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Done at one end, Dunne at the other, QPR salvage a point – full match report
Done at one end, Dunne at the other, QPR salvage a point – full match report
Monday, 26th Sep 2011 00:41 by Clive Whittingham

A last minute own goal from Villa centre back Richard Dunne won a deserved point for QPR at Loftus Road on Sunday.

Often in football you’re left thinking you didn’t really get what you deserved. At Loftus Road on Sunday some did, and some didn’t.

Barry Bannan, for instance, deserved a goal. A little whispy haired fellow with a face like an ageing lighthouse keeper and the body of a hyper-active 12 year old, Bannan was Villa’s outstanding player by a country mile. He was inventive, ambitious, determined and skilful. QPR are familiar with him, having faced him during his clutch of loan spells in the Championship, but he looked a cut above that, and most of his team mates, in this performance. Few players deserved a goal more but Aston Villa on the whole didn’t deserve one, and they only got the Bannan strike because of a piss rank decision from the match referee.

Which brings me onto the people in charge of appointing our referees each week, who also got exactly what they deserved here. So far this season, and without wishing to get all high and mighty with you this was pointed out in the match preview, Michael Oliver has, for one reason or another, found himself almost constantly immersed in one controversial penalty decision after another. He’s given penalties that almost certainly weren’t and turned down those that definitely were. He turned West Ham v Leeds in the Championship into a farce and was rewarded for that with an appointment to referee Aston Villa at Everton where he again made a horrendous error over another penalty decision – not awarding a spot kick to Leighton Baines who was obviously hacked down but told to get to his feet. To repeat the same action and expect a different result is the definition of insanity – again they appointed him to a big match, again there were big decisions to make in both penalty areas, again he got them wrong.

QPR were below par. Joey Barton and Alejandro Faurlin, two of the stars of last week’s big win at Wolves, were crowded out of the game and conceded too much possession and we didn’t attack with the same purpose and threat as we had done in the last two games. Nevertheless a point was the least QPR deserved for their endeavour and they got it in stoppage time with Richard Dunne bundled an equaliser through his own net. Dunne has now done that nine times in his professional career – he was outstanding otherwise and didn’t deserve that fate but then, like I say, it was a day when some got their just deserts and others didn’t.

Before the game QPR were forced into making one change to the team that won so handsomely at Molineux. Danny Gabbidon left the field early a week ago with a jarred knee and he was ruled out for this game which meant a recall for Fitz Hall at centre half alongside Anton Ferdinand. Paddy Kenny was the goalkeeper behind them as usual with Armand Traore at left back and Luke Young on the right against his former club. Further forward Shaun Derry and Alejandro Faurlin anchored the midfield with Joey Barton, Adel Taarabt and Shaun Wright Phillips further forward. Jay Bothroyd kept his place at the pinnacle of the formation despite DJ Campbell coming on and scoring in the victory last week.

While QPR were perhaps a little spoilt for choice in attack the opposite was true of Aston Villa who went into this game without their record signing, England international Darren Bent. Emile Heskey was also missing, although that’s probably more of a blessing, and that meant that Alex McLeish set up with a single striker in a solid and negative 4-5-1 set up with the in form Gabriel Agbonlahor leading the line with three goals from his first five Premiership starts.

Aston Villa were unbeaten so far in the league this season coming into this game and sitting sixth in the league. However four of their five previous league games had been draws, they had lost badly to out of form Bolton in the midweek Carling Cup game and Alex McLeish, who wasn’t a popular appointment to begin with, was starting to become subject to some murmurings of discontent from the natives.

The educated guess before the game was that Villa would look to sit deep and keep things tight with the aim of counter attacking QPR using the pace of Agbonlahor and Charles N’Zogbia. Rangers meanwhile were expected to go for the jugular. That anticipated chess match didn’t seem much in evidence in the opening five minutes as both sides flew out of the traps in an end to end encounter that zipped along at a fair old whack. The early chances did go QPR’s way – Jay Bothroyd found the side netting with a deflected shot after two minutes and then Adel Taarabt cracked the outside of the post with a trademark long range curling effort that had Shay Given in the Villa goal scrambling forlornly across his line and grasping thin air.

Taarabt was at the heart of everything QPR did early in the game. He was the first of several home players to try his luck with a free kick on the edge of the Villa penalty area when Petrov was pulled up by the referee for a foul on Luke Young as Villa cleared a QPR corner. The Moroccan’s shot hit the wall and flew out of play for a corner that Taarabt then played short and wasted. Villa are a big side, and it’s understandable that QPR were therefore reluctant to sling over crosses from wide set pieces, but the quality of dead balls all afternoon from the Hoops was abject and must be worked on an improved.

Another chance came Taarabt’s way before the quarter hour when Shaun Derry was able to win back possession from N’Zogbia deep in the Villa half and set up Shaun Wright Phillips who had a shot blocked in the area and then watched as Taarabt was crowded out of the subsequent half chance on the edge of the six yard box.

Jay Bothroyd is the subject of growing discussion among the QPR fans at the moment. Nobody is faulting his effort levels or performances, which are both very high, but he continues to spurn good chances to score thereby undermining the other fine things he is doing in the lone striker role. This issue was highlighter perfectly before the 20 minute mark when first he turned beautifully in the left channel and delivered a devilish low cross into the six yard box where he really should have been himself. Then when Villa cleared a subsequent corner and fouled Taarabt wide on the right Joey Barton delivered a rare good free kick on Bothroyd guided the header wide despite meeting it first in the centre of the goal. Personally I’d persevere with Bothroyd who I believe is playing well, and played well again today, but he has to be more ruthless in front of goal.

Bothroyd was at the heart of the next decent QPR attack at the midway point of the half – nonchalantly flicking the ball into the path of Luke Young and then looking rather surprised when Young chose to play it back to him wide on the touchline when it seemed as if the full back had time and space to drive into the area against his former club. Nevertheless, back in possession, Bothroyd sent a high cross to the back post where Joey Barton miscued an effort on goal that he should have done better with despite the angle being against him.

On the half hour the pattern for poor set pieces started to develop into a trend – this time Barton worked his corner out to the edge of the box where Faurlin hopelessly skied a first time shot into the Villa fans behind the goal. Against Wolves last week, an unimaginative home side playing in rigid straight lines, Faurlin was magnificent but here against a much more defensive minded Villa side that packed the midfield he, and Joey Barton, struggled to exert influence.

As part of setting up not to get beaten, rather than to go out and win the game themselves, Aston Villa engaged in what could kindly be called systematic fouling in this game. By that I mean they were happy to take a yellow card to halt an attack and get everybody back in position, and they were happy to take a yellow card in any circumstances as long as they didn’t have one already and it disrupted QPR. The first such cynical hack to draw a card actually came from the first Villa corner of the afternoon – awarded eight minutes before half time and cheered ironically by the increasingly grumpy but very loud away fans. QPR cleared it and broke quickly in a counter attack that saw first Taarabt hacked to the ground, and then Barton resulting in a yellow card for Stephen Warnock. It’s very easy to commit a foul like that and accept the yellow that comes your way.

Anyway Bothroyd took a turn with this free kick from range and got no closer than Taarabt had earlier, or several of his team mates would manage later.

With two minutes to go before the break the impressive and industrious Bannan showed the home side how to take a free kick. After a poor throw by Traore, who was reasonably impressive again but provides a heart in mouth moment at least once every quarter of an hour, Villa won the ball back and then got a free kick on the edge of the box for a foul by the otherwise excellent Ferdinand on Agbonlahor. Bannan took it and curled the ball nicely over the wall with his left foot but Paddy Kenny made up the ground across his goal line impressive and clawed the ball out when it seemed to already be behind him and in. Another outstanding save to add to his growing collection and the clean sheet remained in place as the teams trooped off for half time.

It seemed that Villa were too negative in the first half, even for Alex McLeish’s liking. They started the second with a purpose and ambition that had been completely absent before half time and comprehensively dominated the first quarter of an hour of the half which resulted in them taking a controversial lead.

The half began with two more refereeing decisions – first Hutton was booked for a hack on Shaun Wright Phillips after he’d been done for pace, and then Ferdinand was treated to a free kick as Agbonlahor ran clear on goal after nudging the defender in the back. But soon it was all eyes on Villa and Paddy Kenny had to be alert and strong in his six yard box when Bannan’s wild volley was deflected up into the goal mouth by Agbonlahor. Both Ferdinand and Fitz Hall seemed to be struggling with injury at this point and Villa looked to take advantage as first Kenny had to claim a ball low at Agbonlahor’s feet when the rest of his team mates seemed to have stopped and given it up, then the keeper rushed from his line and clattered into Fabian Delph whose lobbed effort drifted wide of the open net as a result.

And then, just before the hour, the first big controversial incident of the game. Villa were on top, no question, and when Luke Young was sucked out of the right back spot and Villa worked the ball into the space he’d vacated QPR had a real problem. That danger seemed to have been alleviated when N’Zogbia crossed far too deep for Agbonlahor rushing in at the back post but as the ball drifted away to safety the shrill blast of the referee’s whistle pierced through the Loftus Road atmosphere. He’d given a penalty.

It took a while for everybody realise that’s what Michael Oliver had done – given that it wasn’t a penalty, none of the Villa fans behind the goal appealed for a penalty and only one or two of the Villa players even put half a hand in the air to ask the question that’s understandable – but a penalty had been given all the same. Barry Bannan, Villa’s best player by a distance, scraped his kick into the bottom corner with Kenny heading in the right direction but not there quickly enough. It should also be said, as it becomes important later, that Traore was booked in amongst this nonsense.

But what exactly was he booked for? Hauling Agbonlahor back (he didn’t) to prevent him meeting a cross at the back post and giving Villa the lead (he wouldn’t have done)? Is this not denying a goal scoring opportunity? If you’re going to be a pedantic arsehole and give a penalty for something that, were it penalised every time would see games finishing with Rugby League scores, then you have to send the player off. It was a piece of officiating to be ashamed of. It was a pathetic decision. Pathetic, embarrassing, shambolic, farcical and absolutely bang wrong.

It’s a decision made by somebody who has been to all of his little meetings and sat in front of all his little video tapes and seen all this shirt pulling going on in the penalty area and decided that he’s going to make an example of somebody. And so he has lain in wait, like some half aroused lion ready to leap on an unsuspecting victim and then feast on their violated flesh, desperate to penalise somebody for a shirt pull in the penalty box. This is a referee who two weeks ago at Everton didn’t see Aston Villa blatantly hack down Leighton Baines in the penalty box and yet here is giving a spot kick for the most meagre of fouls, if indeed there was a foul at all which I’m not convinced there was. He is a referee who is over thinking and analysing every big decision rather than just giving what he sees – he’ll give a pathetic penalty like that to make an example of somebody, but then he won’t give a blatant one because it’s too blatant, and he won’t give you a controversial decision if you’ve had one against you because it might be seen as him evening it up. Shambolic.

The sense of injustice only would have festered had N’Zogbia found the back, rather than the side, of the net when Villa came flooding forward again a moment later.

And then Villa stopped attacking. Almost as quickly as their onslaught had begun it ended and never recommenced. They had shown that, on the attack, they could cause QPR a world of problems but like some old fish wife calling the kids in off the street at dusk McLeish’s had ordered them back into the deep lying defensive set up they’d occupied previously. Had they kept going they’d have won 2-0 at least, now it became a question of whether QPR could score given the paucity of home goals on this ground this season so far.

The final half an hour would be a mixture of increasingly desperate QPR attacks and awful refereeing. After the hour James Collins hacked Shaun Wright Phillips down on the edge of the area for an obvious free kick and yellow card. That seemed to be what Oliver was about to do but having awarded the free kick and reached for a card he was then confronted by Richard Dunne who spoke to him for ten seconds and the card went back in his pocket. “Book him and I’ll release those pictures of you on Chatroulette ref”, said Dunne. Possibly.

Needless to say the free kick was wasted again, a poor shot from Faurlin this time, but Rangers were on the front foot again within seconds as Taarabt accelerated through the middle. Again Collins fouled him but this time play was waved on with QPR in the midst of a promising advantage where Shaun Wright Phillips had the ball alone against eight Villa defenders and a keeper – once that “advantage” ran a predictable course Collins was indeed booked but his job had been done.

Neil Warnock introduced DJ Campbell for Jay Bothroyd at the midpoint of the half – a change that almost brought immediate rewards when Taarabt’s exquisite lofted ball into the area was held by Campbell and touched off to Shaun Wight Phillips whose low drive was very well saved by Shay Given.

And this pattern continued. With 20 minutes left to play Petrov executed a wild tackle on Shaun Wright Phillips in the Villa right back slot. The Hungarian, as he always does, then screamed in the face of the referee to presumably try and intimidate him into reducing the planned punishment. On this occasion he was shown a yellow card but the real controversy was only a second or two away.

When Given palmed the resulting Barton free kick behind for a corner it set up an incident where Alan Hutton blatantly saved a goal bound header from Ferdinand away from both the goal and Bothroyd loitering for a tap in with his arm. You could never wish to see a more obvious handball and penalty and yet referee Oliver and his hapless assistant gave nothing. It was a penalty all day, all night, all week long. I was embarrassed for the officials on that one, a blind bank vole would have seen it.

Villa sent on Marc Albrighton for Bannon but continued to pick up yellow cards – Agbonlahor the latest for a needless kick out on Ferdinand as he brought the ball away in his own half.

Neil Warnock for his part sent on Heidar Helguson instead of Shaun Derry to add extra meat to the Rangers attack against an increasingly physical Villa side. That change could have left the hosts more susceptible to counter attacks and indeed within a minute or two one such break unfolded but was quickly snuffed out by Shaun Wright Phillips back tracking and executing a nice tackle on the edge of his own box.

Having survived that QPR then set off on an attack of their own. Or they would have done had N’Zogbia not hacked Helguson down, for which he was booked, and Warnock not gone through the back of Barton immediately afterwards. Warnock was already on a yellow card, so this meant he couldn’t have another one apparently. Joey Barton took his turn at wasting a well placed free kick. It was shaping up to be one of those days.

This “if you’ve already been booked you won’t get another one” rule was applied to James Collins next. Another bad foul on the edge of the box, this time on Helguson, and another ticking off rather than a card followed by another terrible QPR free kick, this time by DJ Campbell. The frustration was enough to peel the skin from your face.

Neil Warnock sent on Tommy Smith for Shaun Wright Phillips and then watched in anger as the new man produced a cross that seemed to be patted down by Hutton’s hand in the penalty area right under the nose of the referee but no spot kick was awarded. On that occasion I thought the referee was right.

When the game moved into stoppage time and Armand Traore was sent off, for a needless lunge on Marc Albrighton that clearly warranted a yellow card at least, the writing seemed to be on the wall. Warnock lambasted Traore as he went off, but they both knew his first yellow card had been a joke and Villa should already have had two off if the rules had been applied equally to both sides.

Albrighton, apparently close to death after the tackle, made a miraculous recovery to storm down the other end and hit a deflected shot on goal and at the Loft End Tommy Smith nodded a deep Helguson cross back into the danger zone but nobody had gambled on him doing so.

Just as the ghost seemed to have been given up though QPR equalised. Helguson was the creator, taking the ball to the byline and cutting it back into the six yard box where the presence of three Villa defenders, a goalkeeper and DJ Campbell caused sufficient panic for the ball to bobble into the net off the knees of Richard Dunne. Harsh on him, but no more than QPR deserved.

Anton Ferdinand had to be dragged away from the referee by his manager at full time – had the game been officiated properly then QPR would have won 2-0 and few could have complained had that been the score.

Villa were miserable here except for 20 minutes in the second half when they actually decided to attack QPR and subsequently carved the hosts apart at will. How frustrating it must be for the Villa fans and players to see their team do that, but spend the other 70 minutes in cynical time wasting and systematic fouling mode. In a footballing contest Aston Villa would have won – but they were so busy putting McLeish’s trademark misery into football form it never seemed to occur to them that this was the case. “1-0 to the boring team,” the Villa fans sang, as if it was something to be proud of. It wasn’t, and they knew that, despite the bravado.

QPR were short of their best. Whether Villa did something to deliberately target them or simply had more bodies in their area of the pitch Faurlin and Barton weren’t nearly as effective as they had been against Newcastle and Wolves. We didn’t get Shaun Wright Phillips on the ball enough in dangerous areas and we were often short of men in the penalty box when we did attack in the channels.

Nevertheless there was a lot to admire about QPR, and if I was able to say the same about the referee then I’d be reporting on a home win.

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QPR: Kenny 7, Young 7, Ferdinand 8, Hall 7, Traore 6, Faurlin 6, Derry 6 (Helguson 79, 7), Wright-Phillips 7 (Smith 86, -), Taarabt 7, Barton 6, Bothroyd 7 (Campbell 66, 6)

Subs Not Used: Murphy, Orr, Buzsaky, Connolly

Sent Off: Traore 90 (two bookings)

Booked: Traore (foul), Traore (foul)

Goals: Dunne 90 og (assisted Helguson)

Aston Villa: Given 7, Hutton 5, Collins 7, Dunne 8, Warnock 6, Petrov 6, Ireland 5, Delph 7, N'Zogbia 6 (Weimann 85, -), Bannan 8 (Albrighton 72, 7), Agbonlahor 6

Subs Not Used: Guzan, Delfouneso, Beye, Lowry, Gardner

Booked: Warnock (foul), Hutton (foul), Collins (foul), Petrov (foul), Agbonlahor (foul), N'Zogbia (foul)

Goals: Bannan 58 (penalty)

QPR Star Man – Anton Ferdinand 8 In a slightly below par QPR performance overall I thought Ferdinand stood out at the heart of the defence – keeping pace with the inform Agbonlahor and rarely losing out in a tackle or aerial contest. He’s playing a lot, lot better than I ever thought him capable when he first arrived.

Referee: Michael Oliver (Northumberland) 3 The thing about a penalty decision is it’s either a penalty or it’s not a penalty. This means that even if you had to decide what it was without seeing the incident you stand a fifty fifty chance of getting it right. In the West Ham v Leeds game, the Everton v Villa match and then again today Michael Oliver has had at least seven penalty incidents to adjudicate on, and he’s yet to get one right. I mean even if the kid tossed a coin on these, heads a penalty tails play on, he’d get more right than he’s currently managing. Without going into why so many Villa players on yellow cards were allowed to get away with crude tackles without receiving a second yellow there were three key incidents in the game – and he was badly wrong with two of his three calls. Not good enough.

Attendance: 16,707 (1,800 Villa fans) A disappointing attendance again, but a great atmosphere inside Loftus Road. It didn’t quite rock like it did against Newcastle, but the Villa fans were the nosiest we have had in W12 for sometime and the home fans continued to back their team right to the death, even when all hope of taking anything from the game seemed to be lost.

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QPR1882 added 01:07 - Sep 26
3 For the ref ? 1 out of 10 was all he got from me.

1 for wearing the correct kit and -9 for not knowing the laws of the game.

gueRRilla added 01:24 - Sep 26
Bothroyd is not a target man. No doubt too early to write him off but we can't spurn 3 pointers like we did today and against Newcastle.
Set pieces and corners are nothing short of shocking. As a minnow team, we need to improve or god help us.
Ref was a joke but at the end of the season no one is going to remember the penno's that should have been. We MUST be more clinical.
If we play like we did in the first half against any of the lower teams I reckon we'll tear them apart.

Neil_SI added 02:07 - Sep 26
I think Jay Bothroyd is playing well and don't have any concerns about his lack of goals at this time. We never really got the ball in the right areas for anybody, so it didn't matter who would have played up front, because the ball wasn't often in an area for a striker to attack it.

I would have been delighted with a point just a few weeks ago from this fixture, and I still am now. It's all about continuing to pick up as many points as we can, and here, right until the depth, we looked like we would come away empty handed but found the resolve to grind something out of it, which was the least we deserved.

We are learning quite quickly that the mid-to-bottom of the table teams are no where near as strong as we anticipated, because they tend to play effective football, rather than dynamic football. We are doing more of the latter at the minute, and able to surprise them, but we need a good hybrid mixture of the two styles to make sure we come out on top.

I think we're a lot further on than we realise. Aston Villa, despite their cynical approach, are still a very experienced Premiership team and we showed we can compete with them.

It was a good lesson for us in the second too, as we started to get hit onto the counter and had to deal with them coming at us, and that's experience that we need and will be useful going forward, for when we're under the cosh from better teams or having to deal with pressure.

MelakaRanger added 02:57 - Sep 26
Another 2 points wasted after the 2 we wasted against Newcastle.

Time to gIve DJ a chance and let him start rather than Bothroyd.

Still, the table doesn't lie.

HantsR added 06:49 - Sep 26
Great report Clive thanks. Send it to Messrs Shearer and Savage! Oh btw I'm sure it was HH wot took it to the by-line for the o.g.?

N12Hoop added 07:42 - Sep 26
Our first test against quality opposition and we should be pretty pleased. We have just been promoted and this is a big step up. Villa will be Top 10 come the end of the season and so this was a good test. I thought Villa's movement in the 2nd half was excellent and their central defence was like a brick wall, but we defended well also and prevented them getting many clear cut opportunities. Biggest concern for me is that we don't like scoring with an inability to get bodies in the box. Also Traore's defending has me holding my breath at times.

BlackCrowe added 08:01 - Sep 26
"...like some old fish wife calling the kids in off the street at dusk McLeish’s had ordered them back"

jamois added 08:24 - Sep 26
In the formation we play I honestly cannot see DJC as a starter. You could see once he came on that, despite his enthusiasm for a half chance and getting in the box (something we were sorely lacking) he cannot hold the ball up, his lay-offs are poor and he cannot head the ball. Bothroyd has actually excelled at these things but seems to lack aggression in the box and is shot-shy. But we shouldn't act like we created any real clear-cut chances for him like against Newcastle - we didn't. You could easily see Rooney walking away from this game with no goals to his name and nobody would be moaning. I would stick with Bothroyd for now and give him a good talking to about his shooting boots. I thought the fact that Collins wasn't sent-off was about as poor a decision as the two shocking penalty decisions.

JB007007 added 08:30 - Sep 26
When the ref pointed after blowing his whistle, I first thought he had blown for a goal kick, as none of the Villa players closest and the fans even appealed. The first Hutton hand ball decision was just embarrassing and arguably the second one could easily be given. When I saw the replay last night - Hutton knew what he was doing with his arm out to the side. Dont know when my anger is going to subside at the moment. I need to meet Mr Oliver. I noticed that he also missed out on a little incident off the ball with N'Zogbia lashing out at Faurlin.
I too would stick with Bothroyd at the moment as he fits the system that NW wants. He's a good footballer that is working hard and playing well. Some goals will come for him I'm sure.
All in all, I'm happy with the way its going at the moment, although we need that first home win.

DesertBoot added 09:20 - Sep 26
Despite not playing at our best, or not being allowed to, I was proud of our team today.
The injustices of the penalty given and not given, the dreadful challenges and the blatant time-wasting - we pretty much kept our composure and kept going right to the end.

adhoc_qpr added 09:26 - Sep 26
The first 2 penalty decisions were wrong, no question about that.

I wasn't sure about the rule for the 2nd handball incident - Hutton's hand was so far away from his body and stopped a cross to obvious advantage for his team. I've definately seem similar pens given.

Bothroyd played well for me, but we need more bodies in the box and more composure when we get in the box. The Luke Young incident was a classic example, Bothroyd played him in and he could have turned and shot/laid it off but instead overpassed it.

jamois added 09:26 - Sep 26
Totally agree with that DesertBoot. Just also wanted to say I'm not sure about NW branding Traore a disgrace, and so publicly too. A bit reminiscent of Phil Brown keeping his Hull team on the pitch at half-time at Man City a few yrs back. Should be kept behind closed doors no? Traore was naive but not sure he deserved all that treatment.

WokingR added 09:36 - Sep 26
Full marks for getting your report out so quickly, although "like some half aroused lion ready to bum an unsuspecting victim " suggests you'd finished writing it up in the pub before you had even got home.
I do hope the FA and refs get to read these comments

westberksr added 09:53 - Sep 26
great report Clive. Just wish Boothroyd would give it out a bit more. He is technically very good but after getting clattered by Collins on around 35-40 minutes he seemed less keen on the physical side.

Having said that I suspect only Stoke will be that blatant and against most other teams he'll not get battered like that. Dunne, to me has a touch of the Alan McDonald about him and is very much a throwback to central defenders of the past; and that's certainly not a criticism; but not not the sort that Jay will want to face regularly

RedbourneR added 10:15 - Sep 26
I thought it was Luke Young who was on the line when the ball came in for the o.g., not DJ? Anyway Bothroyd was alright for me until that moment late into the second half when we went into their area and dawdled on the ball, it wouldn't come out from his feet fast enough. He needs a goal for his confidence.

Ferdy added 10:19 - Sep 26
Yes it was Luke Young trying to get on the end of Helgusson's cross, which made uo for him getting caught out of position for our goal.

Spanishhoops added 10:22 - Sep 26
Despite the fact that both Clive and NW stated that the second handball was not a penalty I agree with adhoc that there is definitely a case. His hand was well away from his body and deflected the cross.
Boothroyd just needs a goal or two under his belt then he'll thrive. Give him a few more matches.
Well done for not laying down and dying lads - to be honest I had given up hope for a point - felt it was going to be one of those days. Glad the lads had more faith.
Last comment - a bowler in cricket regularly puts the ball on a 6 inch square, a decent fly half regularly puts the ball through the posts from 40 metres at an angle (50 in a straight line), a golfer can find the green from over 200 yards but from 25 metres, with the sun shining directly in to Shay Given's face not one of the 5 or 6 players that stuck their hand up to take a free kick tested the keeper. Stay behind after training lads - with Taraabt's quick feet and clunking centre backs clattering into him we are going to get plenty of free kicks from this range - it could be a fountain for goals.

fakekerby added 10:29 - Sep 26
You can't blame Luke Young being out of position for their goal, Traore completely hashed up on a run up the left and then the Villa player scuffed a cross to the right back area - it was a flukey piece of play by Villa and the penalty was flukier still.

The referee was awful, it was never a penalty in a million years having seen it 20-30 times now. I didn't feel that sick feeling you get when you see a penalty given away, so even initially I thought there was nothing to worry about.

Both handballs could have been given IMO. And should have been. Like Clive alluded to, perhaps Oliver was too scared to look as if he was evening things up?

So desperate not to even things up, he decided against sending off any number of Villa thugs on the day and sent off our lad as well. It was a disgraceful day's officiating.

As for the team, well I think we need to have Bothroyd at the top, he does all the lone striker stuff very well, wins a lot of ball, holds it up well. The players who need to bomb forward i.e. Adel and SWP aren't doing so quite quickly enough or often enough, hence the lack of cutting edge. If Bothroyd was banging home goals to go with his performances he'd be worth 20 million plus. What we have is a very good striker, not the perfect one.

Ferdinand has been class since joining, I wonder if we've stumbled upon a gem. He could really be the next Rio Ferdinand at this rate.

themodfather added 10:44 - Sep 26
like ref STYLES maybe clattenburg , the new young refs COURT CONTRAVERSY, they seem to want it and thereby get the headlines and chat, about THEM...
thing is why do the linesmen, actually they are ASSISTNAT REFS,take such a rear seat, they should be well involved and in our cases ( their pen and our 2 good calls) should have been in the decision making!!
villa fouled persistently to break us down, deny a goal..in rugby you get a penalty try...anyway are qpr naive at this level? too honest??
i was glad traore got 1 back in and the ref went to top pocket immediately, i thought "straight red" but 2nd yellow, a poor tackle but they hammered us all game and how collins stayed on is a mystery! i don't want qpr reds but clearly frustration was behind it and we fans felt that same frustration, felt robbed, CHEATED,angered...did the ref want to influence the game???
we scramble our goal thru another top assist from a top player, smith.
bothroyd again disappoints, he gets in position and is there, that's all, can he score 15 goals we need from a forward??...

Metallica_Hoop added 10:57 - Sep 26
" And so he has lain in wait, like some half aroused lion ready to leap on an unsuspecting victim and then feast on their violated flesh. " That is poetry.

Great report thanks.

extratimeR added 11:22 - Sep 26
Very good and accurate report Clive.

After 5 minutes I thought Hello, things have changed since Bolton, we've now got a decent,(and negative), side coming to Loftus Road, and sticking 10 men behind the ball, (11 sometimes), playing for a point, thats a compliment!

Chants of "Boring Boring Villa" fully justified, watching Given time wasting after 15 minutes tells you all you need to know.

I wonder if Barton had done that challenge on Warnock what reaction from Referee would have been?

I agree about Bothroyd, he is playing well, a goal will proably do the trick, I think just encourage him, his first touch, holding the ball up is good, but he just needs a goal.

Support was very good through entire game, (F Block), when coming back from Wolves last week we all said that Villa would set up differen from Wolves, after watching us play, but did not expect to see such negativity from them.

Ferdinand definitely MOM

The Referee thing must be worrying the Premier league/Sky, if they trying to flog their "Product" world wide as the best their is, fine Stadiums ,world class Players, etc, but with entertainment and quality being damaged by allowing very very poor officials to control the game, (not good for revenue), I cannot see this guy being allowed to continue much longer, only reason he will get away with Sundays awful display, will be beacause , as you say, he was to cowardly to issue the three second yellow cards to Villa players, which would have attracted a lot of media attention to him.

Paddy has to get a mention for that wonder save as well!

Thanks Clive!

SomersetHoops added 11:25 - Sep 26
The quality of Villa is in the cynical way they break down opposition moves with fouls. This makes football boring and low scoring. Apart from his abysmal performance, if Oliver and other young refs like him had genuine interest in football they would book any players repeating these actions as sending off players stifling the game is the right thing to do rather than the many wrong things he did in this game. Being as near to the pitch as he was at our end I saw many minor mistakes in throw-ins given the wrong way and a couple of corners / goal kicks also clearly wrong. If he can't get the small decisions right I wonder if he actually sees well or whether he can process what he sees quickly enough to make correct decisions, a prerequisite in a good ref. and obviously missing in the case of Mr Oliver.

As far as Bothroyd is concerned he seems reluctant to go for the shot. Which he needs to overcome - a goal will hopefully give him the required confidence, but it needs to come soon. DJ is clearly sharper, but is best played alongside HH as DJ lacks the hold-up play that Bothroyd has. Perhaps we should try starting with Bothroyd and DJ, but who would you leave out to make that work?

jamois added 11:43 - Sep 26
i thought the same way somerset. but if DJ played with Bothroyd then based on the games so far I'd say you'd have to drop Barton! i've heard all these great things about his mentality and his training but havent seen him put in a strong performance bar flashes at wolves. his distribution and awareness on the pitch yesterday was poor and he gave the ball away in promising situations a lot. i'm assuming he'll get better.

fakekerby added 11:46 - Sep 26
Barton hasn't been great with the ball, but he does add quality with his work off the ball which goes unnoticed.

Jamie added 11:51 - Sep 26
The real crime was that Warnock was not sent off in the first half.

Completely out of control challenge, studs up, above the knee - a more textbook definition of 'reckless' you won't find and had the ref correctly sent him off it would've been a different game. The Villa players saw that only being a yellow and correctly took it as free reign to kick anything that moved.

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