| Gillingham (a) Match Thread 18:11 - Aug 4 with 30338 views | HullDale |
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| Gillingham (a) Match Thread on 19:19 - Aug 7 with 2631 views | TVOS1907 |
| Gillingham (a) Match Thread on 19:13 - Aug 7 by James1980 |
You're not like the teacher in 'another brick in the wall' are you but with a Lancashire accent as opposed to Scottish |
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| Gillingham (a) Match Thread on 19:43 - Aug 7 with 2559 views | fitzochris |
| Gillingham (a) Match Thread on 19:06 - Aug 7 by James1980 |
My thinking is if Stockdale is given another 8 games it won't be too late for a new manager to turn it around. |
Right, but one man’s limit is another man’s leniency.
Personally, I’d like to see an almost revolutionary shift in attitude, set-up and, dare I say it, results over the next few games. Only then will I revise my opinion as to where I believe this season is heading.
For others, even the next few games is one game too many. |  |
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| Gillingham (a) Match Thread on 19:51 - Aug 7 with 2507 views | D_Dale |
| Gillingham (a) Match Thread on 17:03 - Aug 7 by Yorkshire_Dale |
Referring to Great Escapes, the mass viewing public watching EFL Highlights last night were nearly treated out of seeing Gillingham score their goal against our shower. Thankfully they managed to dig it out for all to see. Some might have thought, I saw this last week as well.
PS the new presenter on ITV is far better than Colin Murray. |
Oddly enough, the two minutes shown don't put the two sides as far apart as many of the posters; and what was it about the goal that the Dale keeper was appealing?:
https://www.skysports.com/football/gillingham-vs-rochdale/468394 |  | | |
| Gillingham (a) Match Thread on 19:56 - Aug 7 with 2479 views | richfoad32 |
I think there may have been a suspicion of offside about the goal, I was almost directly in line and O'Donnell may have had a point. Terrible marking either way.
Edit: having just looked at the highlights it doesn't look obvious but there definitely seemed a case at the time. [Post edited 7 Aug 2022 20:00]
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| Gillingham (a) Match Thread on 19:58 - Aug 7 with 2449 views | fitzochris |
This is why highlights are no good for forming opinions (take note Twitter EFL ‘experts’). For anyone who watched the 90 plus minutes, they will know there were poles between the two teams (especially in the first half). | |
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| Gillingham (a) Match Thread on 20:15 - Aug 7 with 2376 views | TVOS1907 |
The two minutes shown don't paint a fair reflection of the game, as mentioned by many of the people who were there and, most crucially, the manager. | |
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| Gillingham (a) Match Thread on 20:16 - Aug 7 with 2375 views | 442Dale |
Season ticket numbers to be attached to every post going forward.
Thanks in advance. |  |
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| Gillingham (a) Match Thread on 20:24 - Aug 7 with 2337 views | kel |
| Gillingham (a) Match Thread on 20:15 - Aug 7 by TVOS1907 |
The two minutes shown don't paint a fair reflection of the game, as mentioned by many of the people who were there and, most crucially, the manager. |
The true fans? |  | | |
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| Gillingham (a) Match Thread on 21:05 - Aug 7 with 2209 views | 49thseason |
| Gillingham (a) Match Thread on 19:58 - Aug 7 by fitzochris |
This is why highlights are no good for forming opinions (take note Twitter EFL ‘experts’). For anyone who watched the 90 plus minutes, they will know there were poles between the two teams (especially in the first half). |
I watched all 94 minutes this afternoon and to be honest, although we were well short of what I would like to see, the goal was the only real difference between the teams and if they had come home with a 0-0, most would have been happy. Of course the home team huffed and puffed, they would wouldn't they? We had very little in attack, Rodney isn't a centre forward and we produced nothing of real note in their penalty area which I guess is the thing that upsets people. Seriki didn't impress and for all his experience, White was always 3 yards away from their lad Green, who was the stand-out player on the pitch, and didn't lay a boot on him until late in the game, unless of course their orders were to not support the attack and to stay in defence, which is exactly what they did in the main.
Maybe The Manager will shuffle a few cards on Tuesday and actually go balls out on the attack..... but probably not!
Lets see if they can defend a near-post cross on Tuesday, how hard can it be to put one of the taller lads in line with the post or even on the goal line next to the post and not worry about offside, it wouldn't be given anyway! |  | | |
| Gillingham (a) Match Thread on 21:28 - Aug 7 with 2116 views | fitzochris |
| Gillingham (a) Match Thread on 21:05 - Aug 7 by 49thseason |
I watched all 94 minutes this afternoon and to be honest, although we were well short of what I would like to see, the goal was the only real difference between the teams and if they had come home with a 0-0, most would have been happy. Of course the home team huffed and puffed, they would wouldn't they? We had very little in attack, Rodney isn't a centre forward and we produced nothing of real note in their penalty area which I guess is the thing that upsets people. Seriki didn't impress and for all his experience, White was always 3 yards away from their lad Green, who was the stand-out player on the pitch, and didn't lay a boot on him until late in the game, unless of course their orders were to not support the attack and to stay in defence, which is exactly what they did in the main.
Maybe The Manager will shuffle a few cards on Tuesday and actually go balls out on the attack..... but probably not!
Lets see if they can defend a near-post cross on Tuesday, how hard can it be to put one of the taller lads in line with the post or even on the goal line next to the post and not worry about offside, it wouldn't be given anyway! |
Opinions as always, and I agree with most of your individual points. White, for example, exemplifies our failure to sign a decent LWB, as Greene had him toast throughout.
But in terms of the goal being the only difference, I cannot agree. How often did we test their keeper? I think I can recall one shot from us in the whole of the second half. O’Donnell had to make several saves for us.
However that’s almost academic compared to the real issues on display. Our defence looked jittery and made errors, as did our DM. The central midfield itself was a hand in a foot race. Their lad Reeves showed how it should be done. As a result, our attack saw so little of the ball, they might have forgotten what game they were playing.
Worst of all for me, and the manager himself referenced it post match, was the lack of desire on display. That, for me, is unforgivable for any Dale player. We are a club that historically is the underdog. We survive on matching superior opposition with heart. I’m not saying Gillingham are superior opposition, although we make them look it, but we need to show that passion in every game we play. It’s a prerequisite at Dale. It wasn’t there. It needs to be though, and fast. | |
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| Gillingham (a) Match Thread on 21:41 - Aug 7 with 2036 views | dawlishdale |
Agree with Fitz on nearly every point. The lack of individual fight was so poor by all our players, and it was a comfortable win for Gillingham, who barely shifted out of first gear for most of the second half, yet still looked more likely to score.
I honestly don't know how the players can turn it round quickly... it really looks like they have just arrived back from a holiday, which speaks volumes of the Manager and coaching staffs ability to motivate and improve them.
One of the poorest starts to a season for a very long time and on a supposed "much increased" budget from last season. Really??? | | | |
| Gillingham (a) Match Thread on 21:59 - Aug 7 with 1950 views | 49thseason |
| Gillingham (a) Match Thread on 21:28 - Aug 7 by fitzochris |
Opinions as always, and I agree with most of your individual points. White, for example, exemplifies our failure to sign a decent LWB, as Greene had him toast throughout.
But in terms of the goal being the only difference, I cannot agree. How often did we test their keeper? I think I can recall one shot from us in the whole of the second half. O’Donnell had to make several saves for us.
However that’s almost academic compared to the real issues on display. Our defence looked jittery and made errors, as did our DM. The central midfield itself was a hand in a foot race. Their lad Reeves showed how it should be done. As a result, our attack saw so little of the ball, they might have forgotten what game they were playing.
Worst of all for me, and the manager himself referenced it post match, was the lack of desire on display. That, for me, is unforgivable for any Dale player. We are a club that historically is the underdog. We survive on matching superior opposition with heart. I’m not saying Gillingham are superior opposition, although we make them look it, but we need to show that passion in every game we play. It’s a prerequisite at Dale. It wasn’t there. It needs to be though, and fast. |
I think you are right about the levels of desire , will to win, especially in the first half, we didn't win too many 50/50 balls and we seemed to come up short in the few tackles we did make.
I think the players look as if they are on tenterhooks much of the time, frightened to do something that Robbie wont like perhaps?
Even Diagouraga with all his experience looked every one of his many years at times. Maybe the heat and a poor night in a hotel didn't help? And no water breaks? you would have thought Stockdale would have been keen to have one if only as a chance to rally the troops. And what's all this with little notes? It must be too complicated if he has to write it down!
I just hope its cold and wet on Tuesday night and we play 442 or 433 just for fun! Nope, just checked the forecast, sunny and warm (19 degrees)....5 at the back it is! | | | |
| Gillingham (a) Match Thread on 07:27 - Aug 8 with 1648 views | James1980 |
| Gillingham (a) Match Thread on 19:19 - Aug 7 by TVOS1907 |
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That was a silly question (one of many I know) please accept my apologies. | |
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| Gillingham (a) Match Thread on 09:30 - Aug 8 with 1486 views | BucketBstard |
| Gillingham (a) Match Thread on 17:23 - Aug 6 by Barrowdale |
We have the players. Just play 4 4 fking 2 and attack! |
Unfortunately as I said last week.
We dont have the players.
He has brought in players where we obviously need improvement , but those players are rank S""te .
The defence is P!""poor and always will be , with those 3 lemons at the back. The lad from Sheff Utd can go back today , thank you.
Our midfield general looks as though football is generally out of his capabilities.
Rodney and Sinclair are a joke , neither has ripped up any trees where ever they have been.
I'm afraid RS has signed a complete waste of players.
Out of that line up today including subs , I would say at least 10 should be nowhere near this club.
I am actually fearful of the drop this season. If we go down we wont be coming back.
I dont know what RS can do to change it now , since these shocking defenders and crap midfielder and hopeless forwards are his signings. These are players he really thinks can do a job.
I didnt go to Gills , but against Crewe I saw enough to tell me all this rubbish he signed will not be good enough.
Whether I can bother to waste my hard earned cash on boring , error riddled games, with players showing no passion or commitment to the team and fans , or throw the towel in and stop punishing myself waits to be seen.
I would be so happy to be proven wrong, believe me I would ,but the bookies may have it right this time. | | | |
| Gillingham (a) Match Thread on 09:42 - Aug 8 with 1470 views | IOMDale |
| Gillingham (a) Match Thread on 09:30 - Aug 8 by BucketBstard |
Unfortunately as I said last week.
We dont have the players.
He has brought in players where we obviously need improvement , but those players are rank S""te .
The defence is P!""poor and always will be , with those 3 lemons at the back. The lad from Sheff Utd can go back today , thank you.
Our midfield general looks as though football is generally out of his capabilities.
Rodney and Sinclair are a joke , neither has ripped up any trees where ever they have been.
I'm afraid RS has signed a complete waste of players.
Out of that line up today including subs , I would say at least 10 should be nowhere near this club.
I am actually fearful of the drop this season. If we go down we wont be coming back.
I dont know what RS can do to change it now , since these shocking defenders and crap midfielder and hopeless forwards are his signings. These are players he really thinks can do a job.
I didnt go to Gills , but against Crewe I saw enough to tell me all this rubbish he signed will not be good enough.
Whether I can bother to waste my hard earned cash on boring , error riddled games, with players showing no passion or commitment to the team and fans , or throw the towel in and stop punishing myself waits to be seen.
I would be so happy to be proven wrong, believe me I would ,but the bookies may have it right this time. |
There is one thing I finally agree with you on BB - if we do go down, I can’t see us returning anytime soon. |  |
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| Gillingham (a) Match Thread on 09:44 - Aug 8 with 1467 views | BucketBstard |
| Gillingham (a) Match Thread on 18:30 - Aug 6 by IOMDale |
These comments worry me more than owt else I’ve read. When it’s your team, you can tell yourself it’ll improve, that we just need time to gel. Opposition supporters don’t suffer from any such potential rose-tintedness and know a good/bad side when they see one.
For me, Robbie’s got Burton, Grimsby and Stevenage. If things don’t improve, Big Jim should be caretaking against Swindon. |
Big Jim ....Are you Fecking serious ?
He should of been kicked out of this club long ago.
FFS that would be the end for me and many others .
He isnt even a good footballer. | | | |
| Gillingham (a) Match Thread on 09:47 - Aug 8 with 1463 views | IOMDale |
| Gillingham (a) Match Thread on 09:44 - Aug 8 by BucketBstard |
Big Jim ....Are you Fecking serious ?
He should of been kicked out of this club long ago.
FFS that would be the end for me and many others .
He isnt even a good footballer. |
Ah yes, that famous correlation between being a great footballer and a great manager… that doesn’t exist. | |
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| Gillingham (a) Match Thread on 10:01 - Aug 8 with 1410 views | kel |
| Gillingham (a) Match Thread on 09:44 - Aug 8 by BucketBstard |
Big Jim ....Are you Fecking serious ?
He should of been kicked out of this club long ago.
FFS that would be the end for me and many others .
He isnt even a good footballer. |
Give it Big Jim then please. | | | |
| Gillingham (a) Match Thread on 10:21 - Aug 8 with 1343 views | James1980 |
| Gillingham (a) Match Thread on 19:43 - Aug 7 by fitzochris |
Right, but one man’s limit is another man’s leniency.
Personally, I’d like to see an almost revolutionary shift in attitude, set-up and, dare I say it, results over the next few games. Only then will I revise my opinion as to where I believe this season is heading.
For others, even the next few games is one game too many. |
Those you refer to in the last sentence, I am guessing, where probably not overly pleased that Stockdale was kept on at the end of last season and had we won the first to games and went onto loose the following two in a similar manner to the Crewe and Gillingham defeats would be demanding the trigger is pulled. | |
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| Gillingham (a) Match Thread on 10:29 - Aug 8 with 1316 views | BucketBstard |
He isnt even a decent coach, if he was our centre halves would be playing a lot better.
They guy is a wet lettuce and cxertainly it would be a monumental error to appoint him.
I feel it was an error to even let him stay at the club. | | | |
| Gillingham (a) Match Thread on 10:31 - Aug 8 with 1311 views | DaleiLama |
Finally got round to listening to the post-match interview.
What was an on-going concern last year, was the seeming lack of application and combativity in games, leading to dull, uninspired performances and results. The hope was that given a squad refresh and upgrade, these facets would return this season and we would at least be in games.
In some small part, we did up our game enough to stay out of a relegation spot. It was hardly a seismic shift in attitude, and I said at the time, questions should be asked by the board as to why we weren't at least able to play at that level for most of the rest of the season (regardless of any background injury situation).
After two games, we haven't even remotely been in either (even though Robbie was technically correct and we could have stolen a point against Crewe on another day). His latest note to self is perhaps he should lose his rag pre-match to get the team up for it. I don't want to kick a fella when he's down, but this sounds like the musings of a man who's run out of road. Why is a squad of well-paid players going out without the tools or belief that they can compete? I know Robbie is still learning on the job, but nothing is getting better. I'm sure no one expected a result @ Gills, but we didn't even get a performance.
I wondered about an "all-in" approach, i.e. Robbie sitting down calmly with the team and saying this is only going to end one way - me clearing my desk and under a new gaffer, a lot of you eventually joining me. They are not stupid though - surely they understand this in a sport where results matter in so many ways? Robbie only got the job because his predecessor thought they didn't matter and never looked at the table. Robbie then had an almost complete turnover of playing staff. The writing is on the wall. The trouble with this approach is it only works once and already smacks of desperation after 2 games.
If I were the Chairman now, I'd call Robbie in and say you have 2 games to prove you should be here at Christmas and I'd be looking at a plan B too, in case no reaction comes. The flip side, of course, is that as anyone who has done any kind of sport knows, if you try to do anything being too "tight" from trying too hard, it rarely comes off as well as when you are loose. There has to be both carrot and stick, but there also has to be improvements leading to results.
Gutless, spineless, toothless, clueless and pointless will see us losing our league status. |  |
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| Gillingham (a) Match Thread on 10:33 - Aug 8 with 1295 views | 442Dale |
| Gillingham (a) Match Thread on 10:29 - Aug 8 by BucketBstard |
He isnt even a decent coach, if he was our centre halves would be playing a lot better.
They guy is a wet lettuce and cxertainly it would be a monumental error to appoint him.
I feel it was an error to even let him stay at the club. |
How many coaching sessions have you seen him take?
Whenever the day comes we need a new manager, really hope he’s given a chance. | |
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| Gillingham (a) Match Thread on 10:40 - Aug 8 with 1248 views | samueloneils |
I would have thought that in this situation, what is called for is a "seniors" meeting to collect views.
With
Henderson
Diacouraga
O`Donnell
Mcnulty
Kiohane
White
Ebanks-Landell
there is a massive amount of experience to call on from all levels.
But would a manager regard this an interference or even worse- a last shot? | | | |
| Gillingham (a) Match Thread on 10:41 - Aug 8 with 1239 views | James1980 |
| Gillingham (a) Match Thread on 10:33 - Aug 8 by 442Dale |
How many coaching sessions have you seen him take?
Whenever the day comes we need a new manager, really hope he’s given a chance. |
Isn't this the person that referred to Keith Hill as 'Parkins Gimp'? Happy to be corrected. | |
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| Gillingham (a) Match Thread on 10:43 - Aug 8 with 1227 views | D_Alien |
| Gillingham (a) Match Thread on 10:31 - Aug 8 by DaleiLama |
Finally got round to listening to the post-match interview.
What was an on-going concern last year, was the seeming lack of application and combativity in games, leading to dull, uninspired performances and results. The hope was that given a squad refresh and upgrade, these facets would return this season and we would at least be in games.
In some small part, we did up our game enough to stay out of a relegation spot. It was hardly a seismic shift in attitude, and I said at the time, questions should be asked by the board as to why we weren't at least able to play at that level for most of the rest of the season (regardless of any background injury situation).
After two games, we haven't even remotely been in either (even though Robbie was technically correct and we could have stolen a point against Crewe on another day). His latest note to self is perhaps he should lose his rag pre-match to get the team up for it. I don't want to kick a fella when he's down, but this sounds like the musings of a man who's run out of road. Why is a squad of well-paid players going out without the tools or belief that they can compete? I know Robbie is still learning on the job, but nothing is getting better. I'm sure no one expected a result @ Gills, but we didn't even get a performance.
I wondered about an "all-in" approach, i.e. Robbie sitting down calmly with the team and saying this is only going to end one way - me clearing my desk and under a new gaffer, a lot of you eventually joining me. They are not stupid though - surely they understand this in a sport where results matter in so many ways? Robbie only got the job because his predecessor thought they didn't matter and never looked at the table. Robbie then had an almost complete turnover of playing staff. The writing is on the wall. The trouble with this approach is it only works once and already smacks of desperation after 2 games.
If I were the Chairman now, I'd call Robbie in and say you have 2 games to prove you should be here at Christmas and I'd be looking at a plan B too, in case no reaction comes. The flip side, of course, is that as anyone who has done any kind of sport knows, if you try to do anything being too "tight" from trying too hard, it rarely comes off as well as when you are loose. There has to be both carrot and stick, but there also has to be improvements leading to results.
Gutless, spineless, toothless, clueless and pointless will see us losing our league status. |
"Gutless, spineless, toothless, clueless and pointless..."
Okay, let us in on the secret...
...which five members of the playing/coaching squad are those your nicknames for? |  |
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