| B teams 15:37 - May 8 with 9217 views | macro |
From 2016/17 it seems
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| B teams on 15:54 - May 8 with 4320 views | raadale |
Apparently they would be eligible for promotion and relegation from a newly created league 3.... what a load of crap. so how far can they get promoted? theoretically could the top two teams in the premiership (for arguments sake) end up being Man City and Man City B. Surely with all the money the big clubs have all the 'B' teams will just end up getting promoted and littering the championship and Premier League whilst stealing yet more fans and player resources from the lower leagues.... Clubs like Rochdale may as well give up now... |  | | |
| B teams on 15:56 - May 8 with 4307 views | Mass_Debater |
| B teams on 15:54 - May 8 by raadale |
Apparently they would be eligible for promotion and relegation from a newly created league 3.... what a load of crap. so how far can they get promoted? theoretically could the top two teams in the premiership (for arguments sake) end up being Man City and Man City B. Surely with all the money the big clubs have all the 'B' teams will just end up getting promoted and littering the championship and Premier League whilst stealing yet more fans and player resources from the lower leagues.... Clubs like Rochdale may as well give up now... |
They can't be promoted higher than League 1. |  | | |
| B teams on 15:58 - May 8 with 4285 views | Toffeemanc |
To be fair I think Man United have been preparing for this rule change already. I'm sure they have been playing there B team regularly this season in the Premier League.
Being serious though it does seem a ridiculous idea that will affect all lower league clubs week in and week out. And all done with the sole intention of improving the national side which to be honest I personally could give a toss about.
Does a successful England team have any positive effect on lower league football or its fans? |  |
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| B teams on 15:58 - May 8 with 4293 views | SuddenLad |
No non-EU players allowed outside the Premiership ? How the hell will that benefit FL clubs ? |  |
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| B teams on 16:09 - May 8 with 4242 views | raadale |
It will kill lower league clubs, all the good players (and they need to be mainly British for the quotas) will want to play for Man Utd/City/Liverpool Etc B because even at B level they'll be able to offer stupid money... and if they're in league one why not. Issue then is all the lower league clubs like us are fighting for the dross that's left. You could have league two players on 50k a week whilst they get match practice for the A teams. Won't be feeder clubs they say... how on earth is that gonna work? | | | |
| B teams on 16:24 - May 8 with 4176 views | TTNYear |
A few flaws
Attendances - how many Larnderners, are going to go to Nuneaton V Chelsea B?
Quality - under 21's up against conference cloggers?.. That'll developed the English game
You have to wonder what. Dyke has been doing for the last few months. [Post edited 8 May 2014 16:25]
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| B teams on 16:41 - May 8 with 4114 views | ColDale |
Dyke has been speaking to 350 "stakeholders" in the game. The two main Supporters bodies in this country of the Football Supporters Federation and Supporters Direct did not make the 350. That speaks volumes for what they think about the fans' points of view. |  | | |
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| B teams on 16:49 - May 8 with 4077 views | ColDale |
Let's not ignore the strategic partnership plan either. At worst case scenario, we're talking direct feeder teams and at best we'll see the farce we have in Rugby League where teams are told they have to play a certain player in a certain game. You only have to look at Hornets who are coached by a St Helens employee. | | | |
| B teams on 17:15 - May 8 with 3987 views | KenBoon |
| B teams on 16:49 - May 8 by ColDale |
Let's not ignore the strategic partnership plan either. At worst case scenario, we're talking direct feeder teams and at best we'll see the farce we have in Rugby League where teams are told they have to play a certain player in a certain game. You only have to look at Hornets who are coached by a St Helens employee. |
This nonsense goes to great lengths to avoid the term "feeder clubs" but that is exactly what they are.
The FA need to earn money. To do that they need to whore the National team and sell tickets. People generally don't care because we're not very good. So The FA attempt to convince fans that there will be a Golden Generation in 2022 (which will surely be the hottest World Cup on record). How does one build a Golden Generation???
Encourage more coaches to take UEFA Badges? No.
Put an English quoter on 'Academy' youth teams so they cannot just cherry pick the worlds most talented players and blow smoke up their arses? No.
Investigate Club takeovers more closely? No.
Find out why English managers rarely get above The Championship - They're not all Graham Taylor? No.
Allow debt ridden clubs, some of whom may have been playing in League Two in the last 15 years, to create B clubs? YES!
To say B Clubs play any part in the success of Spain and Germany is like saying Kraftwerk and Los del Rio are contributing factors behind their national teams recent successes (or near successes if you're German). We don't need B sides because we've enough clubs to make up competitive leagues. Despite being at Brentford, Dyke is a telly man. He was one of the heads behind the original Premier League model until Sky and Amstrad outbid ITV. If WSC was right (and my memory is good) the original model kept all money between the founding 22 clubs.
I'd like to believe this won't happen, but I suspect The Championship clubs will take to it.
And how the f**k is Danny Mills on that advisory board! |  | | |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 17:16 - May 8 with 3986 views | fermin |
| B teams on 16:41 - May 8 by ColDale |
Dyke has been speaking to 350 "stakeholders" in the game. The two main Supporters bodies in this country of the Football Supporters Federation and Supporters Direct did not make the 350. That speaks volumes for what they think about the fans' points of view. |
I was about to post something a lot longer but my computer froze and it has all disappeared. I can't be bothered to type it all again. Actually I see now that KenBoon has more or less said what I was going to say anyway.
Previously serial underachievers Spain have become successful because of an overhaul in coaching at all levels, I believe. The same goes for Germany, where the FA does not have to brown-nose the top division clubs all the time. The existence of B teams in these countries is a red herring.
What I want to know is does the club have a vote on these half-baked proposals at the League AGM and if so, can the Trust put pressure on them to vote no and reject any 30 pieces of silver offer from the Premier League? [Post edited 8 May 2014 17:27]
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| B teams on 17:26 - May 8 with 3940 views | olympicdale |
So teams can not be promoted higher than League 1, how does that work, wouldnt there be a cluster of teams in the league, also, having Man united/city reserve teams in the lower leagues isn't going to help potential floating fans, its an idea that will never get off the ground. |  |
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| B teams on 17:30 - May 8 with 3926 views | ColDale |
I can't see there being a club anywhere in favour of it, but given the way the Premier League blackmailed the Football League into the EPPP system, I fear everything will be driven through no matter what. | | | |
| B teams on 17:31 - May 8 with 3919 views | SuddenLad |
| B teams on 17:26 - May 8 by olympicdale |
So teams can not be promoted higher than League 1, how does that work, wouldnt there be a cluster of teams in the league, also, having Man united/city reserve teams in the lower leagues isn't going to help potential floating fans, its an idea that will never get off the ground. |
Love to see how that works in practice. So, if the 'B' teams occupy either promotion or play-off places at the end of the regular season, are they to be overlooked in favour of clubs who have finished, perhaps 6th, 7th or 8th in the League who will then be elevated into the relevant places ?
Utterly farcical. Makes a mockery of having a League system. | |
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| B teams on 17:46 - May 8 with 3841 views | olympicdale |
| B teams on 17:31 - May 8 by SuddenLad |
Love to see how that works in practice. So, if the 'B' teams occupy either promotion or play-off places at the end of the regular season, are they to be overlooked in favour of clubs who have finished, perhaps 6th, 7th or 8th in the League who will then be elevated into the relevant places ?
Utterly farcical. Makes a mockery of having a League system. |
Its a chance for bury to make the playoffs | |
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| B teams on 17:50 - May 8 with 3798 views | windowsbug |
If the lower leagues accept this, it will be like turkeys voting for Christmas. |  | | |
| B teams on 17:56 - May 8 with 3771 views | robbowood |
| B teams on 17:31 - May 8 by SuddenLad |
Love to see how that works in practice. So, if the 'B' teams occupy either promotion or play-off places at the end of the regular season, are they to be overlooked in favour of clubs who have finished, perhaps 6th, 7th or 8th in the League who will then be elevated into the relevant places ?
Utterly farcical. Makes a mockery of having a League system. |
FA chairman Greg Dyke told a news conference "Liverpool, Manchester United and Manchester City are among clubs that have already shown "a lot of interest and enthusiasm" for a new league for B"
Well what a surprise that comment is!!!!
How many lower league clubs did Dyke consult about this. If the Premiership clubs cannot organise a league just for their B teams that's their problem.
We already have players from the Premiership on loan in the lower divisions (e.g. Jack O'Connell) and that's the way to improve these Premiership players
Who on earth is going to pay to watch a Premiership B team
It's an absolute insult to teams in the lower leagues
As the saying goes the lunatics have taken over the asylum | | | |
| B teams on 18:01 - May 8 with 3749 views | olympicdale |
Dyke has set a target of increasing the number of English players in the Premier League from 32 per cent to 45 per cent by 2022.
He wants to see 90 English players playing regularly in the top five European leagues by 2022 - the current number is 66.
Firstly, 45% is already 12% less than the Spanish league, and 6% less than the German leagues have now, and how do they propose to implement this, you can not force clubs to play more homegrown players, they will just go out and sign some foreign nobody for half the price.
Secondly, again, how can you force teams in other countries to take english players, as of now we have, to my knowledge, only Gareth Bale playing in one of the top 5 leagues in europe, and he's even Welsh. There is also a rule that any non european players will be banned from playing below the premierleague, how can you do this, any other business would sue for this, Newcastle would be fooked if they went down.
A ridiculous idea, that wont get off the ground. [Post edited 8 May 2014 18:17]
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| B teams on 18:28 - May 8 with 3654 views | KenBoon |
Accrington Stanley should win a Trophy for this.
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| B teams on 18:35 - May 8 with 3636 views | robbowood |
| B teams on 18:01 - May 8 by olympicdale |
Dyke has set a target of increasing the number of English players in the Premier League from 32 per cent to 45 per cent by 2022.
He wants to see 90 English players playing regularly in the top five European leagues by 2022 - the current number is 66.
Firstly, 45% is already 12% less than the Spanish league, and 6% less than the German leagues have now, and how do they propose to implement this, you can not force clubs to play more homegrown players, they will just go out and sign some foreign nobody for half the price.
Secondly, again, how can you force teams in other countries to take english players, as of now we have, to my knowledge, only Gareth Bale playing in one of the top 5 leagues in europe, and he's even Welsh. There is also a rule that any non european players will be banned from playing below the premierleague, how can you do this, any other business would sue for this, Newcastle would be fooked if they went down.
A ridiculous idea, that wont get off the ground. [Post edited 8 May 2014 18:17]
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With Blackburn not in the Premiership perhaps Jack O'Connell wasn't a good example of mine - but Hallam Hope on loan at Bury from Everton shows how young Premiership players clubs can play in the lower leagues and which benefits everybody (without having to play for an Everton B team in Division 1, Division 2 or the Conference)
How is Dyke going to make Chelsea and Man City's foreign owners (to name but two) increase the number of "English" players in the team in the foreseeable future when there are virtually none good enough to buy
As for his 45% by 2022 that is a ludicrous %. If Dyke wants England to do well in World Cups he should be looking at more like 60-70% English players in each Premiership team
Few 'English' players will ever go to play abroad as things stand - not least due to the fact most of them aren't good enough in terms of skill and technique and secondly because then earn more money over here | | | |
| B teams on 18:54 - May 8 with 3558 views | DevonDale |
| B teams on 18:28 - May 8 by KenBoon |
Accrington Stanley should win a Trophy for this.
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Yes - I just saw that on Twitter. Classic! | | | |
| B teams on 19:14 - May 8 with 3513 views | robbowood |
| B teams on 18:28 - May 8 by KenBoon |
Accrington Stanley should win a Trophy for this.
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Also on Accrington Stanley â€@ASFCofficial 2h
In 2016/17 we can achieve our dream... We'll finally be able to play Stoke City Reserves in the Football League...
Brilliant !!! | | | |
| B teams on 19:36 - May 8 with 3436 views | windowsbug |
Who actually put th FA in charge of English football?
Can there not be a challenge to the self appointed guardian of the game.
Every one knows what the problem is.. but no-one want to sort it. There are too many vested interests and nobody wants to lose thier cup final tickets, to actually stop the FA from doing this.
This is what happens when something is designed by committee. | | | |
| B teams on 19:44 - May 8 with 3404 views | fermin |
| B teams on 17:30 - May 8 by ColDale |
I can't see there being a club anywhere in favour of it, but given the way the Premier League blackmailed the Football League into the EPPP system, I fear everything will be driven through no matter what. |
I've just listened to the discussion on Radio 5. The Brentford chairman would prefer this new league to be between the Championship and League. I think it was him also who said that it didn't matter if there were casualties as long as the England team improved. Steve Claridge talked sense for a change as well.
Also just found this article from 2007 about B teams in Germany and how very unpopular they are in their leagues:
http://www.wsc.co.uk/the-archive/923-Europe/598-the-killer-bs [Post edited 8 May 2014 19:49]
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| B teams on 20:17 - May 8 with 3317 views | fitzochris |
| B teams on 19:14 - May 8 by robbowood |
Also on Accrington Stanley â€@ASFCofficial 2h
In 2016/17 we can achieve our dream... We'll finally be able to play Stoke City Reserves in the Football League...
Brilliant !!! |
It's had more retweets than Accy have supporters. |  |
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