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Not for us, but for Bury. i was credit checking a potential customer and decided to nosey onto BFC's file and was (or maybe not) supprised to see a new CCJ for circa £22k lodged only Wednesday this week. looks like they are in need of a bumper crowd tomorrow to settle some bills
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tomorrow can't come quick enough on 23:46 - Sep 26 with 6731 views
tomorrow can't come quick enough on 20:03 - Sep 26 by Plattyswrinklynuts
Don’t go on the bucket forum but have had a look at tweets relating to James Friths comments regarding the EFL’s “self interest” for its vote not to roll out the red carpet for bURY to be admitted back into lg 2. To be fair a few of their fans have accepted their fate & are talking about a Phoenix club but as usual the gobshite majority are still lashing out at the EFL & rounding on anyone who dares to tell the hard brutal truths. To the sensible bURY fans, good luck for the future... To the ignorant, deluded, self entitled head-in-the-sand deniers, WAKE UP!!! READ THE FIRST 10-20 PAGES OF THIS THREAD!!!! Then sit down, have a good cry & stop blaming everyone else for your blind arrogance.
Devastating to hear self-interest was served cold by many @EFL clubs today & their decision to relegate one less from L2 than admit Bury to League. Thank you to all those who spoke in support of it. I’m meeting @forever_bury and others now. Will make further statement later. #UTSpic.twitter.com/ckDQpA0BIw
tomorrow can't come quick enough on 23:46 - Sep 26 by dingdangblue
Devastating to hear self-interest was served cold by many @EFL clubs today & their decision to relegate one less from L2 than admit Bury to League. Thank you to all those who spoke in support of it. I’m meeting @forever_bury and others now. Will make further statement later. #UTSpic.twitter.com/ckDQpA0BIw
The self-interest of James Frith is surely an issue here? He set himself up as the knight in shining armour whilst knowing, full well, that bfc was/is a financial basket case. Or he should have done, everyone else does! Many anonymous "credible bidders" he touted, and still does, most of which were as credible as the Nigerian prince you never knew who wanted your bank details via e mail to give you $12billion. C&N Sporting Risk looked kosher, but once they saw the figures, they got out. But Frith still led on the easily fooled with false promises of League 2 status and new ownership, all of which came to naught. All to look good for votes and his own self-interest which was not served by todays decisions by the EFL clubs who put the league and its clubs interests before Friths political vanity, and, his own cold self-serving self-interest.
Tough.
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tomorrow can't come quick enough on 07:36 - Sep 27 with 6453 views
Shouldn't this MP be in the House of Commons or has it escaped his attention that major events are happening in this country? He should be representing all of his constituents rather than a small proportion of them. The bandwaggoner who upset me most was Andy Burnham. I always thought that he was a reasonable politician (if such an animal exists) but surely he has more pressing things to consider. SD2 has gone remarkably quiet as well. Not a peep from him recently.
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tomorrow can't come quick enough on 07:48 - Sep 27 with 6434 views
On what grounds exactly do they think they should be let back into league 2? As far as I am aware they still havent been taken over, they still have millions of pounds of debt and they still have no funds to prove they can go forward and fund a season of league football? Are they all thick? If any of these things had happened over the last few weeks since they've been expelled then I am sure that the other 71 clubs and the EFL would be a little more sympathetic towards their plight - sod all has changed.
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I'm not convinced that even C&N Sporting Risk were all that serious a bidder. They were scrambling around a few hours before the deadline getting information from Accrington about their finances to help their bid. My suspicion is that they might have used Bury's situation to raise their profile with the EFL and its clubs to further their sporting/football analytics business.
As for Frith, he's damned if he does get involved and damned if he doesn't so I wouldn't be too critical. Certainly he's coming in for stick on Beardy but I wonder whether there's now party political point-scoring going on there plus others taking the opportunity to vent their feelings about politicians in general.
My take is that there's now a sizeable majority in favour of getting on with the phoenix club route. Maybe another Town Hall meeting beckons soon?
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tomorrow can't come quick enough on 18:51 - Sep 27 with 5915 views
tomorrow can't come quick enough on 18:51 - Sep 27 by electricblue
James Frith as now said that at the very least a reformed Bury FC should start in the National League..
Best they can hope for his getting into National League North as it’s expanding next season. Hopefully any phoenix club will have to go a few stages lower.
They have an imminent appointment with HMRC at the High Court, for the small matter of £140,000 of outstanding monies. Unless things change drastically, BFC will surely be liquidated.
Any phoenix club, even if it was formed tomorrow, has no chance of being ready to enter the football pyramid by the beginning of the 2020/21 season. The way they are at each others' throats on the Bury board, makes you wonder if they'll ever have enough agreement to even unite long enough to get through a preliminary meeting, never mind form a new club.
The matter of where they play any future games will be a deciding factor and there is absolutely no guarantee that would be at their ancestral dump.
They're as far away from their next game as it is possible to be.
“It is easier to fool people, than to convince them that they have been fooledâ€
Would the right honourable gentleman kindly go f*ck himself? We certainly are self-interested, and we're proud of it.
Selling crown jewels? Self interest. Bringing promising players along with the promise we'll not stand in their way when opportunity knocks? Self interest. Training at local sports clubs? Self interest. Paying fook all to agents? Self interest. Giving our 16 year old a deserved game at Old Trafford? Self interest. Buying our stadium? Self interest. Paying 2 grand a week? Self interest. Refusing to reinstate a serial cheater so they can't cheat at ours or anyone else's expense for the fourth time in 30 years? Self interest.
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tomorrow can't come quick enough on 21:48 - Sep 27 with 5644 views
tomorrow can't come quick enough on 21:31 - Sep 27 by JumeirahDale
"Self Interest"?
Would the right honourable gentleman kindly go f*ck himself? We certainly are self-interested, and we're proud of it.
Selling crown jewels? Self interest. Bringing promising players along with the promise we'll not stand in their way when opportunity knocks? Self interest. Training at local sports clubs? Self interest. Paying fook all to agents? Self interest. Giving our 16 year old a deserved game at Old Trafford? Self interest. Buying our stadium? Self interest. Paying 2 grand a week? Self interest. Refusing to reinstate a serial cheater so they can't cheat at ours or anyone else's expense for the fourth time in 30 years? Self interest.
The 'self interest' quote struck a cord with me, especially when bury FC were renowned for not paying opposition clubs the ticket money owed for the sales of away game tickets.
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tomorrow can't come quick enough on 00:04 - Sep 28 with 5524 views
tomorrow can't come quick enough on 21:31 - Sep 27 by JumeirahDale
"Self Interest"?
Would the right honourable gentleman kindly go f*ck himself? We certainly are self-interested, and we're proud of it.
Selling crown jewels? Self interest. Bringing promising players along with the promise we'll not stand in their way when opportunity knocks? Self interest. Training at local sports clubs? Self interest. Paying fook all to agents? Self interest. Giving our 16 year old a deserved game at Old Trafford? Self interest. Buying our stadium? Self interest. Paying 2 grand a week? Self interest. Refusing to reinstate a serial cheater so they can't cheat at ours or anyone else's expense for the fourth time in 30 years? Self interest.
This:
Not paying hundreds of creditors owed over £1million pounds - self interest Paying massive wages to players with no proper funding to get to the Championship - self interest Paying to get promotion without paying the bills - self interest Free travel to away games for fans (running the club into debt) - Self interest Not paying into the pension scheme - self interest Not paying other clubs for tickets sold - self interest Et cetera ad nauseum. Debts accrued through self interest that result in right and proper expulsion from the league - never our fault, only the self interest of others. Really? The "honourable gentleman" needs to give his honourable self interested head a wobble.
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tomorrow can't come quick enough on 08:12 - Sep 28 with 5307 views
"The way that bury was treated was no different to any other club. The questions asked to bury are asked to every other club in the League."
It's encouraging that, collectively, 71 clubs approved upholding principles of membership - albeit they may change - than readmit a club that couldn't answer the simplest of questions.
George Bernard Shaw had it right:
"He who can does; he who cannot, teaches."
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Obviously, EFL decisions earlier this week have been a bitter pill to swallow. We as fans of the football club are devastated and are gutted at the result of what has happened. However, be under no illusion that two men have been the orchestrators of the demise of Bury Football Club and we the supporters trust are the ones who have been left to try and pick up the pieces and save what remains of our football club.
I would like to place on record my thanks to those members who have helped put together the contact lists and personalised letters that went out to all supporters trusts, chairpersons and owners of the 71 football clubs. To the following supporters trusts who have helped support our case and supported us with good advice:
Bolton Wanderers Rochdale AFC Birmingham City Leyton Orient Morcambe FC to name but a few.
At the last meeting we promised you a follow up meeting where we would table the options ahead and allow you the supporters to vote. The options ahead are as follows.
Legal action against the EFL.
The option to take legal action against the EFL comes with pros and cons, some of which could be detrimental to the future relationship of the EFL.
Cons
Costings
Legal action against the EFL could be costly and may not guarantee results. We would all so need to foot the bill for EFL legal costs if we lose case.
Future Relationship
Should the football club get back into the league in the future the club would naturally have to have a relationship with the League. Legal action could cause issues going forward.
Uncertainty
If we win case, it may still not result in being readmitted to the football league.
Timing
We would not instigate proceedings until Mr Dale has left the club as any compensation as a result of legal action would go to the directly to the owner of the Club.
Pros
Could win case
Possible re-admitance to League; more likely to be given compensation, like Sheffield United; this could be considerable.
Address an injustice
Make everyone feel better.
Potential Bidder
We appreciate that there have been many times where we have been in the situation where we have talked about potential bidders. This has been the case many times over the last four months, some of whom have been very credible people who most people in this place would have been more than happy to have taken charge of our Club. However, like most of the individuals we have had contact with, they have given up trying to deal with Mr Dale and have walked away; some having gone on turning their interest towards other Clubs. You can imagine how frustrating this has been for the Forever Bury team who between them have spent literally thousands of hours trying to get just one of these opportunities over the line. However, Forever Bury has remained steadfast in their attempt to save Bury Football Club from the mismanagement of the current owner. From relationships Forever Bury has nurtured up over the months, we were approached by a prospective bidder, who at this moment in time wants to remain anonymous.
Since that time, we have had constructive discussions and have provided professional help, relevant financial, club and league structure information even contact information for each of the relevant parties. Further, on the request of the bidder, James Frith was invited to be a part of the ongoing discussions.
Their intention is to work in collaboration with the Forever Bury, Bury Council and numerous local organisations and businesses to create a community-led football club.
They believe it’s time for a big change in the way clubs such as Bury are run and are working with organisations with a vested interest to get ready to step up to the challenge.
Although we have been in collaboration with the bidder for some time, there is much work to be done. Their intention is to get all the relevant parties and organisations with vested interests lined up before making a bid for the club. Preparation work before bidding will ensure a much smoother process going forward.
The bidder has provided the following statement.
"The statement issued by the EFL on 26th September after their assessment of the passionate and credible request from various parties to allow readmission to league 2 next season was gutting and disappointing.
However, the content was not unexpected. The current situation regarding the corporate future of The Bury Football Club Limited, whose majority shareholder is Mr Dale, is complex, to say the least.
Such complexities require careful and considered solutions, which, in turn, also require time and patience to allow meaningful progress to be made.
It must be placed on record at this stage that the current financial situation which has been allowed to develop over recent years is nothing short of catastrophic. In light of this, the statement made by the EFL last week was understandable.
The work carried out over recent weeks by the Rescue Board and, in particular, the members of Forever Bury, has been exemplary. Bury Football Club, the supporters and the community are indeed fortunate to have such dedication and passion at its core. It is unfortunate that this degree of support has not resulted in retention of an EFL place for next season. However, the fact that we are prepared to make this statement after the EFL ruling should be treated as confirmation that Bury Football Club is still alive.
As mentioned earlier, the complex ongoing discussions require a level of confidentiality. A plea goes out to Bury FC fans to respect that confidentiality at this stage whilst we continue to engage with all relevant parties, but please be assured that all avenues will continue to be explored, always with the future existence of a community-based club playing football at Gigg Lane being the main focus.
We request that you continue to support the Rescue Board in their work, and we will continue to do the same.
Please be patient, continue to respect confidences and pull together for the greater good of Bury Football Club.
Thank you for listening."
We must be clear when we say that the club is not dead. Yes, it is a shell and is Bury Football Club in name only. However, by saving the club we save the history and we save the membership of the Football Association which is absolutely crucial going forward.
Without the membership of the Football Association, any phoenix club would have to apply to be a member of the FA and start right at the bottom of the pyramid, North West Counties league, the 10th tier of football, just like AFC Wimbledon did.
If we can save the club and as result the membership of the Football Association, we would be able to potentially start higher, initial discussions have shown that this could possibly be the Vanarama Conference North, the 6th tier. This could theoretically save us at least 4 years of work and this is the best-case scenario of back to back promotions every year.
If we can get the potential bidder across the finishing line it would maintain the name, the history, the FA membership and crucially years of hard work to get us back into the football league.
Phoenix Club
Recently, we were approached by a group of fans that have been working on starting a Phoenix Club. They have made good progress in preparing the groundwork should a Phoenix Club be needed. Our priority at the time of the approach was to save Bury Football Club at all costs. So, we as a board asked for them to carry on with their efforts in the background.
The energies of the phoenix club working group have been greatly appreciated and have been growing further in strength and organisation. The working group has been in active discussions with fans on the main Bury FC social media sites such as Gigglane.com and the Facebook groups, as well as with Forever Bury.
They have been diligently putting together a list identifying potential volunteers with relevant skill sets. Their efforts have resulted in the recruitment of more than 100 volunteers who want to be involved in taking the Phoenix Club project forward.
A full application and business plan must be submitted to the FA by January 2020 in order for a Phoenix Club to play next season, so time is of the essence. Because of this short time frame and the fact Forever Bury's time and resources are currently taken up attempting to save Bury FC Ltd, we are tonight endorsing this group to take the Phoenix Club feasibility study forward.
While we hope it won't be needed, we must be prepared if it is. Later this week the working group will be meeting to provide a working structure that they can present to the public when the time is right.
It is important to stress that this is not a public meeting. That will come later and only if the rescue attempts to save Bury FC Ltd are not successful. Forever Bury will be attending the meeting as a party with a vested interest.
The Phoenix Club group welcomes new volunteers to submit their details of how they think they can help the club prepare if the application needs to go ahead. If you wish to do this, please speak to Anne Bent or submit the online form which will be available on Gigglane.com and the Facebook supporters page.
Whatever peoples’ views are toward a Phoenix Club, it has to be said it is a massive undertaking requiring substantial human and financial resources. It is a commitment not to be undertaken lightly by the individuals that put themselves forward to lead such a project. The challenges are considerable, not least raising the finance to secure and operate Gigg Lane, or an alternative venue and to pay any full time employees to head up the project administration, as it would be doubtful if this latter task could be undertaken on a strictly voluntary basis.
Liquidation
Should a solvent sale not happen in the coming weeks it is likely that the Club will be liquidated. This could be brought about in several ways:
If Mr Dale starts the process — he would then be in control.
If Capital Bridging Finance starts the process — they could call in their loan
If Mr Wiseglass starts the process — as a result of non-payment of the CVA
However, it is most likely be done by the HMRC on 16 October via their winding up petition.
It is speculated that should the Club be liquidated there may well be several parties who would be interested in taking the Club from the liquidator as a debt free entity. This on the face of it is an attractive option but may result in the Club starting off in a lower league than a solvent sale. However, such an eventuality would have to be weighed against the saving of not having to honour the CVA and paying the owner; approximately £2M.
On the plus side of this argument is that it would be unlikely that the FA would readmit Bury, based at Gigg Lane, in tiers 8, 9 or 10 based on clubs at these levels being unable to accommodate large away followings safely. However, these assumptions would need to be tested.
Summary
In summary, we are asking you, the supporters of Bury Football Club to support us in our plan going forward. That is to try and save the football club with the prospective buyer we are currently in discussions with, or any other party should this one fail, and to continue the work with the working party for the formation of a new phoenix club should the need
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tomorrow can't come quick enough on 18:09 - Oct 1 with 3825 views
They are lucky that the reorganisation lower down means that Conference North is expanding so they could go in there without putting too many noses out of joint - my impression is that non-league fans do not like clubs being parachuted in except at levels where application for membership is normal eg at NWCL level. Even then, surprising as it might be to us so high up, there are smaller clubs at lower levels than that for whom being in the NWCL is an aspiration not an indignity and involves ground upgrades and serious cost considerations.
As for 'On the plus side of this argument is that it would be unlikely that the FA would readmit Bury, based at Gigg Lane, in tiers 8, 9 or 10 based on clubs at these levels being unable to accommodate large away followings safely. However, these assumptions would need to be tested' they have obviously (conveniently) forgotten their former tenants FCUM who started in the NWCL. Also Hereford at level 9 (Midland Football League), as in this game when they were going for the title:
I personally saw AFC Wimbledon play at a few level 9 grounds when they started down in the Combined Counties League (such as Merstham who used the money made to improve their ground) and they coped OK.
If necessary level 9 clubs will make games all ticket or move to a local ground with better facilities eg FCUM playing Leek CSOB at Leek Town.
Having said all that, if they get a phoenix club going in the NWCL then I wish them all the best as long as they do not repeat their mistakes . . .
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tomorrow can't come quick enough on 18:31 - Oct 1 with 3758 views
They don’t have massive followings now, what makes them think they would as a level 8,9 or 10 Club? They would be lucky to retain 10% of their current support, if they ended up in the lower leagues. Even so, it should not be based on possible followings , where the Fa place them. I honestly believe all clubs in this situation should start in Level 10.
Their focus on playing at Gigg Lane won't do them any favours. There was no uprising when The chur announced their new stadium, somewhere in Bury that they moved into last season, so why now is Gigg Lane so important from day one? If the council and local politicians are on-side then it's unlikely they'll let whoever gets the ground do anything with it if a Bury Football Club could realistically use it within 5 years.
If they try to sue the efl it will be cringe and a total utter waste of money. I assume the Sheffield United reference is the Premier League giving them money after they were relegated and West Ham weren't docked points for the illegal Tevez contract? I've no idea how that is relevant to the Bury FC survival escapade.
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tomorrow can't come quick enough on 19:32 - Oct 1 with 3564 views
tomorrow can't come quick enough on 19:16 - Oct 1 by KenBoon
Their focus on playing at Gigg Lane won't do them any favours. There was no uprising when The chur announced their new stadium, somewhere in Bury that they moved into last season, so why now is Gigg Lane so important from day one? If the council and local politicians are on-side then it's unlikely they'll let whoever gets the ground do anything with it if a Bury Football Club could realistically use it within 5 years.
If they try to sue the efl it will be cringe and a total utter waste of money. I assume the Sheffield United reference is the Premier League giving them money after they were relegated and West Ham weren't docked points for the illegal Tevez contract? I've no idea how that is relevant to the Bury FC survival escapade.
Plus Dale has to want to sell, which does not seem to be the case anyway.
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Quite rightly, 70 of 71 Football League clubs voted not to treat Bury differently by readmitting them to the competition next season.
Previously, clubs that have gone into liquidation and reformed have returned further down football's pyramid, as seems fair.
Many have rebuilt on a sounder financial footing and are again close to where they started. There is, however, an unhealthy sense of entitlement around Bury.
It is argued they have history – as if those who folded before them did not – and should resume in League Two next season, preferred to a better-run club, denied promotion from the National League.
Local politicians are on their side with one, Ivan Lewis, MP for Bury South, threatening to take the EFL to court.
Yet, where was Lewis, or Andy Burnham, mayor of Manchester, when Hereford United went under?
If anything, Hereford's FA Cup exploits as a Southern League club defeating Newcastle in 1972 are more readily recalled than Bury winning it in 1900 and 1903.
And Chester City – founded in 1885, incidentally, the same year as Bury – produced one of British football's greatest goalscorers, Ian Rush.
The fact is, none of this mattered when these clubs could not afford to exist. To treat Bury as a special case in effect endorses the methods that brought them here.
It says that poor ownership does not matter, reckless over-spending does not matter, that as long as you have been in the club long enough, we'll see you right. 'Bury deserved more respect from the football family,' bemoaned Burnham.
No, the football family deserved more respect from Bury. They are not special, everybody is. That's why everybody gets treated the same.
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tomorrow can't come quick enough on 21:11 - Oct 1 with 3272 views
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