| Cargiant site on 19:58 - Apr 14 with 2908 views | Mick_S |
| Cargiant site on 18:27 - Apr 14 by FredManRave |
We're a sleeping Cargiant. |
Accidentally down voted after upvoting. Confusing being Rangers sometimes innit 😉 |  |
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| Cargiant site on 20:03 - Apr 14 with 2897 views | QPR_Jim |
| Cargiant site on 15:42 - Apr 14 by nadera78 |
Pretty sure the info in that link is out of date. Once Car Giant succeeded in having their land removed from the Old Oak development, the masterplan was drawn up focussing on the area to the west of Car Giant - basically a wide strip of land going from North Acton station to Willesden Junction. So the CG land - if sold - wouldn't be caught up in that as it stands, although I'm pretty sure the OPDC would be keen to get their hands on it. |
I'm 100% sure it's out of date. It's what car giant wanted to do before the site was removed from the OOC regeneration scheme. What it does show is a) the extent of land they own and b) what could potentially be done with the rest of the land, albeit their plans were quite ambitious with the links across the canal and onto scrubs lane. A new station and a footbridge to OOC should suffice. |  | | |
| Cargiant site on 20:04 - Apr 14 with 2894 views | mart_Goblin |
I don’t know .
It’s such a difficult one.
Leaving LR to move literally anywhere else would be heartbreaking and gut wrenching for most of us. It’s not just a football ground…our football ground , it’s family and memories and friends and emotions and one of the reasons why we are who we are . I don’t want to leave . Just seeing the stadium from afar gives me feelings and emotions I’ll never get anywhere else .
But I can’t help think that our stagnation over the last however many years is linked to us being hoisted by our own petard and entrapment by LR itself . It’s not THE reason, but it’s one of .
I know others will disagree and tell me reasons why that’s nonsense but that’s just how I feel .
I’m still reading people say that “we can development LR”.
I know CN hinted at this last summer but let’s be realistic. What can we really do here?
I think maybe the only hope is to wait for the regeneration of the White City Estate and hope that we get included in that . Not sure on that time scale .
They would have to block/ re route SAR. Buying the houses on Ellerslie Road / Loftus Road is just a no go .
Was CN playing a bit of lip service ? I don’t know . Possibly .
But I think people for and against leaving LR have to be open minded enough to concede to do what’s best for the club despite fears and concerns .
What we as fans HAVE to do is make sure the people in charge (of the move moreso than the club itself) do what best for us , not them.
Hold them to account every step of the way if we move or if we don’t . As both have big risks .
Current history suggests they need a hand from real fans and not just money men, advisors and people out to feather their own nest . |  | | |
| Cargiant site on 20:10 - Apr 14 with 2861 views | KensalT |
I can remember Lee Hoos in the past saying that the footprint of Loftus Road is too small to allow any redevelopment.
I couldn't find any info online about how big the Loftus Road plot is but I did find an article saying that the Brentford stadium site is 7.6 acres:
https://stadiumdb.com/designs/
"First plans for a new stadium were drawn back in 2002, but only after acquiring a 7.6-acre land near Kew Bridge"
Back in 2014 when we were eyeing OOC the Guardian reported that the CarGiant site is 30 acres:
https://www.theguardian.com/fo
"The former QPR sponsor owns a 30-acre plot on the Old Oak site where the west London club hope to build a 40,000-seat stadium."
So in theory we would only need around a quarter of the CarGiant plot to develop a new stadium. Leaving plenty of land over to throw up a few more tower blocks! |  | | |
| Cargiant site on 20:16 - Apr 14 with 2819 views | Loft1979 |
Carpe diem. Why shouldn't it be our turm. |  | | |
| Cargiant site on 20:47 - Apr 14 with 2719 views | dutch |
| Cargiant site on 19:15 - Apr 14 by Juzzie |
With modern rules and regulations by redoing one stand at a time we’d end up with a 15k capacity, if we’re lucky. |
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| Cargiant site on 21:20 - Apr 14 with 2587 views | PunteR |
| Cargiant site on 19:25 - Apr 14 by SpongeParr |
The mass9ve athletics track has done that. We wouldn't have that at a new ground. |
Yep, i get that.
But look at Reading. Probably a better example. In L1 , financial mess, in an empty soulless stadium with a B&Q car park. Nearest place to get a beer outside the stadium is the Travelodge.
How has moving from Elm Park to a bigger stadium helped them?
Elm Park was a dive with not much going for it, unlike Loftus Road, in London, transport links, pubs, restaurants etc . [Post edited 14 Apr 21:28]
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| Cargiant site on 21:31 - Apr 14 with 2538 views | OldPedro |
| Cargiant site on 21:20 - Apr 14 by PunteR |
Yep, i get that.
But look at Reading. Probably a better example. In L1 , financial mess, in an empty soulless stadium with a B&Q car park. Nearest place to get a beer outside the stadium is the Travelodge.
How has moving from Elm Park to a bigger stadium helped them?
Elm Park was a dive with not much going for it, unlike Loftus Road, in London, transport links, pubs, restaurants etc . [Post edited 14 Apr 21:28]
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Reading did get to the Premier League a few years after they moved to their new ground and then spent about 10 years in the Championship before their last relegation.
Their current issues are surely more to do with financial issues and mismanagement than just being in a new ground.
If the QPR owners learn the lessons from other stadiums such as West Ham/ Reading, there's no reason why a new stadium can't help the club grow. If we don't do anything, I can't see us progressing, only regressing. |  |
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| Cargiant site on 21:32 - Apr 14 with 2533 views | slmrstid |
| Cargiant site on 21:20 - Apr 14 by PunteR |
Yep, i get that.
But look at Reading. Probably a better example. In L1 , financial mess, in an empty soulless stadium with a B&Q car park. Nearest place to get a beer outside the stadium is the Travelodge.
How has moving from Elm Park to a bigger stadium helped them?
Elm Park was a dive with not much going for it, unlike Loftus Road, in London, transport links, pubs, restaurants etc . [Post edited 14 Apr 21:28]
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To be fair moving from Elm Park to the Mad Stad did help Reading - they ended up a mainstay of the top two tiers for quite a long time and also had some good years in the top flight, something they'd never have done at Elm Park.
All their problems started when Mad John sold up, and as they were one of the first clubs to move to a new ground in the 90s they fell back as other clubs did the same.
Football is cyclical and new stadiums or not, clubs will rise and fall, but lets not pretend they haven't had a good level of success in that new ground for quite a good few years. |  | | |
| Cargiant site on 21:42 - Apr 14 with 2502 views | captainmycaptian |
Just to be clear first things first
WE NEED A WELL RUN FOOTBALL CLUB
Then once we are wining more really pushing for promotion maybe even get a season in the shite hype that is the Premiership then think of a better ground all this talk of hotels and boxing events is pie in the sky. Create a winning team and then see where it leads to. LR is the real deal has real character not found at a lot of other grounds. Team first ground comes from solid foundations | | | |
| Cargiant site on 21:43 - Apr 14 with 2496 views | PunteR |
| Cargiant site on 21:32 - Apr 14 by slmrstid |
To be fair moving from Elm Park to the Mad Stad did help Reading - they ended up a mainstay of the top two tiers for quite a long time and also had some good years in the top flight, something they'd never have done at Elm Park.
All their problems started when Mad John sold up, and as they were one of the first clubs to move to a new ground in the 90s they fell back as other clubs did the same.
Football is cyclical and new stadiums or not, clubs will rise and fall, but lets not pretend they haven't had a good level of success in that new ground for quite a good few years. |
They've had less success than us while in a bigger stadium.
They're now back in L1. They havent gained anymore fans, the extra ones they picked up while in the Prem have gone back to supporting Man U and Spurs. They nearly went into administration. How has their stadium stabilized them for the foreseeable future.?
I think theyre in the process of having to renovate the stadium now too because it was built by some dodgy builders.. ;)
I think if our owners can get things right on the pitch first, then i'd have more confidence they will get it right off the pitch. A new stadium wont automatically make us a stable club in the Premier league. I think there's more to lose then gain imho. [Post edited 14 Apr 21:55]
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| Cargiant site on 21:54 - Apr 14 with 2463 views | OldPedro |
| Cargiant site on 21:43 - Apr 14 by PunteR |
They've had less success than us while in a bigger stadium.
They're now back in L1. They havent gained anymore fans, the extra ones they picked up while in the Prem have gone back to supporting Man U and Spurs. They nearly went into administration. How has their stadium stabilized them for the foreseeable future.?
I think theyre in the process of having to renovate the stadium now too because it was built by some dodgy builders.. ;)
I think if our owners can get things right on the pitch first, then i'd have more confidence they will get it right off the pitch. A new stadium wont automatically make us a stable club in the Premier league. I think there's more to lose then gain imho. [Post edited 14 Apr 21:55]
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Transfermarket shows the average attendances over the years. Although average attendance has fallen back from their Premier League high, they are still significantly higher than the 80's and 90's at Elm Park
Details on this link https://www.transfermarkt.com/ | |
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| Cargiant site on 22:06 - Apr 14 with 2405 views | PunteR |
| Cargiant site on 21:54 - Apr 14 by OldPedro |
Transfermarket shows the average attendances over the years. Although average attendance has fallen back from their Premier League high, they are still significantly higher than the 80's and 90's at Elm Park
Details on this link https://www.transfermarkt.com/ |
Yeah ,their peak was Prem times , its dropped almost double since then. But i take your point, the stadium has improved their attendance albeit from a very low bar in the first place. [Post edited 14 Apr 22:08]
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| Cargiant site on 22:07 - Apr 14 with 2386 views | digswellhoop |
they sponsored us could we do a deal | | | |
| Cargiant site on 23:13 - Apr 14 with 2210 views | numptydumpty |
| Cargiant site on 22:06 - Apr 14 by PunteR |
Yeah ,their peak was Prem times , its dropped almost double since then. But i take your point, the stadium has improved their attendance albeit from a very low bar in the first place. [Post edited 14 Apr 22:08]
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Living near to Reading for many years and a mate who is a fan, went to elm park and few games when they were in madejski.
There was good atmosphere but was standing there also at Elm Park.
Even with a full house, The MadStad is dull. Doesnt hold the sound.
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| Cargiant site on 02:38 - Apr 15 with 2096 views | LazyFan |
We need a new stadium, we need it to be 50K plus.
Size matters in football.
If we want to one day avoid these mega losses, we need a large stadium not just for football fans but also for concerts, conferences (lots of meeting rooms in the stadium halls), other sporting events (boxing), and so on.
A multi-purpose, large Stadium will bring in way more money, and we may actually run without a loss for once (I know, don't all laugh at once).
A larger stadium or being in the Prem is the only way we survive.
The only way!
Now, for the football: if you have a proper training site (which we now do) and a proper stadium (which we don't), then you get footballers who may not have come before. Already, we see that the new players we have signed say the training site is of high quality (which also tells you what they think of the Stadium).
Once you get better players for the same price as before, just because you have top facilities for them, this gives you a chance at better football.
Now it would be ideal if those offices where the White City Stadium used to be wouldnt mind selling to us so, we can knock that down for our massive Stadium. Right next to the flyover so, no one will care about footy fans making noise. Rename it the "West London Stadium" so that all the international tourist fans (Yanks) who know little of footy think there is only one team in London, and we get all that business too.
Next to the Westfield shops for the footballers' spouses, not from trendy Richmond, and this will keep the players' families happy (unlike Boro or Aberdeen).
We don't need to be an orange bowl, many clubs like Porto have done proper stadiums, and we already know the owners understand that you have to be close to the pitch (unlike Wet Spam) to intimidate the oppo and as fans have expressed that desire a lot if a new one was built.
If we cannot get White City, then this Car Giant site may be worth it.
It's a new Stadium or death, that's the reality of it. And no, it cannot be some 20K-30K stadium; it needs to be large to accommodate extra business money, regardless of our bad football.
Will it happen?
Who knows! |  |
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| Cargiant site on 06:34 - Apr 15 with 2007 views | dmm |
So you'd be happy to rattle around in a stadium twice as large as we'd need with little to no atmosphere during games? Strange. |  | | |
| Cargiant site on 07:59 - Apr 15 with 1851 views | Northernr |
| Cargiant site on 02:38 - Apr 15 by LazyFan |
We need a new stadium, we need it to be 50K plus.
Size matters in football.
If we want to one day avoid these mega losses, we need a large stadium not just for football fans but also for concerts, conferences (lots of meeting rooms in the stadium halls), other sporting events (boxing), and so on.
A multi-purpose, large Stadium will bring in way more money, and we may actually run without a loss for once (I know, don't all laugh at once).
A larger stadium or being in the Prem is the only way we survive.
The only way!
Now, for the football: if you have a proper training site (which we now do) and a proper stadium (which we don't), then you get footballers who may not have come before. Already, we see that the new players we have signed say the training site is of high quality (which also tells you what they think of the Stadium).
Once you get better players for the same price as before, just because you have top facilities for them, this gives you a chance at better football.
Now it would be ideal if those offices where the White City Stadium used to be wouldnt mind selling to us so, we can knock that down for our massive Stadium. Right next to the flyover so, no one will care about footy fans making noise. Rename it the "West London Stadium" so that all the international tourist fans (Yanks) who know little of footy think there is only one team in London, and we get all that business too.
Next to the Westfield shops for the footballers' spouses, not from trendy Richmond, and this will keep the players' families happy (unlike Boro or Aberdeen).
We don't need to be an orange bowl, many clubs like Porto have done proper stadiums, and we already know the owners understand that you have to be close to the pitch (unlike Wet Spam) to intimidate the oppo and as fans have expressed that desire a lot if a new one was built.
If we cannot get White City, then this Car Giant site may be worth it.
It's a new Stadium or death, that's the reality of it. And no, it cannot be some 20K-30K stadium; it needs to be large to accommodate extra business money, regardless of our bad football.
Will it happen?
Who knows! |
50,000? As in people? |  | | |
| Cargiant site on 08:20 - Apr 15 with 1775 views | nadera78 |
| Cargiant site on 07:59 - Apr 15 by Northernr |
50,000? As in people? |
I assumed he was high when posting that. | | | |
| Cargiant site on 08:32 - Apr 15 with 1731 views | JezHoops |
Should we stay at LR?
I have the same strong emotional attachment to LR having been a ST holder since 1978. I love the atmosphere that can be generated and the proximity to the pitch. However the sight lines are terrible, not just because of the pillars. The seating is far too cramped and my shins are rubbed by the seats in front every game. There are more large fans these days making it a squeeze. The back of the Ellerlie is terrible for the toilets and refreshments and certainly a safety hazard. We have missed the opportunity to expand LR by not having the land housing around the ground. We won’t be allowed to go higher and the dig down idea is not viable. If there was genuinely a chance of proper development with increased capacity at LR , it would have been done. My reluctant view is if the right alternative is possible we should leave.
Cargiant?
Over the years we have missed a number of obvious and available opportunities within the general area and around the ground. White City, Patk Royal, BBC, Cargiant first time ….
I think we need to take this chance if we can. Comparisons to West Ham are irrelevant as they moved to a pre-built athletics stadium and have 50-60,000 crowds to deal with. Realistically we could increase our attendances with decent facilities, but 25-30k would be plenty .
New Stadium.
My local ground is the Amex. As well as visiting for our regular thrashings, I have been in must of the home stands. It is modern , out of town and away from any pubs/restaurants. Fans meet up in Brighton and Lewes pre-match and then travel to the game. It is a well-designed stadium . They built it for 21k with a design that has allowed it to go up to 31k. The atmosphere and volume pitch-side can be very noisy. The size means there is loads of room behind all the seating areas and pre-match and halftime are a positive experience.
I think we need to move . I think we need to take the opportunity of Cargiant. I think with the right design we can have a comfortable tight medium-size ground that will increase revenue and enable us to attract more support and better finances. [Post edited 15 Apr 8:45]
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| Cargiant site on 08:41 - Apr 15 with 1690 views | Clive_Anderson |
What was the reason the Linford Christie stadium can't be an option?
I've seen people saying this over the years, but no one ever reveals why  | | | |
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