| Coronavirus 10:39 - Mar 4 with 74957 views | electricblue |
With the spread of this illness what are the chances of games getting called postponed and the season not being completed.....
What would the financial knock on effect be to lower league clubs..... |  |
| My all time favourite Dale player Mr Lyndon Symmonds |
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| Coronavirus on 10:19 - Apr 3 with 1972 views | Dorislove |
| Coronavirus on 09:40 - Apr 3 by smaclad1 |
While the focus of attention has been on the NHS, the care sector has been largely overlooked. While there have been delays and problems in getting PPE into hospitals, care homes are at the far end of the queue for the provision of such equipment despite caring for some of the most vulnerable to the coronavirus. Add into this that, compared to the NHS, the sector is reliant on low/minimum paid staff, often on an agency basis, and operates from facilities that are intended to be sociable rather than providing space to provide for social distancing, never mind quarantining.
Despite clear evidence that the sector is much less prepared and able to respond to the current circumstances, the government now appears ready to pass laws requiring care homes to accept new or returning residents without any test to confirm whether such residents have Covid-19. The implication of this is that the lives of all residents in a care home that receives new/returning residents are at significant risk, and the unprepared staff with no/limited PPE and no training in its effective use will pick up Covid from residents and pass it out into their communities.
We have already seen reports where the army in Spain has entered care homes to find residents dead in their beds. Couldn’t happen here? If the care sector is not properly supported and is forced to take on roles that they are clearly not designed and resourced to provide, as someone whose family is involved in looking after the affairs of a care home resident, I wouldn’t bet against it.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/mar/31/uk-care-home-staff-at-breaking-p
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/apr/02/uk-care-home-bosses-threaten-qui |
Its a bad lottery ,my dad nearly died 12 months ago in a care home that has now shut ,he went to a 5 star place having been in hospital 6 weeks.This home was fantastic he was in but sadly died on monday having already been on shut down for over 3 weeks.He died of pneumonia and a secondary covid 19 infection but because he died in hospital he is now a statistic.If he died in the home he would not have been counted ( how many are not being reported).At the moment i can attend his funeral but rules are changing by the day , i will only know for sure the day before. |  | | |
| Coronavirus on 14:09 - Apr 3 with 1832 views | jonesy |
| Coronavirus on 10:12 - Apr 3 by kiwidale |
In this excellent article Peter Hitchins has this to say "So do not be surprised by anything. After last week, can we rule anything out? This new Stasi society has a horrifying level of support."
Having read 20 odd pages on this thread I agree with him. By the way he also had this to say just in case you miss it.
"Just you wait till you get the bill, in increased taxes, inflation and devastated savings."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8163587/PETER-HITCHENS-Great-Panic-fo
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Thanks for the link. I always like listening to him and the other Hitchens who unfortunately is not around any more.
Interestingly why has someone marked down the Quigley post? Presumably they think it was a good idea? |  | | |
| Coronavirus on 16:14 - Apr 3 with 1732 views | JumeirahDale |
| Coronavirus on 10:19 - Apr 3 by Dorislove |
Its a bad lottery ,my dad nearly died 12 months ago in a care home that has now shut ,he went to a 5 star place having been in hospital 6 weeks.This home was fantastic he was in but sadly died on monday having already been on shut down for over 3 weeks.He died of pneumonia and a secondary covid 19 infection but because he died in hospital he is now a statistic.If he died in the home he would not have been counted ( how many are not being reported).At the moment i can attend his funeral but rules are changing by the day , i will only know for sure the day before. |
Heartfelt condolences for your loss DL. |  | | |
| Coronavirus on 16:21 - Apr 3 with 1725 views | dalenumber2 |
| Coronavirus on 10:19 - Apr 3 by Dorislove |
Its a bad lottery ,my dad nearly died 12 months ago in a care home that has now shut ,he went to a 5 star place having been in hospital 6 weeks.This home was fantastic he was in but sadly died on monday having already been on shut down for over 3 weeks.He died of pneumonia and a secondary covid 19 infection but because he died in hospital he is now a statistic.If he died in the home he would not have been counted ( how many are not being reported).At the moment i can attend his funeral but rules are changing by the day , i will only know for sure the day before. |
So sorry for your loss |  | | |
| Coronavirus on 16:22 - Apr 3 with 1724 views | dalenumber2 |
Moony dale how are you feeling today? | | | |
| Coronavirus on 16:23 - Apr 3 with 1722 views | JumeirahDale |
| Coronavirus on 10:12 - Apr 3 by kiwidale |
In this excellent article Peter Hitchins has this to say "So do not be surprised by anything. After last week, can we rule anything out? This new Stasi society has a horrifying level of support."
Having read 20 odd pages on this thread I agree with him. By the way he also had this to say just in case you miss it.
"Just you wait till you get the bill, in increased taxes, inflation and devastated savings."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8163587/PETER-HITCHENS-Great-Panic-fo
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Some points in here (including drones chasing solitary hikers on the moors) I don't disagree with, however the "expert" that he's chosen to cite believed on 28th March that there would be 5,700 deaths in the UK from coronavirus. We are now at 3,700, with 700 new deaths yesterday. All I can do with this article is bookmark it and revisit periodically over the next month or two. Hitchins knows as much as the rest of us. | | | |
| Coronavirus on 16:31 - Apr 3 with 1713 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Coronavirus on 10:19 - Apr 3 by Dorislove |
Its a bad lottery ,my dad nearly died 12 months ago in a care home that has now shut ,he went to a 5 star place having been in hospital 6 weeks.This home was fantastic he was in but sadly died on monday having already been on shut down for over 3 weeks.He died of pneumonia and a secondary covid 19 infection but because he died in hospital he is now a statistic.If he died in the home he would not have been counted ( how many are not being reported).At the moment i can attend his funeral but rules are changing by the day , i will only know for sure the day before. |
Condolences to you and yours |  |
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| Coronavirus on 17:06 - Apr 3 with 1679 views | 1949er |
| Coronavirus on 10:19 - Apr 3 by Dorislove |
Its a bad lottery ,my dad nearly died 12 months ago in a care home that has now shut ,he went to a 5 star place having been in hospital 6 weeks.This home was fantastic he was in but sadly died on monday having already been on shut down for over 3 weeks.He died of pneumonia and a secondary covid 19 infection but because he died in hospital he is now a statistic.If he died in the home he would not have been counted ( how many are not being reported).At the moment i can attend his funeral but rules are changing by the day , i will only know for sure the day before. |
Many condolences DL | |
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| Coronavirus on 18:08 - Apr 3 with 1652 views | MoonyDale |
| Coronavirus on 16:22 - Apr 3 by dalenumber2 |
Moony dale how are you feeling today? |
Hi D2 absolutely exhausted with no energy, Iv'e had Flu before which had me flat on my back for over a week and pluracy on a few occasions but nothing at all compares to this...It's really difficult to do anything, the worst thing was the sore throat as it felt like barbed wire when swallowing, that has improved massively so I can now drink copious amounts or orange juice and unsweetened black coffee whish weirdly eased the pain quite a bit...lungs are still rasping and still coughing which cause pain in the upper back.....Got a few days left of a 10 day course of antibiotics and steroids. I can get out of bed but cannot walk upright, toileting would be funny if it wasn't so annoyingly difficult....When (if) the season starts up again it will be easier getting through turnstiles with the weight I have lost...My doctor phones me daily which is well above and beyond his duty of care...He has given me his mobile number and that of his secretary in case I need him...Never known a doc like him .....Not getting a great deal of sleep but Netflix has been on overtime whilst sitting propped up in bed..I'm setting myself a taget of Monday to be out of bed and functioning enough to get my dog back home...I hope your GP gave you some good news and you feel better soon, you can always PM me if you need to get anything off your chest....Thanks to all the peeps on here for the good wishes and messages, stay safe and well everyone....Moony |  |
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| Coronavirus on 18:12 - Apr 3 with 1647 views | MoonyDale |
| Coronavirus on 10:19 - Apr 3 by Dorislove |
Its a bad lottery ,my dad nearly died 12 months ago in a care home that has now shut ,he went to a 5 star place having been in hospital 6 weeks.This home was fantastic he was in but sadly died on monday having already been on shut down for over 3 weeks.He died of pneumonia and a secondary covid 19 infection but because he died in hospital he is now a statistic.If he died in the home he would not have been counted ( how many are not being reported).At the moment i can attend his funeral but rules are changing by the day , i will only know for sure the day before. |
Deepest condolences on the loss of your Dad, devestating times indeed... | |
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| Coronavirus on 18:46 - Apr 3 with 1595 views | dalenumber2 |
| Coronavirus on 18:08 - Apr 3 by MoonyDale |
Hi D2 absolutely exhausted with no energy, Iv'e had Flu before which had me flat on my back for over a week and pluracy on a few occasions but nothing at all compares to this...It's really difficult to do anything, the worst thing was the sore throat as it felt like barbed wire when swallowing, that has improved massively so I can now drink copious amounts or orange juice and unsweetened black coffee whish weirdly eased the pain quite a bit...lungs are still rasping and still coughing which cause pain in the upper back.....Got a few days left of a 10 day course of antibiotics and steroids. I can get out of bed but cannot walk upright, toileting would be funny if it wasn't so annoyingly difficult....When (if) the season starts up again it will be easier getting through turnstiles with the weight I have lost...My doctor phones me daily which is well above and beyond his duty of care...He has given me his mobile number and that of his secretary in case I need him...Never known a doc like him .....Not getting a great deal of sleep but Netflix has been on overtime whilst sitting propped up in bed..I'm setting myself a taget of Monday to be out of bed and functioning enough to get my dog back home...I hope your GP gave you some good news and you feel better soon, you can always PM me if you need to get anything off your chest....Thanks to all the peeps on here for the good wishes and messages, stay safe and well everyone....Moony |
Glad there are some signs of improvement, keep us updated please. Great that your GP has been so attentive, what a fantastic advert for the NHS. Take care. | | | |
| Coronavirus on 18:48 - Apr 3 with 1593 views | Dorislove |
| Coronavirus on 18:12 - Apr 3 by MoonyDale |
Deepest condolences on the loss of your Dad, devestating times indeed... |
Firstly thanks Mooney and all the best wishes to everybody on here ,its much appreciated,all the best with your and im sure many others recoveries .The overwhelming thing i see on many websites is the good people are doing to help each other its quite fantastic.
I just hope after all this mess has passed people will appreciate and help all those who helped us ,i will be doing without a shaddow of a doubt .
Our emergency services and especially OUR NHS ,wow how do these guys and galls do what they do is beyond me ,i for one couldnt do it .I salute you all and thank you. | | | |
| Coronavirus on 18:51 - Apr 3 with 1578 views | 1mark1 |
Deepest condolences, DL.
Get well soon Mooney and Dale number2, also to anyone else not well. [Post edited 3 Apr 2020 18:52]
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| Coronavirus on 18:56 - Apr 3 with 1566 views | foreverhopefulDale |
| Coronavirus on 10:19 - Apr 3 by Dorislove |
Its a bad lottery ,my dad nearly died 12 months ago in a care home that has now shut ,he went to a 5 star place having been in hospital 6 weeks.This home was fantastic he was in but sadly died on monday having already been on shut down for over 3 weeks.He died of pneumonia and a secondary covid 19 infection but because he died in hospital he is now a statistic.If he died in the home he would not have been counted ( how many are not being reported).At the moment i can attend his funeral but rules are changing by the day , i will only know for sure the day before. |
So sorry for your loss, Dorislove. |  |
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| Coronavirus on 18:59 - Apr 3 with 1557 views | foreverhopefulDale |
| Coronavirus on 18:08 - Apr 3 by MoonyDale |
Hi D2 absolutely exhausted with no energy, Iv'e had Flu before which had me flat on my back for over a week and pluracy on a few occasions but nothing at all compares to this...It's really difficult to do anything, the worst thing was the sore throat as it felt like barbed wire when swallowing, that has improved massively so I can now drink copious amounts or orange juice and unsweetened black coffee whish weirdly eased the pain quite a bit...lungs are still rasping and still coughing which cause pain in the upper back.....Got a few days left of a 10 day course of antibiotics and steroids. I can get out of bed but cannot walk upright, toileting would be funny if it wasn't so annoyingly difficult....When (if) the season starts up again it will be easier getting through turnstiles with the weight I have lost...My doctor phones me daily which is well above and beyond his duty of care...He has given me his mobile number and that of his secretary in case I need him...Never known a doc like him .....Not getting a great deal of sleep but Netflix has been on overtime whilst sitting propped up in bed..I'm setting myself a taget of Monday to be out of bed and functioning enough to get my dog back home...I hope your GP gave you some good news and you feel better soon, you can always PM me if you need to get anything off your chest....Thanks to all the peeps on here for the good wishes and messages, stay safe and well everyone....Moony |
Get well soon MooneyDale. Fantastic care from your GP. Hope your dog is ok. | |
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| Coronavirus on 19:00 - Apr 3 with 1553 views | foreverhopefulDale |
| Coronavirus on 13:32 - Apr 2 by dalenumber2 |
Thanks and my GP is phoning me this afternoon. Thankfully my breathing is ok so far. |
Get well soon dalenumber2 | |
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| Coronavirus on 19:45 - Apr 3 with 1511 views | MoonyDale |
| Coronavirus on 18:48 - Apr 3 by Dorislove |
Firstly thanks Mooney and all the best wishes to everybody on here ,its much appreciated,all the best with your and im sure many others recoveries .The overwhelming thing i see on many websites is the good people are doing to help each other its quite fantastic.
I just hope after all this mess has passed people will appreciate and help all those who helped us ,i will be doing without a shaddow of a doubt .
Our emergency services and especially OUR NHS ,wow how do these guys and galls do what they do is beyond me ,i for one couldnt do it .I salute you all and thank you. |
Thank you for your kind words and you are right about everyone involved in any way with the NHS, the care they are giving and the dangers they are facing is unbelievable....As I type this I have just listened to an NHS doctor still in his scrubs on C4 news and the terrifying descriptions of his daily efforts in an intensive care unit....It was harrowing viewing, not ashamed to say it had me in tears....If anyone hasn't watched it please watch it on 4+1 ... The psychological fallout of all this is yet to happen to these workers...Heartbreaking. | |
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| Coronavirus on 19:52 - Apr 3 with 1504 views | Dorislove |
| Coronavirus on 19:45 - Apr 3 by MoonyDale |
Thank you for your kind words and you are right about everyone involved in any way with the NHS, the care they are giving and the dangers they are facing is unbelievable....As I type this I have just listened to an NHS doctor still in his scrubs on C4 news and the terrifying descriptions of his daily efforts in an intensive care unit....It was harrowing viewing, not ashamed to say it had me in tears....If anyone hasn't watched it please watch it on 4+1 ... The psychological fallout of all this is yet to happen to these workers...Heartbreaking. |
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4367219216637715&set=a.180972461929099&t
This is so true for us ,my 83 year old mum hasnt seen my dad for 3 weeks until today in his coffin.Please stay in and stay safe. | | | |
| Coronavirus on 21:15 - Apr 3 with 1457 views | DaleiLama |
| Coronavirus on 10:19 - Apr 3 by Dorislove |
Its a bad lottery ,my dad nearly died 12 months ago in a care home that has now shut ,he went to a 5 star place having been in hospital 6 weeks.This home was fantastic he was in but sadly died on monday having already been on shut down for over 3 weeks.He died of pneumonia and a secondary covid 19 infection but because he died in hospital he is now a statistic.If he died in the home he would not have been counted ( how many are not being reported).At the moment i can attend his funeral but rules are changing by the day , i will only know for sure the day before. |
Deepest condolences DL. Having lost both my folks in less than 2 years of each other recently, I know what you are going through, but being denied the chance to pay your respects is beyond the pale. I sincerely hope you can be there to see him off. |  |
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| Coronavirus on 21:31 - Apr 3 with 1442 views | rochdaleriddler |
Govt: We're talking to supermarkets
Supermarkets: You're not.
Govt: There's a shortage of chemicals
Chemicals companies: There isn't
Govt: The science has changed
Scientists: No it hasn't
Govt: We never got the email
EU: Yes you did
Govt: 25,000 tests per day
PHE: 7,000 tests per day
Govt: Ventilator companies are making ventilators for us
Ventilator Companies: you never got back to us. Dyson are though.
Govt: We've got 30,000 ventilators coming
Dyson: actually, it's 30 for now
Govt: PPE has been delivered
NHS: No it hasn't
Govt: We've built the Nightingale
Nurses: but no one can staff it though
Govt: Unprecedented economic package!
Self-employed: Not until June!
Govt: Banks will give you short term loans
Banks: 40% overdraft rates and we want your home as collateral
Govt: Save the NHS
Me: You bastards have been killing it for the last decade
Govt: We are not pursuing Herd immunity
WHO: Yes you are
Govt: We are not lying
Media: oh ok, good job old boy | |
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| Coronavirus on 23:14 - Apr 3 with 1401 views | James1980 |
On the subject of bankers it is well documented what they did with the money that was supposed to stimulate the economy after the financial crash. | |
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| Coronavirus on 23:35 - Apr 3 with 1382 views | James1980 |
| Coronavirus on 10:19 - Apr 3 by Dorislove |
Its a bad lottery ,my dad nearly died 12 months ago in a care home that has now shut ,he went to a 5 star place having been in hospital 6 weeks.This home was fantastic he was in but sadly died on monday having already been on shut down for over 3 weeks.He died of pneumonia and a secondary covid 19 infection but because he died in hospital he is now a statistic.If he died in the home he would not have been counted ( how many are not being reported).At the moment i can attend his funeral but rules are changing by the day , i will only know for sure the day before. |
Sorry for your loss remember the good times | |
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| Coronavirus on 10:47 - Apr 4 with 1286 views | BigDaveMyCock |
| Coronavirus on 10:12 - Apr 3 by kiwidale |
In this excellent article Peter Hitchins has this to say "So do not be surprised by anything. After last week, can we rule anything out? This new Stasi society has a horrifying level of support."
Having read 20 odd pages on this thread I agree with him. By the way he also had this to say just in case you miss it.
"Just you wait till you get the bill, in increased taxes, inflation and devastated savings."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8163587/PETER-HITCHENS-Great-Panic-fo
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There are two themes running through both this article and Nigel Farage’s piece. These are: a deluge of criticism but no forwarding of any policy alternatives; and (ii) victimhood - Farage invoked him being under ‘house arrest’ and Hitchins invokes him being in a ‘Stasi’ state. With regards to the latter, only a rudimentary understanding of the DDR secret police would lead to the conclusion that we certainly do not live in such an oppressive regime. It’s like a reverse Godwin’s Law. What next Kiwi? An article in the Daily Telegraph titled “This is just like The Great Terror” by Anthony Singen Smyth III, who tells us his nannies are begging him to work without a mask.
The police aren’t secret and killing people, the virus is.
Anyway, Donald Trump, who has been broadly in line with the lassez-faire approach shared by Farage and Hitchins, has, you may have noticed, done a huge u-turn this week and gone pro-shutdown. One can only presume that the truly frightening figures he was receiving prompted this and data showing that if the pandemic isn’t ’managed’ then the overall economic outcome will be far worse.
Like I said, this crisis is going to sort out the wheat from the chaff.
However, I must confess to being surprised at how bad the right (those beyond the centre right) have handled this. I suspect because the core issues are health, public service, science and people’s welfare. Not particularly the right’s strong point.
Farage and Hitchins are behaving like spoilt little boys not being able to play out and calling their dad (probably nannies actually) fascists for not doing so. It does confirm one thing though, those who constantly go on about ‘snowflakes’ and the like are often the biggest snowflakes of the lot.
So, from a leftie to two right-wingers...stop fooking whining, get a backbone and do your bit for this national cause. Ooohhhh now there’s irony for you. [Post edited 4 Apr 2020 13:32]
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| Coronavirus on 10:56 - Apr 4 with 1277 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Coronavirus on 10:47 - Apr 4 by BigDaveMyCock |
There are two themes running through both this article and Nigel Farage’s piece. These are: a deluge of criticism but no forwarding of any policy alternatives; and (ii) victimhood - Farage invoked him being under ‘house arrest’ and Hitchins invokes him being in a ‘Stasi’ state. With regards to the latter, only a rudimentary understanding of the DDR secret police would lead to the conclusion that we certainly do not live in such an oppressive regime. It’s like a reverse Godwin’s Law. What next Kiwi? An article in the Daily Telegraph titled “This is just like The Great Terror” by Anthony Singen Smyth III, who tells us his nannies are begging him to work without a mask.
The police aren’t secret and killing people, the virus is.
Anyway, Donald Trump, who has been broadly in line with the lassez-faire approach shared by Farage and Hitchins, has, you may have noticed, done a huge u-turn this week and gone pro-shutdown. One can only presume that the truly frightening figures he was receiving prompted this and data showing that if the pandemic isn’t ’managed’ then the overall economic outcome will be far worse.
Like I said, this crisis is going to sort out the wheat from the chaff.
However, I must confess to being surprised at how bad the right (those beyond the centre right) have handled this. I suspect because the core issues are health, public service, science and people’s welfare. Not particularly the right’s strong point.
Farage and Hitchins are behaving like spoilt little boys not being able to play out and calling their dad (probably nannies actually) fascists for not doing so. It does confirm one thing though, those who constantly go on about ‘snowflakes’ and the like are often the biggest snowflakes of the lot.
So, from a leftie to two right-wingers...stop fooking whining, get a backbone and do your bit for this national cause. Ooohhhh now there’s irony for you. [Post edited 4 Apr 2020 13:32]
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| Coronavirus on 14:07 - Apr 4 with 1161 views | jonesy |
| Coronavirus on 23:11 - Mar 31 by JumeirahDale |
Nicely put DL. I spent some time in the alumina industry in Germany and you can whack a golf ball in any direction and hit an office or plant of a global chemical company, BASF, AGFA, Bayer etc. - they are a global chemicals powerhouse. Not at all surprising that they would have better access to reagents. If a pandemic comes along that requires access to a bookie, iPhone repair shop or vape emporium, it will be our turn to lead! |
Just looked at BASF Ludwigshafen on google earth. Blimey If you were building a factory from scratch you couldn’t do any better. Rhine delivering raw materials and shipping stuff out. Loads of rail connections and motorways. Makes UK look pathetic. | | | |
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