| Match thread: Sunderland away 14:03 - Sep 22 with 23161 views | 442Dale |
Subs:
4⃣ Jimmy McNulty
1⃣1⃣ Jordan Williams
1⃣6⃣ Matty Done
1⃣7⃣ David Perkins
2⃣2⃣ Brendan Moore
2⃣5⃣ Daniel Adshead
4⃣1⃣ Luke Matheson
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| Match thread: Sunderland away on 18:07 - Sep 22 with 3187 views | DaleiLama |
| Match thread: Sunderland away on 18:03 - Sep 22 by D_Alien |
Might've been a different game had Wilbraham capitalised on being set up by Hendo, we were matching them at that point. After their first goal, it became a procession until they took their foot off the gas
One shining light was Hart's performance, he looked very accomplished both in defence and attack
At least we scored, and i feel Done should be starting in place of Gillam |
Reading their match thread - I'm only up to 4-0 so far - the natives were very restless for the first half hour+. Sometimes fine margins tip games. Boy did this one tip. |  |
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| Match thread: Sunderland away on 18:08 - Sep 22 with 3177 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Match thread: Sunderland away on 17:32 - Sep 22 by SandyDrum |
Wilbraham and Camps today were so disappointing.
I can't see how Alby is earning a wage, that chance in the first 10 minutes, anyone could have scored but yet again he found Row Z.
He's been such a disappointment. |
HE IS very experienced though |  |
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| Match thread: Sunderland away on 18:11 - Sep 22 with 3167 views | richfoad32 |
| Match thread: Sunderland away on 18:03 - Sep 22 by D_Alien |
Might've been a different game had Wilbraham capitalised on being set up by Hendo, we were matching them at that point. After their first goal, it became a procession until they took their foot off the gas
One shining light was Hart's performance, he looked very accomplished both in defence and attack
At least we scored, and i feel Done should be starting in place of Gillam |
What's happened to Clough, I'm guessing he's injured because surely Hill wouldn't have frozen him out after he lost his head at Scunny? I'm not sure of loan rules but are we still on the hook to Forest for whatever we're paying, if he's injured? |  | | |
| Match thread: Sunderland away on 18:11 - Sep 22 with 3163 views | rochdale_ranger |
Nobody expected anything today other than a day out in a ground with premier league facilities and a day on the pop. I’m putting this one in the Barnsley drawer. Fair play to those who went up there. And that tingly Southampton feeling we all in our bollocks last night and this morning was obviously a shared delusion. |  | | |
| Match thread: Sunderland away on 18:14 - Sep 22 with 3135 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Match thread: Sunderland away on 18:11 - Sep 22 by richfoad32 |
What's happened to Clough, I'm guessing he's injured because surely Hill wouldn't have frozen him out after he lost his head at Scunny? I'm not sure of loan rules but are we still on the hook to Forest for whatever we're paying, if he's injured? |
Ring Chris dunphy and ask him, only way we will find out | |
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| Match thread: Sunderland away on 18:15 - Sep 22 with 3129 views | fitzochris |
| Match thread: Sunderland away on 17:36 - Sep 22 by richfoad32 |
How are you aware of this? Sorry if it's been mentioned elsewhere and I missed it. |
It hasn’t been mentioned anywhere else and I’ll not say how I know. Might not be true, as I wasn’t there (a wee one for Kiwi there, as he liked your comment). I believe the person who told me, though. [Post edited 22 Sep 2018 18:24]
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| Match thread: Sunderland away on 18:17 - Sep 22 with 3117 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Match thread: Sunderland away on 18:11 - Sep 22 by rochdale_ranger |
Nobody expected anything today other than a day out in a ground with premier league facilities and a day on the pop. I’m putting this one in the Barnsley drawer. Fair play to those who went up there. And that tingly Southampton feeling we all in our bollocks last night and this morning was obviously a shared delusion. |
I disagree, Sunderland were nothing special, we gifted them their goals, and our hoof ball tactics were poor. Keith hill needs to wake up and rediscover his ability to change things if they aren’t working . | |
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| Match thread: Sunderland away on 18:18 - Sep 22 with 3106 views | rochdale_ranger |
| Match thread: Sunderland away on 18:14 - Sep 22 by rochdaleriddler |
Ring Chris dunphy and ask him, only way we will find out |
I thought we had to correspond with the club through the medium of letter writing should we want to enquire about the fitness or eligibility of the players
You only ring the chairman to get Hill out.
You are very naughty Mr Riddler. | | | |
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| Match thread: Sunderland away on 18:23 - Sep 22 with 3072 views | kiwidale |
| Match thread: Sunderland away on 18:15 - Sep 22 by fitzochris |
It hasn’t been mentioned anywhere else and I’ll not say how I know. Might not be true, as I wasn’t there (a wee one for Kiwi there, as he liked your comment). I believe the person who told me, though. [Post edited 22 Sep 2018 18:24]
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It did cross my mind to be a bit mischievous Chris but decided on détente. | |
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| Match thread: Sunderland away on 18:25 - Sep 22 with 3052 views | 442Dale |
Wilbraham really needs to improve. It’s the basics that are the biggest disappointment so far, including not being a reliable outlet to ensure we hold onto the ball. The poor finishing could be forgiven if the overall contribution was valuable. It’s early days, but the half fit Steven Davies was offering us much more.
We don’t need a modern day Paul Williams-type signing, if things don’t improve, and I’m sure the player himself would admit they need to, then we need to admit it isn’t working and move forward. Let’s see. | |
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| Match thread: Sunderland away on 18:41 - Sep 22 with 2955 views | D_Alien |
| Match thread: Sunderland away on 18:25 - Sep 22 by 442Dale |
Wilbraham really needs to improve. It’s the basics that are the biggest disappointment so far, including not being a reliable outlet to ensure we hold onto the ball. The poor finishing could be forgiven if the overall contribution was valuable. It’s early days, but the half fit Steven Davies was offering us much more.
We don’t need a modern day Paul Williams-type signing, if things don’t improve, and I’m sure the player himself would admit they need to, then we need to admit it isn’t working and move forward. Let’s see. |
Like you, I was expecting basic competence if nothing else, but so far he looks like he was dragged up from non-league not coming down a level
I suspect it'll take a while until Hilly loses patience, unless he improves |  |
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| Match thread: Sunderland away on 18:45 - Sep 22 with 2922 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Match thread: Sunderland away on 18:18 - Sep 22 by rochdale_ranger |
I thought we had to correspond with the club through the medium of letter writing should we want to enquire about the fitness or eligibility of the players
You only ring the chairman to get Hill out.
You are very naughty Mr Riddler. |
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| Match thread: Sunderland away on 20:17 - Sep 22 with 2661 views | rochdaleriddler |
Just bumped into Calvin’s dad, he said we showed too much respect to Sunderland , who he thought were v average | |
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| Match thread: Sunderland away on 20:21 - Sep 22 with 2641 views | 49thseason |
| Match thread: Sunderland away on 18:25 - Sep 22 by 442Dale |
Wilbraham really needs to improve. It’s the basics that are the biggest disappointment so far, including not being a reliable outlet to ensure we hold onto the ball. The poor finishing could be forgiven if the overall contribution was valuable. It’s early days, but the half fit Steven Davies was offering us much more.
We don’t need a modern day Paul Williams-type signing, if things don’t improve, and I’m sure the player himself would admit they need to, then we need to admit it isn’t working and move forward. Let’s see. |
Dogshit Donnelly offered more. |  | | |
| Match thread: Sunderland away on 20:39 - Sep 22 with 2545 views | nordenblue |
| Match thread: Sunderland away on 20:17 - Sep 22 by rochdaleriddler |
Just bumped into Calvin’s dad, he said we showed too much respect to Sunderland , who he thought were v average |
I hope you apologised... | | | |
| Match thread: Sunderland away on 21:03 - Sep 22 with 2467 views | smaclad1 |
We competed early doors and Alby missed the best chance we created. They get a goal from someone left unattended on edge of 6 yard box and don't look back. As the game goes on they get more into it and look the team they probably are - one of the best in this division - and we looked second best and chasing around. | | | |
| Match thread: Sunderland away on 21:12 - Sep 22 with 2417 views | TVOS1907 |
| Match thread: Sunderland away on 17:08 - Sep 22 by Ninco |
Time for Hill to go. I'm not blaming him for today's result as I never expected us to win, but I am blaming him for today's performance. What tactical awareness did we show? Why do we keep chopping and changing both the team and the position that the players play in? I'm not surprised that the players don't know where they are up to.
It's okay saying he has a 5 year contract and we will have to pay compensation to him, but in the meantime, fans are paying good money to watch dross week after week. We have never done what other clubs do and gambled on a really good manager who can possibly keep us up or even take us further. We always seem to get someone in the Hill / Parkin / Coleman / Barrow style which clearly isn't working. If we keep doing the same things, we will keep getting the same results. It's time to try something new before it's too late and all that work gets wasted by Hill and his merrymen taking us down. |
I'm struggling to comprehend how you can include Hill alongside the likes of Parkin, Coleman and Barrow.
Parkin was poached from Mansfield, by the way, and at the time was a 'really good manager', as proven by what he did in his first spell at the club.
So, who are these 'really good managers' who aren't already doing 'really good jobs' somewhere else? Which other clubs similar to us have 'gambled on a really good manager'?
'fans are paying good money to watch dross week after week'
Burton wasn't dross; Grimsby wasn't dross; Coventry wasn't dross; bury wasn't dross; last week wasn't dross.
By all means single out poor performances against the likes of Peterborough, Barnsley, Walsall and Sunderland, but at least put things into perspective. |  |
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| Match thread: Sunderland away on 21:28 - Sep 22 with 2316 views | Dale23years |
| Match thread: Sunderland away on 21:12 - Sep 22 by TVOS1907 |
I'm struggling to comprehend how you can include Hill alongside the likes of Parkin, Coleman and Barrow.
Parkin was poached from Mansfield, by the way, and at the time was a 'really good manager', as proven by what he did in his first spell at the club.
So, who are these 'really good managers' who aren't already doing 'really good jobs' somewhere else? Which other clubs similar to us have 'gambled on a really good manager'?
'fans are paying good money to watch dross week after week'
Burton wasn't dross; Grimsby wasn't dross; Coventry wasn't dross; bury wasn't dross; last week wasn't dross.
By all means single out poor performances against the likes of Peterborough, Barnsley, Walsall and Sunderland, but at least put things into perspective. |
Put it in to perspective you mentioned 2 teams that are league below us ( 1 of them was in the check a trade crap cup) .
We probably got the best squad we've ever had, so do you not think we should be performing better??? | |
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| Match thread: Sunderland away on 21:34 - Sep 22 with 2252 views | TVOS1907 |
| Match thread: Sunderland away on 17:30 - Sep 22 by Ninco |
Not at all. I was one of the people who never wanted Hill back in the first place as I thought it was disgusting that he just walked out when Barnsley approached him and the comments he made about the fans. However, when he was appointed, it was a case of lets see what he can do. Always at the front of my mind is that both before he left and when he came back, he was backed financially by the board much more than they backed the likes of Parkin, Coleman etc. so naturally, I would expect to see a better set of results from Hill than I did from the other managers. I'm sure you will agree that none of the other managers had a set of backroom staff anything like Hill has got at his disposal, and despite the bigger budget, bigger backroom staff, bigger squad etc, we are not seeing any better from Hill than we saw from the likes of Parkin.
I know Hill got us promotion to league 1 twice, and I applaud that, but we can't keep using that year after year and to answer your question, he got us a win last week, but a win doesn't make a season. We need a lot more consistency to survive in league 1 and we wont get it from Hill.
I got Lynched on here for saying the same about Coleman, then a few weeks later, the same people who did the lynching were also calling for Coleman to go. A manager doesn't keep his influence on the players indefinitely. There comes a point when the players lose respect of the manager and I feel that the time has come. |
"Always at the front of my mind is that both before he left and when he came back, he was backed financially by the board much more than they backed the likes of Parkin, Coleman etc. so naturally, I would expect to see a better set of results from Hill than I did from the other managers."
Where do you think the money has come from to back Hill? I'll give you Scott Hogan and Craig Dawson to name just two.
"We are not seeing any better from Hill than we saw from the likes of Parkin."
I really liked Steve Parkin as a manager and it was a shame things turned sour in the end.
But I must have missed the bit where he got us up to League One (twice) and then kept us there into a fifth season.
Yes Hill, like all other managers, makes mistakes, but some of the things you have written have more holes in them than our defence! | |
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| Match thread: Sunderland away on 21:38 - Sep 22 with 2216 views | TVOS1907 |
| Match thread: Sunderland away on 17:58 - Sep 22 by Ninco |
As I stated in my post, I am not basing my views on one game. I never wanted Hill back in the first place. |
Hypothetically speaking, do you think another manager would have done what Hill has done since he came back?
Promotion to League 1.
Only one bad full season in League 1.
FA Cup fourth round three times.
FA Cup fifth round once, including a trip to Wembley.
Still holding a grudge because he (like Parkin and numerous players before him) decided to better himself and try to further his career by going to Barnsley is a bit pathetic. | |
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| Match thread: Sunderland away on 21:50 - Sep 22 with 2149 views | rochdale_ranger |
Hill has irked me with some of his attacks on the fans in his post match interviews but we have simply never had a better manager. The thing that is really sticking out though is the new brand of negative going backwards football and baffling decisions with regards to playing players out of position and leaving people on the bench. Where’s the no fear football we are accustomed to under Keith Hill.
If he has fell out with Perkins he’s obviously got poor man management skills. The Perkins we have now had gone and done bigger things and isn’t the kid that scored the wonder goal against Darlo. | | | |
| Match thread: Sunderland away on 21:52 - Sep 22 with 2135 views | TVOS1907 |
| Match thread: Sunderland away on 21:28 - Sep 22 by Dale23years |
Put it in to perspective you mentioned 2 teams that are league below us ( 1 of them was in the check a trade crap cup) .
We probably got the best squad we've ever had, so do you not think we should be performing better??? |
I mentioned every team we have played as it wouldn't be fair to be selective.
Yes, I think we should be doing better, although that doesn't take into account improvements other clubs have made to their squads as well.
However, the season as a whole hasn't been the 'dross' Ninco mentioned. There have been some good performances and moments as well as the bad ones [especially over the last month] and as Shun put it on another post, it's probably going to be the story of the season, up to January at least, when I would hope we are going to work on improving the defence.
After years and years of watching us struggle in the lower half of Division Four, these are halcyon days, relatively speaking, and getting so wound-up and irate over us losing to a team like Sunderland [How much do you think they are paying Cattermole] is completely losing perspective. | |
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| Match thread: Sunderland away on 21:54 - Sep 22 with 2118 views | TVOS1907 |
| Match thread: Sunderland away on 21:50 - Sep 22 by rochdale_ranger |
Hill has irked me with some of his attacks on the fans in his post match interviews but we have simply never had a better manager. The thing that is really sticking out though is the new brand of negative going backwards football and baffling decisions with regards to playing players out of position and leaving people on the bench. Where’s the no fear football we are accustomed to under Keith Hill.
If he has fell out with Perkins he’s obviously got poor man management skills. The Perkins we have now had gone and done bigger things and isn’t the kid that scored the wonder goal against Darlo. |
It's a fair point about Perkins, but the one who scored against Darlington was ten years younger. | |
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| Match thread: Sunderland away on 21:56 - Sep 22 with 2107 views | D_Alien |
| Match thread: Sunderland away on 21:50 - Sep 22 by rochdale_ranger |
Hill has irked me with some of his attacks on the fans in his post match interviews but we have simply never had a better manager. The thing that is really sticking out though is the new brand of negative going backwards football and baffling decisions with regards to playing players out of position and leaving people on the bench. Where’s the no fear football we are accustomed to under Keith Hill.
If he has fell out with Perkins he’s obviously got poor man management skills. The Perkins we have now had gone and done bigger things and isn’t the kid that scored the wonder goal against Darlo. |
We could've used his experience out there today. At times we just needed someone to put their foot on the ball in midfield and pick out a simple forward pass. He was the man for the job, and leaving him out of precisely the type of game he was brought in for is a nonsense, whatever might've gone on behind the scenes | |
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| Match thread: Sunderland away on 21:59 - Sep 22 with 2080 views | TVOS1907 |
| Match thread: Sunderland away on 21:56 - Sep 22 by D_Alien |
We could've used his experience out there today. At times we just needed someone to put their foot on the ball in midfield and pick out a simple forward pass. He was the man for the job, and leaving him out of precisely the type of game he was brought in for is a nonsense, whatever might've gone on behind the scenes |
I'd agree with that. It would be nice to hear more about the thought process behind him not being included. | |
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