| Cargiant site on 08:45 - Apr 15 with 2572 views | captainmycaptian |
Can anyone with brains tell me how much income is generated by football ground when not used for football ? In that how.many boxing,pop concerts and meeting spaces ect bring in. Also yes poor sight lines at LR ia an issue but sometimes you really dont want ti see whats being put on. We need to run the club better and put better results down win more better product first. |  | |  |
| Cargiant site on 08:51 - Apr 15 with 2542 views | Northernr |
| Cargiant site on 08:41 - Apr 15 by Clive_Anderson |
What was the reason the Linford Christie stadium can't be an option?
I've seen people saying this over the years, but no one ever reveals why  |
There's lots of stuff around access, hospital, ambulances etc but I think the fundamental short answer is it's on the Scrubs, the trust don't want it there and there's an act of parliament that protects it. |  | | |
| Cargiant site on 09:14 - Apr 15 with 2434 views | QPR_Jim |
| Cargiant site on 08:45 - Apr 15 by captainmycaptian |
Can anyone with brains tell me how much income is generated by football ground when not used for football ? In that how.many boxing,pop concerts and meeting spaces ect bring in. Also yes poor sight lines at LR ia an issue but sometimes you really dont want ti see whats being put on. We need to run the club better and put better results down win more better product first. |
I don't know the answer to your question but as I see it, it's only half the question. The other half being, what are the additional costs for running LR on a match day?
From what I've read previously I think our poor sightlines, cramped space and residential location mean that we spend more on stewarding and policing per head than a more modern stadium. There's the upkeep of the stadium structure itself (See Birmingham) and probably higher insurance premiums too due to the age are probably ongoing costs. Then you have the lost revenue from the poor food and drink offerings, which we've been told is due to lack of space below the stands. Loss revenue due to poor hospitality offerings, discounted restricted view seats etc.
Don't get me wrong I love LR, it's the only home ground we've had in my lifetime. But we need to consider if moving is best for the club. If it's a step towards the club being self sustaining financially, I think we should encourage it. Currently the owners lose £2m a month, if we get to the point where that's a choice rather than a necessity to keep us in this league, then the clubs future is a lot more secure.
If this were to happen, or any other development in the future, we need to make sure the stadium is bespoke and made to provide a good atmosphere. Is sized to fit us now (25k max?) with space around it to expand. Is as close to, or easily connected to Shepherds Bush. If the move provides all of those things then I think it would be a success. As others have said the gold standard would have been the dairy crest site but opportunities like that appear to be a thing of the past. |  | | |
| Cargiant site on 09:18 - Apr 15 with 2398 views | Clive_Anderson |
| Cargiant site on 08:51 - Apr 15 by Northernr |
There's lots of stuff around access, hospital, ambulances etc but I think the fundamental short answer is it's on the Scrubs, the trust don't want it there and there's an act of parliament that protects it. |
The stadium is already on the scrubs though, so if a new stadium has a similar footprint it's not taking up more of the scrubs than is gone already.
Could cause congestion at the hospital, but the A&E is gone there now I think so no emergency ambulances anymore. | | | |
| Cargiant site on 09:24 - Apr 15 with 2385 views | Northernr |
| Cargiant site on 09:18 - Apr 15 by Clive_Anderson |
The stadium is already on the scrubs though, so if a new stadium has a similar footprint it's not taking up more of the scrubs than is gone already.
Could cause congestion at the hospital, but the A&E is gone there now I think so no emergency ambulances anymore. |
I'm not saying it's right, I found some of their objections laughable and a stadium could have brought them loads of stuff that would have been really good, but they hold the cards because it's protected land.
QPR also seemed to be saying we should get given it, or a nominal fee, rather than pay for it. Bold move of any council to hand over some metropolitan open land to a private business. | | | |
| Cargiant site on 09:26 - Apr 15 with 2379 views | hubble |
LCS ain't gonna happen... it seems neither the council nor the trust want us there... plus, they've just upgraded it...
https://www.lbhf.gov.uk/news/2 |  |
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| Cargiant site on 09:38 - Apr 15 with 2328 views | nadera78 |
| Cargiant site on 09:18 - Apr 15 by Clive_Anderson |
The stadium is already on the scrubs though, so if a new stadium has a similar footprint it's not taking up more of the scrubs than is gone already.
Could cause congestion at the hospital, but the A&E is gone there now I think so no emergency ambulances anymore. |
I might be wrong but IIRC land the stadium sits on is not actually part of the Scrubs, same for the prison, hospital, etc. Either way, those buildings are grandfathered into any debate about Wormwood Scrubs, a new 30,000 seat football stadium is very different.
The biggest issue there is that the local campaign group would fight it tooth and nail - using the transport links, people marching across the Scrubs, anti-social behaviour, etc, etc - and they'd always find the money and lawyers to take it to court. It would take years just to exhaust the legal battles, that's before you get a spade in the ground.
You can't blame the owners for not wanting that, seeing as they wasted so many years on Warren Farm. H&F Council also don't need or want that kind of nonsense. In fact, I think they recently found some grant money to relay the track and rebuild the changing rooms. | | | |
| Cargiant site on 09:41 - Apr 15 with 2316 views | TK1 |
| Cargiant site on 09:18 - Apr 15 by Clive_Anderson |
The stadium is already on the scrubs though, so if a new stadium has a similar footprint it's not taking up more of the scrubs than is gone already.
Could cause congestion at the hospital, but the A&E is gone there now I think so no emergency ambulances anymore. |
If the residents around Warren Farm proved insurmountable, wait until the consultation with the local residents (which stretches into some very expensive houses into W10, W11) and Friends of the Scrubs gets aired. No way will they allow a 25-35k stadium be built there with all the associated extra traffic and so forth.
Incidentally, I thought I'd watch Bolton versus Stevenage on the red button for a bit last night. 3rd v 6th in Div 1, cracking performance by the home team, 5-1, but despite that and there being 19k in attendance, the atmosphere was dead and all you saw on TV was acres of empty seats - 10k empty seats in fact. Because that's what Bolton are, even pushing for promotion. That's their limit.
They've spent more years in the PL than us this century in that new ground. Had some some world class players. But they've also spent more time in L1 than us in that ground, with some rubbish players. Having that shiny new stadium in the middle of nowhere really makes no difference. It's the owner, the manager and the players. Because five years ago their average was 11k - imagine that in a 30k stadium. Now it's 21k, because the team's right. | | | |
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| Cargiant site on 09:48 - Apr 15 with 2293 views | KensalT |
| Cargiant site on 08:51 - Apr 15 by Northernr |
There's lots of stuff around access, hospital, ambulances etc but I think the fundamental short answer is it's on the Scrubs, the trust don't want it there and there's an act of parliament that protects it. |
Getting a football stadium built on the Scrubs would be a lot harder than getting a training ground built on Warren Farm. And we all know how that went.
There are too many well organised vested interests that would oppose it.
H&F has two PL clubs in the borough so probably doesn't see us as anything special or need to do us any favours.
And if LCS did come on the market for development we would be competing for it with Imperial NHS Trust who are one of the wealthiest NHS Trusts in the country and seem to be on a mission to buy up Shepherd's Bush.
In 2024/25 QPR's turnover was £28 million.
In 2022/23 Imperial NHS Trusts's turnover was £1.6 billion
https://www.qpr1st.com/news/re
https://www.imperial.nhs.uk/pa [Post edited 15 Apr 13:08]
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| Cargiant site on 11:03 - Apr 15 with 2123 views | wombat |
| Cargiant site on 09:48 - Apr 15 by KensalT |
Getting a football stadium built on the Scrubs would be a lot harder than getting a training ground built on Warren Farm. And we all know how that went.
There are too many well organised vested interests that would oppose it.
H&F has two PL clubs in the borough so probably doesn't see us as anything special or need to do us any favours.
And if LCS did come on the market for development we would be competing for it with Imperial NHS Trust who are one of the wealthiest NHS Trusts in the country and seem to be on a mission to buy up Shepherd's Bush.
In 2024/25 QPR's turnover was £28 million.
In 2022/23 Imperial NHS Trusts's turnover was £1.6 billion
https://www.qpr1st.com/news/re
https://www.imperial.nhs.uk/pa [Post edited 15 Apr 13:08]
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way to many reasons why this was a dead duck from day one
east acton station can barely handle 10 people at a time let alone 10k its surrounded by houses so cant be expanded , tfl dont like to spend money either
hospital being 100 yardsb ehind it also wont want a stadium there .
gov land
prob have the prisoners moaning as well as affects there sleep time etc
it wasnt ever gonna happen and wont ever happen sam as car giant wont happen the club had its chance to move easily didnt take it up and we are now pretty much fecked if we want to stay in the local area. as nothing else aval which would suit, owners are firmly to blame on this im sorry to say they decided not to buy one of the pieces of land aval at the time and nothing else is likely to become aval anytime soon |  |
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| Cargiant site on 11:11 - Apr 15 with 2097 views | BAWHoops |
Any new stadium for QPR should only ever be 25k max. We just about fill our 18k one now.
Basically just copy what Luton are doing with theirs
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| Cargiant site on 11:23 - Apr 15 with 2038 views | terryb |
| Cargiant site on 08:45 - Apr 15 by captainmycaptian |
Can anyone with brains tell me how much income is generated by football ground when not used for football ? In that how.many boxing,pop concerts and meeting spaces ect bring in. Also yes poor sight lines at LR ia an issue but sometimes you really dont want ti see whats being put on. We need to run the club better and put better results down win more better product first. |
I'm another one who can't give a full answer, but I think Portman Road is limited to one event per year, however, the event might be for more than one day/night as in the artist playing on two consectutive days/nights. This would mean that extra income was limited.
Going back 40 years, they hired out their executive boxes & restaurant regulary for non footballing related entertaining & possibly gained more income from these than concerts. I have no idea if these facilites are still available or good enough to warrant hiring. | | | |
| Cargiant site on 12:32 - Apr 15 with 1821 views | francisbowles |
Buy the Car Giant site and build houses and flats. Buy the White City estate or some/most of it and relocate the residents to the Car Giant site.
Re route South Africa Road and rebuild Loftus Road (our ground) across SA Rd and into the White City estate, ensuring the Stanley Bowles stand is further away from the residents back gardens. Maybe turn the pitch around too.
Rebuild for 25,000 but with the option to go higher. Ensure there is adequate light on the south side of the ground for the pitch, maybe with a retractable roof on that stand or a see through roof but with blinds that could be used to keep cool, when necessary, on match days or other event days only.
Best of both worlds! Feasible? | | | |
| Cargiant site on 12:37 - Apr 15 with 1803 views | CamberleyR |
| Cargiant site on 11:52 - Apr 15 by SpongeParr |
That's just Millwalls with more, different colour seats. |
The Den has got open corners, it's not enclosed like the Estadio do Bessa pictured.
With the closed in corners, Boavista's gaff would create far more atmosphere if it was full. |  |
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| Cargiant site on 12:39 - Apr 15 with 1791 views | CamberleyR |
| Cargiant site on 12:32 - Apr 15 by francisbowles |
Buy the Car Giant site and build houses and flats. Buy the White City estate or some/most of it and relocate the residents to the Car Giant site.
Re route South Africa Road and rebuild Loftus Road (our ground) across SA Rd and into the White City estate, ensuring the Stanley Bowles stand is further away from the residents back gardens. Maybe turn the pitch around too.
Rebuild for 25,000 but with the option to go higher. Ensure there is adequate light on the south side of the ground for the pitch, maybe with a retractable roof on that stand or a see through roof but with blinds that could be used to keep cool, when necessary, on match days or other event days only.
Best of both worlds! Feasible? |
Like your thinking FB. | |
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| Cargiant site on 12:40 - Apr 15 with 1791 views | loftboy |
| Cargiant site on 11:52 - Apr 15 by SpongeParr |
That's just Millwalls with more, different colour seats. |
They literally used. Loftus Road as the remit for the architect when they built it. |  |
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| Cargiant site on 12:42 - Apr 15 with 1784 views | aston_hoop |
I quite like Osasuna's El Sadar, feels very close to the pitch and the atsmosphere was rocking when I was there. 23.5k capacity. Nice ground.
https://www.osasuna.es/el-sada
Anyway, that is all way in the future to worry about! |  |
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| Cargiant site on 13:15 - Apr 15 with 1670 views | CamberleyR |
| Cargiant site on 12:40 - Apr 15 by loftboy |
They literally used. Loftus Road as the remit for the architect when they built it. |
I think that was Racing Santander's stadium?
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| Cargiant site on 13:16 - Apr 15 with 1664 views | CamberleyR |
| Cargiant site on 12:42 - Apr 15 by aston_hoop |
I quite like Osasuna's El Sadar, feels very close to the pitch and the atsmosphere was rocking when I was there. 23.5k capacity. Nice ground.
https://www.osasuna.es/el-sada
Anyway, that is all way in the future to worry about! |
That's nice, I like that. | |
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| Cargiant site on 13:20 - Apr 15 with 1636 views | nadera78 |
| Cargiant site on 12:32 - Apr 15 by francisbowles |
Buy the Car Giant site and build houses and flats. Buy the White City estate or some/most of it and relocate the residents to the Car Giant site.
Re route South Africa Road and rebuild Loftus Road (our ground) across SA Rd and into the White City estate, ensuring the Stanley Bowles stand is further away from the residents back gardens. Maybe turn the pitch around too.
Rebuild for 25,000 but with the option to go higher. Ensure there is adequate light on the south side of the ground for the pitch, maybe with a retractable roof on that stand or a see through roof but with blinds that could be used to keep cool, when necessary, on match days or other event days only.
Best of both worlds! Feasible? |
It's doable, I suppose, but you'd be ??? years building at Old Oak, then moving people from White City, then demolishing that, then re-building Loftus Rd. So, a decade before the stadium is done. | | | |
| Cargiant site on 13:41 - Apr 15 with 1566 views | wombat |
| Cargiant site on 12:32 - Apr 15 by francisbowles |
Buy the Car Giant site and build houses and flats. Buy the White City estate or some/most of it and relocate the residents to the Car Giant site.
Re route South Africa Road and rebuild Loftus Road (our ground) across SA Rd and into the White City estate, ensuring the Stanley Bowles stand is further away from the residents back gardens. Maybe turn the pitch around too.
Rebuild for 25,000 but with the option to go higher. Ensure there is adequate light on the south side of the ground for the pitch, maybe with a retractable roof on that stand or a see through roof but with blinds that could be used to keep cool, when necessary, on match days or other event days only.
Best of both worlds! Feasible? |
in a word NO
lots of flats on white city are now privalty owned so cost goes up .they wont go the CPO route
cost of buying cargiant at 100 million lol
cost of building new white city on car giant 100 plus prob closer to 150 illion
cost of new stadium 80 to 150 million prob more
money recouped from selling LR 45/55 million
so 300 350 million cost roughly do u honestly think anyone living on white city will want to relocate to car giant ? | |
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| Cargiant site on 13:41 - Apr 15 with 1567 views | Boston |
| Cargiant site on 08:51 - Apr 15 by Northernr |
There's lots of stuff around access, hospital, ambulances etc but I think the fundamental short answer is it's on the Scrubs, the trust don't want it there and there's an act of parliament that protects it. |
I thought it was because we had players who should have been locked up. | |
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| Cargiant site on 13:54 - Apr 15 with 1517 views | Jevlar |
I've always wondered how much would it cost to buy the cricket ground off Latymer Upper School - on the corner of Du Cane Road
Surely less than Cargiant, still W12, and accessible.
And a quick look at google - its bigger than our current plot
Never gonna happen I know |  | | |
| Cargiant site on 13:57 - Apr 15 with 1497 views | wombat |
| Cargiant site on 13:20 - Apr 15 by nadera78 |
It's doable, I suppose, but you'd be ??? years building at Old Oak, then moving people from White City, then demolishing that, then re-building Loftus Rd. So, a decade before the stadium is done. |
years take that long to get rid of the asbestos from that site at car giant let alone getting planning improving access youl need dual acccess and entry for fire regulations, id go 12/15 years before we got on site if they started the ball rolling today , not sure wood lane could cope with that anmount of people on macth days either | |
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