| Trust questions to Dunphy (n/t) on 19:55 - Apr 5 with 3014 views | mightydale |
| Trust questions to Dunphy (n/t) on 19:16 - Apr 5 by tony_roch975 |
doesn't seem to stop you criticising BBM [Post edited 5 Apr 2021 19:17]
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Think any right minded people would criticise BBM, like any right minded person would criticise Bottomley |  |
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| Trust questions to Dunphy (n/t) on 20:22 - Apr 5 with 2923 views | TVOS1907 |
| Trust questions to Dunphy (n/t) on 19:16 - Apr 5 by tony_roch975 |
doesn't seem to stop you criticising BBM [Post edited 5 Apr 2021 19:17]
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But your post to which 442 replied was about CD & DB. |  |
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| Trust questions to Dunphy (n/t) on 20:33 - Apr 5 with 2880 views | tony_roch975 |
| Trust questions to Dunphy (n/t) on 20:22 - Apr 5 by TVOS1907 |
But your post to which 442 replied was about CD & DB. |
ok, I give in - you are all right and woe betide anyone who has an alternative view |  |
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| Trust questions to Dunphy (n/t) on 20:43 - Apr 5 with 2843 views | TVOS1907 |
| Trust questions to Dunphy (n/t) on 20:33 - Apr 5 by tony_roch975 |
ok, I give in - you are all right and woe betide anyone who has an alternative view |
Nobody has said anything of the sort. | |
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| Trust questions to Dunphy on 16:25 - Apr 7 with 2247 views | CockneyDale |
| Trust questions to Dunphy on 18:36 - Apr 5 by dawlishdale |
Chris Dunphy left because of the constant arguing within the Boardroom...mainly between a former Director and a current one. It very much looked like there was a power struggle going on and the other Directors were too weak/preoccupied to do much about it.
He also wasn't around as much in his last year , due to business reasons and also a family bereavement which upset him deeply.
The only thing he would say to me when I asked him why he stepped down so quickly was
"I can't work with idiots" He didn't name names.
It must be obvious who he is speaking of...seeing as the other Director who was and still is there deals with the licencing of the ground and the pub, and the third one who stood down just before CD's exit is a part of his proposed "rescue team". That only leaves one person... the same one that a few people have known about all along...certainly since the Exiles fiasco.
Fortunately, a significant number of people have realised what has been happening, and are now doing something about it. To do nothing, or to constantly ask silly questions (sorry James...but you are silly at times !!) is oh so bury. |
What was the 'Exiles fiasco"? |  | | |
| Trust questions to Dunphy on 16:37 - Apr 7 with 2204 views | judd |
| Trust questions to Dunphy on 16:25 - Apr 7 by CockneyDale |
What was the 'Exiles fiasco"? |
When the exiles were lectured by the now chief exec whilst he stood on a chair, about graffiti on a wipe board or flip chart that Hilly had been using. |  |
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| Trust questions to Dunphy on 16:40 - Apr 7 with 2197 views | CockneyDale |
| Trust questions to Dunphy on 16:37 - Apr 7 by judd |
When the exiles were lectured by the now chief exec whilst he stood on a chair, about graffiti on a wipe board or flip chart that Hilly had been using. |
Ah yes - THAT! I was there. Felt like I was back at school. "F*cken 442" | | | |
| Trust questions to Dunphy on 16:45 - Apr 7 with 2181 views | TVOS1907 |
| Trust questions to Dunphy on 16:40 - Apr 7 by CockneyDale |
Ah yes - THAT! I was there. Felt like I was back at school. "F*cken 442" |
Was he there as well? | |
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| Trust questions to Dunphy on 16:46 - Apr 7 with 2175 views | 442Dale |
| Trust questions to Dunphy on 16:45 - Apr 7 by TVOS1907 |
Was he there as well? |
Exiled to the kit cupboard. |  |
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| Trust questions to Dunphy on 21:54 - Apr 7 with 2010 views | 1907 |
Something I would love to know would be the annual salaries of Colin Garlic, followed by Russ Green, James Mason & now David Bottomley.
I wonder who’s been paid the most for performing the duties of CEO? | | | |
| Trust questions to Dunphy on 08:09 - Apr 8 with 1809 views | Dalenet |
I am keen that there is much transparency as possible and that fans hear about the true financial issues facing our club. I think we can all agree on that
But we should avoid a personal witch hunt. I don't expect anybody to take a pay cut if the business is solvent. Why should they? The footballers don't. Equally I don't expect people to receive any performance bonuses, if they exist, just now. The Board is responsible for the CEOs pay and not the CEO. He is entitled to negotiate his own package but he is not entitled to change it himself. We shouldn't imply he can.
I could imagine a scenario where DB took on the CEO job at £xx pa and it was agreed that after a period of time of effective performance his package would change to £yy pa. The Board and not the fans would determine what was deemed effective performance. The shareholders can object at the AGM. [Post edited 8 Apr 2021 9:26]
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| Trust questions to Dunphy on 08:28 - Apr 8 with 1782 views | kel |
| Trust questions to Dunphy on 08:09 - Apr 8 by Dalenet |
I am keen that there is much transparency as possible and that fans hear about the true financial issues facing our club. I think we can all agree on that
But we should avoid a personal witch hunt. I don't expect anybody to take a pay cut if the business is solvent. Why should they? The footballers don't. Equally I don't expect people to receive any performance bonuses, if they exist, just now. The Board is responsible for the CEOs pay and not the CEO. He is entitled to negotiate his own package but he is not entitled to change it himself. We shouldn't imply he can.
I could imagine a scenario where DB took on the CEO job at £xx pa and it was agreed that after a period of time of effective performance his package would change to £yy pa. The Board and not the fans would determine what was deemed effective performance. The shareholders can object at the AGM. [Post edited 8 Apr 2021 9:26]
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Personally I’ve no time for Bottomley but the poster you quoted has already openly admitted on Twitter that it is a witch hunt. Kind of dilutes/deludes his arguments. |  | | |
| Trust questions to Dunphy on 08:29 - Apr 8 with 1781 views | TalkingSutty |
| Trust questions to Dunphy on 08:09 - Apr 8 by Dalenet |
I am keen that there is much transparency as possible and that fans hear about the true financial issues facing our club. I think we can all agree on that
But we should avoid a personal witch hunt. I don't expect anybody to take a pay cut if the business is solvent. Why should they? The footballers don't. Equally I don't expect people to receive any performance bonuses, if they exist, just now. The Board is responsible for the CEOs pay and not the CEO. He is entitled to negotiate his own package but he is not entitled to change it himself. We shouldn't imply he can.
I could imagine a scenario where DB took on the CEO job at £xx pa and it was agreed that after a period of time of effective performance his package would change to £yy pa. The Board and not the fans would determine what was deemed effective performance. The shareholders can object at the AGM. [Post edited 8 Apr 2021 9:26]
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Are those in the Boardroom not responsible for awarding new contracts to failing managers also? It’s not a personal witch hunt from me, I said a couple of years ago that the CEO wasn’t fit for purpose and that every decision he seemed to make was a bad one, i’ve Been very consistent with that and it started with his ‘performance’ at that stag do, at the time he was a Club Director. It’s the first time i’ve Ever had a issue with a CEO at the Club. I also said over twelve months ago that I didn’t trust anybody in the Boardroom and received pelters at the time for it but I still stick to that comment. I nailed my colours to the mast a long time ago with the CEO and he is aware that he is in the wrong job because I told him, i’ve told him a few times and he disagreed with me. There are other supporters and also the Supporters Trust who have come out publicly and even on this forum to support him, had a close working relationship with him and the board, so he does have some who see him in a good light. [Post edited 8 Apr 2021 8:33]
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| Trust questions to Dunphy on 09:35 - Apr 8 with 1646 views | Dalenet |
| Trust questions to Dunphy on 08:29 - Apr 8 by TalkingSutty |
Are those in the Boardroom not responsible for awarding new contracts to failing managers also? It’s not a personal witch hunt from me, I said a couple of years ago that the CEO wasn’t fit for purpose and that every decision he seemed to make was a bad one, i’ve Been very consistent with that and it started with his ‘performance’ at that stag do, at the time he was a Club Director. It’s the first time i’ve Ever had a issue with a CEO at the Club. I also said over twelve months ago that I didn’t trust anybody in the Boardroom and received pelters at the time for it but I still stick to that comment. I nailed my colours to the mast a long time ago with the CEO and he is aware that he is in the wrong job because I told him, i’ve told him a few times and he disagreed with me. There are other supporters and also the Supporters Trust who have come out publicly and even on this forum to support him, had a close working relationship with him and the board, so he does have some who see him in a good light. [Post edited 8 Apr 2021 8:33]
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Picking up on your first point the answer must be Yes. I said elsewhere that I expected the governance of the club to include some kind of board process for the approval of contracts/pay for key staff. That would include the Manager. The shareholders can ask whether the Board delegated the matter to the CEO alone or not, and whether that was right under the Board Governance process. The shareholders can demand the Governance process is improved if there are failings. The shareholders need to force the issue and ask the question. | | | |
| Trust questions to Dunphy on 09:45 - Apr 8 with 1631 views | nordenblue |
| Trust questions to Dunphy on 09:35 - Apr 8 by Dalenet |
Picking up on your first point the answer must be Yes. I said elsewhere that I expected the governance of the club to include some kind of board process for the approval of contracts/pay for key staff. That would include the Manager. The shareholders can ask whether the Board delegated the matter to the CEO alone or not, and whether that was right under the Board Governance process. The shareholders can demand the Governance process is improved if there are failings. The shareholders need to force the issue and ask the question. |
"If there are failings" sweet lord.....I'd be more surprised when there ISN'T a failing | | | |
| Trust questions to Dunphy on 09:49 - Apr 8 with 1628 views | D_Alien |
It would appear from recent interviews with a former Chairman that there's a process underway which many fans are anticipating that in good time, and with due process, will lead to a radical change in leadership at Dale
With that in mind, it seems odd that posts are now being made in criticism of our current leadership, by 'voices' who've been silent on this messageboard for some considerable time. That's fine - people can choose to post on here or other social media or not - but its just a bit too much like jumping on a bandwagon now there's a process underway
Anyone being paid in the administration of the club would do well, given the headwinds, to be looking for alternative employment opportunities. I'm not sure i'd include our recently acquired Club Secretary since he thought he was joining a stable outfit, but potential new leadership might have other ideas
Said potential new leadership have also called for an audit of finances. That suggests to me there's a degree of suspicion concerning remuneration which imo, is sufficient in itself without calls for people to divulge salaries. If such calls are intended to rabble-rouse fans, it really would look like a witch hunt
Let me be clear. I want David Bottomley out of our club. There's been pretty consistent pressure on this messageboard all along which imo lead directly to the debacle at the fans forum. The subsequent moves make me feel proud to be Dale. I'm not sure any further witch-hunting does |  |
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| Trust questions to Dunphy on 10:07 - Apr 8 with 1585 views | kel |
| Trust questions to Dunphy on 09:49 - Apr 8 by D_Alien |
It would appear from recent interviews with a former Chairman that there's a process underway which many fans are anticipating that in good time, and with due process, will lead to a radical change in leadership at Dale
With that in mind, it seems odd that posts are now being made in criticism of our current leadership, by 'voices' who've been silent on this messageboard for some considerable time. That's fine - people can choose to post on here or other social media or not - but its just a bit too much like jumping on a bandwagon now there's a process underway
Anyone being paid in the administration of the club would do well, given the headwinds, to be looking for alternative employment opportunities. I'm not sure i'd include our recently acquired Club Secretary since he thought he was joining a stable outfit, but potential new leadership might have other ideas
Said potential new leadership have also called for an audit of finances. That suggests to me there's a degree of suspicion concerning remuneration which imo, is sufficient in itself without calls for people to divulge salaries. If such calls are intended to rabble-rouse fans, it really would look like a witch hunt
Let me be clear. I want David Bottomley out of our club. There's been pretty consistent pressure on this messageboard all along which imo lead directly to the debacle at the fans forum. The subsequent moves make me feel proud to be Dale. I'm not sure any further witch-hunting does |
Excellent post and sums up my feelings pretty much to a tee.
I suspect, personally, that there is some ‘nest feathering’ afoot now this process you speak about is underway. I’ll certainly be watching with interest as it will take more than a few essays to pull the wool over my eyes. | | | |
| Trust questions to Dunphy on 10:30 - Apr 8 with 1544 views | 49thseason |
| Trust questions to Dunphy on 09:45 - Apr 8 by nordenblue |
"If there are failings" sweet lord.....I'd be more surprised when there ISN'T a failing |
The biggest failure since Dunphy quit has been having an invisible Chairman. A Chairman who lives 100s of miles away leaves a huge void in the day to day management and serves to simply add control to those who are prepared to grasp it.
RAFC have had active chairmen, people who were prepared to make decisions based on their observations and gut feelings because they were at the heart of the club. They hear what people are saying about the club. Turning up on matchday for a meal and a few drinks falls far short of what is required.
Boardrooms are not intended to be cozy clubs, they are the place where legally responsible people are intended to look after the best interests of a legally instituted entity. This sometimes requires feisty debate and an airing of views, not easy if there are too few people around the table and some of those are not prepared to fight for their opinions i.e. a willingness to say NO! For me, Bottomley gives the impression of a chancer who has taken advantage of a weak Chairman and board and put himself in a dominant position in the club simply by doing what none of the others were prepared to do. |  | | |
| Trust questions to Dunphy on 10:37 - Apr 8 with 1526 views | 442Dale |
This is excellent work by the Trust in keeping supporters informed of exactly what is, and isn’t happening.
With no pun intended, trust the process. | |
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| Trust questions to Dunphy on 10:53 - Apr 8 with 1479 views | 49thseason |
Sounds like the Board is circling the wagons. | | | |
| Trust questions to Dunphy on 11:09 - Apr 8 with 1447 views | Sandyman |
4th April: "The Club has responded to us and we are hoping to follow up on that early next week before publishing details on our website."
8th April: "Unfortunately, we did not receive replies to those questions put to the Club and despite a number of subsequent attempts to by ourselves to obtain answers to the questions, we have been repeatedly informed by the Club that they will be unable to answer our Members’ questions until after the next scheduled Board Meeting that is due to take place on Monday 19th April."
At least CD and Dale Trust are prepared to answer queries in an open and timely manner. The club are fudging issues with supporters yet again. More evidence as to why there needs to be a change in the boardroom.
Edit: Fans forum 10th March 2021.
DB: "Communication - Yes we could have got that better."
DB "We accept that we could have communicated better and will strive to do that better in the future"
The proof of the pudding etc... [Post edited 8 Apr 2021 11:29]
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| Trust questions to Dunphy on 11:25 - Apr 8 with 1403 views | dawlishdale |
Good work again by the Trust. Once again, communication from the club is poor. shockingly poor, given their promise at the forum, and numerous apologies. | | | |
| Trust questions to Dunphy on 12:35 - Apr 8 with 1266 views | James1980 |
On the 19th April 3 more games will have been played with a points return of between 0 and 9 based on other teams results as well. We will know if relegation really is looking nailed on or if another great escape is on the cards. Rightly or wrongly I expect the delayed response by the club is because they are waiting to see how results go. | |
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| Trust questions to Dunphy on 12:35 - Apr 8 with 1261 views | nordenblue |
| Trust questions to Dunphy on 11:09 - Apr 8 by Sandyman |
4th April: "The Club has responded to us and we are hoping to follow up on that early next week before publishing details on our website."
8th April: "Unfortunately, we did not receive replies to those questions put to the Club and despite a number of subsequent attempts to by ourselves to obtain answers to the questions, we have been repeatedly informed by the Club that they will be unable to answer our Members’ questions until after the next scheduled Board Meeting that is due to take place on Monday 19th April."
At least CD and Dale Trust are prepared to answer queries in an open and timely manner. The club are fudging issues with supporters yet again. More evidence as to why there needs to be a change in the boardroom.
Edit: Fans forum 10th March 2021.
DB: "Communication - Yes we could have got that better."
DB "We accept that we could have communicated better and will strive to do that better in the future"
The proof of the pudding etc... [Post edited 8 Apr 2021 11:29]
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They're absolutely full of shite, might give them enough time to come up with yet another load of bollox and how they will "strive to do better" again.....dont forget folks certain folk at the club are getting an overpaid salary to be this fooking inept. Good effort that man | | | |
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