| Stephan on 23:27 - Feb 25 with 1142 views | SW_Ranger |
So out of interest, who is your choice for our next manager SE?
Not a contentious challenge, I am genuinely interested to hear. |  | |  |
| Stephan on 07:51 - Feb 26 with 882 views | Hunterhoop |
| Stephan on 14:12 - Feb 25 by Ned_Kennedys |
So you believe our injury situation overall was worse last season than this season? Your memory is either going or you’re deliberately distorting the reality of what happened last season. |
Straw man alert!!
I never said injuries were worse last season. Never said anything of the like. You began this by saying you can’t compare to last season because we have loads of injuries this season and would have been relegated with this amount of injuries last season. I was merely pointing out that we had loads of injuries last season too, as commented on by the Chairman in the accounts. So, I think you point is null and void. It is perfectly reasonable to compare. The bit that makes a comparison harder, is the squad last season didn’t have Kone and Burrell up top. It didn’t have all the signings made this season. And the players who left at the end of last season weren’t a big loss. [Post edited 26 Feb 9:22]
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| Stephan on 08:32 - Feb 26 with 841 views | Stocktake |
It could be said the changing manager hasn't moved the dial. But if we hadn't made a couple of the recent changes we'd have likely been relegated. Beale was the last manager to get consistent results and that obviously didn't end well. I think JS deserves credit for improving the home form which had been dire for years. |  | | |
| Stephan on 09:13 - Feb 26 with 746 views | wombat |
| Stephan on 08:32 - Feb 26 by Stocktake |
It could be said the changing manager hasn't moved the dial. But if we hadn't made a couple of the recent changes we'd have likely been relegated. Beale was the last manager to get consistent results and that obviously didn't end well. I think JS deserves credit for improving the home form which had been dire for years. |
but on the flipside our away football is truelly awful to watch not just the batterings at coventry , southampton etc its just awful to watch , maybe if the club started selling tickets for the second half when we might actually get into the home teams box and who knows have a shot on goal it would be acceptable . our previous coach did that and it also wasnt great to watch but we rarly got battered which seems to be the norm this season , soon as we conceed the second goal its well lets get this over with asap as its pretty unlikley we are coming back from it . |  |
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| Stephan on 10:47 - Feb 26 with 655 views | Stocktake |
| Stephan on 09:13 - Feb 26 by wombat |
but on the flipside our away football is truelly awful to watch not just the batterings at coventry , southampton etc its just awful to watch , maybe if the club started selling tickets for the second half when we might actually get into the home teams box and who knows have a shot on goal it would be acceptable . our previous coach did that and it also wasnt great to watch but we rarly got battered which seems to be the norm this season , soon as we conceed the second goal its well lets get this over with asap as its pretty unlikley we are coming back from it . |
Yeah, true. Like most coaches (for some reason) he seems to have become more and more rigid and reluctant to change things up. Although I had the feeling we'd get a few tonkings and there have been games where we've been way too open in the first half and games been over at half time. | | | |
| Stephan on 11:14 - Feb 26 with 600 views | JamesB1979 |
| Stephan on 09:13 - Feb 26 by wombat |
but on the flipside our away football is truelly awful to watch not just the batterings at coventry , southampton etc its just awful to watch , maybe if the club started selling tickets for the second half when we might actually get into the home teams box and who knows have a shot on goal it would be acceptable . our previous coach did that and it also wasnt great to watch but we rarly got battered which seems to be the norm this season , soon as we conceed the second goal its well lets get this over with asap as its pretty unlikley we are coming back from it . |
Agree. Away form has been terrible since…Swansea…though I thought we were lucky there. I just don’t think we have a plan or rather it’s the same plan that doesn’t work. My other concern is that our home form is also declining. And the Madsen injury is a killer to any hope of a good end to the season….and I’m not even talking playoffs! | | | |
| Stephan on 11:37 - Feb 26 with 533 views | wombat |
| Stephan on 11:14 - Feb 26 by JamesB1979 |
Agree. Away form has been terrible since…Swansea…though I thought we were lucky there. I just don’t think we have a plan or rather it’s the same plan that doesn’t work. My other concern is that our home form is also declining. And the Madsen injury is a killer to any hope of a good end to the season….and I’m not even talking playoffs! |
I could handle the tonkings if and its a bloody big if that we was getting caught on the counter attack and actually being adventourous away from home , but the constant sitting back and when they are actually fit , our fav players are having a go at the oppostion it would be easier to stomach, we have the ground braking leaving players up at corners recently , nevre to be seen since WHY ? we have a variety of keepers who wont come for crosses , it makes defending the box easier as less chance of an overload , gets rid of zonal marking as well . its one player per man to pick up. we was told when he arrived he was an astute coash , famous for bringing various players through to be sold for profit which is the plan forwards apart from madson whos actually improved this season ?
we was told the previous coach didnt handle three game weeks in the way the club wanted , is there much diff this season
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| Stephan on 11:43 - Feb 26 with 517 views | kensalriser |
| Stephan on 23:11 - Feb 25 by PunteR |
Ok, yes, 2nd highest on wages. Warnock still bought smart though. |
He did a terrific job, no more so in the harnessing of Taarabt’s talent. But let’s not pretend he didn’t have access to resources we could only dream of now. We had squad players who’d be starting every game for the current side. |  |
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| Stephan on 11:53 - Feb 26 with 489 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Stephan on 07:51 - Feb 26 by Hunterhoop |
Straw man alert!!
I never said injuries were worse last season. Never said anything of the like. You began this by saying you can’t compare to last season because we have loads of injuries this season and would have been relegated with this amount of injuries last season. I was merely pointing out that we had loads of injuries last season too, as commented on by the Chairman in the accounts. So, I think you point is null and void. It is perfectly reasonable to compare. The bit that makes a comparison harder, is the squad last season didn’t have Kone and Burrell up top. It didn’t have all the signings made this season. And the players who left at the end of last season weren’t a big loss. [Post edited 26 Feb 9:22]
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Straw man 🤣
You obviously don’t like people disagreeing with your statements (opinions) but glad you agree with me about the injuries this season 👍 |  | | |
| Stephan on 12:57 - Feb 26 with 408 views | JamesB1979 |
| Stephan on 11:37 - Feb 26 by wombat |
I could handle the tonkings if and its a bloody big if that we was getting caught on the counter attack and actually being adventourous away from home , but the constant sitting back and when they are actually fit , our fav players are having a go at the oppostion it would be easier to stomach, we have the ground braking leaving players up at corners recently , nevre to be seen since WHY ? we have a variety of keepers who wont come for crosses , it makes defending the box easier as less chance of an overload , gets rid of zonal marking as well . its one player per man to pick up. we was told when he arrived he was an astute coash , famous for bringing various players through to be sold for profit which is the plan forwards apart from madson whos actually improved this season ?
we was told the previous coach didnt handle three game weeks in the way the club wanted , is there much diff this season
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Yeah agree. Were agreeing far too much these days 😂
In the 0-0s, I didn’t think we were “that” solid and this was against Oxford and Charlton. 2 very poor sides. They both had good chances to win it. Our creativity was non existent. And then in the Southampton game, we were open and created nothing.
I don’t think we can “have a go” against Southampton. But we certainly can against Oxford and Charlton. Corners are also a major issue but to be fair, they weren’t that great under Marti. I think the keeper should maybe just charge out and punch the thing as far as he can. | | | |
| Stephan on 13:04 - Feb 26 with 381 views | Hunterhoop |
| Stephan on 11:53 - Feb 26 by Ned_Kennedys |
Straw man 🤣
You obviously don’t like people disagreeing with your statements (opinions) but glad you agree with me about the injuries this season 👍 |
But, I don’t agree with you. You think there weren’t injuries last season and that the seasons are incomparable. I disagree with you. I think you are wrong. There were severe injuries last season season. Our Chairman references it in the account. Therefore I think the seasons are comparable. The only real variance for comparison’s sake is that this squad is better and has had more money spent on it so we should finish higher.
Please could you stop putting inaccurate words in my mouth.
I don’t have a problem with people holding different opinions, but I think it’s deliberately disingenuous to say we didn’t have injury issues last season. | | | |
| Stephan on 13:16 - Feb 26 with 350 views | Pindarus |
Posters on here in the close season were urging the Management to sign Saito, Hayden and Edwards permanently. The Management complied.
That's worked out well hasn't it?
We are a small club with an old small ground and no money and no massive spending owners. Lets get a grip on reality. | | | |
| Stephan on 14:34 - Feb 26 with 251 views | wombat |
| Stephan on 12:57 - Feb 26 by JamesB1979 |
Yeah agree. Were agreeing far too much these days 😂
In the 0-0s, I didn’t think we were “that” solid and this was against Oxford and Charlton. 2 very poor sides. They both had good chances to win it. Our creativity was non existent. And then in the Southampton game, we were open and created nothing.
I don’t think we can “have a go” against Southampton. But we certainly can against Oxford and Charlton. Corners are also a major issue but to be fair, they weren’t that great under Marti. I think the keeper should maybe just charge out and punch the thing as far as he can. |
totally agree pick and choose the games u think hang on we can beat this lot ,
thing is with the two in the middle we are oeopn most games , which makes the reason for field to go on loan even more baffling , if u want somebody to protect the back fourt hes the one u pick . southampton had as usual the extra man in midfiled and played a lot of one touch passes to get through us , at will. so does the coach actually watch the oppostion and go hang on lets change for this one game , start with kone up front extra man in the middle and then if that works hang on lets try a. few shots on goal just to mix things up give the fans something to cheer about . but no since burrell has been injured its pretty much same as every game , the kolli experiment has been tried and found sadly wanting as expected , so thats bennie up front with kollie sat im guessing | |
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| Stephan on 15:02 - Feb 26 with 225 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Stephan on 13:16 - Feb 26 by Pindarus |
Posters on here in the close season were urging the Management to sign Saito, Hayden and Edwards permanently. The Management complied.
That's worked out well hasn't it?
We are a small club with an old small ground and no money and no massive spending owners. Lets get a grip on reality. |
It's costing them about a quarter of a billion pounds to operate the club per decade and they have consistently spent as much as they possibly can without the EFL being able to deduct points. At times they've been / will be perilously close to that limit too.
If that's how we operate WITHOUT massive spending owners I dread to even think what it would be like if we did have them. [Post edited 26 Feb 15:06]
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| Stephan on 15:19 - Feb 26 with 184 views | R_from_afar |
| Stephan on 08:04 - Feb 25 by stainrods_elbow |
That looks logical and plausible, Northern (and I've noticed you like to repeat it), but it could use a lot more critical unpacking, I would suggest.
First, it assumes managers are independent variables, whom one can somehow analytically separate and say, therefore, they're the problem or they're not the problem. But they're not - they're part of a systemic structure (recruitment, budgets, ownership etc.). Different managers, moreover, may all fail for different reasons. That doesn’t prove the manager role is irrelevant, or there are no differences between good ones and bad ones — just that the environment may be overpowering them, or that they're not good enough at their job, or both.
Second, our managers may be badly chosen for different reasons - or (which would be very QPR) the same reasons. Neither Cifuentes, Beale, Ainsworth, nor Stephan had any experience of coaching in the Champ, for instance. Does that give anyone at the club even a spoonful of food for thought?
Third, correlation is not causation. If the flawed pattern of hiring is the same, the club isn't really testing whether managers matter as much as blooding them within the same broken structure. It's 'rinse and repeat' - but not in a good way.
Fourth (and this is, of course, a wider problem in football), there is the question of time. If, for example, our management model is tethered to youth development cycles, a good manager needs time so that his methods can be properly evaluated. In this case, I would suggest, we still need to see evidence as quickly as possible that the manager is helping players to improve, telling it as it is, at least trying to play decent football, and enhancing the culture of the club, none of which I see with JS.
Fifth, the myth of monocausality (i.e. one factor is or isn't the problem). I think there are a lot of things wrong with QPR over a long period - disinvolved/inexpert owners, a culture of mediocrity, (very) mixed recruitment, financial problems, medical/fitness issues, and/or tactical failings. It might not be 'either-or' as much as 'both-and' - the club hasn't been good enough, and neither are our managers.
Clearly, as well, many of these factors may overlap.
In the end, what this means is, I think, our problems could indeed be (and almost certainly are) systemic, but this does not mean that the choice of manager is irrelevant. A good coach, given time and resources, could still succeed, or at least do better, than what we've been seeing in recent years. Even if that looks a forlorn hope this morning. [Post edited 25 Feb 8:06]
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"Neither Cifuentes, Beale, Ainsworth, nor Stephan had any experience of coaching in the Champ, for instance".
I don't want him back and I know WWFC got relegated, but for the record, Ainsworth did manage Wycombe for a season in the Championship  .
As for QPR, while I don't think we should accept or be content with mediocrity, given the P&S rules, it is going to take some doing to get promoted from this division. We just don't have the strength in depth and this is compounded by a serious and ongoing lack of fitness.
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| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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