| Spot the difference, QPR annihilated at Norwich - Report on 22:23 - Apr 7 with 4186 views | colinallcars |
Wow, that's a hard-hitting report. Everyone at the club should read it. |  | |  |
| Spot the difference, QPR annihilated at Norwich - Report on 22:25 - Apr 7 with 4170 views | daveB |
i went to watch the game with some mates at liverpool street and we were 2-0 before i made it to the pub ( I thought it was a 1245 kick off)
It was a truly disgusting performance, i'd say it can't get any worse but i thought that after Rotherham and we've had 2 performances worse since |  | | |
| Spot the difference, QPR annihilated at Norwich - Report on 22:40 - Apr 7 with 4104 views | Dorse |
Utter s hite. (The game, not the report).
Millwall, mid-week. Just what the doctor ordered, said no-one, ever. [Post edited 8 Apr 2019 9:36]
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| Spot the difference, QPR annihilated at Norwich - Report on 22:40 - Apr 7 with 4095 views | DejR_vu |
How do those that still do away games manage to keep doing it?
Amazes me that the reports always have a line or two that have me in stitches. I didn't see the game but the Lynch Bidwell incident  |  |
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| Spot the difference, QPR annihilated at Norwich - Report on 22:50 - Apr 7 with 4060 views | VancouverHoop |
I didn't see the match. But – if I'm interpreting the report accurately – there's a suggestion that the manager and players basically just went through the motions as a protest against Mclaren's firing. Is that correct? | | | |
| Spot the difference, QPR annihilated at Norwich - Report on 22:56 - Apr 7 with 4043 views | Northolt_Rs |
That’s a depressingly great write-up.
Post-match Eustace actually said this: “We were more competitive in the second half but at the moment we are low on confidence. But the subs that came on I thought made a difference for us and there’s positives to take out of the game for sure.”
He must’ve been watching a different game to the rest of us. There were absolutely NO positives to take from that shambolic performance. Zero. Nil. Nada. Zip.
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| Spot the difference, QPR annihilated at Norwich - Report on 23:09 - Apr 7 with 4007 views | ted_hendrix |
Clive, read your report through as I mostly do, by speaking the truth you've actually made me feel worse tonight.
Got to say that after following this club since 1958 I'm thoroughly sick of it now, how we've managed to end up in this mess I'll never know or get to the bottom of.
I've been to all the relegation's i'm bloody used to it, I could live with them and renew my ST and move on waiting for August to come round, not anymore.
My Missus (bless her) for the first time ever this afternoon said to me 'what on Earth is a matter with you, you've turned into a right miserable sod lately' I explained that it was the bloody football again but I shouldn't be like this.
Not a person on this planet would have given us a chance yesterday but the manner in which we went about the 90 minutes was disgraceful and what on Earth was that bloke given the temporary Managers job for?
The whole goddam club including the so called DOF. Hoos or whatever he's called, the temporary manager and his 74 fcking assistants (including chewing gum) but most of all those 'not fit for purpose coward players' can go fck themselves, they should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves, each and everyone of them. |  |
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| Spot the difference, QPR annihilated at Norwich - Report on 00:01 - Apr 8 with 3872 views | JAPRANGERS |
Wow what an incredibly damning but superbly written report this is. Very depressing report to read first thing on Monday morning after just getting up.
Hope all the players read this and hang their heads in utter shame. Should be required reading by all our "players". |  | | |
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| Spot the difference, QPR annihilated at Norwich - Report on 02:34 - Apr 8 with 3747 views | mylot50years |
On Wednesday night If one of our coaching staff of thousands, before dressing themselves into their green uniforms maybe take a moment to pin Clive's report on the exit door to the changing room to be seen before the team go out at Millwall. Nothing else needs to be said what they put us through on Saturday was embarrassment to all of those involved and must become a one off, anything resembling that shambles and the situation is going to get very ugly. | | | |
| Spot the difference, QPR annihilated at Norwich - Report on 07:56 - Apr 8 with 3518 views | jonno |
| Spot the difference, QPR annihilated at Norwich - Report on 02:34 - Apr 8 by mylot50years |
On Wednesday night If one of our coaching staff of thousands, before dressing themselves into their green uniforms maybe take a moment to pin Clive's report on the exit door to the changing room to be seen before the team go out at Millwall. Nothing else needs to be said what they put us through on Saturday was embarrassment to all of those involved and must become a one off, anything resembling that shambles and the situation is going to get very ugly. |
You'd like to think so, but I very much doubt the players would take any notice. Like the vast majority of overpaid footballers they are only interested in the money, and doing as little as they can get away with to get it. I've been saying all season, even when we were getting some good results, that our players stand off opponents and give them too much space, and very rarely actually attempt to tackle a player. Also, too often players are left to run without being tracked, or even marked properly at set pieces. The answer is that too many of them simply can't be bothered and now the majority of them have decided they have done enough for this season. And we as fans are far too lenient, happy to provide excuses for the players for yet another poor performance. When the results started to drop off after Christmas, it was due to McLaren picking the same players game after game, and they were "exhausted". How the fck can they be exhausted? They are supposed to be professional athletes at the peak of fitness - playing a couple of matches a week should not make them "exhausted". Norwich have had the same starting side for their last eight games and have won all of them. They don't appear to be exhausted. The simple fact is that the players believed they had done enough by Christmas and have downed tools since then, for a variety of reasons, laziness, wanted to avoid injury because they will need to be fit to get another club next year etc. The problem is that these days the players have all the power, they can't be sacked and basically they can get away with what they like. If they don't like a manager they can quite easily get him sacked as we have seen in the past. This puts the manager in an invidious position - he has to treat the players with kid gloves because his future very much depends on keeping them on his side. McLaren could clearly see what was going on but wouldn't call the players out for that very reason. In the end it didn't matter - they downed tools anyway. This is what football has come to. If you are on "only" £10 -£20k per week you still have the financial clout to just stop bothering - you'll get another contract at another club so "professional pride" no longer comes into it; you'll be happy to be dropped for a few months and not have to bother playing for the rest of your existing contract. [Post edited 8 Apr 2019 7:58]
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| Spot the difference, QPR annihilated at Norwich - Report on 09:08 - Apr 8 with 3366 views | PinnerPaul |
Anyone seriously think we would have been worse with McClaren on the bench? | | | |
| Spot the difference, QPR annihilated at Norwich - Report on 09:21 - Apr 8 with 3338 views | Northernr |
| Spot the difference, QPR annihilated at Norwich - Report on 09:08 - Apr 8 by PinnerPaul |
Anyone seriously think we would have been worse with McClaren on the bench? |
I just don't see the point in sacking him to leave Eustace in charge. May as well have left him there while commencing the search for a manager. |  | | |
| Spot the difference, QPR annihilated at Norwich - Report on 09:27 - Apr 8 with 3322 views | Northolt_Rs |
| Spot the difference, QPR annihilated at Norwich - Report on 09:21 - Apr 8 by Northernr |
I just don't see the point in sacking him to leave Eustace in charge. May as well have left him there while commencing the search for a manager. |
This. With 6 points from the last 45 he was always going to get the bullet....but surely the DOF etc had been preparing for this and we had somebody lined up as a Replacement? Apparently not. | |
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| Spot the difference, QPR annihilated at Norwich - Report on 09:39 - Apr 8 with 3294 views | TheChef |
| Spot the difference, QPR annihilated at Norwich - Report on 07:56 - Apr 8 by jonno |
You'd like to think so, but I very much doubt the players would take any notice. Like the vast majority of overpaid footballers they are only interested in the money, and doing as little as they can get away with to get it. I've been saying all season, even when we were getting some good results, that our players stand off opponents and give them too much space, and very rarely actually attempt to tackle a player. Also, too often players are left to run without being tracked, or even marked properly at set pieces. The answer is that too many of them simply can't be bothered and now the majority of them have decided they have done enough for this season. And we as fans are far too lenient, happy to provide excuses for the players for yet another poor performance. When the results started to drop off after Christmas, it was due to McLaren picking the same players game after game, and they were "exhausted". How the fck can they be exhausted? They are supposed to be professional athletes at the peak of fitness - playing a couple of matches a week should not make them "exhausted". Norwich have had the same starting side for their last eight games and have won all of them. They don't appear to be exhausted. The simple fact is that the players believed they had done enough by Christmas and have downed tools since then, for a variety of reasons, laziness, wanted to avoid injury because they will need to be fit to get another club next year etc. The problem is that these days the players have all the power, they can't be sacked and basically they can get away with what they like. If they don't like a manager they can quite easily get him sacked as we have seen in the past. This puts the manager in an invidious position - he has to treat the players with kid gloves because his future very much depends on keeping them on his side. McLaren could clearly see what was going on but wouldn't call the players out for that very reason. In the end it didn't matter - they downed tools anyway. This is what football has come to. If you are on "only" £10 -£20k per week you still have the financial clout to just stop bothering - you'll get another contract at another club so "professional pride" no longer comes into it; you'll be happy to be dropped for a few months and not have to bother playing for the rest of your existing contract. [Post edited 8 Apr 2019 7:58]
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Well said Jonno. I think this really is the main issue, and when you have a team that is doing well it's easy to keep everyone onside. But when results go south and you find yourself with a strategy/squad that is largely reliant on loanees and a large number of players out of contract with no clear vested interest, the cracks become very big indeed.
On the contracts side, you do have to wonder about the club management how they allowed so many 'key' players (ahem) to be up for a renewal at the same time? You'd think there must be a better way to manage this? |  |
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| Spot the difference, QPR annihilated at Norwich - Report on 09:44 - Apr 8 with 3278 views | enfieldargh |
With only weeks left of the season and plenty of teams unsure of their positions next season I can only assume they have their eyes on several options but until next season is defined then then hands are tied.
Both Barnsley & Portsmouth managers could either gain promotion or remain in DIV 1, then we have more options etc
Eustace obviously is son of Steve and can only base his choices on being a subordinate to SMc, get rid and as mentioned get Birch in to see out the last few games. These guys need inspiration and most if not all know MB |  |
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| Spot the difference, QPR annihilated at Norwich - Report on 10:03 - Apr 8 with 3231 views | daveB |
| Spot the difference, QPR annihilated at Norwich - Report on 09:08 - Apr 8 by PinnerPaul |
Anyone seriously think we would have been worse with McClaren on the bench? |
I don't think it would have been any different so for that reason I'm glad they sacked him | | | |
| Spot the difference, QPR annihilated at Norwich - Report on 10:10 - Apr 8 with 3217 views | terryb |
| Spot the difference, QPR annihilated at Norwich - Report on 09:27 - Apr 8 by Northolt_Rs |
This. With 6 points from the last 45 he was always going to get the bullet....but surely the DOF etc had been preparing for this and we had somebody lined up as a Replacement? Apparently not. |
Had somebody lined up?
You've seen the list of unemployed managers that are immediately available & not one of them should be approached!
If a stop gap caretaker manager is what you had in mind, then I would have some sympathy with you.
Mind you, it shouldn't matter who was in charge on Saturday, the players lack of industry was inexcusable! | | | |
| Spot the difference, QPR annihilated at Norwich - Report on 10:52 - Apr 8 with 3110 views | blacky200 |
| Spot the difference, QPR annihilated at Norwich - Report on 09:27 - Apr 8 by Northolt_Rs |
This. With 6 points from the last 45 he was always going to get the bullet....but surely the DOF etc had been preparing for this and we had somebody lined up as a Replacement? Apparently not. |
But getting a manager at this stage of the season has got to be bloody difficult. Anyone decent will be in a job, anyone who is half decent looking to get back into management will surely want to wait till the end of the season to eye up the best jobs available. We are in now way going to be in the best job available category. Plus take into account we have had something like 20 odd managers in the same amount of years, have no money available, still need to cut our wages budget and will mainly have to rely on the youngsters here and coming back from loan to do the business for us next year. |  | | |
| Spot the difference, QPR annihilated at Norwich - Report on 11:56 - Apr 8 with 2985 views | PinnerPaul |
| Spot the difference, QPR annihilated at Norwich - Report on 09:21 - Apr 8 by Northernr |
I just don't see the point in sacking him to leave Eustace in charge. May as well have left him there while commencing the search for a manager. |
Yep - with you on that one. | | | |
| Spot the difference, QPR annihilated at Norwich - Report on 11:57 - Apr 8 with 2978 views | bosh67 |
Don't worry. Some lad we've never heard of is coming over from Europe and the best thing on his wiki page is that he went to a club fighting relegation and was unable to stop them going down. Sounds just the ticket!! |  |
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| Spot the difference, QPR annihilated at Norwich - Report on 11:59 - Apr 8 with 2975 views | PinnerPaul |
| Spot the difference, QPR annihilated at Norwich - Report on 10:03 - Apr 8 by daveB |
I don't think it would have been any different so for that reason I'm glad they sacked him |
Impossible to tell Dave obviously, but you can't tell me you're sitting there thinking, 'Good , we've got a much better chance of staying up now'
For that reason, just seems a waste of time/money at best and could actually result in relegation at worse. | | | |
| Spot the difference, QPR annihilated at Norwich - Report on 12:12 - Apr 8 with 2939 views | dolcelatte |
| Spot the difference, QPR annihilated at Norwich - Report on 11:57 - Apr 8 by bosh67 |
Don't worry. Some lad we've never heard of is coming over from Europe and the best thing on his wiki page is that he went to a club fighting relegation and was unable to stop them going down. Sounds just the ticket!! |
Sounds like Ollie's Wiki after the first season he was here. |  |
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| Spot the difference, QPR annihilated at Norwich - Report on 13:03 - Apr 8 with 2823 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Spot the difference, QPR annihilated at Norwich - Report on 07:56 - Apr 8 by jonno |
You'd like to think so, but I very much doubt the players would take any notice. Like the vast majority of overpaid footballers they are only interested in the money, and doing as little as they can get away with to get it. I've been saying all season, even when we were getting some good results, that our players stand off opponents and give them too much space, and very rarely actually attempt to tackle a player. Also, too often players are left to run without being tracked, or even marked properly at set pieces. The answer is that too many of them simply can't be bothered and now the majority of them have decided they have done enough for this season. And we as fans are far too lenient, happy to provide excuses for the players for yet another poor performance. When the results started to drop off after Christmas, it was due to McLaren picking the same players game after game, and they were "exhausted". How the fck can they be exhausted? They are supposed to be professional athletes at the peak of fitness - playing a couple of matches a week should not make them "exhausted". Norwich have had the same starting side for their last eight games and have won all of them. They don't appear to be exhausted. The simple fact is that the players believed they had done enough by Christmas and have downed tools since then, for a variety of reasons, laziness, wanted to avoid injury because they will need to be fit to get another club next year etc. The problem is that these days the players have all the power, they can't be sacked and basically they can get away with what they like. If they don't like a manager they can quite easily get him sacked as we have seen in the past. This puts the manager in an invidious position - he has to treat the players with kid gloves because his future very much depends on keeping them on his side. McLaren could clearly see what was going on but wouldn't call the players out for that very reason. In the end it didn't matter - they downed tools anyway. This is what football has come to. If you are on "only" £10 -£20k per week you still have the financial clout to just stop bothering - you'll get another contract at another club so "professional pride" no longer comes into it; you'll be happy to be dropped for a few months and not have to bother playing for the rest of your existing contract. [Post edited 8 Apr 2019 7:58]
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Feel your pain Jonno, but can'#t really agree about the players being tired bit. The idea that pro athletes don't or can't get tired is a weird concept. A boxer won't be doing hardcore training in the days leading up to a fight in order to conserve energy. An athlete will build up to peak fitness before an Olympics - not continually gun it right up until the starting pistol. And players playing Sat-Tue, Sat-Tue (and more over Xmas) will get tired - mentally and physically. And even if they aren't 'exhausted' as such, if they're playing a team that has more sensibly rotated the squad so that players are fresher, they will be 'exhausted' in comparison to their opponents. People will say 'we didn't rotate in the old days' - but that's the point - or isn't the point? - because no one did, so it's an irrelevant comparison.
Norwich is a better comparison but two things really: mentally, it's easier to play when you're confident and winning - it's foolhardy to rule out the mental aspect. Secondly, they've played eight games between 16th Feb and 6th April - just one of those was midweek. In comparison, we played eight times between 2nd Feb and 26th Feb; five times between 22nd Dec and 6th Jan. Some players did get rested for the Cup game - but not important ones who were clearly in need of it like Freeman and Eze.
You might be right about laziness and downing tools - I don't know if that's the case - feels a bit of an easy and comfortable assumption to me, when it's a lot more complex. I see a team that played really quite well through the autumn. Was motivated for the FA Cup. That suffered some really tough setbacks and some unfortunate results they didn't really deserve. That was not rotated properly to keep key players fresher. And finally a team that due to a whole series of things (rotation, unfortunate late results, some sloppiness, and playing the best sides in the division in one glut of games) completely lost its confidence. And then, finally, and more recently, I'd agree, a team with players who have not remotely played to required standards.
To say ' The simple fact is that the players believed they had done enough by Christmas and have downed tools since then' is wrong because it's not a fact - it's your interpretation of events. The players certainly didn't down tools in numerous games in Jan and Feb. Played well in the cup games, were excellent second half v Birmingham, did a good job at Bristol etc. I think it's more of a case of a horrible rut they haven't been able to lift themselves out of. And now, they won't. |  |
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| Spot the difference, QPR annihilated at Norwich - Report on 13:25 - Apr 8 with 2757 views | ManinBlack |
It just seems odd to sack a manager with no replacement lined up, especially before two tough away games at Norwich and Millwall where we usually struggle anyway. We might have been slightly more organised and competitive with a so called proper manager, albeit as it was a Saturday we would still not win. A scarecrow couldn't have done much worse from the bench than what we had present.
It was like watching a re-run of the 4-0 on a fairly recent Carrow Road visit. We seem to specialise in them as we had the same disinterested approach on our final two Premiership away games when we shipped 11 goals for fun. It doesn't matter who the manager or players are, we seem to throw up these kind of non performances every season. This was of more concern as there are still half a dozen games left and there are points to be won unlike the others which were the last games and nothing much left to play for.
Eustace was right in that there was a positive and that is we only conceded four as it really should have been a lot more. |  | | |
| Spot the difference, QPR annihilated at Norwich - Report on 13:26 - Apr 8 with 2756 views | daveB |
| Spot the difference, QPR annihilated at Norwich - Report on 11:59 - Apr 8 by PinnerPaul |
Impossible to tell Dave obviously, but you can't tell me you're sitting there thinking, 'Good , we've got a much better chance of staying up now'
For that reason, just seems a waste of time/money at best and could actually result in relegation at worse. |
I think we were playing awful under McClaren he deserved the boot, losing the next game hasn't change that. I'd rather see the club make a change and do something about it rather than just stick with something that wasn't working | | | |
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