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Wow, thought we were going to win by 5 today. Instead we sat back, Calvin flicked on to thin air, and we rode our luck . Gateshead deserved a replay. Ref was awful
The biggest travesty yesterday was discovering the Star Inn is closed until further notice. Had a few pints of Copper Dragon in the Spotland Social instead.
It’s a hard life eh !!!!
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2nd half tactics on 14:36 - Nov 11 with 2694 views
"I'll take the opinions of managers in the championship regarding his midfield stewardship, those who've played him week in week out over a period of time "
Perkins started just 2 championship matches last season and was a sub in 11... hardly week in week out.
With the loss of pace, he has lost a vital ingredient in his toolbag. The David Perkins we see today is a shadow of the player we signed all those years ago.
He is ok to bring on to help see a game out. That’s it, wilbraham is ok to sit in the stands
I now see Perkins’s return as that of Matty dones. I was excited when they first come back but soon come to the realisation that they are both passed it and are no longer playing for the big move.
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2nd half tactics on 20:41 - Nov 11 with 2442 views
"I'll take the opinions of managers in the championship regarding his midfield stewardship, those who've played him week in week out over a period of time "
Perkins started just 2 championship matches last season and was a sub in 11... hardly week in week out.
With the loss of pace, he has lost a vital ingredient in his toolbag. The David Perkins we see today is a shadow of the player we signed all those years ago.
I think most of us will be shadows of the people we were 11 years ago, in particular someone who has to run around on a football field for a living.
When I was your age, I used to enjoy the odd game of tennis. Or was it golf?
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2nd half tactics on 22:33 - Nov 11 with 2370 views
Perkins will never be the same player he was 11 years ago simply because he's 11 years older and one aspect being a pro' footballer is fitness, not to mention quickness of thought, etc.
It's the same for the rest of us, but it will stand out more in a professional sportsman.
When I was your age, I used to enjoy the odd game of tennis. Or was it golf?
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2nd half tactics on 10:06 - Nov 12 with 2177 views
Perkins will never be the same player he was 11 years ago simply because he's 11 years older and one aspect being a pro' footballer is fitness, not to mention quickness of thought, etc.
It's the same for the rest of us, but it will stand out more in a professional sportsman.
No I did n't.......it's all about hope and expectation.
We expected Perks to have lost a yard or two of speed, but hoped he would still have retained the other abilities (perhaps to a lesser degree) that he possessed 11 years back.....
So my point remains pertinant...It Is A Hard Life....fe
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2nd half tactics on 10:43 - Nov 12 with 2142 views
No I did n't.......it's all about hope and expectation.
We expected Perks to have lost a yard or two of speed, but hoped he would still have retained the other abilities (perhaps to a lesser degree) that he possessed 11 years back.....
So my point remains pertinant...It Is A Hard Life....fe
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Right.
When I was your age, I used to enjoy the odd game of tennis. Or was it golf?
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2nd half tactics on 11:18 - Nov 12 with 2107 views
Im as unfit today as I was then, thing is I was not doing a job that depended on my physical prowess, so comparison with a footballer are not relevant
But Perkins will be as fit as his mind, age and body allow him to be. No footballer will be the same as they were 11 years ago, unless they’re a freak of nature.
Do you still have the same enthusiasm and interest for your job as you did in 2007? I know I certainly don’t.
When I was your age, I used to enjoy the odd game of tennis. Or was it golf?
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2nd half tactics on 11:41 - Nov 12 with 2085 views
But Perkins will be as fit as his mind, age and body allow him to be. No footballer will be the same as they were 11 years ago, unless they’re a freak of nature.
Do you still have the same enthusiasm and interest for your job as you did in 2007? I know I certainly don’t.
Many people who post on here get excited at the prospect of a former and much-loved player returning to Rochdale even if they are several years older than they were when they left. However are we really expecting them to produce their former magic - several years on, having probably played at a higher level before slowly sinking down the leagues in our direction?
Both Perkins and Done are both good squad players to have for a number of reasons, I am not sure why people are surprised that they have aged and lost a bit of their younger magic.
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2nd half tactics on 12:22 - Nov 12 with 2048 views
Many people who post on here get excited at the prospect of a former and much-loved player returning to Rochdale even if they are several years older than they were when they left. However are we really expecting them to produce their former magic - several years on, having probably played at a higher level before slowly sinking down the leagues in our direction?
Both Perkins and Done are both good squad players to have for a number of reasons, I am not sure why people are surprised that they have aged and lost a bit of their younger magic.
Exactly!
When I was your age, I used to enjoy the odd game of tennis. Or was it golf?
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2nd half tactics on 13:50 - Nov 12 with 1934 views
The unfortunate thing is that space doesn't score many goals it is usually one of the other players .
Whether you're a fan of it or not, zonal marking at corners (for instance) is deployed by some of the most highly-rated coaches in world football
Perkins deploys the same principles but higher up the pitch, and coaches in the championship were quite happy for him to deploy it. A lot of tv post-match analysis using graphics concerns the space that teams have left for others to exploit
If it were simply a case of finding a man and marking him, no footballer would ever have time to do anything else, i.e. creative
And on the subject of misplaced passes, if you constantly and fearlessly put yourself in a position to receive a pass - thus allowing team-mates a constant get-out-of-jail option - you're inevitably going to be playing more passes than the majority and i'll refer you back to his high success ratio; but people choose only to see or comment on the misplaced ones
What really gets my goat though is something i've been aware of from a certain type of fan since i was a lad - they're just waiting for a player to make a mistake so they can shout abuse. Perkins seems to have become the current scapegoat - even before he comes onto the pitch, some fans are giving him stick. It happened again on Saturday, yet he saw the game out for us. I'm sure he's experienced enough to cope with all that, and he's certainly got more guts in the way he plays than any of them
But Perkins will be as fit as his mind, age and body allow him to be. No footballer will be the same as they were 11 years ago, unless they’re a freak of nature.
Do you still have the same enthusiasm and interest for your job as you did in 2007? I know I certainly don’t.
No I quit and retired 3 years ago, but I could still do the job as well as a 25 year old
The keeping situation is causing consternation? Good. Might help the manager realise that he’s partly to blame because we now have our best keeper on the bench, an on-loan player who is third choice and the current no.1 making regular mistakes. Hope none of the crowd said anything about players pulling out of challenges too...
Rumours coming out that we are looking to bring in a 4th keeper in the window and some leaked footage of one of his more memorable performances below.
Meanwhile, footage of Mark Lillis honing his son's technique early in his career also found
Whether you're a fan of it or not, zonal marking at corners (for instance) is deployed by some of the most highly-rated coaches in world football
Perkins deploys the same principles but higher up the pitch, and coaches in the championship were quite happy for him to deploy it. A lot of tv post-match analysis using graphics concerns the space that teams have left for others to exploit
If it were simply a case of finding a man and marking him, no footballer would ever have time to do anything else, i.e. creative
And on the subject of misplaced passes, if you constantly and fearlessly put yourself in a position to receive a pass - thus allowing team-mates a constant get-out-of-jail option - you're inevitably going to be playing more passes than the majority and i'll refer you back to his high success ratio; but people choose only to see or comment on the misplaced ones
What really gets my goat though is something i've been aware of from a certain type of fan since i was a lad - they're just waiting for a player to make a mistake so they can shout abuse. Perkins seems to have become the current scapegoat - even before he comes onto the pitch, some fans are giving him stick. It happened again on Saturday, yet he saw the game out for us. I'm sure he's experienced enough to cope with all that, and he's certainly got more guts in the way he plays than any of them
One of the basic ideas of the game is when in possession find space when not on possession mark a player of course there are exceptions i.e. defensive walls or a man on the goal line. It seems we have to agree to disagree as we have different opinions and that is one of the things about football it's a game of opinions. I can not comment on last Saturday's match as I wasn't there
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2nd half tactics on 13:48 - Nov 13 with 1512 views
One of the basic ideas of the game is when in possession find space when not on possession mark a player of course there are exceptions i.e. defensive walls or a man on the goal line. It seems we have to agree to disagree as we have different opinions and that is one of the things about football it's a game of opinions. I can not comment on last Saturday's match as I wasn't there
Of course people have different opinions, and that includes the coaches and managers for whom Perkins has played and who would've had something to say if they'd been unhappy with the way he plays when not in possession
By all means criticise if you must if he has a poor game, but criticising him for a skill that he's acquired through coaching and experience is a bit off, and that applies to a player at any stage of their career
Of course people have different opinions, and that includes the coaches and managers for whom Perkins has played and who would've had something to say if they'd been unhappy with the way he plays when not in possession
By all means criticise if you must if he has a poor game, but criticising him for a skill that he's acquired through coaching and experience is a bit off, and that applies to a player at any stage of their career
That is the problem I don't consider marking space a skill .
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2nd half tactics on 15:25 - Nov 13 with 1421 views
That is the problem I don't consider marking space a skill .
Would you consider a player finding space a skill? how about creating space on or off the ball? many teams use zonal marking rather than man marking you need some skill to do that successfully.
This is not the time for bickering.
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2nd half tactics on 16:40 - Nov 13 with 1352 views
I went back to play - just local league stuff - at about 36. Trouble being, I'd forgotten how hard being a full-back was 'especially' as their left-winger was having a field-day skinning me time and again. I'd always prided myself on (fast-twitch muscles) lightening pace and change of direction.
When coming up against someone reasonably useful but half my age, time does unfortunately tell. We might think we're still able but those minutest changes of direction, acceleration - even though top speeds over distance might still be similar - all start to wane.
In reference to Perkins and the early part of the game against Leicester (as I didn't get to the Gateshead game) I thought he looked harrassed in that their development squad (hardly full of dead wood) were chasing him down and he was often running the wrong way and looking for help. Rabbit caught in the headlights springs to mind BUT it's not every week, in games full of so much youth, that he'll be playing in matches that are close to 200mph - even the youngsters were out on their feet!
Cup matches 'can' be similar - afterall, winner takes all and progresses - so would hope Perkins is more able in league matches to be able to put his foot on the ball and face opposition.
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2nd half tactics on 18:34 - Nov 13 with 1301 views
Perkins has shown his worth in the two recent victories at home when he’s come on as a sub and helped us see games out. It’s been a basic requirement which many pointed to as a positive when he returned and on the evidence of those games he has illustrated he has a part to play in the squad.
However, his passing has been poor since pre-season and I’m really not sure why. It’s been some really basic balls too, not just those looking to progress the play. Add to that his choices when trying to shift the ball away from an opponent (when he knows himself that he’s not as quick as he was) are poor. However, these haven’t been an issue in those appearances from the bench when his positional play, calm head and experience are far more useful than passing or trying to beat men.
That is the problem I don't consider marking space a skill .
Knowing when to position yourself in space or mark a man is definitely a skill. A full back will often cover in a zone when the play is on the opposite side of the pitch, rather than be tight to their direct opponent. A centre half may also be positioned within a zone, especially if there is only one striker up top. Their position within that zone could be vitally important in order to cover for their colleague if they lose a header or get turned.
Modern football is much more tactically nuanced than in the past and many teams look to exploit players who are not positioned in the correct space within a zone, in specific phase of play, hence the trend of playing out from the back. One player not in the correct space within a zone and three passes later a chance and potentially a goal is created.
So many goals are scored within a few passes of a change of possession due to the very fact that players are out of position. If you read any of the many excellent recent football books they all stress the importance of positioning. One book has a fascinating chapter on the importance of Pirlo and his positioning with and without the ball to the Italian national team.
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2nd half tactics on 18:59 - Nov 13 with 1248 views
Knowing when to position yourself in space or mark a man is definitely a skill. A full back will often cover in a zone when the play is on the opposite side of the pitch, rather than be tight to their direct opponent. A centre half may also be positioned within a zone, especially if there is only one striker up top. Their position within that zone could be vitally important in order to cover for their colleague if they lose a header or get turned.
Modern football is much more tactically nuanced than in the past and many teams look to exploit players who are not positioned in the correct space within a zone, in specific phase of play, hence the trend of playing out from the back. One player not in the correct space within a zone and three passes later a chance and potentially a goal is created.
So many goals are scored within a few passes of a change of possession due to the very fact that players are out of position. If you read any of the many excellent recent football books they all stress the importance of positioning. One book has a fascinating chapter on the importance of Pirlo and his positioning with and without the ball to the Italian national team.
One thing that has stood the test of time is the player who can read games and knows where to be. Pirlo was so great because he did that instinctively, it's the ultimate talent for any footballer to have and they can play in any game in any era.
Yes, players can be coached to be better, but it's visible to those who have that ability ingrained when others are thinking about it.
That is the problem I don't consider marking space a skill .
It's not "marking space" though - you're still thinking in terms of marking. It's positioning to cut out potential channels through which the ball can be played, thus limiting options for the man in possession
Learning how to position yourself is a skill, and one which our young midfielders will be learning from Perkins. Watch the graphics during post-match analyses - this is something top class retired players bang on about time and again
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