| Cargiant site on 00:19 - Apr 14 with 3464 views | Hooparoo |
Can we not go up another level at LR? Was there in December and loved the atmosphere but not the cramped seats. Met a lot of clever architects during my career. Surely we can find a solution for the current site? [Post edited 14 Apr 0:20]
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| Cargiant site on 07:19 - Apr 14 with 3196 views | GaryBannister86 |
Although many will roll their eyes at the classic LFW glossary coming into this thread, it is probably the most crucial and emotional QPR topic there is.
We are in an odd state at the moment as in the last decade we've been offered only tiny crumbs of potential glory and plenty of moments stressing about relegation. As such, with the football generally pretty poor, we've clung to our lovely old ground as some sort of comfort blanket. Poking fun at everyone who has moved (and usually sailed past us) with their soulless bowls and legoland stadia. "Real experience" - that's us.
Fact is, though, it's now another ten years since we claimed to be moving. Even if we were to get this site, knowing QPR, it would be another ten years before the thing is built.
As much as I / you / we all love Loftus Road, no-one can deny the facilities are abysmal and the place crumbles more every year, along with the capacity reducing every year too.
Imagine that in ten years? How can we seriously not be looking at this? My father's ashes are (surreptitiously) in the ground. I have a huge family connection to the place. But I want my son to be following a successful QPR when I am long gone, and if we don't wake up about the ground at some point very soon, that would appear to be a slim possibility. |  | | |
| Cargiant site on 08:23 - Apr 14 with 3045 views | hubble |
I don't think £100 million is a crazy price for nearly 50 acres of land in West London. Right next to the interchange of HS2 and the Elizabeth Line (and the Grand Union canal), with the potential to build 1000s of flats, shops, offices and other amenities, once developed it will be worth 20x that.
It would be a good site for a new ground for us and it's actually closer to our original home, but I don't see it happening. |  |
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| Cargiant site on 08:26 - Apr 14 with 3040 views | SpongeParr |
Think for the purpose of this thread we can do away with 'surely we can do this that and the other to LR' comments.
Would we need all of the land? So price could be less. I'd be concerned if the owners weren't already in discussions. |  | | |
| Cargiant site on 08:35 - Apr 14 with 3016 views | Hayesender |
Purley hypothetically, but how much roughly is the land Loftus road is on worth? |  |
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| Cargiant site on 08:50 - Apr 14 with 2978 views | nadera78 |
| Cargiant site on 08:23 - Apr 14 by hubble |
I don't think £100 million is a crazy price for nearly 50 acres of land in West London. Right next to the interchange of HS2 and the Elizabeth Line (and the Grand Union canal), with the potential to build 1000s of flats, shops, offices and other amenities, once developed it will be worth 20x that.
It would be a good site for a new ground for us and it's actually closer to our original home, but I don't see it happening. |
I was going to say something similar re the price tag. If you look at the flats going up behind White City tube station, that piece of land is about 12 acres (IIRC) and was sold by M&S for a little over £100m about 15 years ago. Obviously, the Car Giant land isn't right next to Westfield and a Central line station etc, but it's a hell of a lot bigger and there will - eventually - be HS2 and Elizabeth Line next door. | | | |
| Cargiant site on 09:30 - Apr 14 with 2871 views | essextaxiboy |
we wouldnt need 50 acres , could sub let 20% to retail / hospitality with a view of the transport links coming . Ruben could develop LR and make some cash from that , They must at least have a look at this surely |  | | |
| Cargiant site on 09:31 - Apr 14 with 2869 views | TK1 |
Some things to note:
When we routinely ask "why does Ruben Gnanalingam keep pouring money in every month", this is why. It's always been why. It's why Jamie Ruben used to be on the board, but he got tired waiting for Old Oak to be built and Car Giant to eat humble pie so he went to Newcastle. Would not be surprised if his family weigh back in.
Building a stadium at Old Oak has always been the goal. They already built 'Oaklands Rise': seven blocks of flats just by it in preparation. It's about the only thing around there, as anyone who knows the area can tell you (which doesn't seem to be many on this thread hoping to swap the leafy cultural luxruries of Shepherds Bush for the pub and grub industrial wasteland of my old home in Willesden Junction).
So when people say, 'must be worth a look', the club have been having more than a look for about 13 years.
The HS2 Old Oak interchange and station has been delayed constantly by over a decade. It's now due to open "in the early 2030s". But I wouldn't set your watch by that. Same for the Elizabeth Line link.
Which means, my guess is that QPR will build a stadium there anyway. And everyone can enjoy their legroom before queuing to get into Willesden Junction afterwards. You'll be drinking halfway down Harrow Road or in Harlesden before/after. It'll be like going to/from The London Stadium, but no Westfield. Or Olympic Park.
I'm resigned to it happening, but also strongly against it. It'll be the end of QPR as we know it. If we really want to emulate Brentford, regenerate and rebuild White City Estate and put it in there. I suspect we'll instead build a Hill Dickinson-style dodo at Old Oak.
Brentford were promoted to the PL at Griffin Park, Bournemouth at Dean Court. Next season, Hillsborough, The K Power and whatever they call Reading's ground will be L1 stadiums.
It's about how you are run and who is doing the running. Not about weekday function rooms. Anyone believing we'll get 10k more at Willesden Junction just because we have that many seats is I fear badly mistaken. | | | |
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| Cargiant site on 09:41 - Apr 14 with 2832 views | GaryBannister86 |
| Cargiant site on 09:31 - Apr 14 by TK1 |
Some things to note:
When we routinely ask "why does Ruben Gnanalingam keep pouring money in every month", this is why. It's always been why. It's why Jamie Ruben used to be on the board, but he got tired waiting for Old Oak to be built and Car Giant to eat humble pie so he went to Newcastle. Would not be surprised if his family weigh back in.
Building a stadium at Old Oak has always been the goal. They already built 'Oaklands Rise': seven blocks of flats just by it in preparation. It's about the only thing around there, as anyone who knows the area can tell you (which doesn't seem to be many on this thread hoping to swap the leafy cultural luxruries of Shepherds Bush for the pub and grub industrial wasteland of my old home in Willesden Junction).
So when people say, 'must be worth a look', the club have been having more than a look for about 13 years.
The HS2 Old Oak interchange and station has been delayed constantly by over a decade. It's now due to open "in the early 2030s". But I wouldn't set your watch by that. Same for the Elizabeth Line link.
Which means, my guess is that QPR will build a stadium there anyway. And everyone can enjoy their legroom before queuing to get into Willesden Junction afterwards. You'll be drinking halfway down Harrow Road or in Harlesden before/after. It'll be like going to/from The London Stadium, but no Westfield. Or Olympic Park.
I'm resigned to it happening, but also strongly against it. It'll be the end of QPR as we know it. If we really want to emulate Brentford, regenerate and rebuild White City Estate and put it in there. I suspect we'll instead build a Hill Dickinson-style dodo at Old Oak.
Brentford were promoted to the PL at Griffin Park, Bournemouth at Dean Court. Next season, Hillsborough, The K Power and whatever they call Reading's ground will be L1 stadiums.
It's about how you are run and who is doing the running. Not about weekday function rooms. Anyone believing we'll get 10k more at Willesden Junction just because we have that many seats is I fear badly mistaken. |
Extremely pertinent points. I get you totally. Going to West Ham in January made me see the many potential pitfalls.
I would much rather we stayed at LR or in White City.
But at the same time, we have to do something - this situation cannot deteriorate for another 10 years of inertia, surely? Couldn't we - shock, horror - do a move and actually get it right? | | | |
| Cargiant site on 09:55 - Apr 14 with 2782 views | TheChef |
| Cargiant site on 09:41 - Apr 14 by GaryBannister86 |
Extremely pertinent points. I get you totally. Going to West Ham in January made me see the many potential pitfalls.
I would much rather we stayed at LR or in White City.
But at the same time, we have to do something - this situation cannot deteriorate for another 10 years of inertia, surely? Couldn't we - shock, horror - do a move and actually get it right? |
I think it's more likely in the next ten years we accidentally get promoted to the Prem before we ever move ground.
And if that happens we can only hope the money gets used wisely this time... |  |
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| Cargiant site on 09:57 - Apr 14 with 2780 views | TK1 |
| Cargiant site on 09:41 - Apr 14 by GaryBannister86 |
Extremely pertinent points. I get you totally. Going to West Ham in January made me see the many potential pitfalls.
I would much rather we stayed at LR or in White City.
But at the same time, we have to do something - this situation cannot deteriorate for another 10 years of inertia, surely? Couldn't we - shock, horror - do a move and actually get it right? |
On point a) I bet it happens or at least they go all in trying make it so.
On point b) nothing this board has done in the past 14 years gives me particular confidence they can get it right. Let's see! | | | |
| Cargiant site on 10:00 - Apr 14 with 2765 views | nadera78 |
The other point is, would you trust the owners to do it in a way we'd like? We'd probably end up with some kind of ugly spaceship monstrosity that looks nothing like a football ground in the way we (and most football fans) appreciate them.
Edited to add: building a new stadium to replace one with100+ years history attached to it is incredibly difficult. Everton's new home has been universally praised and yet their fans' opinions are still very mixed on it. [Post edited 14 Apr 10:11]
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| Cargiant site on 10:03 - Apr 14 with 2754 views | DWQPR |
| Cargiant site on 09:31 - Apr 14 by TK1 |
Some things to note:
When we routinely ask "why does Ruben Gnanalingam keep pouring money in every month", this is why. It's always been why. It's why Jamie Ruben used to be on the board, but he got tired waiting for Old Oak to be built and Car Giant to eat humble pie so he went to Newcastle. Would not be surprised if his family weigh back in.
Building a stadium at Old Oak has always been the goal. They already built 'Oaklands Rise': seven blocks of flats just by it in preparation. It's about the only thing around there, as anyone who knows the area can tell you (which doesn't seem to be many on this thread hoping to swap the leafy cultural luxruries of Shepherds Bush for the pub and grub industrial wasteland of my old home in Willesden Junction).
So when people say, 'must be worth a look', the club have been having more than a look for about 13 years.
The HS2 Old Oak interchange and station has been delayed constantly by over a decade. It's now due to open "in the early 2030s". But I wouldn't set your watch by that. Same for the Elizabeth Line link.
Which means, my guess is that QPR will build a stadium there anyway. And everyone can enjoy their legroom before queuing to get into Willesden Junction afterwards. You'll be drinking halfway down Harrow Road or in Harlesden before/after. It'll be like going to/from The London Stadium, but no Westfield. Or Olympic Park.
I'm resigned to it happening, but also strongly against it. It'll be the end of QPR as we know it. If we really want to emulate Brentford, regenerate and rebuild White City Estate and put it in there. I suspect we'll instead build a Hill Dickinson-style dodo at Old Oak.
Brentford were promoted to the PL at Griffin Park, Bournemouth at Dean Court. Next season, Hillsborough, The K Power and whatever they call Reading's ground will be L1 stadiums.
It's about how you are run and who is doing the running. Not about weekday function rooms. Anyone believing we'll get 10k more at Willesden Junction just because we have that many seats is I fear badly mistaken. |
Firstly Brentford got promoted once they got to Legoland. I’ve never been to that ground but I understand that although they don’t have executive boxes they have plenty of corporate which they can utilise on non-match days. I think that being able to utilise different areas of a football ground is much underrated on the amount of additional revenue it can bring to a club. It also heightens the profile as well.
With regards to OOC and whether we could fill an additional 10,000 seats, well firstly it is encouraging that we are all but selling out LR each and every week this season and much of last season with a team that has been average at best based on league standings. If you look at the overall plans for OOC in terms of the residential numbers then I would not be surprised if we could not get a few thousand extra supporters from ‘new locals’. The site is very convenient for transport links, not only the existing ones but also the Lizzie line and eventually HS2. The plot at Car Giant would also be big enough to incorporate a hell of a lot of retail and yes drinking establishments, which sadly although won’t be your Crown or White Horse etc will be frequented and no doubt inside a stadium there would be plenty of room for our equivalent of what Spuds have done at their place. No more warm tins of Carlsberg and I suspect we would see the last of Pukka Pies.
Rangers I feel are currently benefiting from the fact that getting tickets at our dear and not so dear neighbours is difficult and not cheap and if you want to take a family to see one of them lot then a visit to your mortgage broker would be required first. Hell, we sell season tickets for the cost of one ticket at North Battersea!
It is time to move or upgrade. As LR gets older it costs more to maintain. It’s a lovely old ground and I have over half a century of memories that I will always cherish and take to my grave one day. But if the Car Giant site can be purchased then why not a new LR. Built just like the old but a larger capacity and yes, a bit more leg room. Done right we would soon make it home. | |
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| Cargiant site on 10:36 - Apr 14 with 2683 views | Marshy67 |
| Cargiant site on 18:02 - Apr 13 by queensparker |
Bournemouth stadium is tiny and they seem to do all right
I agree, I love Loftus Road and the whole experience and I’d rather we made the most of it than chased a soulless retail park dream in a shitty part of west London |
Ditto Brentford. | | | |
| Cargiant site on 10:36 - Apr 14 with 2680 views | BAWHoops |
Every time I drive past the CarGiant building on the way to the ground it smacks me in the face how perfect it could be.
It's a stadium sized building on our doorstep.
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| Cargiant site on 11:09 - Apr 14 with 2565 views | Hoopsie |
1. We love Loftus Road, quaint old ground full of memories
2. We need to move to a bigger site within west London and cargiant site may well be perfect
Why not, to get the best of both worlds, dismantle Loftus Road every nut, bolt and screw and reassemble it on our newly acquired car giant site
Then, if we run out of leg room and needed to expand our capacity, we can simply use the old trick - dig down |  |
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| Cargiant site on 11:32 - Apr 14 with 2508 views | TK1 |
| Cargiant site on 10:03 - Apr 14 by DWQPR |
Firstly Brentford got promoted once they got to Legoland. I’ve never been to that ground but I understand that although they don’t have executive boxes they have plenty of corporate which they can utilise on non-match days. I think that being able to utilise different areas of a football ground is much underrated on the amount of additional revenue it can bring to a club. It also heightens the profile as well.
With regards to OOC and whether we could fill an additional 10,000 seats, well firstly it is encouraging that we are all but selling out LR each and every week this season and much of last season with a team that has been average at best based on league standings. If you look at the overall plans for OOC in terms of the residential numbers then I would not be surprised if we could not get a few thousand extra supporters from ‘new locals’. The site is very convenient for transport links, not only the existing ones but also the Lizzie line and eventually HS2. The plot at Car Giant would also be big enough to incorporate a hell of a lot of retail and yes drinking establishments, which sadly although won’t be your Crown or White Horse etc will be frequented and no doubt inside a stadium there would be plenty of room for our equivalent of what Spuds have done at their place. No more warm tins of Carlsberg and I suspect we would see the last of Pukka Pies.
Rangers I feel are currently benefiting from the fact that getting tickets at our dear and not so dear neighbours is difficult and not cheap and if you want to take a family to see one of them lot then a visit to your mortgage broker would be required first. Hell, we sell season tickets for the cost of one ticket at North Battersea!
It is time to move or upgrade. As LR gets older it costs more to maintain. It’s a lovely old ground and I have over half a century of memories that I will always cherish and take to my grave one day. But if the Car Giant site can be purchased then why not a new LR. Built just like the old but a larger capacity and yes, a bit more leg room. Done right we would soon make it home. |
"Firstly Brentford got promoted once they got to Legoland.”
It was the Covid season, so not sure they felt much benefit from the cardboard cutouts.
"If you look at the overall plans for OOC in terms of the residential numbers then I would not be surprised if we could not get a few thousand extra supporters from ‘new locals’.”
I have looked at length. I know the area inside out. QPR is currently situated in one of the most densely populated areas of London for a football ground. It is built into one of England’s historically largest estates. Nobody is moving to OOC to be near a football ground. The residential numbers will be far smaller than around W12. Just go! Have a look.
"The site is very convenient for transport links, not only the existing ones but also the Lizzie line and eventually HS2.”
Not being facetious, but have you ever been to Willesden Junction? It absolutely is not convenient. Certainly substantially less than Shepherds Bush and White City. Lizzy line extension is not open there yet and HS2 a long, long way away.
"The plot at Car Giant would also be big enough to incorporate a hell of a lot of retail and yes drinking establishments.”
There’s absolutely no proof that would be the case. There’s nothing round there to support that kind of explosion of establishments that would be open when the ground is closed, which would be most of the time. It’ll be bars on the concourse like at West Ham or Millwall, which might be good enough for some.
Look, you’ll get your wish and I’m sure it will happen. It’s not for me though and I’ll probably pack the season ticket in. Pick and choose instead. There’ll be room.
Just remember that the same CEO who said he didn’t think it worth polling fans about the play-off places, but then couldn’t tell us how the club voted because mumble mumble “confidentiality”, doesn’t care what we think anyway.
It’ll be decided by absentee owners, transient directors on career ladders, and property developers. Then when built you can all enjoy your nice new Spoons in the carpark of the old Car Giant with the cranes of HS2 still working in the background, waiting for the queue of Reading fans to to get into Willesden Junction first. Gnanalingam, Hoos, Reilly and Nourry will have long moved on to new jobs. | | | |
| Cargiant site on 11:37 - Apr 14 with 2473 views | hubble |
Re. the size of the potential new stadium: if - and obviously it's a big if - the owners were to invest in the Cargiant site - the potential to use the stadium as a venue for other events is huge. Yes, it's still some years away, but being so close to the HS2/Liz line interchange will be a massive plus, making it a no-brainer, not just for events, but for retail and housing. So a 30K seater venue would be my guess, that can host us, of course, plus all sorts of other events. Currently most football stadiums are ridiculously underutilised.
I said earlier I cant see it happening - but I was basing that on the years of wind-up inertia from the club in regard to moving. However, for Reuben and the gang this is surely what they are investing in the long term for? A 50 acre site with purpose built stadium - which could be really cool if done properly, along with homes, shops, offices and so on... They can certainly afford the buy-in, especially in partnership with the council and London development agencies... I could see this become a reality. | |
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| Cargiant site on 11:43 - Apr 14 with 2446 views | lassel |
| Cargiant site on 10:03 - Apr 14 by DWQPR |
Firstly Brentford got promoted once they got to Legoland. I’ve never been to that ground but I understand that although they don’t have executive boxes they have plenty of corporate which they can utilise on non-match days. I think that being able to utilise different areas of a football ground is much underrated on the amount of additional revenue it can bring to a club. It also heightens the profile as well.
With regards to OOC and whether we could fill an additional 10,000 seats, well firstly it is encouraging that we are all but selling out LR each and every week this season and much of last season with a team that has been average at best based on league standings. If you look at the overall plans for OOC in terms of the residential numbers then I would not be surprised if we could not get a few thousand extra supporters from ‘new locals’. The site is very convenient for transport links, not only the existing ones but also the Lizzie line and eventually HS2. The plot at Car Giant would also be big enough to incorporate a hell of a lot of retail and yes drinking establishments, which sadly although won’t be your Crown or White Horse etc will be frequented and no doubt inside a stadium there would be plenty of room for our equivalent of what Spuds have done at their place. No more warm tins of Carlsberg and I suspect we would see the last of Pukka Pies.
Rangers I feel are currently benefiting from the fact that getting tickets at our dear and not so dear neighbours is difficult and not cheap and if you want to take a family to see one of them lot then a visit to your mortgage broker would be required first. Hell, we sell season tickets for the cost of one ticket at North Battersea!
It is time to move or upgrade. As LR gets older it costs more to maintain. It’s a lovely old ground and I have over half a century of memories that I will always cherish and take to my grave one day. But if the Car Giant site can be purchased then why not a new LR. Built just like the old but a larger capacity and yes, a bit more leg room. Done right we would soon make it home. |
You’ve hit a key point TheTe that the club have done brilliantly in recent years and that is taking advantage of the location to offer an opportunity for overseas fans to take in a match in London at sensible prices.
You’d be shocked how many young football fans in Stockholm have been to a QPR game during a ‘fotbolllsresa’. Gatwick on the Friday night, Westfield with the gf Saturday morning, match Saturday afternoon, Oxford Street Sunday morning then home Sunday night. Every home game there’s a very high chance that a group of twenty something Scandis are sat by you. Whenever I mention here QPR being my team they always know Loftus Road - “great arena” - and my new boss we actually bonded over the fact that his fondest memory is calling the ref a wnker at LR and the ref being close enough to turn and look at him…. | | | |
| Cargiant site on 11:44 - Apr 14 with 2447 views | Boston |
| Cargiant site on 22:25 - Apr 13 by Hayesender |
Am I imagining this, but didn't the QPR owners buy up a load of houses round there? |
I don't know if any houses were involved but I was under the impression TF had bought land in the area. He / his people, were certainly talking to people about such. [Post edited 14 Apr 11:45]
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| Cargiant site on 11:44 - Apr 14 with 2439 views | wombat |
| Cargiant site on 22:25 - Apr 13 by Hayesender |
Am I imagining this, but didn't the QPR owners buy up a load of houses round there? |
from memory we used to own the houses on ellerslie road years ago back in the 60s i think but were sold off to raise finance for the club |  |
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| Cargiant site on 11:46 - Apr 14 with 2434 views | Boston |
| Cargiant site on 11:44 - Apr 14 by wombat |
from memory we used to own the houses on ellerslie road years ago back in the 60s i think but were sold off to raise finance for the club |
Is the Q not related to Old Oak Common? | |
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| Cargiant site on 11:49 - Apr 14 with 2428 views | Maggsinho |
| Cargiant site on 11:44 - Apr 14 by Boston |
I don't know if any houses were involved but I was under the impression TF had bought land in the area. He / his people, were certainly talking to people about such. [Post edited 14 Apr 11:45]
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Joint venture between QPR and Genesis Housing.
https://czwg.com/projects/resi |  | | |
| Cargiant site on 11:52 - Apr 14 with 2414 views | TK1 |
| Cargiant site on 11:44 - Apr 14 by Boston |
I don't know if any houses were involved but I was under the impression TF had bought land in the area. He / his people, were certainly talking to people about such. [Post edited 14 Apr 11:45]
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As mentioned earlier, yes. It's Oakland Rise. Already built 600 flats:
https://czwg.com/projects/resi | | | |
| Cargiant site on 12:05 - Apr 14 with 2342 views | HAMRanger |
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