster, Preston with Cameron Archer... but then Millwall loaned Troy Parrott and we all went "ooohhhhhhhh Millwall are going for it" and I don't think he scored once.
I think it's easy for people like me to sit here and write articles about should have, would have, could have. But you try getting it right. I'm very, very confident in Andy Belk, head of recruitment. One of the most impressive people I've met doing interviews at QPR. Sounds like he's had a big influence in the managerial appointment too so his star is on the rise. If this goes moderately well, I think it's him we'll be struggling to hang onto. | | | |
| The Beale and end all? Column on 20:16 - Jun 2 with 2485 views | terryb |
I have no idea who we could sign/loan to help us upfront, but I do have a sugestion for right back.
It is very rare for me to sugest that we should sign a former player (or manager), but I doubt that the valuation for Darnell Furlong has increased since he joined West Brom. This would give us cover at centre half as well as giving us a right back.
Perhaps we couldn't offer as much as we received for him & I've no idea if he is a Bruce type player. | | | |
| The Beale and end all? Column on 20:21 - Jun 2 with 2478 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| The Beale and end all? Column on 19:37 - Jun 2 by Northernr |
Strikers I just think are so difficult. It's actually a touch we didn't end up with Leeds or Everton in this division, because when we got Villa and Newcastle all that happened is one Dwight Gayle/Ross McCormack/Jonathan Kodija/Scott Hogan started costing you £10m. Just basic, reasonably good Championship strikers. And you started seeing nonsense like Hugill, Madine, Zahore going for £8m (!!!!). I mean, god love him, but Hugill for £8m?
We've tried, with Bonne, Dykes, Kelman. They all still have a chance BTW. If Dykes could time one of his hot streaks with an international goal in a big game we could still coin that. But it's so difficult. I don't see how we do next season on our budget without loaning strikers TBH. Unless Armstrong genuinely is the next coming of Clive Allen.
Last season I think they'd finished the previous one so, so, so well, that they saw a chance to push the boat out a bit and go for it, because a promotion and everything you get for that even if you finish dead last with 38/38 defeats would be transformational to this club with these people running it day to day. Whatever people say or think about Les and Lee, you give them a £150m Premier League windfall and we'd be set for the next ten years, I'm very confident of that. But I do think they made mistakes, and didn't veto stuff they should have vetoed, didn't push through things they should have pushed through, because Warbs had won 15/23 games at the end of last season and if he could just do that over 46 matches this year we'd be off to the races.
Gray, I kind of forgive (though not really). Hendrick, I know you like, but it was a joke, a total joke. Even if he'd played well. We're definitely not meant to be at this point in our cycle looking at the squad and thinking 'there's no fullbacks Gromit', that was a failing. |
The £150m PL windfall is an interesting one. A lot is made of it when the reality is most clubs spend it (and more) just to be competitive in the division. QPR were certainly worse off after their last forays into the PL. The £70m wage bill, and resultant FFP fine, continues to hamstring the club.
The windfall will only be beneficial if the board largely sticks with the same squad that achieves promotion and accepts that we're likely to get our backsides handed to us from time-to-time. Had Warnock stuck with the team that were promoted in 2010-11 we'd be in a much healthier financial position now. |  | | |
| The Beale and end all? Column on 20:56 - Jun 2 with 2389 views | Myke |
| The Beale and end all? Column on 19:41 - Jun 2 by Northernr |
And loans are tricky to get right. I don't like it when you're just loaning in some 30+ lump like Tomer Hemed, what's in it for anybody? Doesn't need to play well. Doesn't care. Getting paid. Done his career. But then Glenn Murray worked quite well for some people. What you want ideally is some 21-year-old who's basically good enough already for his Prem tem but can't get in front of whatever £100m player they have in his position - Swansea did great wiith Rhian Brewster, Preston with Cameron Archer... but then Millwall loaned Troy Parrott and we all went "ooohhhhhhhh Millwall are going for it" and I don't think he scored once.
I think it's easy for people like me to sit here and write articles about should have, would have, could have. But you try getting it right. I'm very, very confident in Andy Belk, head of recruitment. One of the most impressive people I've met doing interviews at QPR. Sounds like he's had a big influence in the managerial appointment too so his star is on the rise. If this goes moderately well, I think it's him we'll be struggling to hang onto. |
So if we sold Willock to Nottingham Forest (why not?) for £5M and you (Beale) were told you could re-invest that and the 20k(?) a week saved on Austin's wages back into the squad, what would be the smart thing to do? You won't get any kind of a decent striker for that, so are you better off signing a RB and a LB for 2M apiece and another 'versatile' defender for 1M, take a chance on Moses and resign him as back up. Then try and loan in your strikers - we would need at least two. Even with the hypothetical 5M at our disposal, it's a big ask. | | | |
| The Beale and end all? Column on 21:15 - Jun 2 with 2352 views | BrazilNutR |
I wonder if Beale is still close with Rogerio Ceni who took him to Sao Paulo for his 6 month stint.. he is now back as Manager of Sao Paulo after a few different clubs since getting the boot first time round in his first managerial role.. might be a good route to getting some young Brazilians in.
This appointment seems almost too good to be true, It has definitely been the most exciting managerial appointment I can remember, a bit like signing an unknown foreign player - a Ned Zelic-esque signing (hope it turns out better than that one!) I am not sure any other choice would have totally wiped out the doubts I had about letting Warbs go, but it almost all makes sense now... just hope we can now stick to the script and turn the dream into reality. |  | | |
| The Beale and end all? Column on 21:37 - Jun 2 with 2297 views | Northernr |
| The Beale and end all? Column on 20:56 - Jun 2 by Myke |
So if we sold Willock to Nottingham Forest (why not?) for £5M and you (Beale) were told you could re-invest that and the 20k(?) a week saved on Austin's wages back into the squad, what would be the smart thing to do? You won't get any kind of a decent striker for that, so are you better off signing a RB and a LB for 2M apiece and another 'versatile' defender for 1M, take a chance on Moses and resign him as back up. Then try and loan in your strikers - we would need at least two. Even with the hypothetical 5M at our disposal, it's a big ask. |
I mean you should get twice that for Willock but otherwise yeh, exactly that, exactly that. | | | |
| The Beale and end all? Column on 21:41 - Jun 2 with 2286 views | Northernr |
| The Beale and end all? Column on 20:21 - Jun 2 by Benny_the_Ball |
The £150m PL windfall is an interesting one. A lot is made of it when the reality is most clubs spend it (and more) just to be competitive in the division. QPR were certainly worse off after their last forays into the PL. The £70m wage bill, and resultant FFP fine, continues to hamstring the club.
The windfall will only be beneficial if the board largely sticks with the same squad that achieves promotion and accepts that we're likely to get our backsides handed to us from time-to-time. Had Warnock stuck with the team that were promoted in 2010-11 we'd be in a much healthier financial position now. |
Exactly. That’s why I say I think if you went up with Hoos et al, and you could keep Tony and the owners calm, we could do exactly that. Hoos has said as much in interview.
There’s be a lot of woe is me “what is the point of football if not to have a go” wobbling on here, Twitter would go nuts, but it’s exactly what we should do. And should have done. | | | |
| The Beale and end all? Column on 22:42 - Jun 2 with 2175 views | daveB |
I've always like Harry Toffollo at Huddersfield, they just extended his contract by a year with a lee hoos style clause but he had turned down longer ones, if we have money might be worth testing the waters with him | | | |
| The Beale and end all? Column on 00:28 - Jun 3 with 2054 views | silverbirch |
Highly respected progressive young coach who will improve players loaned to us, great contacts at clubs above us…I think we’ll see some exciting loan players
Edit - and a nice new training ground [Post edited 3 Jun 2022 0:29]
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