| Devils Advocate 10:13 - Mar 12 with 1994 views | CFW |
Not a massive poster on here but spend a lot of time reading other people's opinions and I totally get and understand the frustration along with the negative comments posted over the last few weeks.
No doubt we have been god awful, no shape, unable to defend, unable to pass a ball to our own players from 6 yards, never look like scoring the list goes on and on . . . .
If we go back a while I am not saying all but the majority of us thought we had improved our squad significantly with the addition of Kone, Hayden, Poku and RND. That along with Chair being fit, Smyth, Vale, Saito (mixed opinions), Mbengue and finally Edwards. Not to forget Burrell who was a total surprise and has been excellent. With talk of JCS being fit and Madsen suddenly becoming a very good player hopes for the season was high.
Our biggest issue has been keeping our best players on the bloody pitch!!!! We saw last night with the introduction of a couple of players bought on how we improved. It is quite right to dig out underperforming players, as supporters we have every right to do so but as bad as Walsh is as a goalkeeper the way he has been treated along with the other two is deplorable. Kone is still very much learning his trade, has been pushed to his limit, without Chair to help hold the ball up and Burrell to support him his form has suffered.
So while I am as frustrated as everyone else my point is the unavailability of key players for long periods of this season is, in my view the key to our problems. Again on balance, I also think it is a joke to have Williams anywhere near our players.
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| Devils Advocate on 10:36 - Mar 12 with 1864 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
Far too simplistic a view for me.
Of course the injuries are a problem but it doesn't end there. There are rumours of serious discontent behind the scenes. Most seem to revolve around our Director of Performance. There are rumours some players are so dissatisfied with their training and preparation they've employed their own trainers or left the club or both. Of course you don't have to believe rumours but there's a heck of a lot of smoke about the place and has been for a couple of years.
It's not as simple as 'getting players back'. We've had Varane and Saito back and they're arguably both in the worst form of their careers at the moment. I'd put that down to poor physical preparation and / or a lack of confidence in their bodies.
We started the season AGAIN like an oil tanker in a speed boat race. Looked dreadfully ill prepared and physically inferior to our opponents for at least a month.
There have been some promising recruitment signs I shan't deny that but before the farcical injuries hit a lot of us already had large concerns about the shape and depth of the squad. Thin in both full back positions, thin in creativity. Thick in lightweight runners that depend on physical mismatches to excel.
It's fair to question whether we have enough know-how and character throughout the squad. Don't make me bring up Clint Hill and Shaun Derry. Whoops I just did. The only player in this entire squad I'd class as having genuine congnitive fortitude would be Cook. And we started the season by whipping his captaincy away.
We all sat and observed our club publicly fall out and bicker with our head coach at the end of last season. It was embarassing.
We still have information withheld. Nobody knows where Chair is, he appears to have vanished. And some of the information we are given is misleading at best and outright lies at worst. We were told condescendingly last year that we probably will start seasons slowly so that our squad is better prepared for the second half and last quarter of the season. How the fck is that playing out? We were miles off it at the start and we're further off it now.
Consider all that and tell me this is just a bump in the road or a blip and that great times are just around the corner. For me it's far more likely that these runs that we seem woefully prone to are the real reflection of what it's like playing for this club as a whole. The better times we've seen is the overperformance. The norm is this crap. [Post edited 12 Mar 10:37]
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| Devils Advocate on 10:37 - Mar 12 with 1861 views | bongo_king |
Agree some of the signings looked good at the time (and even if they haven't worked out yet like Poku they are understandable risk-reward). But at the same time, there have been signings which seem poor, whether arguably gratuitous (Saito - called it at the time, like the guy and rated him off last season but not a priority position to spend 2-3m on... Edwards has also been flagged as gratuitous), Obikwu (how can you sign a replacement which is injured?), or very likely not up to standard (choose from your southern hemisphere signings).
Importantly the whole model has fallen down this season because either players are injured, or they are not improving. Apart from Madsen, no one is looking better than they did last season (notably Morgan, Morrison and Kolli); as someone raised elsewhere, dev squad results have not been great; and it's not like we have young players out on loan getting great experience, beyond Cooper.
Against that background I think we're in a tough spot.. we've spent a lot of money and it's tough to find a player we'd manage to sell for more than we paid for them. The buy to sell model relies on fast rotation... and that cannot support seasons like we've just had. | | | |
| Devils Advocate on 10:49 - Mar 12 with 1765 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Devils Advocate on 10:36 - Mar 12 by Padulas_Shampoo |
Far too simplistic a view for me.
Of course the injuries are a problem but it doesn't end there. There are rumours of serious discontent behind the scenes. Most seem to revolve around our Director of Performance. There are rumours some players are so dissatisfied with their training and preparation they've employed their own trainers or left the club or both. Of course you don't have to believe rumours but there's a heck of a lot of smoke about the place and has been for a couple of years.
It's not as simple as 'getting players back'. We've had Varane and Saito back and they're arguably both in the worst form of their careers at the moment. I'd put that down to poor physical preparation and / or a lack of confidence in their bodies.
We started the season AGAIN like an oil tanker in a speed boat race. Looked dreadfully ill prepared and physically inferior to our opponents for at least a month.
There have been some promising recruitment signs I shan't deny that but before the farcical injuries hit a lot of us already had large concerns about the shape and depth of the squad. Thin in both full back positions, thin in creativity. Thick in lightweight runners that depend on physical mismatches to excel.
It's fair to question whether we have enough know-how and character throughout the squad. Don't make me bring up Clint Hill and Shaun Derry. Whoops I just did. The only player in this entire squad I'd class as having genuine congnitive fortitude would be Cook. And we started the season by whipping his captaincy away.
We all sat and observed our club publicly fall out and bicker with our head coach at the end of last season. It was embarassing.
We still have information withheld. Nobody knows where Chair is, he appears to have vanished. And some of the information we are given is misleading at best and outright lies at worst. We were told condescendingly last year that we probably will start seasons slowly so that our squad is better prepared for the second half and last quarter of the season. How the fck is that playing out? We were miles off it at the start and we're further off it now.
Consider all that and tell me this is just a bump in the road or a blip and that great times are just around the corner. For me it's far more likely that these runs that we seem woefully prone to are the real reflection of what it's like playing for this club as a whole. The better times we've seen is the overperformance. The norm is this crap. [Post edited 12 Mar 10:37]
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I wouldn't want to put the OP off posting, and he raised some points. However, Padula, your reply is absolutely 100% 'kin spot on!
The problems with the Rangers start and finish where they have for the last 30 years: the boardroom! [Post edited 12 Mar 10:51]
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| Devils Advocate on 10:57 - Mar 12 with 1703 views | themodfather |
what are our physios doing?
we need fresh legs asap the team is tired. right now we are toothless, slow, jaded, no tackling, no leaders, who is getting stuck in? winning the midfield battles? letting the oppo know this is a game and we are in it?
tinkering, changing is modern , all the fuss over spurs subbing goalie what do ours feel when 2 are left outcast as goals fly in?
3 or 4 back to squad, fit and maybe we can salvage our confidence, get over 50pts and secure mid table asap. | | | |
| Devils Advocate on 11:10 - Mar 12 with 1637 views | ozexile |
| Devils Advocate on 10:36 - Mar 12 by Padulas_Shampoo |
Far too simplistic a view for me.
Of course the injuries are a problem but it doesn't end there. There are rumours of serious discontent behind the scenes. Most seem to revolve around our Director of Performance. There are rumours some players are so dissatisfied with their training and preparation they've employed their own trainers or left the club or both. Of course you don't have to believe rumours but there's a heck of a lot of smoke about the place and has been for a couple of years.
It's not as simple as 'getting players back'. We've had Varane and Saito back and they're arguably both in the worst form of their careers at the moment. I'd put that down to poor physical preparation and / or a lack of confidence in their bodies.
We started the season AGAIN like an oil tanker in a speed boat race. Looked dreadfully ill prepared and physically inferior to our opponents for at least a month.
There have been some promising recruitment signs I shan't deny that but before the farcical injuries hit a lot of us already had large concerns about the shape and depth of the squad. Thin in both full back positions, thin in creativity. Thick in lightweight runners that depend on physical mismatches to excel.
It's fair to question whether we have enough know-how and character throughout the squad. Don't make me bring up Clint Hill and Shaun Derry. Whoops I just did. The only player in this entire squad I'd class as having genuine congnitive fortitude would be Cook. And we started the season by whipping his captaincy away.
We all sat and observed our club publicly fall out and bicker with our head coach at the end of last season. It was embarassing.
We still have information withheld. Nobody knows where Chair is, he appears to have vanished. And some of the information we are given is misleading at best and outright lies at worst. We were told condescendingly last year that we probably will start seasons slowly so that our squad is better prepared for the second half and last quarter of the season. How the fck is that playing out? We were miles off it at the start and we're further off it now.
Consider all that and tell me this is just a bump in the road or a blip and that great times are just around the corner. For me it's far more likely that these runs that we seem woefully prone to are the real reflection of what it's like playing for this club as a whole. The better times we've seen is the overperformance. The norm is this crap. [Post edited 12 Mar 10:37]
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Genuine question but who are you referring to? We have so many heads, methodology, player welfare etc. A DOF who is also CEO allegedly.
I don't know who does what? | | | |
| Devils Advocate on 11:11 - Mar 12 with 1625 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Devils Advocate on 11:10 - Mar 12 by ozexile |
Genuine question but who are you referring to? We have so many heads, methodology, player welfare etc. A DOF who is also CEO allegedly.
I don't know who does what? |
https://www.qpr.co.uk/teams/fi | | | |
| Devils Advocate on 13:07 - Mar 12 with 1247 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Devils Advocate on 11:59 - Mar 12 by CFW |
I was not suggesting that having missing players was the sole cause of or problems and 100% agree with the comments you make, what I was saying is based on facts, we have had lots of key players out injured long term.
I am not a fan of rumours but again I do accept key people at our club has made it impossible to trust what is going on behind closed doors at the club.
Having Varane and Saito back is a positive but again I agree their form has been awful, I would be more hopeful if the likes of Chair, Burrell, Madsen were back alongside them.
I was not in anyway suggesting good times were around the corner but just trying to put things into perspective. Perhaps our biggest problem is cannot see things changing anytime soon and that is a serious worry.
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Sorry if that came across as me having a go at you mate! Just very frustrated at the moment as you can tell and as we all obviously are.
It's a good post and thanks for sharing. You R's! | | | |
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| Devils Advocate on 13:50 - Mar 12 with 1085 views | CFW |
| Devils Advocate on 13:07 - Mar 12 by Padulas_Shampoo |
Sorry if that came across as me having a go at you mate! Just very frustrated at the moment as you can tell and as we all obviously are.
It's a good post and thanks for sharing. You R's! |
Did not come across to me as having a go in any way, shape or form. As you rightly say we feel each others pain and frustration. Just clutching at straws I guess  | | | |
| Devils Advocate on 13:52 - Mar 12 with 1078 views | mart_Goblin |
| Devils Advocate on 10:36 - Mar 12 by Padulas_Shampoo |
Far too simplistic a view for me.
Of course the injuries are a problem but it doesn't end there. There are rumours of serious discontent behind the scenes. Most seem to revolve around our Director of Performance. There are rumours some players are so dissatisfied with their training and preparation they've employed their own trainers or left the club or both. Of course you don't have to believe rumours but there's a heck of a lot of smoke about the place and has been for a couple of years.
It's not as simple as 'getting players back'. We've had Varane and Saito back and they're arguably both in the worst form of their careers at the moment. I'd put that down to poor physical preparation and / or a lack of confidence in their bodies.
We started the season AGAIN like an oil tanker in a speed boat race. Looked dreadfully ill prepared and physically inferior to our opponents for at least a month.
There have been some promising recruitment signs I shan't deny that but before the farcical injuries hit a lot of us already had large concerns about the shape and depth of the squad. Thin in both full back positions, thin in creativity. Thick in lightweight runners that depend on physical mismatches to excel.
It's fair to question whether we have enough know-how and character throughout the squad. Don't make me bring up Clint Hill and Shaun Derry. Whoops I just did. The only player in this entire squad I'd class as having genuine congnitive fortitude would be Cook. And we started the season by whipping his captaincy away.
We all sat and observed our club publicly fall out and bicker with our head coach at the end of last season. It was embarassing.
We still have information withheld. Nobody knows where Chair is, he appears to have vanished. And some of the information we are given is misleading at best and outright lies at worst. We were told condescendingly last year that we probably will start seasons slowly so that our squad is better prepared for the second half and last quarter of the season. How the fck is that playing out? We were miles off it at the start and we're further off it now.
Consider all that and tell me this is just a bump in the road or a blip and that great times are just around the corner. For me it's far more likely that these runs that we seem woefully prone to are the real reflection of what it's like playing for this club as a whole. The better times we've seen is the overperformance. The norm is this crap. [Post edited 12 Mar 10:37]
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Agree with the sentiment of PH 100% and that the OP makes good points of course.
But that’s a tremendous post Padula.
I think that sums up perfectly how a lot of people on this board feel . It does me anyway .
So much wrong . So many questions to be asked whether we emerge this season from this slump or not. |  | | |
| Devils Advocate on 15:07 - Mar 12 with 929 views | TheChef |
| Devils Advocate on 13:52 - Mar 12 by mart_Goblin |
Agree with the sentiment of PH 100% and that the OP makes good points of course.
But that’s a tremendous post Padula.
I think that sums up perfectly how a lot of people on this board feel . It does me anyway .
So much wrong . So many questions to be asked whether we emerge this season from this slump or not. |
Things can change very quickly though (as per in The Four Year Plan).
You just need to get an adult in the room (Warnock) and people above him who can put their egos aside and let him get on with the job. Bhatia and Sakhsena successfully did that, to be fair they weren't too much older than Nourry but it seems they had empathy and the people skills too. |  |
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| Devils Advocate on 15:48 - Mar 12 with 808 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Devils Advocate on 15:07 - Mar 12 by TheChef |
Things can change very quickly though (as per in The Four Year Plan).
You just need to get an adult in the room (Warnock) and people above him who can put their egos aside and let him get on with the job. Bhatia and Sakhsena successfully did that, to be fair they weren't too much older than Nourry but it seems they had empathy and the people skills too. |
I think this is a good and important point. You can change the smell of the place in one afternoon if you get a professional involved that doesn't suffer chancers and charlatans. As plenty of others have said in plenty of threads - a fresh football CEO and a genuine 'football man' DOF could completely change the look and feel of the place overnight. | | | |
| Devils Advocate on 16:52 - Mar 12 with 676 views | lightwaterhoop |
I went to watch Wealdstone in the National League on tuesday night and saw them beat Tamworth 3-2 in a close hard fought game.Most of the Wealdstone players are playing on Saturdays and midweek as well many of them have played over 30 games this season already and yet on Tuesday they were working their socks off and competing for everything on their very big pitch.They all looked as fit as a fiddle.I just don't see the same thing when i'm watching Rangers and really can't understand why. | | | |
| Devils Advocate on 16:58 - Mar 12 with 647 views | Benny_the_Ball |
I wasn't excited by some of those signings as they weren't what the team actually needed. Moreover, if you sign players with a track record of injury, don't be surprised if they get injured. Availability is the best ability. |  | | |
| Devils Advocate on 19:13 - Mar 12 with 464 views | mart_Goblin |
| Devils Advocate on 15:07 - Mar 12 by TheChef |
Things can change very quickly though (as per in The Four Year Plan).
You just need to get an adult in the room (Warnock) and people above him who can put their egos aside and let him get on with the job. Bhatia and Sakhsena successfully did that, to be fair they weren't too much older than Nourry but it seems they had empathy and the people skills too. |
Really great point, well made | | | |
| Devils Advocate on 20:12 - Mar 12 with 346 views | ManinBlack |
Perhaps we need a mid season break like in some countries to get our delicate flowers back to fitness. Very unfair to make us play through the winter without 8 of our players.
What we need to do is to take on everyone at Bodo Glimt. They have better owners, better players, a better manager and are run so much better as a club. It looks as though this small community club are going to reach the last 8 of the Champions League |  | | |
| Devils Advocate on 20:23 - Mar 12 with 319 views | 1JD |
| Devils Advocate on 10:36 - Mar 12 by Padulas_Shampoo |
Far too simplistic a view for me.
Of course the injuries are a problem but it doesn't end there. There are rumours of serious discontent behind the scenes. Most seem to revolve around our Director of Performance. There are rumours some players are so dissatisfied with their training and preparation they've employed their own trainers or left the club or both. Of course you don't have to believe rumours but there's a heck of a lot of smoke about the place and has been for a couple of years.
It's not as simple as 'getting players back'. We've had Varane and Saito back and they're arguably both in the worst form of their careers at the moment. I'd put that down to poor physical preparation and / or a lack of confidence in their bodies.
We started the season AGAIN like an oil tanker in a speed boat race. Looked dreadfully ill prepared and physically inferior to our opponents for at least a month.
There have been some promising recruitment signs I shan't deny that but before the farcical injuries hit a lot of us already had large concerns about the shape and depth of the squad. Thin in both full back positions, thin in creativity. Thick in lightweight runners that depend on physical mismatches to excel.
It's fair to question whether we have enough know-how and character throughout the squad. Don't make me bring up Clint Hill and Shaun Derry. Whoops I just did. The only player in this entire squad I'd class as having genuine congnitive fortitude would be Cook. And we started the season by whipping his captaincy away.
We all sat and observed our club publicly fall out and bicker with our head coach at the end of last season. It was embarassing.
We still have information withheld. Nobody knows where Chair is, he appears to have vanished. And some of the information we are given is misleading at best and outright lies at worst. We were told condescendingly last year that we probably will start seasons slowly so that our squad is better prepared for the second half and last quarter of the season. How the fck is that playing out? We were miles off it at the start and we're further off it now.
Consider all that and tell me this is just a bump in the road or a blip and that great times are just around the corner. For me it's far more likely that these runs that we seem woefully prone to are the real reflection of what it's like playing for this club as a whole. The better times we've seen is the overperformance. The norm is this crap. [Post edited 12 Mar 10:37]
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