| Euro 2021 Thread 18:21 - Jun 11 with 19121 views | blackdogblue |
I will start it... 😀
My money is on France to win |  |
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| Euro 2021 Thread on 22:49 - Jun 18 with 1856 views | TVOS1907 |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 22:46 - Jun 18 by EllDale |
Am I the only one who saw similarities tonight with what we saw at Spotland last season.
Ok I know the players are different class but…..
Pedestrian build-up.
Lack of urgency
Crap substitutions
Inability to get a corner past the near post |
I thought it was a re-run of Dale v Plymouth from 20th February. |  |
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| Euro 2021 Thread on 23:05 - Jun 18 with 1828 views | James1980 |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 22:46 - Jun 18 by EllDale |
Am I the only one who saw similarities tonight with what we saw at Spotland last season.
Ok I know the players are different class but…..
Pedestrian build-up.
Lack of urgency
Crap substitutions
Inability to get a corner past the near post |
Less than the sum of their parts. |  |
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| Euro 2021 Thread on 23:35 - Jun 18 with 1786 views | boromat |
We seemed balanced and structured but without any real threat. Its a real shame because we have plenty of talents to cause problems. I think we're doing our best to play it calm. We'll qualify easily using those tactics but I'm not sure once we get to the knock outs whether it'll be enough. | |
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| Euro 2021 Thread on 23:59 - Jun 18 with 1750 views | Yorkshire_Dale |
Shite watch all round really,but we have got used to that with our own lot.
The random jocks put on a better show for their fans who will be happier tonight.....they might scrape through to the knock outs now. | | | |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 00:03 - Jun 19 with 1748 views | fitzochris |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 23:35 - Jun 18 by boromat |
We seemed balanced and structured but without any real threat. Its a real shame because we have plenty of talents to cause problems. I think we're doing our best to play it calm. We'll qualify easily using those tactics but I'm not sure once we get to the knock outs whether it'll be enough. |
Qualifying easy is winning every game. We could’ve easily lost that tonight. It was too defensive. Play either Rice OR Phillips and not both. There’s a start. Ease the caution. Stop playing backwards to retain possession rather than creating opportunities. The amount of times we could’ve crossed or got a shot away, but paused, lost the opportunity and had no choice but to play backwards was frustrating.
There was just an all round lack of urgency tonight. Scotland, meanwhile, made the right team selection, had more desire, have a world-class player in the making in Gilmour, and did the necessary. I couldn’t have complained had they won, such was the gulf in comparable desire.
When you consider some of the other teams in the tournament - I’m looking at you Italy - and compare theirs with our performance tonight, we are not deserving of any kind of ‘favourite’ tag.
We have the personnel, so let’s set up to set them free. Hopefully tonight was a wake-up call for Southgate. We’ve had a domestic season of smartarse football, I don’t want to see it over the summer too. [Post edited 19 Jun 2021 0:44]
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| Euro 2021 Thread on 00:24 - Jun 19 with 1717 views | 49thseason |
Football is supposed to be an entertainment. Tippy tappy is killing the entertainment value. People watch to see attempts on goal, sprints down the wings, crosses into the box. No one goes to football matches to watch endless passes between midfielders and defenders. I want to see Kane terrorising the centre halves not pretending to be a midfield general in the Italian Army with his back to goal. As for Stirling... he is a goal hanger at best, his lack of involvement off the ball makes him a passenger for 89 minutes. |  | | |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 08:30 - Jun 19 with 1634 views | Nafelad |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 22:46 - Jun 18 by EllDale |
Am I the only one who saw similarities tonight with what we saw at Spotland last season.
Ok I know the players are different class but…..
Pedestrian build-up.
Lack of urgency
Crap substitutions
Inability to get a corner past the near post |
Exactly what I said after watching the game.
BBM as good as Southgate! |  |
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| Euro 2021 Thread on 08:53 - Jun 19 with 1602 views | BigDaveMyCock |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 00:03 - Jun 19 by fitzochris |
Qualifying easy is winning every game. We could’ve easily lost that tonight. It was too defensive. Play either Rice OR Phillips and not both. There’s a start. Ease the caution. Stop playing backwards to retain possession rather than creating opportunities. The amount of times we could’ve crossed or got a shot away, but paused, lost the opportunity and had no choice but to play backwards was frustrating.
There was just an all round lack of urgency tonight. Scotland, meanwhile, made the right team selection, had more desire, have a world-class player in the making in Gilmour, and did the necessary. I couldn’t have complained had they won, such was the gulf in comparable desire.
When you consider some of the other teams in the tournament - I’m looking at you Italy - and compare theirs with our performance tonight, we are not deserving of any kind of ‘favourite’ tag.
We have the personnel, so let’s set up to set them free. Hopefully tonight was a wake-up call for Southgate. We’ve had a domestic season of smartarse football, I don’t want to see it over the summer too. [Post edited 19 Jun 2021 0:44]
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Agreed re either Rice or Phillips. Also play Foden or Grealish more centrally. They were both isolated and wasted out wide. You can see Foden’s frustration at not being involved enough.
I also thought Shaw slowed things down too much on the left. Sterling was making the run expecting a ball only for Shaw to stop take about 15 extra touches and pass inside. [Post edited 19 Jun 2021 8:54]
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| Euro 2021 Thread on 09:05 - Jun 19 with 1575 views | fitzochris |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 08:53 - Jun 19 by BigDaveMyCock |
Agreed re either Rice or Phillips. Also play Foden or Grealish more centrally. They were both isolated and wasted out wide. You can see Foden’s frustration at not being involved enough.
I also thought Shaw slowed things down too much on the left. Sterling was making the run expecting a ball only for Shaw to stop take about 15 extra touches and pass inside. [Post edited 19 Jun 2021 8:54]
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Absolutely. It was all too cautious. And then there’s the elephant in the room - Harry Kane. Trying to be both a No.9 and a No.10 and being No.2 at both. That’s partially why I believe Foden and Sterling have struggled too.
A major rethink needed for the Czech Republic game and any future progress. | |
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| Euro 2021 Thread on 09:13 - Jun 19 with 1563 views | pioneer |
Winning the group would pit us against the runner up in the group of death wouldnt it?
Finishing second would give us a more manageable game at least on paper with a runners up from a much weaker group...probably sweden.
It looks like the only team who might want england to win is...the czechs! | | | |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 09:19 - Jun 19 with 1558 views | BigDaveMyCock |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 09:05 - Jun 19 by fitzochris |
Absolutely. It was all too cautious. And then there’s the elephant in the room - Harry Kane. Trying to be both a No.9 and a No.10 and being No.2 at both. That’s partially why I believe Foden and Sterling have struggled too.
A major rethink needed for the Czech Republic game and any future progress. |
Totally agree. I honestly believe playing Foden or Grealish as a false nine would benefit us greatly. It’s just not working with Kane, he’s not technically good enough for the role. The frustrating thing is the personnel is there. It’s all too rigid though. There’s no interchanging. Sterling strictly left, Kane strictly in the middle and Foden strictly on the right. Grealish comes on and sticks to the left and Rashford comes on and doesn’t move from a central position. All too predictable and all too easy for the Scotland defence. | |
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| Euro 2021 Thread on 09:34 - Jun 19 with 1526 views | fitzochris |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 09:19 - Jun 19 by BigDaveMyCock |
Totally agree. I honestly believe playing Foden or Grealish as a false nine would benefit us greatly. It’s just not working with Kane, he’s not technically good enough for the role. The frustrating thing is the personnel is there. It’s all too rigid though. There’s no interchanging. Sterling strictly left, Kane strictly in the middle and Foden strictly on the right. Grealish comes on and sticks to the left and Rashford comes on and doesn’t move from a central position. All too predictable and all too easy for the Scotland defence. |
It was, although I don’t necessarily blame Kane for this. He’s proven for many years now what he’s capable of. A lot of it is doubtless down to what Southgate is asking of him. As I say, a rethink is needed if we are to do any decent miles in this tournament. | |
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| Euro 2021 Thread on 11:07 - Jun 19 with 1474 views | TVOS1907 |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 08:53 - Jun 19 by BigDaveMyCock |
Agreed re either Rice or Phillips. Also play Foden or Grealish more centrally. They were both isolated and wasted out wide. You can see Foden’s frustration at not being involved enough.
I also thought Shaw slowed things down too much on the left. Sterling was making the run expecting a ball only for Shaw to stop take about 15 extra touches and pass inside. [Post edited 19 Jun 2021 8:54]
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Sterling would have only miscontrolled the ball had it got to him! | |
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| Euro 2021 Thread on 11:15 - Jun 19 with 1464 views | BigDaveMyCock |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 11:07 - Jun 19 by TVOS1907 |
Sterling would have only miscontrolled the ball had it got to him! |
Tbf he set up a superb chance for Mount, who should have done better. He’s been considerably better than Kane over the two games. | |
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| Euro 2021 Thread on 12:22 - Jun 19 with 1411 views | TVOS1907 |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 11:15 - Jun 19 by BigDaveMyCock |
Tbf he set up a superb chance for Mount, who should have done better. He’s been considerably better than Kane over the two games. |
Absolutely, but tbf, Calvin could have been...
It wasn't really comparing Sterling and Kane, though, but more that, especially in the first half, Sterling's control was terrible, especially for that level of football. | |
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| Euro 2021 Thread on 12:45 - Jun 19 with 1386 views | electricblue |
Kane dont look fit to me after last nights showing.
Lack of movement in the fnaal 1/3 of the pitch was all to evident aswell.....
A lot rides on this czech game and if England lose and Scotland manage a win will southgate get the axe..... |  |
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| Euro 2021 Thread on 13:06 - Jun 19 with 1361 views | D_Alien |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 12:45 - Jun 19 by electricblue |
Kane dont look fit to me after last nights showing.
Lack of movement in the fnaal 1/3 of the pitch was all to evident aswell.....
A lot rides on this czech game and if England lose and Scotland manage a win will southgate get the axe..... |
I'd say not so much unfit as a bit jaded
Could be a mental thing - hopefully it is, because that can be reversed with a goal. Being unsettled at his club won't have helped but he'll know more than anyone that he needs to do more
I think he's been playing deeper after being starved of service through lack of penetrative runs from players who themselves look jaded, such as Sterling and Rashford. Mount, not so much since winning the Champions League can do wonders
Kane was unlucky in the Croatia game when he had the ball nicked off his boot at the very last second with the goal at his mercy. Just needs something like that to go his way and get him going
Phillips had an anonymous game last night, but it's a typical example of the press and fans building up a player ("the Yorkshire Pirlo"). Just let the newcomers play, ffs
Same happened to Gilmour last night, being built up as the new Kante. I expect he'd rather just be the young Gilmour
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| Euro 2021 Thread on 13:14 - Jun 19 with 1336 views | DaleFan7 |
Southgate needs to sit down and take some lessons from Mancini on how to play football when you’ve got talented attacking players.
For us to have had 3 shots on target in 180 minutes with the attacking talent in our squad is unacceptable. We should be going out and saying right we’ll all out attack and out score anyone. Instead we’re defensive with no connection between attack and midfield. | | | |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 13:59 - Jun 19 with 1292 views | James1980 |
During Italia 90 didn't the senior players speak to Bobby Robson about changing the system/tactics? Perhaps our current senior players should do the same. | |
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| Euro 2021 Thread on 16:50 - Jun 19 with 1207 views | SaxonDale |
Kane dropping deep is something he’s been doing with Spurs for a long time so isn’t a new thing to this tournament- or to England, whether he should be doing that is another debate. There’s been a lot wrong with the last few England games (I include the friendlies), and I don’t think Southgate has a clue on what his best formation/team currently is. [Post edited 19 Jun 2021 19:02]
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| Euro 2021 Thread on 16:59 - Jun 19 with 1197 views | D_Alien |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 16:50 - Jun 19 by SaxonDale |
Kane dropping deep is something he’s been doing with Spurs for a long time so isn’t a new thing to this tournament- or to England, whether he should be doing that is another debate. There’s been a lot wrong with the last few England games (I include the friendlies), and I don’t think Southgate has a clue on what his best formation/team currently is. [Post edited 19 Jun 2021 19:02]
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Actually, that's a fair point about his performances with Spurs
It didn't stop him becoming the leading goalscorer in 20/21, plus it gave him a high number of assists too. It might also have taken more out of him in terms of yards covered, hence my point about being a bit jaded. Nothing to do with his technical abilities, btw
Also agree about Southgate. His utilisation of fullbacks in the two games so far demonstrates he's trying options in tournament football that should've been resolved a long time ago
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| Euro 2021 Thread on 18:43 - Jun 19 with 1145 views | nordenblue |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 00:24 - Jun 19 by 49thseason |
Football is supposed to be an entertainment. Tippy tappy is killing the entertainment value. People watch to see attempts on goal, sprints down the wings, crosses into the box. No one goes to football matches to watch endless passes between midfielders and defenders. I want to see Kane terrorising the centre halves not pretending to be a midfield general in the Italian Army with his back to goal. As for Stirling... he is a goal hanger at best, his lack of involvement off the ball makes him a passenger for 89 minutes. |
England last night just looked like Man City on a shit day, negative possession riddled football, with zero effect, the amount of times we could and should have made a forward pass and chose a sideways or backwards ball was criminal.
God only knows what Rashfords got on Southgate but how is he coming on for Kane, again he looked yards off the pace and unfit from the start.
Like bringing Foden off bonkers, Grealish if not starting should have come on at half time when it was obvious we didn't have a clue how to break them down | | | |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 19:35 - Jun 20 with 844 views | AtThePeake |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 16:59 - Jun 19 by D_Alien |
Actually, that's a fair point about his performances with Spurs
It didn't stop him becoming the leading goalscorer in 20/21, plus it gave him a high number of assists too. It might also have taken more out of him in terms of yards covered, hence my point about being a bit jaded. Nothing to do with his technical abilities, btw
Also agree about Southgate. His utilisation of fullbacks in the two games so far demonstrates he's trying options in tournament football that should've been resolved a long time ago
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And all that in a pretty poor Spurs team, might I add.
Instead of dropping into space to allow players like Son and Lucas to run behind him, he's now dropping into space where Foden and Mount are trying to operate. For me, it's time to throw Sancho in there and get him drifting into the areas that Kane leaves open when he drops deep. He's had an unbelievable season at Dortmund and Southgate's comments about 'protecting' inexperienced players are laughable when Foden is starting ahead of him. Sancho has more club games and more international games under his belt than Foden.
If he wants a striker who is going to sit on the last defender then he may as well play Calvert-Lewin because that's exactly what he does. For me though, as much as I rate Foden and Mount, you should be building your system around Kane over either of them.
I also get the impression that Southgate is so terrified of coming up against a decent side that he's prepared for it for the last 3 years (hence the amount of times we've played 2 or more holding midfielders against dreadful qualifying opponents) and now it's the only way he knows how to play. At times, Friday felt like a game in which we were preparing for bigger and better opponents to come, without realising it was a tournament fixture we actually needed to try and win (and that's without even taking into account the fact that it was against Scotland of all teams). Of course, get through and beat a decent team and the Scotland game is forgotten about but that doesn't make Friday's performance any more palatable. |  |
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| Euro 2021 Thread on 21:53 - Jun 20 with 761 views | fitzochris |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 19:35 - Jun 20 by AtThePeake |
And all that in a pretty poor Spurs team, might I add.
Instead of dropping into space to allow players like Son and Lucas to run behind him, he's now dropping into space where Foden and Mount are trying to operate. For me, it's time to throw Sancho in there and get him drifting into the areas that Kane leaves open when he drops deep. He's had an unbelievable season at Dortmund and Southgate's comments about 'protecting' inexperienced players are laughable when Foden is starting ahead of him. Sancho has more club games and more international games under his belt than Foden.
If he wants a striker who is going to sit on the last defender then he may as well play Calvert-Lewin because that's exactly what he does. For me though, as much as I rate Foden and Mount, you should be building your system around Kane over either of them.
I also get the impression that Southgate is so terrified of coming up against a decent side that he's prepared for it for the last 3 years (hence the amount of times we've played 2 or more holding midfielders against dreadful qualifying opponents) and now it's the only way he knows how to play. At times, Friday felt like a game in which we were preparing for bigger and better opponents to come, without realising it was a tournament fixture we actually needed to try and win (and that's without even taking into account the fact that it was against Scotland of all teams). Of course, get through and beat a decent team and the Scotland game is forgotten about but that doesn't make Friday's performance any more palatable. |
Yep, tactical inflexibility. One size fits all rather than the correct system and personnel to suit the opposition at hand. For some reason I got deja vu when typing that. Strange. | |
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| Euro 2021 Thread on 06:02 - Jun 21 with 629 views | DiddyDave |
When you`ve got a coach who plays the game not to lose instead of using the flair of his top players to create chances and thereby scoring goals, winning games, you know you`ve got a problem when it comes to knock out time. Time and again in European and World Cup games, teams with flair must relish playing against England cos they know there`s hardly any chance of England scoring a goal on the counter attack if they get behind. Sterling is a good player for City, same as Lingard at United, but for England they`re hopeless, they get lost in the structure. Us Rochdale supporters know only too well that tippy tappy football wins you nowt, you have to take chances to create chances sometimes, put the opposition in two minds at what they`re going to do, otherwise it`ll be holiday time. | | | |
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