| Completely Inept McNulty 16:54 - Apr 15 with 32528 views | Barrowdale |
Hang your head in shame. Gave them the first by your insistance that we should play from the back when we aren’t anywhere near hood enough. Even worse is that you don’t see it and continue repeating the madness. The fans dont want it, clearly the players dont but hey ho.
No attack, no shots, negative back passing and a lack of a game plan. Subs too late again, shall I go on.
Only positive is at least we know that you are not our nxt manager.
What a pathetic spineless way to send us to non league. Absoluted devastated at that performance. |  | | |  |
| Completely Inept McNulty on 17:59 - Apr 19 with 4089 views | James1980 |
| Completely Inept McNulty on 17:47 - Apr 19 by SaxonDale |
I'd argue the best recruitment we've seen in recent years was under the inexperienced BBM- whether he got the most out of them is a different question. |
How much of that recruitment was assisted by Altman and co's software? |  |
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| Completely Inept McNulty on 18:04 - Apr 19 with 4041 views | SaxonDale |
| Completely Inept McNulty on 17:59 - Apr 19 by James1980 |
How much of that recruitment was assisted by Altman and co's software? |
Probably a lot of it, and I would hope we would return to a similar forward-thinking recruitment policy in the future. |  | | |
| Completely Inept McNulty on 19:02 - Apr 19 with 3889 views | 442Dale |
Thought it was McNulty’s job to lose after Mansfield, and despite reservations based on his interview after the Wimbledon game it seemed a reasonable option as the players had obviously responded results-wise.
Since then, the insistence to persist with tactics that are neither suited to the players and have actually led to opposition scoring, plus the divisive nature of further interviews when there need be no mention of the crowd, he’s managed to create unnecessary issues himself. That’s always a big worry, because they’re avoidable. Strangely, he’s managed to make the upturn in points won almost secondary.
Whether or not an outside organisation will come to the conclusion that we need to look elsewhere or that having someone who “understands the football club” will become apparent soon. |  |
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| Completely Inept McNulty on 20:17 - Apr 19 with 3748 views | blackdogblue |
| Completely Inept McNulty on 23:09 - Apr 18 by _Windydale |
I like pyromania better. |
Agree a million %…
Also
On thru the night.. (3rd vinyl lp I ever bought) much better
High & Dry… Raw & under rated.. Quality ðŸ‘
Hysteria… played on the US market, in old money…. the B side was drivel…
Still…have tickets for Bramhall Lane & looking forward to the Gig with Motley |  |
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| Completely Inept McNulty on 11:07 - Apr 21 with 3314 views | RotherhamDale |
Jim's pre match interview for Stockport... mentions the atmosphere in the stadium again. But also says he understands the frustration from supporters from years of poor performances. |  |
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| Completely Inept McNulty on 12:31 - Apr 21 with 3125 views | dingdangblue |
| Completely Inept McNulty on 11:07 - Apr 21 by RotherhamDale |
Jim's pre match interview for Stockport... mentions the atmosphere in the stadium again. But also says he understands the frustration from supporters from years of poor performances. |
Regardless of those years of frustration the inept goals we've conceded in the last 2 home games was the main reason for all the anger. Both Bradford and Tranmere were given 5 goals without having to play well at all. |  |
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| Completely Inept McNulty on 13:02 - Apr 21 with 3054 views | Hopwoodblue |
| Completely Inept McNulty on 12:31 - Apr 21 by dingdangblue |
Regardless of those years of frustration the inept goals we've conceded in the last 2 home games was the main reason for all the anger. Both Bradford and Tranmere were given 5 goals without having to play well at all. |
It sums the whole club up. Not accepting responsibility for the position we find ourselves in both on and off the pitch always looking for someone else to point the finger at.
We’ve suffered it for a few years now there’s been so much underhandedness from within the club it’s a poor show. Sadly it’s always the fans that suffer as we turn up no matter what and are powerless to change things without having millions of pounds to spare.
I wonder how many people within the club really care about our predicament ?
I’d like to bet this time next year most of them will be but a distant memory.
As always we as fans have to accept the consequences and hope for better times. [Post edited 21 Apr 2023 13:03]
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| Completely Inept McNulty on 13:54 - Apr 21 with 2922 views | judd |
| Completely Inept McNulty on 13:02 - Apr 21 by Hopwoodblue |
It sums the whole club up. Not accepting responsibility for the position we find ourselves in both on and off the pitch always looking for someone else to point the finger at.
We’ve suffered it for a few years now there’s been so much underhandedness from within the club it’s a poor show. Sadly it’s always the fans that suffer as we turn up no matter what and are powerless to change things without having millions of pounds to spare.
I wonder how many people within the club really care about our predicament ?
I’d like to bet this time next year most of them will be but a distant memory.
As always we as fans have to accept the consequences and hope for better times. [Post edited 21 Apr 2023 13:03]
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| Completely Inept McNulty on 14:45 - Apr 21 with 2829 views | Hopwoodblue |
| Completely Inept McNulty on 13:54 - Apr 21 by judd |
What underhandedness do you think we have suffered from the current regime? |
When I talk of underhandedness I meant with the last regime.
But it all seems to have melded into one long nightmare and it’s sometimes hard for me
to differentiate between the two regimes.
I think with the current one the didn’t realise what they were taking on.
I’m not talking about the takeover I’m talking about just what it takes to run RAFC. Whether they were to proud or worried to admit it I don’t know, It’s a pity they didn’t as we have people among our fan base (I’m not including myself) who have enough knowledge and passion for this club to have maybe steadied the ship ?
The club as a whole has been in decline since DB basically took over the running of the club,
from our point of view as fans nothing has changed as all do is go to watch a game of football which as a spectacle has gone from bad to worse which has ultimately cost us our place in the EFL
For what it’s worth I think we need to start again with whole sale changes within the club.
I do hope the board can sell their shares and recoup as much money as possible but we need a fresh start, a blank canvas, it’s going to a step into the unknown for us all. [Post edited 21 Apr 2023 14:46]
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| Completely Inept McNulty on 15:12 - Apr 21 with 2785 views | judd |
| Completely Inept McNulty on 14:45 - Apr 21 by Hopwoodblue |
When I talk of underhandedness I meant with the last regime.
But it all seems to have melded into one long nightmare and it’s sometimes hard for me
to differentiate between the two regimes.
I think with the current one the didn’t realise what they were taking on.
I’m not talking about the takeover I’m talking about just what it takes to run RAFC. Whether they were to proud or worried to admit it I don’t know, It’s a pity they didn’t as we have people among our fan base (I’m not including myself) who have enough knowledge and passion for this club to have maybe steadied the ship ?
The club as a whole has been in decline since DB basically took over the running of the club,
from our point of view as fans nothing has changed as all do is go to watch a game of football which as a spectacle has gone from bad to worse which has ultimately cost us our place in the EFL
For what it’s worth I think we need to start again with whole sale changes within the club.
I do hope the board can sell their shares and recoup as much money as possible but we need a fresh start, a blank canvas, it’s going to a step into the unknown for us all. [Post edited 21 Apr 2023 14:46]
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| Completely Inept McNulty on 15:13 - Apr 21 with 2783 views | EllDale |
Rightly or wrongly my stance on the interim manager has altered considerably in the last week.
I always saw him as one of the good guys; a perceptive, brighter than average footballer who always found time to engage with fans.
Now I’m beginning to see him as the last remnant of the BBM/Bottomley era.
Like BBM he doesn’t seem to want to get the best out of the players at his disposal by utilising their talents effectively but would rather try and impose an alien style of play on people illequipped to carry it out.
And as for mentioning a toxic atmosphere he can just count himself lucky.
I can think of several other clubs where the fans would have been throwing things on the pitch and mounting demonstrations by now. And the level of personal abuse directed at him would have been much much greater.
I don’t think we can have this ostrich like arrogant man in charge of our team for much longer.
In fact, I have always stated that even when Dale were relegated I would demonstrate loyalty by renewing my season ticket.
I now feel that, if we are presented with the prospect of another season of McNultyball I may well find better things to do with my time on a Saturday afternoon. [Post edited 21 Apr 2023 15:14]
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| Completely Inept McNulty on 17:28 - Apr 21 with 2599 views | 49thseason |
| Completely Inept McNulty on 14:45 - Apr 21 by Hopwoodblue |
When I talk of underhandedness I meant with the last regime.
But it all seems to have melded into one long nightmare and it’s sometimes hard for me
to differentiate between the two regimes.
I think with the current one the didn’t realise what they were taking on.
I’m not talking about the takeover I’m talking about just what it takes to run RAFC. Whether they were to proud or worried to admit it I don’t know, It’s a pity they didn’t as we have people among our fan base (I’m not including myself) who have enough knowledge and passion for this club to have maybe steadied the ship ?
The club as a whole has been in decline since DB basically took over the running of the club,
from our point of view as fans nothing has changed as all do is go to watch a game of football which as a spectacle has gone from bad to worse which has ultimately cost us our place in the EFL
For what it’s worth I think we need to start again with whole sale changes within the club.
I do hope the board can sell their shares and recoup as much money as possible but we need a fresh start, a blank canvas, it’s going to a step into the unknown for us all. [Post edited 21 Apr 2023 14:46]
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Good Post. I agree that there needs to be major reform and re-thinking. We have to drag the club into the 21st century , none of the "102 years in the EFL" will help us in our forthcoming predicament. its time to re-create a club fit for the next 20 years or so. no accepted norms, no "we have always done it this way" . We have to excite new generations of fans, we have to create excitement all around the club. People want "experiences" they want to create memories, things they can tell everyone about on Tic Tok.
Personally I would abandon much of what we think we know from our history and think about a completely new relaunch, I appreciate many are wedded to how its always been but 102 years and never a trophy isn't actually much of a template for future success.
I guess the first thing we need to know is "what do the accounts of the other clubs in the division look like"? by extrapolation we might get an idea of how much revenue we will need to generate going forward to be competitive.
Ultimately some of the ideas generated by the trusts meetings will have to be put into effect by supporters, simply to take some of the overhead away from the main Club, which inevitably will have to cut staffing. Unless of course an investor is found who is a good fit with the club. Even then there is much to be said for switching the paradigm now whilst we have this opportunity , it will be too late if we are down to 1000 fans or less and in the weeds of the National League or lower. |  | | |
| Completely Inept McNulty on 17:53 - Apr 21 with 2542 views | 442Dale |
| Completely Inept McNulty on 17:28 - Apr 21 by 49thseason |
Good Post. I agree that there needs to be major reform and re-thinking. We have to drag the club into the 21st century , none of the "102 years in the EFL" will help us in our forthcoming predicament. its time to re-create a club fit for the next 20 years or so. no accepted norms, no "we have always done it this way" . We have to excite new generations of fans, we have to create excitement all around the club. People want "experiences" they want to create memories, things they can tell everyone about on Tic Tok.
Personally I would abandon much of what we think we know from our history and think about a completely new relaunch, I appreciate many are wedded to how its always been but 102 years and never a trophy isn't actually much of a template for future success.
I guess the first thing we need to know is "what do the accounts of the other clubs in the division look like"? by extrapolation we might get an idea of how much revenue we will need to generate going forward to be competitive.
Ultimately some of the ideas generated by the trusts meetings will have to be put into effect by supporters, simply to take some of the overhead away from the main Club, which inevitably will have to cut staffing. Unless of course an investor is found who is a good fit with the club. Even then there is much to be said for switching the paradigm now whilst we have this opportunity , it will be too late if we are down to 1000 fans or less and in the weeds of the National League or lower. |
The club will have to be fully engaged and committed to taking on not only answering the important questions that come from the Trust Meetings, but also listening to the ideas.
It was noticeable how much was done in such a short period of time, we can but hope as much commitment follows in terms of action.
But we won’t be changing our unique colours… | |
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| Completely Inept McNulty on 19:24 - Apr 21 with 2437 views | 49thseason |
| Completely Inept McNulty on 17:53 - Apr 21 by 442Dale |
The club will have to be fully engaged and committed to taking on not only answering the important questions that come from the Trust Meetings, but also listening to the ideas.
It was noticeable how much was done in such a short period of time, we can but hope as much commitment follows in terms of action.
But we won’t be changing our unique colours… |
Black and white stripes it is then.... I realise I wont persuade you to go for purple and yellow stripes but how wedded are you to the current Royal blue and black? Could we go for a brighter blue (not sky blue) or a greener blue perhaps and drop the black stripe or swap it for a green or red pin stripe ? https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fitm%2F113 | | | |
| Completely Inept McNulty on 19:32 - Apr 21 with 2413 views | 442Dale |
| Completely Inept McNulty on 19:24 - Apr 21 by 49thseason |
Black and white stripes it is then.... I realise I wont persuade you to go for purple and yellow stripes but how wedded are you to the current Royal blue and black? Could we go for a brighter blue (not sky blue) or a greener blue perhaps and drop the black stripe or swap it for a green or red pin stripe ? https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fitm%2F113 |
Blue, black and white in any combination. I’m not averse to adding a fourth trim colour but it has to be done right.
The blue can be slightly lighter - see 17/18 or 08/09 as examples. | |
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| Completely Inept McNulty on 20:57 - Apr 21 with 2281 views | TVOS1907 |
| Completely Inept McNulty on 19:24 - Apr 21 by 49thseason |
Black and white stripes it is then.... I realise I wont persuade you to go for purple and yellow stripes but how wedded are you to the current Royal blue and black? Could we go for a brighter blue (not sky blue) or a greener blue perhaps and drop the black stripe or swap it for a green or red pin stripe ? https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fitm%2F113 |
What's the link, it doesn't work?
Just to reiterate again, there has never, ever been any requirement to have a blue and black striped shirt.
It has always been the case that the colour scheme is blue, black and white. There are then a multitude of things that can be done with that scheme, including lighter shades of blue, as you mention. Last season's home kit was a perfect example of that. |  |
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| Completely Inept McNulty on 11:00 - Apr 22 with 1917 views | 49thseason |
| Completely Inept McNulty on 20:57 - Apr 21 by TVOS1907 |
What's the link, it doesn't work?
Just to reiterate again, there has never, ever been any requirement to have a blue and black striped shirt.
It has always been the case that the colour scheme is blue, black and white. There are then a multitude of things that can be done with that scheme, including lighter shades of blue, as you mention. Last season's home kit was a perfect example of that. |
Try this, its Bugatti Blue , but it could go a few shades lighter, the contrast with black is greater the visibility under lights would be better.
https://www.colourlovers.com/color/3D8EBE/Bugatti_Blue | | | |
| Completely Inept McNulty on 11:04 - Apr 22 with 1914 views | TVOS1907 |
I'm not keen, to be honest. A lighter royal blue than we have now is my ideal, as in last season's kit, but not that one.
And as already said, the black doesn't need to be too intrusive to need a contrast. Look at the 16/17 kit - one black and white vertical stripe did the job.
Thing is, we have unqiue colours that we don't make the most of. That's disappointing. | |
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| Completely Inept McNulty on 11:43 - Apr 22 with 1858 views | 442Dale |
| Completely Inept McNulty on 11:04 - Apr 22 by TVOS1907 |
I'm not keen, to be honest. A lighter royal blue than we have now is my ideal, as in last season's kit, but not that one.
And as already said, the black doesn't need to be too intrusive to need a contrast. Look at the 16/17 kit - one black and white vertical stripe did the job.
Thing is, we have unqiue colours that we don't make the most of. That's disappointing. |
It amazes me* that there’s obviously far more thought and discussion put into these sort of things by supporters than there ever has been by the club. It was the same at the Trust meeting the other night.
* it doesn’t. | |
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| Completely Inept McNulty on 12:10 - Apr 22 with 1800 views | 49thseason |
| Completely Inept McNulty on 11:43 - Apr 22 by 442Dale |
It amazes me* that there’s obviously far more thought and discussion put into these sort of things by supporters than there ever has been by the club. It was the same at the Trust meeting the other night.
* it doesn’t. |
The overarching concern is that the value of the shirt is in the number that fans will buy it. It would be interesting to see shirt sales for the past few seasons to see if there has been a decline thst might be attributable to the similarity season on season. The current yellow " oil slick" 2nd strip seems to have quite a lot of admirers whereas its not easy to pick out which " home" shirt people are wearing as they are all variations on a theme. Equally the Pink ( raspberry) 2nd strip from a few seasons ago seemed to be well supported too. I guess it doesnt matter which shirt people buy as long as there is one that sells well. Perhaps the lesson is in ensuring the 2nd and 3rd kits are dramatically different. I would still prefer blue and white hooped socks though....
The point you make about fans input is important, any commercial entity that doesnt consider its customers demands 1st 2nd and 3rd will inevitably lose them. The wisdom of crowds is a massive resource to be tapped as much as possible, better to have everyone in a big tent pishing out than outside pishing in! | | | |
| Completely Inept McNulty on 12:57 - Apr 22 with 1707 views | Dalenet |
To be honest that last thing I am worried about is the colour of the kit. They can play in bright orange for me if we start to enjoy our football again. There are much bigger issues to fix such as the almost empty family stand section, the very ageing fan base, the decline in attendances, making the stadium more attractive, clean and safe. I don't want to attend Spotland with police in riot gear as we saw against Bradford, or watch the club chaplain having to retreat from Wilbutts Lane as our yoof try picking fights with Tranmere fans.
We need to see this relegation as a real wake up. As 49th says - a full reset. Keep the basics around running the club, but bring somebody in who knows how to engage with the fan base. For all his faults, Bottomley used to communicate. We get very little nowadays. Our COO is anonymous. The Chairman too. The weekly email newsletter has no news at all. We need a Team Rochdale approach to next season or the club could die. The ideas coming through this forum over the years have nearly all been ignored. We have a ticket system and so called customer system, but no marketing. We attract new "visitors" but rarely convert them into fans.
But most of all we need to start playing competitive football with a will to win. That will bring some more bums on seats. | | | |
| Completely Inept McNulty on 13:13 - Apr 22 with 1681 views | D_Alien |
| Completely Inept McNulty on 12:57 - Apr 22 by Dalenet |
To be honest that last thing I am worried about is the colour of the kit. They can play in bright orange for me if we start to enjoy our football again. There are much bigger issues to fix such as the almost empty family stand section, the very ageing fan base, the decline in attendances, making the stadium more attractive, clean and safe. I don't want to attend Spotland with police in riot gear as we saw against Bradford, or watch the club chaplain having to retreat from Wilbutts Lane as our yoof try picking fights with Tranmere fans.
We need to see this relegation as a real wake up. As 49th says - a full reset. Keep the basics around running the club, but bring somebody in who knows how to engage with the fan base. For all his faults, Bottomley used to communicate. We get very little nowadays. Our COO is anonymous. The Chairman too. The weekly email newsletter has no news at all. We need a Team Rochdale approach to next season or the club could die. The ideas coming through this forum over the years have nearly all been ignored. We have a ticket system and so called customer system, but no marketing. We attract new "visitors" but rarely convert them into fans.
But most of all we need to start playing competitive football with a will to win. That will bring some more bums on seats. |
"The weekly email newsletter has no news at all"
Indeed
It epitomises the wasted opportunities to communicate due to both a lack of willingness to do so and a failure of effort and imagination
The other Saturday, it landed in my inbox at 1pm on matchday - an 'afterthought' that shouldn't include the word 'thought"
There was so much going on at the Trust meeting on Thursday that points such as this may be been missed
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| Completely Inept McNulty on 13:33 - Apr 22 with 1653 views | TVOS1907 |
| Completely Inept McNulty on 12:57 - Apr 22 by Dalenet |
To be honest that last thing I am worried about is the colour of the kit. They can play in bright orange for me if we start to enjoy our football again. There are much bigger issues to fix such as the almost empty family stand section, the very ageing fan base, the decline in attendances, making the stadium more attractive, clean and safe. I don't want to attend Spotland with police in riot gear as we saw against Bradford, or watch the club chaplain having to retreat from Wilbutts Lane as our yoof try picking fights with Tranmere fans.
We need to see this relegation as a real wake up. As 49th says - a full reset. Keep the basics around running the club, but bring somebody in who knows how to engage with the fan base. For all his faults, Bottomley used to communicate. We get very little nowadays. Our COO is anonymous. The Chairman too. The weekly email newsletter has no news at all. We need a Team Rochdale approach to next season or the club could die. The ideas coming through this forum over the years have nearly all been ignored. We have a ticket system and so called customer system, but no marketing. We attract new "visitors" but rarely convert them into fans.
But most of all we need to start playing competitive football with a will to win. That will bring some more bums on seats. |
Completely agree and the colour of the kit is indeed well down the list of priorities, which is why many of the posts about it are rather tongue in cheek.
However, as its sales make money for the club, the kit is still a relevant point of discussion. | |
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| Completely Inept McNulty on 13:59 - Apr 22 with 1589 views | Sandyman |
| Completely Inept McNulty on 12:57 - Apr 22 by Dalenet |
To be honest that last thing I am worried about is the colour of the kit. They can play in bright orange for me if we start to enjoy our football again. There are much bigger issues to fix such as the almost empty family stand section, the very ageing fan base, the decline in attendances, making the stadium more attractive, clean and safe. I don't want to attend Spotland with police in riot gear as we saw against Bradford, or watch the club chaplain having to retreat from Wilbutts Lane as our yoof try picking fights with Tranmere fans.
We need to see this relegation as a real wake up. As 49th says - a full reset. Keep the basics around running the club, but bring somebody in who knows how to engage with the fan base. For all his faults, Bottomley used to communicate. We get very little nowadays. Our COO is anonymous. The Chairman too. The weekly email newsletter has no news at all. We need a Team Rochdale approach to next season or the club could die. The ideas coming through this forum over the years have nearly all been ignored. We have a ticket system and so called customer system, but no marketing. We attract new "visitors" but rarely convert them into fans.
But most of all we need to start playing competitive football with a will to win. That will bring some more bums on seats. |
Some excellent points in there, especially the last paragraph. The point re: e-mails in Bottomley's time. We had the egregious self-serving "Dave's Diary", a weekly look at the life and wonderment of "me". As mentioned at the last fans forum, George Delves pointed out he isn't an attention seeker, hence his quiet demeanour in stark contrast to you know who.
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| Completely Inept McNulty on 14:49 - Apr 22 with 1456 views | 49thseason |
| Completely Inept McNulty on 13:13 - Apr 22 by D_Alien |
"The weekly email newsletter has no news at all"
Indeed
It epitomises the wasted opportunities to communicate due to both a lack of willingness to do so and a failure of effort and imagination
The other Saturday, it landed in my inbox at 1pm on matchday - an 'afterthought' that shouldn't include the word 'thought"
There was so much going on at the Trust meeting on Thursday that points such as this may be been missed
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Its worse than that.. who sponsors it? An interesting newsletter going to 2000 people who open it could easily be worth £100 - £150 a week in sponsorship... its just another missed opportunity | | | |
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