| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? 09:16 - Sep 16 with 7833 views | ColDale |
When comparing him with the other greats, take into consideration the level that Hendo has done it at, the longevity of doing it and the influence that he has on the team, and can we drop the "one of" when talking about Hendo? |  | | |  |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 22:53 - Sep 16 with 1742 views | Shun |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 21:52 - Sep 16 by soulboy |
He is the greatest and heres 9 reasons why. Can use both feet, can tackle, unbelieavable work rate, excellent in the air for his height, scores goals regularly, never injured, fantastic football brain, has the added responsibility of club captain, has comitted himself to the club long term. |
Good point about the injuries. It’s debatable how much influence a player has over their own predisposition to injuries, but the fact that Henderson’s been a pretty much ever-present for 5 years now is unbelievable. The more I read about him the more I love the man. |  | | |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 05:23 - Sep 17 with 1619 views | DiddyDave |
Very subjective,a bit like saying who was the best horse that ever won the Derby,the greatest boxer of all time,etc. Denis Law was the best player I ever saw (in my opinion),but he had a bad disciplinary record as Hendo has and there`s no doubt that players let the team and supporters down for getting sent off for absolutely ridiculous acts of petulance. So for that reason I`d say Reg Jenkins the best for Dale,never got sent off or even a booking from memory,scored some great goals and was a club man right to the time he went back to the West Country. |  | | |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 06:56 - Sep 17 with 1590 views | James1980 |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 12:08 - Sep 16 by TVOS1907 |
Aye, although it was a shame to see him pick-up a needless yellow card yesterday for kicking the ball away.
For me, these so-called 'doubts' are by and large created by Henderson himself (in terms of his six red cards, five of which were completely avoidable and unnecessary), the 'no blame' appeals following three of those red cards and his effectiveness when played in midfield (which is a 'doubt' created outwith Henderson).
Any 'doubts' from fans are no different to 'doubts' coming from fans about any other player at any other club in the country.
In fact, I think that doubt is undoubtedly the wrong word!
As for his previous presence on Twitter, how many people of sane mind actually correlated that with his Saturday performances.
Not many, I doubt! |
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| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 07:00 - Sep 17 with 1584 views | nordenblue |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 05:23 - Sep 17 by DiddyDave |
Very subjective,a bit like saying who was the best horse that ever won the Derby,the greatest boxer of all time,etc. Denis Law was the best player I ever saw (in my opinion),but he had a bad disciplinary record as Hendo has and there`s no doubt that players let the team and supporters down for getting sent off for absolutely ridiculous acts of petulance. So for that reason I`d say Reg Jenkins the best for Dale,never got sent off or even a booking from memory,scored some great goals and was a club man right to the time he went back to the West Country. |
How can the times a player does/doesn't get sent off or booked alone be any measure of how good they are?
On that note Ronaldo isnt a great player because he gets sent off so many times | | | |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 08:34 - Sep 17 with 1531 views | kiwidale |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 07:00 - Sep 17 by nordenblue |
How can the times a player does/doesn't get sent off or booked alone be any measure of how good they are?
On that note Ronaldo isnt a great player because he gets sent off so many times |
On a similar note how can anybody born after Jenkins retired judge who was/is the better player Reg Jenkins or Ian Henderson? the only qualified opinion would be those who have seen them both. | |
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| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 10:29 - Sep 17 with 1455 views | James1980 |
Some very subjective questions.
How much extra would have, modern pitches, training techniques, balls, protection given to players by refs and nutrition, given to Jenkins and Whitehurst's game/goal tally?
How would Hendo have faired playing in the time & teams the played in and against? | |
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| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 10:50 - Sep 17 with 1428 views | sweetcorn |
He’s dale’s GOAT for me. Of course i’ve not seen anything before around 2000, so can’t comment on previous era’s. We’ve had players who are arguably better than him, but we’ve never had someone of his quality, who has such an impact over the period of time that he has.
We’ve been lucky that we signed him at the age that he was, as if he’d been 23/24, he’d have been snapped up by someone much bigger than us.
He’s still this teams talisman and is without doubt the most important player in our squad, hope he can play until he’s 40! |  |
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| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 10:52 - Sep 17 with 1428 views | sweetcorn |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 19:57 - Sep 16 by SaxonDale |
Don't think we've had (certainly not in my time supporting Dale) a player of such quality for such a long period.I think what makes him so special is he's performed in so many systems with so many players. The role he played with Vincenti and Hogan was different to when he played alongside Done which has again evolved. We'll probably all appreciate him more in 20 years than we do now when we're thinking of the great Hill moments Hendo will feature in a great few of them. I don't think there will ever be a greater example of a Keith Hill player- broken toy, works hard and a great footballer. |
Don’t agree about him being a broken toy, henderson has always been a great football league footballer, we were just fortunate under the circumstances of him signing.
Remember being shocked at us managing to sign him and didnt think he’d be around for long and would be signed elsewhere. | |
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| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 11:07 - Sep 17 with 1414 views | D_Alien |
There's no question that Hendo is a superior footballer to Reg
Although Reg was actually a better footballer than he's given credit for - fans tend to think of scorching shots, using his physique to brush opponents aside, that type of thing - he was pretty decent with the ball at his feet, but not in Hendo's league
By the same token, Paddy McCourt was superior to Hendo. But, imo Hendo has now earned the right to be judged the 'best' Dale player for displaying his talents over a prolonged period, mainly in L1
That's no reflection on Reg, whose exploits went alongside universal admiration of his conduct as a role model. Defenders in those days were allowed to get away with GBH, which Reg soaked up and created space for players like Whitehead, Butler and Buck to exploit. He was simply magnificent
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| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 11:40 - Sep 17 with 1352 views | nordenblue |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 11:07 - Sep 17 by D_Alien |
There's no question that Hendo is a superior footballer to Reg
Although Reg was actually a better footballer than he's given credit for - fans tend to think of scorching shots, using his physique to brush opponents aside, that type of thing - he was pretty decent with the ball at his feet, but not in Hendo's league
By the same token, Paddy McCourt was superior to Hendo. But, imo Hendo has now earned the right to be judged the 'best' Dale player for displaying his talents over a prolonged period, mainly in L1
That's no reflection on Reg, whose exploits went alongside universal admiration of his conduct as a role model. Defenders in those days were allowed to get away with GBH, which Reg soaked up and created space for players like Whitehead, Butler and Buck to exploit. He was simply magnificent
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Some good points,We've probably had several players "better" individually talent wise than Hendo I just think you'd struggle to find ANYONE who over the time scale he's done it for consistently and the influence he's had over the whole team,even more staggering is his fitness hes like a freak of nature and show no sign of easing up either,legend of a man | | | |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 11:48 - Sep 17 with 1339 views | frenzied |
See you tube/i follow for interview with him after his hat trick on Sat | | | |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 11:50 - Sep 17 with 1340 views | soulboy |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 11:48 - Sep 17 by frenzied |
See you tube/i follow for interview with him after his hat trick on Sat |
See also the his goals filmed from behind the net on the official site, his 3rd looks even more incredible! [Post edited 17 Sep 2018 18:41]
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| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 12:22 - Sep 17 with 1309 views | oddjob007 |
I always look at our players and think 'what is the reason he plays at this level'
Unless exceptional (Ronaldo, Messi etc), on their day, any player is as good as any other player - it's just the top player's days are week in week out, and that consistency decreases the lower you go.
In Hendo's case, he is at our level (in my view) due to his petulance and, for want of better phrase, can sometimes be viewed to be running around like a headless chicken.
Let's not take that away from what he has done for us over 5 years. He's had offers to leave, more than likely on more money and closer to his family down south, but he's stayed, he's been loyal. He's scored season after season for us and created several memorable moments (Spurs and Leeds games instantly spring to mind.) I don't think you can ever call him lazy and he always put's a shift in. Whenever he speaks after games and watching his social media posts, he seems like a good bloke to have around the place - an example. He also seems to have his head screwed on with regards to life after football.
I am not old enough to comment on anything pre 20 years ago, but only Gary Jones comes close on everything but skill - but Hendo has that.
Loyalty, commitment, skill, professionalism (largely - forgetting the petulance), goals, memorable moments, work rate. I'll rely on the older generation to convince me the likes of Simmonds and Jenkins had all this... | | | |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 12:49 - Sep 17 with 1283 views | jpresto |
The still photo in the match gallery also shows his shirt being pulled off his back as he headed the "disallowed" goal. | | | |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 12:59 - Sep 17 with 1260 views | Albert_Whitehurst |
This guy to my right ––––––-> |  | | |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 13:19 - Sep 17 with 1236 views | kiwidale |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 12:59 - Sep 17 by Albert_Whitehurst |
This guy to my right ––––––-> |
In years to come when we have all gone and there is only statistics Albert Whitehurst will still be the best on paper. Until someone comes along and betters Alberts goal scoring record then the debate will continue futile, to highlight how futile it is how many penalties has Henderson saved?... exactly. | |
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| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 16:35 - Sep 17 with 1111 views | Albert_Whitehurst |
Henderson is still playing. At the end of his Dale career this can be weighed up more accurately | | | |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 17:09 - Sep 17 with 1079 views | judd |
Ian Sanderson and Kelvin Andrews are ace. |  |
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| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 18:25 - Sep 17 with 1017 views | soulboy |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 13:19 - Sep 17 by kiwidale |
In years to come when we have all gone and there is only statistics Albert Whitehurst will still be the best on paper. Until someone comes along and betters Alberts goal scoring record then the debate will continue futile, to highlight how futile it is how many penalties has Henderson saved?... exactly. |
I think the debate is which is our greatest ever player, i assume thats all round ability, goals, contribution the the team etc. Whitehursts outstanding scoring record is the best but thats only one feature, albeit vital. Goalkeeper Lev Yashin was voted Russias best ever player, so its not just about scoring goals. As for your irrelevant last point Hendo hasnt saved any penalties, i doubt if Whitehurst did either. | | | |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 18:40 - Sep 17 with 992 views | TVOS1907 |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 05:23 - Sep 17 by DiddyDave |
Very subjective,a bit like saying who was the best horse that ever won the Derby,the greatest boxer of all time,etc. Denis Law was the best player I ever saw (in my opinion),but he had a bad disciplinary record as Hendo has and there`s no doubt that players let the team and supporters down for getting sent off for absolutely ridiculous acts of petulance. So for that reason I`d say Reg Jenkins the best for Dale,never got sent off or even a booking from memory,scored some great goals and was a club man right to the time he went back to the West Country. |
The players are playing in completely different eras.
The likes of Reg would have been booked every week in the modern game, so it’s futile using that criteria for comparison. |  |
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| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 19:31 - Sep 17 with 923 views | mingthemerciless |
I don't think Reg overdid the physical stuff. He was just a big guy who ran his weight. | | | |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 19:50 - Sep 17 with 902 views | pioneer |
Players got booked and sent off in those days so Reg stood out in terms of his disciplinary record and fair play. Players like Steve Melledew and hughie riley had a bit of a petulant streak and collected bookings accordingly - not Reg. | | | |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 19:59 - Sep 17 with 895 views | kiwidale |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 18:40 - Sep 17 by TVOS1907 |
The players are playing in completely different eras.
The likes of Reg would have been booked every week in the modern game, so it’s futile using that criteria for comparison. |
Whatever criteria used you cant compare a goalkeeper with a goal scorer in the same team never mind across different era. Likewise statistics alone is not necessarily the only criteria is Ronaldo better than Messi? is Messi better than Gordon Banks? My favourite player of all time is Jenkins for many reasons not just goals scored but if that was the only criteria to judge him by he would still be my favourite player, was he better than Stan Milburn? that I'm not so sure about I'm also not sure whether Reg was the best player in the 69 team so many to choose from. Whitehead was a joy to watch as was Rudd and Buck it's simply too subjective and futile to say any player was the greatest of all time however its ok to have a favourite player of all time or as Diddy Dave put it "best player he ever saw". [Post edited 17 Sep 2018 20:07]
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| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 20:06 - Sep 17 with 882 views | TVOS1907 |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 19:59 - Sep 17 by kiwidale |
Whatever criteria used you cant compare a goalkeeper with a goal scorer in the same team never mind across different era. Likewise statistics alone is not necessarily the only criteria is Ronaldo better than Messi? is Messi better than Gordon Banks? My favourite player of all time is Jenkins for many reasons not just goals scored but if that was the only criteria to judge him by he would still be my favourite player, was he better than Stan Milburn? that I'm not so sure about I'm also not sure whether Reg was the best player in the 69 team so many to choose from. Whitehead was a joy to watch as was Rudd and Buck it's simply too subjective and futile to say any player was the greatest of all time however its ok to have a favourite player of all time or as Diddy Dave put it "best player he ever saw". [Post edited 17 Sep 2018 20:07]
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| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 21:16 - Sep 17 with 793 views | mingthemerciless |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 19:59 - Sep 17 by kiwidale |
Whatever criteria used you cant compare a goalkeeper with a goal scorer in the same team never mind across different era. Likewise statistics alone is not necessarily the only criteria is Ronaldo better than Messi? is Messi better than Gordon Banks? My favourite player of all time is Jenkins for many reasons not just goals scored but if that was the only criteria to judge him by he would still be my favourite player, was he better than Stan Milburn? that I'm not so sure about I'm also not sure whether Reg was the best player in the 69 team so many to choose from. Whitehead was a joy to watch as was Rudd and Buck it's simply too subjective and futile to say any player was the greatest of all time however its ok to have a favourite player of all time or as Diddy Dave put it "best player he ever saw". [Post edited 17 Sep 2018 20:07]
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I'm not up to speed with the latest group of players but of the ones I have seen Reg was the best. We've had players that have gone on to bigger things like Craig Dawson, David Cross and Alan Taylor to name a few but if you're looking for a player who typified a real club man when times were tough Reg was number one for me. He was there through thick and thin, and there was plenty of thin in those days, but he always looked a class act.
Alan Reeves was a top player also. Football wise he was a better player than Dawson but maybe not quite as good a defender especially with the ball in the air. | | | |
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