| NFR - Rochdale market 19:22 - Sep 16 with 10300 views | Dalenet |
A sad day - it has been announced that the market will be closed down in October. Despite the money spent on the relocation it is losing money. It is a sad state when a market in a town the size of Rochdale isn't sustainable. I would have hoped the council would persevere until the new shopping centre was open next year and see what footfall was like then. Very shortsighted decision but I guess you can't fight change. |  | | |  |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 19:27 - Sep 16 with 4335 views | joecooke |
Sad day indeed, used to buy many a record from the indoor market, My gran worked on the fruit n veg for years and got my y cardigan and leg warmers off the outdoor market in the early 80s! |  |
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| NFR - Rochdale market on 21:17 - Sep 16 with 4208 views | soulboy |
Yes, Save Records suppliers of the vinyl at Spotland in the late 70s |  | | |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 01:33 - Sep 17 with 4015 views | DiddyDave |
Used to buy all my records from Bradleys,corner of Lord Street and Yorkshire Street. | | | |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 06:54 - Sep 17 with 3931 views | Ancoats_Blue |
A market town with no market. Shame. How long until the wheatsheaf gets mothballed as well? |  | | |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 09:25 - Sep 17 with 3783 views | DaleFan7 |
The townsfolk obviously aren't bothered about a market, if people used it more traders would show up and it wouldn't be losing money.
Too cheap to shop online these days. I probably haven't visited the market for 15 years (though I don't currently live in Rochdale) | | | |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 09:27 - Sep 17 with 3774 views | nordenblue |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 06:54 - Sep 17 by Ancoats_Blue |
A market town with no market. Shame. How long until the wheatsheaf gets mothballed as well? |
It's never been a roaring success at any point has it? | | | |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 09:30 - Sep 17 with 3766 views | Ancoats_Blue |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 09:25 - Sep 17 by DaleFan7 |
The townsfolk obviously aren't bothered about a market, if people used it more traders would show up and it wouldn't be losing money.
Too cheap to shop online these days. I probably haven't visited the market for 15 years (though I don't currently live in Rochdale) |
I don't live in Rochdale anymore either but it is sad to see. Markets do have a place in a modern town if run properly. Locally Bury, Altrincham, Stockport, Macclesfield all seen a recent resurgence in their markets. Rochdale? Nah, the council evict the traders from their indoor hall - put them in tents on the pavement and watch it die. | | | |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 09:39 - Sep 17 with 3751 views | Ancoats_Blue |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 09:27 - Sep 17 by nordenblue |
It's never been a roaring success at any point has it? |
Not particularly. But the last time I went in (2/3 years ago) there seemed to be a charity shop, south-east-Asian nail bar and Argos and that was it. I can't see how a town Rochdale's size needs 3 shopping centres; Exchange, Wheatsheaf and new-brown-monstrosity. It's almost as if the council get backhanders from the firms that win the contracts to build these White elephants... | | | |
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| NFR - Rochdale market on 09:58 - Sep 17 with 3717 views | dingdangblue |
We just cant compete with the World famous bury market. Very busy these days around 3pm on a Saturday. |  |
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| NFR - Rochdale market on 10:21 - Sep 17 with 3677 views | SuddenLad |
768 years of history gone.
Shameful that a Council should allow and enable this to happen - in fact their disgraceful treatment of market traders over the past few years is a stain they will carry forever. Sack the lot of them. |  |
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| NFR - Rochdale market on 10:56 - Sep 17 with 3619 views | funkkk |
Where are Rochdale folk going to buy their batteries and J Cloths from now? If only the town had an array of shops selling tat for a nominal fee, say £1, then we'd be ok. |  | | |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 11:02 - Sep 17 with 3604 views | D_Alien |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 09:30 - Sep 17 by Ancoats_Blue |
I don't live in Rochdale anymore either but it is sad to see. Markets do have a place in a modern town if run properly. Locally Bury, Altrincham, Stockport, Macclesfield all seen a recent resurgence in their markets. Rochdale? Nah, the council evict the traders from their indoor hall - put them in tents on the pavement and watch it die. |
So on the one hand you're complaining that we no longer have a traditional market, i.e. stalls in the open air, and also complaining that putting stalls in the open air has killed it
You also claimed there's about three shops in the town centre. There's dozens, actually, and most are doing just fine
The new shopping centre isn't brown, it's hideous orange - a hideous orange white elephant, so i agree with you about that |  |
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| NFR - Rochdale market on 11:08 - Sep 17 with 3593 views | 49thseason |
Rochdale council finds out the hard way what people have been telling them for years.... there is no future in retail shops. No one wants to wander around shops full of cheap rubbish , staffed by gormless drones in the pouring rain. The list of shops that have been to Rochdale, tried and failed is extensive. There is no money in the town, wages are , on average, £8000 below the national average. Whatever money this herd of white elephants has cost Rochdale Council, should have been spent developing a strategy to attract high value , high wage businesses, but it seems the collective imagination goes no further than shops and warehousing.
I note that Rochdale is in line to receive new government funding to improve the high street or some such nonsense. Without a root and branch rethink about what the town is about and where its future lies, this money like all that has gone before will inevitably be washed down the river. |  | | |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 11:12 - Sep 17 with 3587 views | downunder |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 11:08 - Sep 17 by 49thseason |
Rochdale council finds out the hard way what people have been telling them for years.... there is no future in retail shops. No one wants to wander around shops full of cheap rubbish , staffed by gormless drones in the pouring rain. The list of shops that have been to Rochdale, tried and failed is extensive. There is no money in the town, wages are , on average, £8000 below the national average. Whatever money this herd of white elephants has cost Rochdale Council, should have been spent developing a strategy to attract high value , high wage businesses, but it seems the collective imagination goes no further than shops and warehousing.
I note that Rochdale is in line to receive new government funding to improve the high street or some such nonsense. Without a root and branch rethink about what the town is about and where its future lies, this money like all that has gone before will inevitably be washed down the river. |
I heard it WAS inline for High St. funding. They did not get it from posts I saw in Media. |  | | |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 11:20 - Sep 17 with 3573 views | Ancoats_Blue |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 11:08 - Sep 17 by 49thseason |
Rochdale council finds out the hard way what people have been telling them for years.... there is no future in retail shops. No one wants to wander around shops full of cheap rubbish , staffed by gormless drones in the pouring rain. The list of shops that have been to Rochdale, tried and failed is extensive. There is no money in the town, wages are , on average, £8000 below the national average. Whatever money this herd of white elephants has cost Rochdale Council, should have been spent developing a strategy to attract high value , high wage businesses, but it seems the collective imagination goes no further than shops and warehousing.
I note that Rochdale is in line to receive new government funding to improve the high street or some such nonsense. Without a root and branch rethink about what the town is about and where its future lies, this money like all that has gone before will inevitably be washed down the river. |
From what I gather successive councils of all stripes over the last 35-40 years have done nothing to address the issues you point out.
Rochdale ranks as the 15th most deprived region in the UK, which probably ain't much of a surprise.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/great-manch | | | |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 11:23 - Sep 17 with 3567 views | Ancoats_Blue |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 11:02 - Sep 17 by D_Alien |
So on the one hand you're complaining that we no longer have a traditional market, i.e. stalls in the open air, and also complaining that putting stalls in the open air has killed it
You also claimed there's about three shops in the town centre. There's dozens, actually, and most are doing just fine
The new shopping centre isn't brown, it's hideous orange - a hideous orange white elephant, so i agree with you about that |
Try again.
My view is that moving the market out of the market hall (indoors, not outdoors) has effectively killed it off.
I also made a point about there being around 3 shops in the Wheatsheaf shopping centre the last time I went in ( this was several years ago, maybe it's got better since then - please do let me know) not the entire town centre. The town centre clearly has more than 3 shops. Maybe less than 300. It has many duplicates that serve the same purpose (how many pawn shops, charity shops, vape shops and mobile phone repair outlets does one town need?)
For a pedant you're not very good at attention to detail. [Post edited 17 Sep 2019 11:29]
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| NFR - Rochdale market on 11:25 - Sep 17 with 3563 views | rochdaleriddler |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 11:08 - Sep 17 by 49thseason |
Rochdale council finds out the hard way what people have been telling them for years.... there is no future in retail shops. No one wants to wander around shops full of cheap rubbish , staffed by gormless drones in the pouring rain. The list of shops that have been to Rochdale, tried and failed is extensive. There is no money in the town, wages are , on average, £8000 below the national average. Whatever money this herd of white elephants has cost Rochdale Council, should have been spent developing a strategy to attract high value , high wage businesses, but it seems the collective imagination goes no further than shops and warehousing.
I note that Rochdale is in line to receive new government funding to improve the high street or some such nonsense. Without a root and branch rethink about what the town is about and where its future lies, this money like all that has gone before will inevitably be washed down the river. |
The council did have a strategy to attract high wage high tec jobs to the Kingsway business park. It didn’t work, and Rochdale didn’t have the skilled workforce to staff it anyway. It has now become a warehousing centre, something we were told wouldn’t happen. Let’s not be too misty eyed about the market, in its last few years before it moved, it got gradually poorer.
Rochdale pubs are getting better, some parts of the town are looking great. unless the town centre finds a gap in the market, it will never regenerate as a shopping destination.
It’s easy to attack the council, but it is a lazy argument, many factors have led to where we are, the bottom line is people spend their dollar elsewhere, if they didn’t the town centre shops would be buzzing |  |
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| NFR - Rochdale market on 11:30 - Sep 17 with 3538 views | rochdaleriddler |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 11:02 - Sep 17 by D_Alien |
So on the one hand you're complaining that we no longer have a traditional market, i.e. stalls in the open air, and also complaining that putting stalls in the open air has killed it
You also claimed there's about three shops in the town centre. There's dozens, actually, and most are doing just fine
The new shopping centre isn't brown, it's hideous orange - a hideous orange white elephant, so i agree with you about that |
He said about three shops in the wheatsheaf! | |
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| NFR - Rochdale market on 11:34 - Sep 17 with 3511 views | D_Alien |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 11:23 - Sep 17 by Ancoats_Blue |
Try again.
My view is that moving the market out of the market hall (indoors, not outdoors) has effectively killed it off.
I also made a point about there being around 3 shops in the Wheatsheaf shopping centre the last time I went in ( this was several years ago, maybe it's got better since then - please do let me know) not the entire town centre. The town centre clearly has more than 3 shops. Maybe less than 300. It has many duplicates that serve the same purpose (how many pawn shops, charity shops, vape shops and mobile phone repair outlets does one town need?)
For a pedant you're not very good at attention to detail. [Post edited 17 Sep 2019 11:29]
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The indoor market was pretty dire and not worth visiting. It would seem many others agree with me about lack of public support - others who actually live here
The council has been unhelpful and wasteful in the extreme, but that's a different argument
Please don't try again | |
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| NFR - Rochdale market on 11:38 - Sep 17 with 3493 views | D_Alien |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 11:30 - Sep 17 by rochdaleriddler |
He said about three shops in the wheatsheaf! |
I stand corrected on that point
btw, there's a planning application for a new micropub on Baillie St, from the owners of Vino Vicolo | |
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| NFR - Rochdale market on 11:49 - Sep 17 with 3470 views | rochdaleriddler |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 11:38 - Sep 17 by D_Alien |
I stand corrected on that point
btw, there's a planning application for a new micropub on Baillie St, from the owners of Vino Vicolo |
The more the merrier | |
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| NFR - Rochdale market on 11:55 - Sep 17 with 3440 views | D_Alien |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 11:49 - Sep 17 by rochdaleriddler |
The more the merrier |
Couldn't agree more. It's the sign of a thriving town centre. No difference between townsfolk spending their money in one type of establishment over another
And for what it's worth, many of the traders who occupied stalls on the outdoor space were from out of town. So, any money spent by Rochdale folk there wasn't going to benefit our community, but to be fair, we weren't daft enough to do that | |
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| NFR - Rochdale market on 12:19 - Sep 17 with 3379 views | 49thseason |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 11:25 - Sep 17 by rochdaleriddler |
The council did have a strategy to attract high wage high tec jobs to the Kingsway business park. It didn’t work, and Rochdale didn’t have the skilled workforce to staff it anyway. It has now become a warehousing centre, something we were told wouldn’t happen. Let’s not be too misty eyed about the market, in its last few years before it moved, it got gradually poorer.
Rochdale pubs are getting better, some parts of the town are looking great. unless the town centre finds a gap in the market, it will never regenerate as a shopping destination.
It’s easy to attack the council, but it is a lazy argument, many factors have led to where we are, the bottom line is people spend their dollar elsewhere, if they didn’t the town centre shops would be buzzing |
Why is it a "lazy argument"? Who is responsible? Who is in charge of planning policy?
Who is in charge of industrial policy? Who determined we needed another shopping centre? When did anyone honestly take public opinion into account? When did you hear any councillors or officers talking about the basIc frailty of the local economy?
The town is 15 miles away from the biggest university complex in Europe much of it focused on science and technology, how many new business start-ups have been attracted to the town from that huge potential ?
Why is there no University College in Rochdale,?
Could the money wasted on retail unicorns have been spent on upskilling? Or perhaps on providing incubator units and artisan workshops?
Can you recall any serious attempt to keep well known , now departed, businesses in the town?
Oh well never mind, we have trams, a bus station and another new council offices building and we can see the river and the rubbish. The track record is not one to be particularly proud of is it?
Without better jobs, wages will continue to be low., better jobs require skills not shops. The council has put the result of work ( spending money) ahead of the ability of people to earn enough to warrant going shopping. "Build it and they will come" is not a strategy for success its the equivalent of believing that wearing your lucky underpants is the reason Rochdale will win tonight. | | | |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 12:32 - Sep 17 with 3338 views | James1980 |
The nearest town to me Lewes has a pedestrianised area that has market stalls at the weekend. That seems to do quite well. http://lewesfoodmarket.co.uk/ | |
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| NFR - Rochdale market on 12:40 - Sep 17 with 3314 views | richfoad32 |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 12:32 - Sep 17 by James1980 |
The nearest town to me Lewes has a pedestrianised area that has market stalls at the weekend. That seems to do quite well. http://lewesfoodmarket.co.uk/ |
Lewes has a completely different demographic and a population with far more disposable income than Rochdale. | | | |
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