| Cargiant site on 12:15 - Apr 14 with 3281 views | Tonto |
Looking at the map, the Powerday site would be very suitable for a footy stadium. The site would be crap for housing and Powerday is a significant polluter removed. Dont know if thats within the area for sale though.
Bridge over the canal to connect to the Lizzy Line and HS2. Bridge over the railway to Willesden Junction. Very sustainable transport opportunities which would be big ticks for the planners. Arsenal did it for Emirates bridging over the Moorgate to Hertford line. |  |
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| Cargiant site on 12:24 - Apr 14 with 3225 views | QPR_Jim |
| Cargiant site on 11:32 - Apr 14 by TK1 |
"Firstly Brentford got promoted once they got to Legoland.”
It was the Covid season, so not sure they felt much benefit from the cardboard cutouts.
"If you look at the overall plans for OOC in terms of the residential numbers then I would not be surprised if we could not get a few thousand extra supporters from ‘new locals’.”
I have looked at length. I know the area inside out. QPR is currently situated in one of the most densely populated areas of London for a football ground. It is built into one of England’s historically largest estates. Nobody is moving to OOC to be near a football ground. The residential numbers will be far smaller than around W12. Just go! Have a look.
"The site is very convenient for transport links, not only the existing ones but also the Lizzie line and eventually HS2.”
Not being facetious, but have you ever been to Willesden Junction? It absolutely is not convenient. Certainly substantially less than Shepherds Bush and White City. Lizzy line extension is not open there yet and HS2 a long, long way away.
"The plot at Car Giant would also be big enough to incorporate a hell of a lot of retail and yes drinking establishments.”
There’s absolutely no proof that would be the case. There’s nothing round there to support that kind of explosion of establishments that would be open when the ground is closed, which would be most of the time. It’ll be bars on the concourse like at West Ham or Millwall, which might be good enough for some.
Look, you’ll get your wish and I’m sure it will happen. It’s not for me though and I’ll probably pack the season ticket in. Pick and choose instead. There’ll be room.
Just remember that the same CEO who said he didn’t think it worth polling fans about the play-off places, but then couldn’t tell us how the club voted because mumble mumble “confidentiality”, doesn’t care what we think anyway.
It’ll be decided by absentee owners, transient directors on career ladders, and property developers. Then when built you can all enjoy your nice new Spoons in the carpark of the old Car Giant with the cranes of HS2 still working in the background, waiting for the queue of Reading fans to to get into Willesden Junction first. Gnanalingam, Hoos, Reilly and Nourry will have long moved on to new jobs. |
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That's the proposed development from Car Giant for the land, I assume that most of the area in the red boundary is either owned by Car Giant or their owner. You can see they had plans for a new station and links to the OOC station over the canal, so it would be very well connected back to Shepherds Bush if that was to be the case. Given the fact Car Giant haven't sold the land yet, my bet is that OOC and the Elizabeth line will be finished before a stadium could be built there, even if QPR bought the land today.
Ultimately I think it's unlikely to happen because of our past with Car Giant. If they could get past that, they'd then have to make it financially viable. A new stadium is always going to cost money but the opportunity to re-develop LR and the land around the canal might give them enough of a return to make it viable. There may even be a way to do it with Car Giant to spread the cost because I imagine there will be a lot of infrastructure costs to make the site viable. |  | | |
| Cargiant site on 12:48 - Apr 14 with 3119 views | Third_Division_South |
And isn’t Nourry on some H&F council planning committee? |  | | |
| Cargiant site on 13:17 - Apr 14 with 3012 views | baz_qpr |
They are going to have to do something at some point as much as we love LR, it's crumbling, and any rebuild would reduce the capacity not increase it, without increasing the total land
A regen in the Old Oak common could probably pay for the stadium from the profits in flats etc. Yes we would lose something, a lot of course. But there are not many viable options unless they decide to flatten the White City estate. |  | | |
| Cargiant site on 14:09 - Apr 14 with 2867 views | TheChef |
Anyway if we really wanted this to happen, haven't Ruben and family got enough spare change from Westports to cover the cost of buying the land? |  |
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| Cargiant site on 14:56 - Apr 14 with 2763 views | dutch |
| Cargiant site on 14:09 - Apr 14 by TheChef |
Anyway if we really wanted this to happen, haven't Ruben and family got enough spare change from Westports to cover the cost of buying the land? |
The West Ham experience, akin to a day out in Chernobyl, should surely have warned us all that this is full of jeopardy. The true death of QPR would come with 10,000 rattling around a soulless bowl in a wasteland somewhere near Willesden, or is it Park Royal? What we have now is increasingly what people want, an authentic, urban experience, brilliantly served by all amenities. We could re-do the ground one side at a time, maintain roughly the same capacity while adding comfort and functionality. Cost a lot, but our owner has a lot. Every other option could cost us our existence. | | | |
| Cargiant site on 15:26 - Apr 14 with 2693 views | 7374Ranger |
| Cargiant site on 10:03 - Apr 14 by DWQPR |
Firstly Brentford got promoted once they got to Legoland. I’ve never been to that ground but I understand that although they don’t have executive boxes they have plenty of corporate which they can utilise on non-match days. I think that being able to utilise different areas of a football ground is much underrated on the amount of additional revenue it can bring to a club. It also heightens the profile as well.
With regards to OOC and whether we could fill an additional 10,000 seats, well firstly it is encouraging that we are all but selling out LR each and every week this season and much of last season with a team that has been average at best based on league standings. If you look at the overall plans for OOC in terms of the residential numbers then I would not be surprised if we could not get a few thousand extra supporters from ‘new locals’. The site is very convenient for transport links, not only the existing ones but also the Lizzie line and eventually HS2. The plot at Car Giant would also be big enough to incorporate a hell of a lot of retail and yes drinking establishments, which sadly although won’t be your Crown or White Horse etc will be frequented and no doubt inside a stadium there would be plenty of room for our equivalent of what Spuds have done at their place. No more warm tins of Carlsberg and I suspect we would see the last of Pukka Pies.
Rangers I feel are currently benefiting from the fact that getting tickets at our dear and not so dear neighbours is difficult and not cheap and if you want to take a family to see one of them lot then a visit to your mortgage broker would be required first. Hell, we sell season tickets for the cost of one ticket at North Battersea!
It is time to move or upgrade. As LR gets older it costs more to maintain. It’s a lovely old ground and I have over half a century of memories that I will always cherish and take to my grave one day. But if the Car Giant site can be purchased then why not a new LR. Built just like the old but a larger capacity and yes, a bit more leg room. Done right we would soon make it home. |
Your last comment about a new bigger and more comfortable LR is just what I think could be done. It doesn't have to be a much bigger capacity, 25,000 -28,000 with an option to expand if needed.
I think QPR could get an extra 3-4000 more home fans attending even if still a mid table or top half Championship side, but hopefully would have won promotion back to the Premiership before any new stadium is built. | | | |
| Cargiant site on 15:42 - Apr 14 with 2626 views | nadera78 |
| Cargiant site on 12:24 - Apr 14 by QPR_Jim |
https://plparchitecture.com/ol
That's the proposed development from Car Giant for the land, I assume that most of the area in the red boundary is either owned by Car Giant or their owner. You can see they had plans for a new station and links to the OOC station over the canal, so it would be very well connected back to Shepherds Bush if that was to be the case. Given the fact Car Giant haven't sold the land yet, my bet is that OOC and the Elizabeth line will be finished before a stadium could be built there, even if QPR bought the land today.
Ultimately I think it's unlikely to happen because of our past with Car Giant. If they could get past that, they'd then have to make it financially viable. A new stadium is always going to cost money but the opportunity to re-develop LR and the land around the canal might give them enough of a return to make it viable. There may even be a way to do it with Car Giant to spread the cost because I imagine there will be a lot of infrastructure costs to make the site viable. |
Pretty sure the info in that link is out of date. Once Car Giant succeeded in having their land removed from the Old Oak development, the masterplan was drawn up focussing on the area to the west of Car Giant - basically a wide strip of land going from North Acton station to Willesden Junction. So the CG land - if sold - wouldn't be caught up in that as it stands, although I'm pretty sure the OPDC would be keen to get their hands on it. | | | |
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| Cargiant site on 15:53 - Apr 14 with 2564 views | derbyhoop |
| Cargiant site on 14:56 - Apr 14 by dutch |
The West Ham experience, akin to a day out in Chernobyl, should surely have warned us all that this is full of jeopardy. The true death of QPR would come with 10,000 rattling around a soulless bowl in a wasteland somewhere near Willesden, or is it Park Royal? What we have now is increasingly what people want, an authentic, urban experience, brilliantly served by all amenities. We could re-do the ground one side at a time, maintain roughly the same capacity while adding comfort and functionality. Cost a lot, but our owner has a lot. Every other option could cost us our existence. |
Our current site is tiny
There's no toom for expansion without EITHER buying up expensive property OR getting the school to relocate.
OOC would be approx 30 minutes walk to Harlesden High St. That's before you see how much development there will be on OOC.
Whenever other clubs have moved toodern, bigger stadia, they've seen an in rease in attendances. My projection would be adding about 6,000 to our average 16-17,000.
Provided we can raise the funds to buy the land And build a stadium, its a o brained IMO. The design of any ground should not be another soulless bowl but done with a look back to the good things about LR |  |
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| Cargiant site on 16:04 - Apr 14 with 2484 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Cargiant site on 14:56 - Apr 14 by dutch |
The West Ham experience, akin to a day out in Chernobyl, should surely have warned us all that this is full of jeopardy. The true death of QPR would come with 10,000 rattling around a soulless bowl in a wasteland somewhere near Willesden, or is it Park Royal? What we have now is increasingly what people want, an authentic, urban experience, brilliantly served by all amenities. We could re-do the ground one side at a time, maintain roughly the same capacity while adding comfort and functionality. Cost a lot, but our owner has a lot. Every other option could cost us our existence. |
Surely if there was any appetite from the owners to spend significant money to redevelop/upgrade LR in any way they would have done something by now. |  | | |
| Cargiant site on 16:24 - Apr 14 with 2424 views | Pikey |
With reference to say, the Crown. ( other establishments are available)
In Brighton many of the pubs run coaches to and from the Amex. At a nominal cost it works for the publican ,trade pre and post match, and for the fans.
I'm sure if a stadium was built at OOC it could work, people just need to think outside the box.
I love Loftus Road and have been going for over 65 years but I accept we need to move and build a stadium that earns for us every day not just one day a fortnight. | | | |
| Cargiant site on 16:25 - Apr 14 with 2422 views | numptydumpty |
| Cargiant site on 16:04 - Apr 14 by Ned_Kennedys |
Surely if there was any appetite from the owners to spend significant money to redevelop/upgrade LR in any way they would have done something by now. |
If i live to a reaaonable age, ie 20 to 25 years from now, then my prediction is we will somehow still be in the same stadium.
Something thats always speculated but never actioned.
This does though on the face of it seem to be a viable option.
Intetesting if nothing else.... |  |
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| Cargiant site on 16:50 - Apr 14 with 2352 views | SpongeParr |
| Cargiant site on 14:56 - Apr 14 by dutch |
The West Ham experience, akin to a day out in Chernobyl, should surely have warned us all that this is full of jeopardy. The true death of QPR would come with 10,000 rattling around a soulless bowl in a wasteland somewhere near Willesden, or is it Park Royal? What we have now is increasingly what people want, an authentic, urban experience, brilliantly served by all amenities. We could re-do the ground one side at a time, maintain roughly the same capacity while adding comfort and functionality. Cost a lot, but our owner has a lot. Every other option could cost us our existence. |
Most of this post i disagree with.
Why are we randomly having 10k attendance?
Even with 10k we would be making more revenue from everything else so I fail to see in any way shape or form that this would be the demise of us.
Opposite for me. It'll give us potential to grow and see how big QPR can really be.
Obviously the ground needs to be set up for a great atmosphere. Stands (certainly home end) as steep as regs allow. Not too much space from pitch to stands. Again, if you need space make the away fans be in that section. | | | |
| Cargiant site on 17:05 - Apr 14 with 2308 views | baz_qpr |
The difference with West Ham is they were handed a pre built athletic stadium on an Olympic park. This would be in our (owners) hands so the opportunity is there to build something in keeping with the clubs identity but that can also generate more income. | | | |
| Cargiant site on 17:10 - Apr 14 with 2289 views | hubble |
| Cargiant site on 14:56 - Apr 14 by dutch |
The West Ham experience, akin to a day out in Chernobyl, should surely have warned us all that this is full of jeopardy. The true death of QPR would come with 10,000 rattling around a soulless bowl in a wasteland somewhere near Willesden, or is it Park Royal? What we have now is increasingly what people want, an authentic, urban experience, brilliantly served by all amenities. We could re-do the ground one side at a time, maintain roughly the same capacity while adding comfort and functionality. Cost a lot, but our owner has a lot. Every other option could cost us our existence. |
It's not a 'wasteland', it's actually quite an interesting area, just a bit scruffy and unloved. But character abounds - you've got Kensal Green cemetery round the corner - one of London's 'magnificent seven' cemeteries - which is a fabulous place, the Grand Union canal bordering the site means cycle and walking access from Ladbroke Grove (which is just a few minutes away on a bike), and all points west and east from there... plus the scrubs... so it's got great 'green' potential as well... And it's definitely not Park Royal! |  |
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| Cargiant site on 17:24 - Apr 14 with 2239 views | 7374Ranger |
| Cargiant site on 17:05 - Apr 14 by baz_qpr |
The difference with West Ham is they were handed a pre built athletic stadium on an Olympic park. This would be in our (owners) hands so the opportunity is there to build something in keeping with the clubs identity but that can also generate more income. |
This is true.
QPR could specify what they wanted from the new stadium and design it as close to a replica of LR. It could be with four separate stands right on top of the pitch.
All can have more leg room on and obstructions to spoil the view.
I have seen many new grounds in Europe that are nothing like soul less bowls some fans think QPR will get. | | | |
| Cargiant site on 17:35 - Apr 14 with 2198 views | bosh67 |
Does anyone know if the planning rules have changed for us to build upwards or dig down on the present site? |  |
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| Cargiant site on 17:41 - Apr 14 with 2182 views | TK1 |
| Cargiant site on 15:53 - Apr 14 by derbyhoop |
Our current site is tiny
There's no toom for expansion without EITHER buying up expensive property OR getting the school to relocate.
OOC would be approx 30 minutes walk to Harlesden High St. That's before you see how much development there will be on OOC.
Whenever other clubs have moved toodern, bigger stadia, they've seen an in rease in attendances. My projection would be adding about 6,000 to our average 16-17,000.
Provided we can raise the funds to buy the land And build a stadium, its a o brained IMO. The design of any ground should not be another soulless bowl but done with a look back to the good things about LR |
I could not disagree with this more. But that's OK. I won't go as often. Are you a season ticket holder? If not, maybe you'll go more.
I nowadays live in prime West Ham territory with Hammers all around who absolutely and understandably loath their new ground and pine for Upton Park, a truly great stadium. They lost something fundamental. Same for the Everton season ticket holder who is embarrassed by Hill Dickson that I work with. But I preferred White Hart Lane too, so I may be out of touch. (though my Spurs friends are starting to feel that way too: that new ground probably will take them to next level after all - down)
All I say is that once you leave these old grounds, something dies that you never get back, the spirit of a club is born from the streets you come from, that's the soul of QPR. I'm sure our board will make sure that doesn't get lost.
PS. the club have explored expansion/refit for the last few years. They are far further along with that than you might suspect. But OOC is more likely. | | | |
| Cargiant site on 18:07 - Apr 14 with 2095 views | kensalriser |
| Cargiant site on 17:54 - Apr 14 by dmm |
FC Porto's stadium is twice the size we'd need. |
Yeah but we had the biggest ever attendance at a playoff final, so don't underestimate how humungous we really are.
I personally know at least six aunts named Nelly who would come every week if only there were more leg room and somewhere comfortable to urinate that doesn't necessitate absorbent pants. |  |
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| Cargiant site on 18:27 - Apr 14 with 2045 views | FredManRave |
| Cargiant site on 17:54 - Apr 14 by dmm |
FC Porto's stadium is twice the size we'd need. |
We're a sleeping Cargiant. |  |
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| Cargiant site on 18:54 - Apr 14 with 1958 views | PunteR |
| Cargiant site on 17:41 - Apr 14 by TK1 |
I could not disagree with this more. But that's OK. I won't go as often. Are you a season ticket holder? If not, maybe you'll go more.
I nowadays live in prime West Ham territory with Hammers all around who absolutely and understandably loath their new ground and pine for Upton Park, a truly great stadium. They lost something fundamental. Same for the Everton season ticket holder who is embarrassed by Hill Dickson that I work with. But I preferred White Hart Lane too, so I may be out of touch. (though my Spurs friends are starting to feel that way too: that new ground probably will take them to next level after all - down)
All I say is that once you leave these old grounds, something dies that you never get back, the spirit of a club is born from the streets you come from, that's the soul of QPR. I'm sure our board will make sure that doesn't get lost.
PS. the club have explored expansion/refit for the last few years. They are far further along with that than you might suspect. But OOC is more likely. |
Yeh , i'm not convinced having a bigger stadium will automatically mean bigger attendances.
Especially this day and age where most games you can stream on TV.
How many clubs have we played this season, with much bigger stadiums then ours, with loads of empty seats.
I was at the West Ham game too , and that was definitely an eye opener. Their own fans were singing "we sold our soul for this shit hole" or something. Horrible stadium.
New bigger stadium doesn't correlate with a successful football club. Look at Reading as another example. [Post edited 14 Apr 18:55]
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| Cargiant site on 19:15 - Apr 14 with 1897 views | Juzzie |
| Cargiant site on 14:56 - Apr 14 by dutch |
The West Ham experience, akin to a day out in Chernobyl, should surely have warned us all that this is full of jeopardy. The true death of QPR would come with 10,000 rattling around a soulless bowl in a wasteland somewhere near Willesden, or is it Park Royal? What we have now is increasingly what people want, an authentic, urban experience, brilliantly served by all amenities. We could re-do the ground one side at a time, maintain roughly the same capacity while adding comfort and functionality. Cost a lot, but our owner has a lot. Every other option could cost us our existence. |
With modern rules and regulations by redoing one stand at a time we’d end up with a 15k capacity, if we’re lucky. |  | | |
| Cargiant site on 19:25 - Apr 14 with 1850 views | SpongeParr |
| Cargiant site on 18:54 - Apr 14 by PunteR |
Yeh , i'm not convinced having a bigger stadium will automatically mean bigger attendances.
Especially this day and age where most games you can stream on TV.
How many clubs have we played this season, with much bigger stadiums then ours, with loads of empty seats.
I was at the West Ham game too , and that was definitely an eye opener. Their own fans were singing "we sold our soul for this shit hole" or something. Horrible stadium.
New bigger stadium doesn't correlate with a successful football club. Look at Reading as another example. [Post edited 14 Apr 18:55]
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The mass9ve athletics track has done that. We wouldn't have that at a new ground. | | | |
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