| 'Waiting Game' Who's going to sign first? 01:01 - May 16 with 12461 views | _Windydale |
Aaron Morley, Done or Rathbone and 4 others shrewdly rubbing their chins. Waiting to see what offers from other clubs tantalise and titillate.
Who's the first to renew? Maybe the opening gambit is to wait a month, for a more 'high profile' club to come knocking?
hope to see Morley and Rathbone sign and get onboard. However, I hope we can get a final settled squad here before the training holiday to Bogner Regis.
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| 'Waiting Game' Who's going to sign first? on 20:25 - May 16 with 4754 views | isitme |
I suppose you would also need to take into account the relative strength of the opposition we played in each of those seasons - the strength of schedule so to speak. |  | | |
| 'Waiting Game' Who's going to sign first? on 20:29 - May 16 with 4735 views | 49thseason |
Another look at results for December Jan and Feb reveals the following:'
18-19 . 11 games 6 points 0.54 ppg
17-18. 11 games 6 points 0.54 ppg
16-17 .. 12 games 18 points 1.5 ppg
15-16 .. 13 games 18 points 1.38 ppg
14-15 .. 10 games 14 points 1.4 ppg
The results for the last 2 seasons have been worse after the first 10 games as winter has arrived and have improved as the pitches have got better towards the end of the season it has been my belief that the team has been too lightweight to cope with heavier pitches against physically bigger teams during winter, a problem that needs fixing. In essence, we need some bigger lads. |  | | |
| 'Waiting Game' Who's going to sign first? on 20:53 - May 16 with 4670 views | TVOS1907 |
| 'Waiting Game' Who's going to sign first? on 20:25 - May 16 by isitme |
I suppose you would also need to take into account the relative strength of the opposition we played in each of those seasons - the strength of schedule so to speak. |
Peterborough, plus nine others! |  |
| When I was your age, I used to enjoy the odd game of tennis. Or was it golf? |
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| 'Waiting Game' Who's going to sign first? on 20:55 - May 16 with 4665 views | isitme |
| 'Waiting Game' Who's going to sign first? on 20:53 - May 16 by TVOS1907 |
Peterborough, plus nine others! |
True!
It would be a very good stats project though. | | | |
| 'Waiting Game' Who's going to sign first? on 20:58 - May 16 with 4646 views | boromat |
| 'Waiting Game' Who's going to sign first? on 20:29 - May 16 by 49thseason |
Another look at results for December Jan and Feb reveals the following:'
18-19 . 11 games 6 points 0.54 ppg
17-18. 11 games 6 points 0.54 ppg
16-17 .. 12 games 18 points 1.5 ppg
15-16 .. 13 games 18 points 1.38 ppg
14-15 .. 10 games 14 points 1.4 ppg
The results for the last 2 seasons have been worse after the first 10 games as winter has arrived and have improved as the pitches have got better towards the end of the season it has been my belief that the team has been too lightweight to cope with heavier pitches against physically bigger teams during winter, a problem that needs fixing. In essence, we need some bigger lads. |
We generally look to sell players in January and those discussions in December and then the changes themselves probably don't help with continuity. However by the end the the season the new look squad normally looks a bit more settled. Guessing this also convert to results? | |
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| 'Waiting Game' Who's going to sign first? on 21:03 - May 16 with 4619 views | TVOS1907 |
| 'Waiting Game' Who's going to sign first? on 20:55 - May 16 by isitme |
True!
It would be a very good stats project though. |
Yes, although the strengths of the opposition only tend to become apparent a little further down the line. | |
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| 'Waiting Game' Who's going to sign first? on 18:38 - May 17 with 4111 views | jokerthief |
A holiday (bonding) tour would be more beneficial when all players.
including loanees, after August are in place.
When the weather hits hard in the UK, then take the players to better climates.
Why waste the 2 month period of good weathe,r we have in this once green and pleasant.
Its not rocket surgery.... |  | | |
| 'Waiting Game' Who's going to sign first? on 19:19 - May 17 with 4026 views | MoonyDale |
| 'Waiting Game' Who's going to sign first? on 18:38 - May 17 by jokerthief |
A holiday (bonding) tour would be more beneficial when all players.
including loanees, after August are in place.
When the weather hits hard in the UK, then take the players to better climates.
Why waste the 2 month period of good weathe,r we have in this once green and pleasant.
Its not rocket surgery.... |
Or even brain science .....  |  |
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| 'Waiting Game' Who's going to sign first? on 22:19 - May 17 with 3881 views | D_Dale |
| 'Waiting Game' Who's going to sign first? on 20:08 - May 16 by 49thseason |
A quick look at the first 10 games of the last 5 seasons offers the following:
18-19 .. 11 points extrapolated = 50 points for the season actual season points = 54
17-18 .. 10 points = 46 points actual = 51
16-17 .. 12 points = 55 points actual = 69
15-16 .. 17 points = 78 points actual = 69
14-15 .. 16 points = 74 points actual = 63
There doesn't seem to be any strong evidence that Tenerife hurts us in the early games although we have overperformed the first 10 games in 3 seasons and underperformed in two. It seems that 14-or 15 points from the first 10 games would be a decent start, 11 or fewer signals trouble ahead and more sees us in the top half. |
Some more figures, showing scorers of 5 or more league goals in the last 6 seasons:
2013-14 L2, 3rd: Hogan 17, Henderson 11, Lund 8, Allen 6, Donnelly 5, Vincenti 5
2014-15 L1, 8th: Henderson 22, Vincenti 13, Done 10, Andrew 5, O'Connell 5
2015-16 L1, 10th: Henderson 13, Bunney 9, Vincenti 8, Mendez-Laing 7, Andrew 6
2016-17 L1, 9th: Henderson 15, Davies 9, Lund 9, Mendez-Laing 8, Camps 8
2017-18 L1, 20th: Henderson 13, Davies 7, Done 6
2018-19 L1, 16th:Henderson 20
Perhaps some bigger players are needed for the winter months, but what appears to be even more obvious is not only the dependency on Hendo's goals but also the need for another forward and two or three midfield players who can bag a few goals. | | | |
| 'Waiting Game' Who's going to sign first? on 12:55 - May 19 with 3384 views | electricblue |
Now going back to the who is going to sign first.
Also going off the BBM topic i predict it will be..
Keobane
Morley.
Wade.
Wilbraham. |  |
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| 'Waiting Game' Who's going to sign first? on 17:44 - May 19 with 3113 views | macro |
You’d have to say that Rathbone is probably the most likely not to sign - going on talent etc
Good to see that BBM wants to run with a smaller squad |  | | |
| 'Waiting Game' Who's going to sign first? on 19:06 - May 19 with 2992 views | isitme |
With four youth team players likely to take up professional contracts and BBM stating that he will be using a smaller squad, if the seven re-sign how much room will there be for other players? | | | |
| 'Waiting Game' Who's going to sign first? on 19:20 - May 19 with 2960 views | fitzochris |
| 'Waiting Game' Who's going to sign first? on 19:06 - May 19 by isitme |
With four youth team players likely to take up professional contracts and BBM stating that he will be using a smaller squad, if the seven re-sign how much room will there be for other players? |
Not much, which is why I believe the external targets are replacements for those who may leave rather than outright additions.
BBM is asked about the loan market and his response sounds like the club may be relying on that more than ever before. |  |
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| 'Waiting Game' Who's going to sign first? on 19:30 - May 19 with 2941 views | isitme |
In reality, if all the players offered contracts sign them where are we short of players - Left back, centre half an at a push a quick forward?
I would also like a physical, experienced central midfielder. We could potentially have a midfield consisting or 2/3 from Camps/Rathbone/Adshead/Morley/ Hoti and Hopper. Not much experience and no real enforcer. Williams could be earmarked for that role, although he lacks pace and mobility for me. He does have a decent range of passing and will put himself about.
I am sure someone who knows a bit more about the players will be able to explain why professional contracts have been offered to both Hoti and Hopper. We seem to have potentially a lot of similar, young central midfielders. From what I saw in the Checkatrade Trophy Hoti looked to be decent player, fairly tall and liked to keep the ball moving. Is Hopper a more defensive player?
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| 'Waiting Game' Who's going to sign first? on 20:58 - May 19 with 2818 views | James1980 |
| 'Waiting Game' Who's going to sign first? on 19:30 - May 19 by isitme |
In reality, if all the players offered contracts sign them where are we short of players - Left back, centre half an at a push a quick forward?
I would also like a physical, experienced central midfielder. We could potentially have a midfield consisting or 2/3 from Camps/Rathbone/Adshead/Morley/ Hoti and Hopper. Not much experience and no real enforcer. Williams could be earmarked for that role, although he lacks pace and mobility for me. He does have a decent range of passing and will put himself about.
I am sure someone who knows a bit more about the players will be able to explain why professional contracts have been offered to both Hoti and Hopper. We seem to have potentially a lot of similar, young central midfielders. From what I saw in the Checkatrade Trophy Hoti looked to be decent player, fairly tall and liked to keep the ball moving. Is Hopper a more defensive player?
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Would Williams playing 'the Makelele role' work? If I recall correctly the original wasn't blessed with pace, but was good at breaking up play, protecting the defense & had a decent pass. | |
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| 'Waiting Game' Who's going to sign first? on 21:06 - May 19 with 2802 views | isitme |
| 'Waiting Game' Who's going to sign first? on 20:58 - May 19 by James1980 |
Would Williams playing 'the Makelele role' work? If I recall correctly the original wasn't blessed with pace, but was good at breaking up play, protecting the defense & had a decent pass. |
That's exactly what I wrote! I'm not sure he has the mobility for that role. | | | |
| 'Waiting Game' Who's going to sign first? on 16:21 - May 21 with 2271 views | aleanddale |
Feels like a dogs age already since that last home game v Southend and its actually less than a month 
10 weeks to go yet until we get our first look at BBM's new look Dale in competitive action! | | | |
| 'Waiting Game' Who's going to sign first? on 16:26 - May 21 with 2247 views | EllDale |
I thought that MJ Williams looked quite competent in that holding midfield role against Southend.
Nice range of passing on a difficult pitch including a decent series of long balls to Wilbraham. | | | |
| Any money on signing Joe Bunney? on 18:22 - May 21 with 2048 views | D_Dale |
| 'Waiting Game' Who's going to sign first? on 16:21 - May 21 by aleanddale |
Feels like a dogs age already since that last home game v Southend and its actually less than a month
10 weeks to go yet until we get our first look at BBM's new look Dale in competitive action! |
Yep, the end of Dale's campagn does seem a good while ago. Looking back at @officiallydale, perhaps the fullest end-of-season message from a player was that of Joe Bunney (below).
Given that BBM quite often played him, and that Keith Curle wants to see the back of him, I'd not be surprised to see his return. But I doubt most fans would be enthused.
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Another season done âš½ï¸âœ… .. Delighted to be a part of retaining league 1 status for this club & with a top bunch of lads â¤ï¸ .. Big thank you to everyone for the warm welcome & support since returning on loan it’s been a pleasure @officiallydale 💙 .. Now to enjoy the summer ☀ï¸ðŸ‘🼠| | | |
| 'Waiting Game' Who's going to sign first? on 07:49 - May 22 with 1732 views | EllDale |
I think that any recruitment of Bunney may be dependent of what formation BBM wants to play.
4-4-2 or 4-3-3 with him operating as a conventional left back is a no-no if you ask me unless he has some decent cover in front of him as Joe Thompson used to provide.
As a left wingback in a 3-5-2 set-up he could be a decent option.
And a cheap one at that? Which may be a consideration. | | | |
| 'Waiting Game' Who's going to sign first? on 09:16 - May 22 with 1630 views | James1980 |
| 'Waiting Game' Who's going to sign first? on 07:49 - May 22 by EllDale |
I think that any recruitment of Bunney may be dependent of what formation BBM wants to play.
4-4-2 or 4-3-3 with him operating as a conventional left back is a no-no if you ask me unless he has some decent cover in front of him as Joe Thompson used to provide.
As a left wingback in a 3-5-2 set-up he could be a decent option.
And a cheap one at that? Which may be a consideration. |
From the academy website.
'In the Professional Development Phase our vision is to play 4-3-3 to mirror the first team, but the formation can change depending on the personnel we have available and can also be 4-5-1 4-4-2, 4-4-2 Diamond and 4-2-3-1.'
Changing to 3 5 2 would mean a change of the above philosophy. [Post edited 22 May 2019 9:25]
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| 'Waiting Game' Who's going to sign first? on 10:20 - May 22 with 1536 views | dingdangblue |
| 'Waiting Game' Who's going to sign first? on 09:16 - May 22 by James1980 |
From the academy website.
'In the Professional Development Phase our vision is to play 4-3-3 to mirror the first team, but the formation can change depending on the personnel we have available and can also be 4-5-1 4-4-2, 4-4-2 Diamond and 4-2-3-1.'
Changing to 3 5 2 would mean a change of the above philosophy. [Post edited 22 May 2019 9:25]
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Didn't we play 3 at the back for most of BBM's games James?
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| 'Waiting Game' Who's going to sign first? on 11:39 - May 22 with 1429 views | James1980 |
| 'Waiting Game' Who's going to sign first? on 10:20 - May 22 by dingdangblue |
Didn't we play 3 at the back for most of BBM's games James?
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True but question is was that a case of needs must or does BBM prefer that formation.
It will be interesting to see if going forward the first team and youth teams adopt 3 CBs on a regular basis | |
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| 'Waiting Game' Who's going to sign first? on 12:39 - May 22 with 1386 views | D_Alien |
| 'Waiting Game' Who's going to sign first? on 11:39 - May 22 by James1980 |
True but question is was that a case of needs must or does BBM prefer that formation.
It will be interesting to see if going forward the first team and youth teams adopt 3 CBs on a regular basis |
I doubt the youth team squad would be accommodating 3 capable CBs, but i think you're in danger of reading too much into the "philosophy" business
What's more important is producing youngsters who're adaptable. Playing in a 2 or 3 CB role isn't a major adjustment, but more important is producing fullbacks who're capable of playing in the wingback role i.e. capable of making an impact higher up the pitch, which CBs aren't required to do (except at set pieces) |  |
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| 'Waiting Game' Who's going to sign first? on 16:49 - May 22 with 1181 views | isitme |
| 'Waiting Game' Who's going to sign first? on 12:39 - May 22 by D_Alien |
I doubt the youth team squad would be accommodating 3 capable CBs, but i think you're in danger of reading too much into the "philosophy" business
What's more important is producing youngsters who're adaptable. Playing in a 2 or 3 CB role isn't a major adjustment, but more important is producing fullbacks who're capable of playing in the wingback role i.e. capable of making an impact higher up the pitch, which CBs aren't required to do (except at set pieces) |
I would argue that there is a significant difference between playing as one of two central defenders or one one three. It also depends how a team players the three. Most will have a right/central and left sided player and divide the pitch into thirds. Some play with two markers and one free one/sweeper. With three centre backs you often find them ending up defending in wider areas of the pitch, which some defenders find uncomfortable.
This is one reason you sometimes see full backs playing as either the right or left centre back in a three, especially if they are up against more mobile forwards. In a three the wider centre backs tend to get involved in general play more and therefore it is beneficial if they are more comfortable on the ball.
I do agree with your comments about wing backs and full backs. Not every full back can be a good wing back and vice versa. | | | |
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