| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 10:02 - Dec 1 with 1905 views | TheChef |
Cheers Clive - as you wrote, frustrating but inevitable. And yeah if Madsen had scored to make it to 2-1 to us who knows how the game might have ended.
Can only hope that Stephan has learnt from this for the next three game week, he seems to know now to go for it in games one and two, but you do need to freshen it up a bit in game three especially if there's been a lot of travel involved. Not picking RND to start was odd; the misuse of Kolli is bewildering. Kone left on the bench?
And bringing on Frey felt very Redknapp-esque, "Look at what I've got here, please go and buy me a better striker in January."
QPR - we win some, we lose some. |  |
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| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 10:05 - Dec 1 with 1904 views | TheChef |
| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 20:09 - Nov 30 by Northernr |
Agree mate. As I said in the report not the first time this season I’ve found our strength and conditioning a bit weird and wonderful. |
On the plus side the QPR team at next year's Tour de France will be real contenders. | |
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| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 10:57 - Dec 1 with 1761 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
I don't go to many away games (and I know we've got a pretty decent away record this season) but I seem to pick the ones where we are absolute trash. It was just such a poor performance against a team who were on an appalling run of form. I agree with Clive - we will never get anywhere while we still have that kind of display in our armoury. |  | | |
| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 11:04 - Dec 1 with 1755 views | daveB |
On the team selection I'd have liked to see a few more changes as well, would have started Norrington Davies, Hayden in for Varane and maybe Kone for Saito but I followed the game on social media at the weekend as I was on a day out with the kids.
The reaction to the team was almost universally positive, same again lads, glad he's learnt and not made changes again and those same accounts were slaughtering the manager 2 hours later for not chaging the team.
Yes there was a bit of fatigue in the team but that 11 he picked really should have been good enough to put up a far better fight than they did.
it's a QPR mindset thing for me, we've seen it for years we win a few then they just drop their levels a bit and throw in performances like this. The manager is usually the one blamed for it but I just think there is a mindset at the club that isn't one to be winners but to just do enough and that rears it's head every season. |  | | |
| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 18:06 - Dec 1 with 1405 views | JamesB1979 |
| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 11:04 - Dec 1 by daveB |
On the team selection I'd have liked to see a few more changes as well, would have started Norrington Davies, Hayden in for Varane and maybe Kone for Saito but I followed the game on social media at the weekend as I was on a day out with the kids.
The reaction to the team was almost universally positive, same again lads, glad he's learnt and not made changes again and those same accounts were slaughtering the manager 2 hours later for not chaging the team.
Yes there was a bit of fatigue in the team but that 11 he picked really should have been good enough to put up a far better fight than they did.
it's a QPR mindset thing for me, we've seen it for years we win a few then they just drop their levels a bit and throw in performances like this. The manager is usually the one blamed for it but I just think there is a mindset at the club that isn't one to be winners but to just do enough and that rears it's head every season. |
I’m pretty amazed at the reaction on social media if they were happy with the team. I would rotate the team more. There is literally no difference in standard between most of the players.
Hayden, Field, Varane, Madsen…..you could argue any 2 of them.
Saito, Smyth, Poku, Kolli, Chair, Dembele….ok I’d play Chair, but any of the others…much difference? You could argue for each one.
JCS, Morrison, Cook, Dunne, Mbengue……again any 3
Of the 5 is fine.
Burrell would be an exception but is Kone a bad replacement??
RND at left back is the only one.
The game on Saturday was 100% down to the manager. We’ve got all these similar level players sat with their feet up. | | | |
| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 18:09 - Dec 1 with 1403 views | Northernr |
| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 18:06 - Dec 1 by JamesB1979 |
I’m pretty amazed at the reaction on social media if they were happy with the team. I would rotate the team more. There is literally no difference in standard between most of the players.
Hayden, Field, Varane, Madsen…..you could argue any 2 of them.
Saito, Smyth, Poku, Kolli, Chair, Dembele….ok I’d play Chair, but any of the others…much difference? You could argue for each one.
JCS, Morrison, Cook, Dunne, Mbengue……again any 3
Of the 5 is fine.
Burrell would be an exception but is Kone a bad replacement??
RND at left back is the only one.
The game on Saturday was 100% down to the manager. We’ve got all these similar level players sat with their feet up. |
With a couple of notable exceptions (Dave B, Jack Supple, QPR Analytics, Niall accounts) the last time I read anything on QPR social media worth reading I still had hair. |  | | |
| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 18:47 - Dec 1 with 1341 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 18:09 - Dec 1 by Northernr |
With a couple of notable exceptions (Dave B, Jack Supple, QPR Analytics, Niall accounts) the last time I read anything on QPR social media worth reading I still had hair. |
I understand the front garden being bare but surely there's still grass on the back? |  | | |
| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 18:58 - Dec 1 with 1315 views | Northernr |
| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 18:47 - Dec 1 by Benny_the_Ball |
I understand the front garden being bare but surely there's still grass on the back? |
Social media or my head? | | | |
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| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 20:08 - Dec 1 with 1217 views | Myke |
| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 11:04 - Dec 1 by daveB |
On the team selection I'd have liked to see a few more changes as well, would have started Norrington Davies, Hayden in for Varane and maybe Kone for Saito but I followed the game on social media at the weekend as I was on a day out with the kids.
The reaction to the team was almost universally positive, same again lads, glad he's learnt and not made changes again and those same accounts were slaughtering the manager 2 hours later for not chaging the team.
Yes there was a bit of fatigue in the team but that 11 he picked really should have been good enough to put up a far better fight than they did.
it's a QPR mindset thing for me, we've seen it for years we win a few then they just drop their levels a bit and throw in performances like this. The manager is usually the one blamed for it but I just think there is a mindset at the club that isn't one to be winners but to just do enough and that rears it's head every season. |
Absolutely agree - it’s entirely attitudinal - anything else is just smoke and mirrors. Being going on for years, no amount of managerial or player changes make a difference. In my head the players have a WhatsApp group where they decide before the game if they are going to give it a go or can’t be arsed. There is no other explanation how the whole team can be off song at the same time.
One positive for me was that we didn’t score a consolation in the 96th minute - imagine if we had scored two and still lost… | | | |
| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 20:14 - Dec 1 with 1209 views | daveB |
| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 18:06 - Dec 1 by JamesB1979 |
I’m pretty amazed at the reaction on social media if they were happy with the team. I would rotate the team more. There is literally no difference in standard between most of the players.
Hayden, Field, Varane, Madsen…..you could argue any 2 of them.
Saito, Smyth, Poku, Kolli, Chair, Dembele….ok I’d play Chair, but any of the others…much difference? You could argue for each one.
JCS, Morrison, Cook, Dunne, Mbengue……again any 3
Of the 5 is fine.
Burrell would be an exception but is Kone a bad replacement??
RND at left back is the only one.
The game on Saturday was 100% down to the manager. We’ve got all these similar level players sat with their feet up. |
Yeah social media maybe not a great barometer but I didn't really see the outcry at the team selection at 2 o clock that I saw 3 hours later.
For me yes you can make a few changes and he probably should have but I'm not sure those changes make us siginificantly better
I think it's easy to 100% blame the manager as if the players selected have no say over what happened on the pitch or no control over their own performance. They all could have done a lot better at the weekend | | | |
| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 21:21 - Dec 1 with 1108 views | JamesB1979 |
| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 20:14 - Dec 1 by daveB |
Yeah social media maybe not a great barometer but I didn't really see the outcry at the team selection at 2 o clock that I saw 3 hours later.
For me yes you can make a few changes and he probably should have but I'm not sure those changes make us siginificantly better
I think it's easy to 100% blame the manager as if the players selected have no say over what happened on the pitch or no control over their own performance. They all could have done a lot better at the weekend |
If they are all fit, then I agree that changes make little difference. But that’s my point. I don’t believe Stephan can look us all in the eye and say with a straight face, that Madsen, Varane, Burrell, Saito, Dembele were all in great shape for Norwich after playing the last 2 games and with 2 days off. Whether you rate Hayden or Varane, Hayden having not played all week is going to perform better than Varane who’s played twice already that week. | | | |
| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 22:24 - Dec 1 with 1002 views | Lblock |
| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 11:04 - Dec 1 by daveB |
On the team selection I'd have liked to see a few more changes as well, would have started Norrington Davies, Hayden in for Varane and maybe Kone for Saito but I followed the game on social media at the weekend as I was on a day out with the kids.
The reaction to the team was almost universally positive, same again lads, glad he's learnt and not made changes again and those same accounts were slaughtering the manager 2 hours later for not chaging the team.
Yes there was a bit of fatigue in the team but that 11 he picked really should have been good enough to put up a far better fight than they did.
it's a QPR mindset thing for me, we've seen it for years we win a few then they just drop their levels a bit and throw in performances like this. The manager is usually the one blamed for it but I just think there is a mindset at the club that isn't one to be winners but to just do enough and that rears it's head every season. |
That old chestnut word….. standards.
Now I know he’s has his day but could you see old King Warnock having stood for some of the displays the club have served up this last decade?
Not only did he demand nothing less than 100%, the squad bought in and demanded nothing less than 100% from each other. Warnock’s excuse playbook was always the refs, decisions going against us or simply (on very rare occasions) come up against better squads. I don’t recall soos about playing schedules, injuries etc
Standards.
“If there wasn’t something wrong with [player x] he wouldn’t be here”
“Three game weeks”
“We always kick start barren strikers”
“Charity Park Rangers”
“It’s what we do”
Standards. |  |
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| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 22:43 - Dec 1 with 968 views | daveB |
| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 21:21 - Dec 1 by JamesB1979 |
If they are all fit, then I agree that changes make little difference. But that’s my point. I don’t believe Stephan can look us all in the eye and say with a straight face, that Madsen, Varane, Burrell, Saito, Dembele were all in great shape for Norwich after playing the last 2 games and with 2 days off. Whether you rate Hayden or Varane, Hayden having not played all week is going to perform better than Varane who’s played twice already that week. |
trouble is he has changed it before in these 3 game weeks, brought in fresh players and we lost the 3rd game anyway | | | |
| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 23:00 - Dec 1 with 938 views | JamesB1979 |
| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 22:43 - Dec 1 by daveB |
trouble is he has changed it before in these 3 game weeks, brought in fresh players and we lost the 3rd game anyway |
Yes but I don’t think he changed it enough those times either. And I’m talking about the 6 in front of the defence. Again because the options are all of a very similar standard. | | | |
| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 23:21 - Dec 1 with 901 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 22:43 - Dec 1 by daveB |
trouble is he has changed it before in these 3 game weeks, brought in fresh players and we lost the 3rd game anyway |
I think that a few things can be true here at the same time, Dave:
1) That Stéphan, having only made two outfield subs on Wednesday, might regret not changing the team more for Saturday
2) That the players are not fit enough, and
3) That the players tired so early on again (surely before physical fatigue should become an issue) that there might be a mentality issue within the team, squad, management and/or club.
I think all of the above could and maybe should be open to questioning. |  |
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| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 23:36 - Dec 1 with 881 views | daveB |
| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 23:21 - Dec 1 by BrianMcCarthy |
I think that a few things can be true here at the same time, Dave:
1) That Stéphan, having only made two outfield subs on Wednesday, might regret not changing the team more for Saturday
2) That the players are not fit enough, and
3) That the players tired so early on again (surely before physical fatigue should become an issue) that there might be a mentality issue within the team, squad, management and/or club.
I think all of the above could and maybe should be open to questioning. |
completley agree, I'm just not buying into it's as simple as this is all on the manager. Of course he could have done better and his subs were bizarre but for the fitness thing we lost the game in the first 35 mins so I'm not sure it can be used as an excuse really | | | |
| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 00:01 - Dec 2 with 856 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 23:36 - Dec 1 by daveB |
completley agree, I'm just not buying into it's as simple as this is all on the manager. Of course he could have done better and his subs were bizarre but for the fitness thing we lost the game in the first 35 mins so I'm not sure it can be used as an excuse really |
Thanks Dave,
I'm undecided as well, just keeping all avenues open.
I did think we were fatigued pretty much from the off, though - poor at doubling up, poor at tracking back, slow to the ball, slow on the ball, etc.
So I do think fitness has to be questioned, at least.
What I can't decide is how much of that was physical - muscular, aerobic etc- and how much was mental - lack of focus, lack of aggression, lack of desire. | |
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| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 06:59 - Dec 2 with 743 views | JamesB1979 |
| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 00:01 - Dec 2 by BrianMcCarthy |
Thanks Dave,
I'm undecided as well, just keeping all avenues open.
I did think we were fatigued pretty much from the off, though - poor at doubling up, poor at tracking back, slow to the ball, slow on the ball, etc.
So I do think fitness has to be questioned, at least.
What I can't decide is how much of that was physical - muscular, aerobic etc- and how much was mental - lack of focus, lack of aggression, lack of desire. |
Exactly. It’s not that they’re unfit. That was an issue early doors this season. It’s a fatigue issue. If you’re fatigued you are off it from minute 1. It only has to be a few percent at this level in my view. | | | |
| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 07:22 - Dec 2 with 719 views | stevec |
Look, the consensus on here, every season, is ‘I’ll be happy with 16th place’.
As such, why on earth does anyone expect the players and management to think any different?
If you have a losers mentality, then all around you feed off it. Until we expect more and demand more, it’ll just keep happening. |  | | |
| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 07:50 - Dec 2 with 675 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
A big part of why we lost was our masterplan of surrendering possession to teams. Didn't we have 28% possession in that first half? Fine when it works, but against a team low on confidence who hadn't won for 13 matches FFS, you want to start on the front foot.
Then you have the Nardi issue. I thought he was great last season but since teams have targeted his reluctance to come off his line, he is a liability. Every corner felt like a potential goal in the first half.
Add to that the team selection. Yes, Sam Field did a decent job on the Wednesday but we had an actual left-back, one of our best players this season, sitting on the bench while Sam gave a first-half display that his online detractors will hang in the Louvre.
Then there's the midfield. Varane, if he's the player the club think he is, should be dominating games like that. If they can get £5m for him, then they should count their blessings. I like Madsen but if he's the enforcer in a two-man midfield then there's a problem. Lose the midfield like we did and you usually lose the game.
The game was lost before half-time. Yes, there's always the prospect of a comeback but putting Frey on instead of Kone felt a bit like McClaren taking Pavel off that time - obviously not his final act as manager, but a completely bizarre decision that everyone in the away end knew was the wrong one. And that's before we come to Kolli, who looked decent against Hull, not even being in the squad.
I haven't even mentioned fitness yet because there was so much wrong on Saturday that I don't think it was the main issue. The positive is we now have two home games and the opportunity to put this behind us. However, my feeling on Stephan is that he is making it harder than it should be. Start like that against a team who are vulnerable like Norwich were and you get what you deserve. [Post edited 2 Dec 7:53]
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| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 09:12 - Dec 2 with 629 views | TheChef |
| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 22:24 - Dec 1 by Lblock |
That old chestnut word….. standards.
Now I know he’s has his day but could you see old King Warnock having stood for some of the displays the club have served up this last decade?
Not only did he demand nothing less than 100%, the squad bought in and demanded nothing less than 100% from each other. Warnock’s excuse playbook was always the refs, decisions going against us or simply (on very rare occasions) come up against better squads. I don’t recall soos about playing schedules, injuries etc
Standards.
“If there wasn’t something wrong with [player x] he wouldn’t be here”
“Three game weeks”
“We always kick start barren strikers”
“Charity Park Rangers”
“It’s what we do”
Standards. |
QPR. | |
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| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 09:24 - Dec 2 with 603 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 06:59 - Dec 2 by JamesB1979 |
Exactly. It’s not that they’re unfit. That was an issue early doors this season. It’s a fatigue issue. If you’re fatigued you are off it from minute 1. It only has to be a few percent at this level in my view. |
No, I think they may be unfit.
It's been a problem for four months now. | |
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| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 10:04 - Dec 2 with 537 views | OldPedro |
| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 09:24 - Dec 2 by BrianMcCarthy |
No, I think they may be unfit.
It's been a problem for four months now. |
I do think this is an issue - it's noticeable that players like Kone and Saito, who joined us after a preseason elsewhere, looked much fitter when they first joined than they do now. |  |
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| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 11:12 - Dec 2 with 457 views | derbyhoop |
| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 00:01 - Dec 2 by BrianMcCarthy |
Thanks Dave,
I'm undecided as well, just keeping all avenues open.
I did think we were fatigued pretty much from the off, though - poor at doubling up, poor at tracking back, slow to the ball, slow on the ball, etc.
So I do think fitness has to be questioned, at least.
What I can't decide is how much of that was physical - muscular, aerobic etc- and how much was mental - lack of focus, lack of aggression, lack of desire. |
I do think that we fans have underestimated the effect of the travelling. Back to LR in the early hours of Thursday after a 400 mile round trip. Back up to Norfolk for another 125. It takes it out of most of us, and we're not expected to perform at high level for 90+ minutes.
With hindsight; its easy to say JS should have made changes. |  |
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| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 16:25 - Dec 4 with 178 views | R_from_afar |
| That Swindon Town match report again – Report on 07:22 - Dec 2 by stevec |
Look, the consensus on here, every season, is ‘I’ll be happy with 16th place’.
As such, why on earth does anyone expect the players and management to think any different?
If you have a losers mentality, then all around you feed off it. Until we expect more and demand more, it’ll just keep happening. |
Well, this season at least, what you say about 16th place was not true, based on the LFW poll below.
The votes were cast surprisingly evenly for every option, with no option getting less than 13.3% or more than 15.6%.
That doesn't make me any less frustrated with the team/club, though. We still seem to be overcomplicating things, we continue to struggle to do the basics consistently and let's be honest, we haven't had a decent midfield since Scowongoman, unless I am mistaken.
Just when you think we're going places, we disintegrate. Then, when you have grudgingly accepted that we're rubbish, we splutter into life as if someone has finally pulled the choke out. It's so confusing and unsettling.
Capricious Park Rangers, sigh  .
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