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var 22:07 - Jun 19 with 2629 views

just watched scots v argies pen retaken how can a keeper notmove forward when going to save a pen
var is ruining football

var on 22:12 - Jun 19 with 2615 views

TW_R

Isn’t it the law that keeper can’t move off the line ruining the game, not VAR?

var on 22:14 - Jun 19 with 2610 views

stowmarketrange

var on 22:12 - Jun 19 by TW_R
Isn’t it the law that keeper can’t move off the line ruining the game, not VAR?

It isn’t normally enforced though because the assistant ref can’t or won’t make the decision.VAR takes that option away from them.

var on 22:21 - Jun 19 with 2566 views

Toast_R

They blew a 3-0 lead, they deserved to go home.

var on 22:22 - Jun 19 with 2559 views

Juzzie

It’s not that they can’t move forward, just that they cant do so until the the ball is kicked.

var on 22:27 - Jun 19 with 2541 views

davman

var on 22:14 - Jun 19 by stowmarketrange
It isn’t normally enforced though because the assistant ref can’t or won’t make the decision.VAR takes that option away from them.

Yep, there has been a couple which would have been OK in the past. Are they looking at encroachment as well as that is NEVER upheld as we know - see Nakhi Wells v Brum for evidence of that.

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var on 22:44 - Jun 19 with 2496 views

stowmarketrange

var on 22:27 - Jun 19 by davman
Yep, there has been a couple which would have been OK in the past. Are they looking at encroachment as well as that is NEVER upheld as we know - see Nakhi Wells v Brum for evidence of that.

They should order a retake if a pen is missed and there are defenders encroaching.But will it work the other way if a pen is scored and there are attacking players in the box?
It could take a long time to finish games with var.

var on 23:23 - Jun 19 with 2442 views

DeepcutHoop

var on 22:44 - Jun 19 by stowmarketrange
They should order a retake if a pen is missed and there are defenders encroaching.But will it work the other way if a pen is scored and there are attacking players in the box? It could take a long time to finish games with var.

France's penalty against Nigeria was worse, a a very suspect decision.

Renard missed the goal completely, but the keeper was a couple of inches off the line at the moment she took it, so it got retaken. French encroachment ignored though.

No surpprise it was scored on the second attempt. FIFA playing favourites again...

At least the Scotland one was retaken after she got a save in by overstepping.

var on 23:45 - Jun 19 with 2421 views

daveB

The rule is daft but to over turn that save by VAR is laughable, thats not what it's supposed to be in for, honestly it is going to kill the game in this current format they seem to be making it up as they go along

var on 01:14 - Jun 20 with 2373 views

timcocking

It's a fcuking farce. Absolute fcuking farce. Using far too many cliches nowadays, but, once again, you couldn't fcuking make it up.

var on 07:29 - Jun 20 with 2264 views

Clive_Anderson

VAR provides the answer to the question "Wouldn't it be great if every law of the game was applied precisely even for absolutely tiny infringements?".

No.

var on 07:42 - Jun 20 with 2241 views

Rs_Holy

var on 23:45 - Jun 19 by daveB
The rule is daft but to over turn that save by VAR is laughable, thats not what it's supposed to be in for, honestly it is going to kill the game in this current format they seem to be making it up as they go along

spot on!... We'll get to the point where fans will no longer celebrate a goal or penalty save because of the inevitble VAR review.
It works brillianlty in cricket, its pretty good in rugby but football is being ruined by it.
Lets use it properly ie book players for diving, reverse only major mistakes by the ref/lino.

[Post edited 20 Jun 2019 8:44]

var on 07:52 - Jun 20 with 2229 views

davman

var on 07:42 - Jun 20 by Rs_Holy
spot on!... We'll get to the point where fans will no longer celebrate a goal or penalty save because of the inevitble VAR review. It works brillianlty in cricket, its pretty good in rugby but football is being ruined by it. Lets use it properly ie book players for diving, reverse only major mistakes by the ref/lino. [Post edited 20 Jun 2019 8:44]

...and this was always the danger of VAR. If you can't make a decision in 10 seconds, the refs one stands should be the rule.

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var on 08:12 - Jun 20 with 2196 views

RblockPrior

I personally hate VAR, takes so much enjoyment out of the game imo. Unfortunately it is here to stay

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var on 08:16 - Jun 20 with 2186 views

BlackCrowe

I hate VAR. There, i've said it. Goal line cameras fine and possibly at a stretch VAR to see if foul was inside box or outside, but that's it.

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var on 08:43 - Jun 20 with 2150 views

Clive_Anderson

I can't wait for goalkeepers to get sent off for coming 2mm off their line twice in penalty shoot-outs.

VAR is ok if it is applied to clear and obvious errors. Dive for penalties, goals that are miles offside and clear fouls are fair enough. Shaun Derry at Man Utd or the hand of God type of errors.

It shouldn't be for the ball brushing the hand after being blasted at them from 2 foot resulting in a penalty or some innocuous foul 30 seconds before a goal meaning it gets disallowed.

var on 09:57 - Jun 20 with 2089 views

smegma

var on 22:27 - Jun 19 by davman
Yep, there has been a couple which would have been OK in the past. Are they looking at encroachment as well as that is NEVER upheld as we know - see Nakhi Wells v Brum for evidence of that.

But the laws are different for QPR.

-1

var on 11:41 - Jun 20 with 2005 views

Addinall

As I've said elsewhere what has happened to "clear and obvious error ?"
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It is a long time ago but when I played BOTH feet had to be on the line. So currently the keeper has a better chance with allowing one foot to move.

I have been complaining for a long time now when seeing saves made two to three yards off the line and allowed.

The word PENALTY means the team committing the foul should be at a disadvantage. The old law was right and keepers should not expect any leniency if they fail to comply with the new one.

However micro managing by VAR to fractions of an inch or millimetres is ludicrous.
Clear and obvious error makes sense.

var on 12:22 - Jun 20 with 1950 views

TheChef

var on 07:42 - Jun 20 by Rs_Holy
spot on!... We'll get to the point where fans will no longer celebrate a goal or penalty save because of the inevitble VAR review. It works brillianlty in cricket, its pretty good in rugby but football is being ruined by it. Lets use it properly ie book players for diving, reverse only major mistakes by the ref/lino. [Post edited 20 Jun 2019 8:44]

Use goal line technology where there is a clear decision one way or the other. That's it.

For everything else go back to how it was, decisions tend to even themselves out. Unless you're QPR.

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var on 16:11 - Jun 20 with 1815 views

PinnerPaul

Interestingly the PL are NOT going to use monitors . nor will VAR be used to judge GK movement.

Most wanted VAR - you can't say you want to correct referee 'errors' and then moan when they are!

Was always going to be like this. I've said it before on threads about referees - if a game of football was refereed strictly to the laws of the game, you would walk out after 15 minutes.

That's the problem with VAR. As previous post said, should just be goal line technology and that's it but that's not 'what football wants' in FIFA PR spin language, BUT tbf I spent the whole of last season reading on here about refs need 'help' and all the PL managers wanted VAR and was championed by Mr Linekar everytime a 'mistake' was made.

You either accept that errors will be made or you go with VAR and all that brings!

Obviously I'm with Option 1 here!

var on 17:52 - Jun 20 with 1759 views

daveB

var on 16:11 - Jun 20 by PinnerPaul

Or you use the technology to enhance the game rather than ruin it.

Simple way to do it would be to have 30 seconds to over turn the decision, if they need more than 2 looks at it then they stick with on field decision, I'd also have it that both teams get reviews so we don't have every thing checked as some of the things being checked are laughable

var on 18:00 - Jun 20 with 1743 views

PinnerPaul

var on 17:52 - Jun 20 by daveB
Or you use the technology to enhance the game rather than ruin it. Simple way to do it would be to have 30 seconds to over turn the decision, if they need more than 2 looks at it then they stick with on field decision, I'd also have it that both teams get reviews so we don't have every thing checked as some of the things being checked are laughable

But then you're back to some 'wrong' decisions are corrected, some are not.

If you're going to have that, what's the point of VAR - may as well stick with the good old human, who will also make mistakes but not take forever about it.

As I said in the France v Nigeria thread, that penalty took EIGHT minutes to complete - a complete joke!

Agree about the time it takes, but as you and I know, they ARE using the best technology and reviews will always take time, so really can't see it speeding up.

PL decision to NOT use pitchside monitor will help, but that means in effect VAR is making some decisions, NOT the the on filed ref - another thing I'm dead against, as it means you effectively have two refs.

var on 18:06 - Jun 20 with 1733 views

DejR_vu

var on 17:52 - Jun 20 by daveB
Or you use the technology to enhance the game rather than ruin it. Simple way to do it would be to have 30 seconds to over turn the decision, if they need more than 2 looks at it then they stick with on field decision, I'd also have it that both teams get reviews so we don't have every thing checked as some of the things being checked are laughable

Agree. If there’s a problem with VAR it’s with the way it’s being used, not VAR itself.

If your car’s not running properly you get it fixed, you don’t throw your arms in the air, junk it and walk everywhere. If we gave up on everything new because it wasn’t perfect first time we’d still be living in caves.

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var on 19:21 - Jun 20 with 1677 views

terryb

var on 18:00 - Jun 20 by PinnerPaul

Who will the English clubs & media blame when VAR decisions in european competitions are different to what they have in the PL?

I can't understand how the PL think they can apply VAR differently to the rest of the world. Unless, of course, the PL & the Professional Referees Association (can't remember their actual title) regard themselves as being superior!

var on 20:42 - Jun 20 with 1638 views

daveB

var on 18:00 - Jun 20 by PinnerPaul

I'd be happy with some right some wrong, if both sides get say 2 appeals a game and they waste them then tough if a decision goes against them.

I think it can be speeded up, for me ones like that Callum Wilson goal the other week if it takes 10 looks at it by people in an office then a referee has to look as well it's not a clear cut foul and you stick with what the ref gave, if you look at something that many times you will find a problem

VAR can work but the way they have changed rules for handball and penalties make it far too pedantic for me and for each country to use VAR differently makes a mockery of it all.

var on 17:19 - Jun 21 with 1471 views

PinnerPaul

To add to the farce FIFA have applied to and IFAB have agreed that GKs, while still being penalised for moving off line (ie kick retaken) they will not be cautioned. This applies ONLY to kicks from the penalty mark, if scores are level.

They also say they will 'review' in the future.

Talk about making up as you go along & also not difficult to see this coming. Hopefully other VAR nonsense will be looked at/amended as well.

What a farce. Heard moaning that VAR should not have been 'introduced' for this tournament. That's a complete nonsense, as VAR in place around the world for a couple of years now.

Aussie ref on RefChat has been highlighting the 'issues' for a while now.

No point FIFA 'trialling' VAR in various places and then just carrying on with it regardless.

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